What The HELL is Going on With PC GAME PORTS? | Asmongold Reacts
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Almond just hit them with the blizzard "Do you guys not have PC's?!😂"
Then banned someone for calling it out
He had some seriously L takes in this one.
That's nuts
@@djohnsveress6616 some people have a PC but prefer console gaming. Exactly like phones. Its relevant
@@djohnsveress6616 are we replying to the same comment?
I agree with asmon that pc is better then consoles but he isn’t taking into taking into account a lot of factors. He is viewing it from his point of view of knowing how to use a computer well enough to play games. Most people don’t want to deal with drivers and troubleshooting when it doesn’t work, forget mods. So the simple plug and play is a huge deal, and right now console is a lot cheaper due to gpu prices being WAY WAY to high atm. Another factor is most avg joes have a good tv but either no monitor or trash monitor and don’t want to hook the pc up to the tv. Also non pc gamers likely would rather sit on there nice couch instead of there wal mart computer chair. All in all it’s just not as simple and that’s a big selling point.
ok, but only because people are lazy and dont want to figure out shit doesnt mean the hardware and configurability isnt way superior
your personal taste is just that, your personal taste ...
@@Orbital_Dew lazy my ass kek
Home Theater PCs exist you know? And there are frontends that make the navigation easier, PC gaming doesn't have to be exclusively on a desktop, that's the point of an open platform that you can play it however you want
I play all of my games on PC from my couch and have an Xbox and PS5 controller just for my PC. My keyboard and Mouse stay on my coffee table in front of me, the whole argument of "I don't wanna play on PC cause I like to relax on my couch to play and not at a desk" is a moot argument cause you can and lots of people already play PC from their couch on a TV and with controllers
@@Orbital_Dew Oh, shut up... Just because you dont fix your car on your own doesnt mean you are lazy. People have different priorities in life, its not being lazy.
PCs ARE better, but they are SUBSTANTIALLY more expensive. I put together a rig for myself and the wife a few months back and the pair was well over 3.2k (5900x, 64 GB RAM, 4070ti and 5800x, 32GB RAM, 3060ti, both with 2TB M2s) that compares to 1.3k for a pair of PS5s, and even with all the extra horsepower in the gaming PCs for some games the PS5 STILL runs them better.
It was worth it for us to have access to more games and better performance on average, but let's not pretend PC gaming is something other than an arena for higher end gaming for weirdos with more income to burn. If you don't want to waste money for potentially little tangible gain, console is still a fine option.
You need waaaaay more upvotes for this accurate as hell comment.
You don’t have to spend nearly that much. You just purchased parts on the bleeding edge and that’s whT you get
You can get a pc that can run current gen at a tiny fraction of that price bruh, those specs are way beyond, no wonder why it was so expensive
and your PCs can do everything and not just play games- at the same time. You're probably making your dumb comments and watching asmongold from your third monitor right now.
@@scootforlifear Tell me you know nothing about system building without actually telling me you know nothing about system building. Please tell me how AM4-based parts are "bleeding edge" rather than about 18-24 months old at this point, I'll wait. Sure, you don't HAVE to spend that much, but all the parts should be relatively close to each other in performance to avoid bottlenecking. That's what they cost to do so, and that's after significant decreases in recent months. Why would I spend less to get shittier parts that are not a clear advantage over a console in terms of performance in most cases?
Asmon doesn't realize that pc architecture change all the time and when there is a major one that means you have to upgrade just about everything, is not just slap in a new video card.
Amonsgold is talking some wild shit in this one. And I'm typing this from my PC.
@The Rotten💯 I'm surprised you mentioned sitting at a desk as a negative. I would've figured most people didn't care. I actually prefer console because of that reason. I've got a bad back and I can usually only be on my PC for about an hour before I start feeling it, and there's no different chair or anything that will fix that, that's just how it is for me. So yeah, I've got an Xbox one, Ps4, and PC and I'd rather be able to recline and be on console than on PC with a broken back.
He doesnt even know what hes talking about but acts like he does.
@The Rotten💯 what's hilarious is they run better pirated than official because of denuvo. I seen a video of pirated Hogwarts legacy running 10% faster on pirate copy
@The Rotten💯 my 3080 ti has 5 video outputs, i have hooked up two monitors and my tv at the same time and i can switch between sitting at my desk to sitting on the couch while the game is running.
Now try to just use more then one display with your console ...
@The Rotten💯 who wants to be normal anyways :)
Consoles aren't on life support because of exclusives, they're a strong market because PC requires a certain amount of technical ability, and because consoles have an EXTREMELY good value proposition
Edit: To clarify, by technical ability I mean "ability to use a computer." You would be surprised the amount of zoomers that can't work a windows OS because they were raised entirely on mobiles.
Yeah I have to admit I disagree with him on that. Even as a pc gamer I think he is a bit heavily biased in a way that makes him a bit blind to how strong console gaming is. And his complaints about having to buy a new console are fairly weak, as he seems to ignore that with PC gaming you have to buy all the components needed to make a truly competent gaming rig which will always be much more expensive than a gaming console that's all set and ready to go.
100% true. You cant buy a PC worth half a shit for the same price of a console. PCs can be way better, sure, but you're also going to spend way more on one. Its hard for me to justify that when most games are designed around console limitations anyways.
Exclusivity isnt even a valid argument anymore. We have the XBOX App on PC with GamePass, and if rumors are true Sony is working on something similar for PC.
I mean I charge you out the ears. You pay extra for the games on console. You pay to play it online on the console. You pay a monthly subscription to have a select games that they choose for you to have. You don't have an internet browser. You are very limited to what performance you can use the controllers cost a lot even though it's cheaper to begin with as soon adds up
Yeah, and even with inferior specification $500 console can easily outperform 1500$ PC, cause there was never optimization for endless PC configs. Especially when making games got so expensive, even for big companies.
Falcon: *says a legit fact*
Asmon: *interrupts or pause’s the video* “that’s bullshit, you’re stupid if you think that.”
caml down peasent
@@Rabiiid yeah lately he's been having weird contrarian takes to cause drama or something
@@Rabiiid It caught me off guard. I know his preferences and I understand why, but I didn't expect him to be such a condescending dick to people who game on console. I kept wanting to tell him to shut up and keep watching the video so he knows what is going on and can give a reasonable take.
Biggest problem is people forget who they are watching. He isn’t some ultra genius doctor, he’s a guy who got rich streaming a PC MMORPG. Nothing against him, I enjoy watching him but I take his opinions with a massive grain of salt
@@DragoonWarrior790 If it isn’t obvious he’s pretty disconnected from reality. He always has bad takes on topics related to money and his living situation is unhealthy at best. 22:02 is a perfect example of him being so confident in his opinion, where he most clearly doesn’t know what he is talking about
My first pc was 1500 bucks(not including moniters). Still have it. That money is like buying 3 ps4 or two ps5 and some games. One graphics card is now about 750(depending on the version) or more. That's basically one ps5 and a few games. So unless the person is going to use the pc for more for then just gaming. Console is pretty much the better choice if you are just strictly gaming.
Well my pc lasted from the 360 era to elden ring when it needed to be updated and it was a $1000 pc back in 2010 which I got for 500 an Xbox 360 was $400 on release and Xbox one on release was $500 so even if I paid full price it would of paid for itself
My new pc was $1800 if it last the same amount of time or longer I would be happy as I'm investing in it to be able to run the next 3 generations of games
My pc was about 1200 7 years ago... and it was only that much cause I went 100 percent ssd with 2 tb of sdd space. I still play recent games on high settings. Upgraded graphics card off used market for a fraction of the price 4 years ago to a 1070 ti but sold my old graphics card for the same price.
The difference is console is a toy. An expensive toy. While PC is a tool. You can use PC for work, for studying, for lots of stuff.
As a non-first-world person I think consoles are stuff for first world countries. When I was a kid before mobile was a thing, console gaming almost didn't exist here outside of some NES knockoffs, because console is a very expensive toy with very expensive games that are harder to pirate and acquire in general.
Meanwhile everyone wants PC just for general stuff. Sure it might not run the latest and greatest AAA titles, but a PC that can run StarCraft or Heroes III or, hell, even Doom2, is already good enough, and I'm pretty sure you can run current "e-sport" stuff on a toaster or an electric kettle.
As a person that isn't living in the first world, a console would be my last choice for gaming. Exactly because it is expensive. Because PC or mobile is something you have to have anyway, and console is not.
@@infine-8222 the thing is a 1k pc can run most games at high settings, while a console can't run at the same graphic settings
My last gaming pc cost me a silly amount of money, and needed upgrades just 2 years later. Also, for whatever reason, I couldn't play older games once it was upgraded. So, no backwards compatibility, needed upgrades constantly, and my phone can do it now. Also Ps5 has some amazing stats. I just don't see the need for a pc now. At least for me. If you are streaming professionally I imagine it's more important though
Poor optimisation. It used to happen way more on consoles, but now it seems to be a PC problem. Probably due to a shift in affordability and convenience. I hate it on any platform though. If you are going to release your game across all systems, it should run properly on all of them. If not, it isn't ready. Anyone else remember when games were actually complete on release😂
nah, back then games just were broken forever. They just wasnt this obvious. An example is super mario 64, were if you crouch/ back jump enough in the right spot you can just glicth to the final star and never have to unlock the door. A newer realese but still a great era was the ps2 with DBZ Tenkaichi 3. if you broke someones gaurd in ssj1 or higher and immediatlely went back to base ( on any character) the other player/ cpu is stuck in the heavy breathing animation for the rest of the match.
Yeah, I remember having a couple of games that literally would not work on ps2. Suffering: Ties That Bind and BloodRanye 2 were straight up broken for me. Couple of other games had game ending bugs
Ahhh... I wouldnt go with "when games were actually complete back in the day". Games back in the day were also broken, you just didnt really care about or couldnt find a zillion articles about "How bad is gameX". Also games werent as complex. But yeah, sloppy programming due to management deadlines, profit margins and x-play functionality is shit. Its like moving backwards in game development standards every year.
I also remember back in the day when you do a specific glitch you might just corrupt your game and lose everything with no fixes lol
The internet and gigabit fiber into the basement has ended a world where a 1.0 needs to be perfect. Every developer wants perfect first time, but trust me, we know it’s not possible. v1.07 is my happy place for a reason.
Asmon sounds like the Monopoly guy sometimes
Bruh baldsmongold how can consoles be on life support if console sales literally dwarf pc sells and it's not even close does he not know it will always be this way because the vast majority of the population can't afford pc nor the upgrades needed for more space or games that are more difficult to run. I think at this point baldsmongold is losing more than just his hair as he's lost his common sense apparently.
pcs in general are way more useful than a console will ever be. consoles are toys for first world people while phones and pcs are tools that everyone needs or uses
@@bullettime1116 I agree it's more useful but he was talking about sales and consoles outsell gaming PCs like crazy it's not a competition
My first gaming PC was $700. I sold it to my friend, but went over there last month and played Modern Warefare 2 on it. Still ran at 60 FPS.
It's unrealistic to expect people to pay twice as much as a gaming console for a pc to play games. Even if there are cheaper options for pcs out there, most people know that a console for a fact will be able to play the games they want to play for the next x years whereas a cheap pc might not be able to play some games due to hardware limitations a lot sooner than consoles. Also, most people don't want all the extra stuff that comes from having to use a pc, they want to sit on the couch and click a button to start playing games.
aaaaannnd thats bs again,
if your pc has more computing power than your console, it will still have more computing power than that console in X years from now
the thing is, pc gamers believe a game running at 20 fps is unplayable and "doesnt run" while a console gamer just doesnt mind
@@Orbital_Dewbruh if my pc gets out spec to the point where it runs games at 20fps, while the new $500 console can run it at 60, would I buy a new $3k pc or the $500 console?
This. I used to play more on PC, bought ps4 for Bloodborne, never looked back (now ps5). I just buy console and donzo, I dont care about new graphic cards etc, it will work.
@@Jonizerr0r 3k? that will last u 3 console generations. so 500 x 3 plus subscription fees for those years.
@@Jonizerr0r because the new 3k$ doesnt give you the 4k60 your 500$ ps gives you. it gives you 4k120 with raytraycing and max settings while you ps5 only reaches 60 in performance mode which lowers your settings to probably mid.
And there are countless other features your pc gives you besides gaming, multiple displays for example.
I'm using my pc as my entertainmant system daily and i'm not gaming daily.
I wish that the boss or owners of Starforgesystems gift me one of their pc so that I don’t be called “dumb or have a small brain or live in a house made out of rocks like in Flinstones” 0:23
Yeah that was really an L take by asmon. Forget ps5, lots of us are still playing on our ps4's which we got for $300-$400 or even less in some cases. The prices are in different worlds.
I would assume the best version of a game is the platform the game was designed for. Not always the case. You can also probably tell which platform the game was intended for just by its UI and control scheme.
For $1100 you can play some of games... Consoles are 500 dollars dude, Run games perfectly and have s s d.. You're f****** re re
dont think t consoles are the problem like some Devs are saying "X game is out on PS5 " but not on Xbox why?Cause we got a problem with the Series S while at the same tiem the same game has a release date on PC with min system req lower than the Series S@@TomFoolery1991
@@TomFoolery1991 you need language classes
@@bullettime1116 voice to text dawg, but you ain't wrong😅
@TomFoolery1991 you are right about what you said but pcs are more general use, while consoles are solely bought to play games.
The reason why we get shitty PC ports is because the port is not always handled by the same development team. Sometimes the port is handed off to a completely different company.
I remember I was that person who refused to play with a controller, couldn't understand the point of a console, and used the same PC to the limit of its abilities for years. What changed? I don't know, from lack of space at home, lack of money to buy a very good PC able to run new AAA games, and enjoying playing on consoles. I understand all the arguments on this one. One thing is certain, PC ports should get better.
for a casual gamer like me who basically bought 1 or 2 game a Year, console is way more justifiable than a gaming pc. plus on all the game i play most where exclusive like monster hunter world ( before it came to pc ), gravity rush, dragon's crown, persona ( before the pc port too), horizon zero dawn, wipeout, you got my point. the only reason to get a gaming pc would be to play mmo, rts game and modded game. plus people forget that console can double as media player to read 4k dvd, etc. in my living room i still use my xbox360 as a dvd player.
but proprietary console store can be brutal too, especially nintendo that still sell 6 years old game at 60-70 euro.
My elbows and wrists would kill me if I played keyboard and mouse all day, gotta stick to my controller
I'm the opposite, I played consoles(Atari through PS4)for years, and just got annoyed by their build quality, heating issues, among others things. Went back to PCs in 2017 and never looked back. Sucks that some games are getting bad PC ports, but I guess I've been lucky, as I've not played too many of those games with the issues.
I play on PC, but I don't use keyboard and mouse at all times.
I use what I feel better with.
Sometimes I use K&M others I use controller.
For console games, I use the Switch.
Better thing ever since sliced bread.
The portability makes it so much more valuable than other consoles.
Still, I find online play behind a paywall to be complete bullshit.
It was the reason why I left Xbox and went PC.
in my personal experience, i feel more relaxed playing on a couch than in a gaming chair.
Another point to consoles though (even as a PC gamer) is that it is much more expensive to try to get a gaming rig up to snuff compared to buying an all ready to go console. I'd love for my friends to join me in pc gaming, but trying to convince them to spend a ton of money to get a competent PC gaming rig just isn't gonna happen when a Series S is only 299 bucks. That and certain exclusives.
my pc was 600 plus 200 for a gpu and i have yet to find a game that i couldnt play
@@weegmon try any game with rtx at 60 frames, good luck
As a console gamer I've always felt the graphical improvement never justified the price
@@weegmon yeah if all you play is roblox
You can build console level pcs for less money currently. Using used parts of course, but still doable. You can also buy new parts that compete with it for like 700ish.
The argument of the marginal cost between a gaming desktop vs a normal one works if you already are gonna get a normal one, but that just isn't the case. Reality is most people have a laptop if they even have a computer besides just a phone. And maybe you could have gotten a gaming laptop instead but I don't think that's a significant upgrade to a console. And more importantly it makes your everyday laptop way bulkier, require active ventilation, less battery life, etc.
Well, it all depends on what you want. Ultimately if you want access to certain PC games then you need a PC, if you want to run on certain graphics settings then that will determine what specs you might need and will help determine budget, etc. It just depends on what you want, just like anything else in life. If you want to spend $800 on a budget desktop that's a mini build meant for let's say living-room use on a TV then that's up to the individual. The biggest issue is most ppl don't know much about PCs and a lot of people want the most convenient thing and often times for gaming that is a console. Keyboards and such are pretty cheap unless you just want to buy more expensive options. There are so many variables that apply here, I will say this, my advice to anyone would be before buying or building a PC just make sure to do your due diligence so you don't lose money on something you don't need potentially.
this days everyone got a PC but most got an average one or below that the ones liek me who got last gen cards are rare and for the ones who own current gen are 1 in a million
The king of pausing, making a statement and then being proved wrong right after pressing play again
And refusing to admit he was wrong as he doubles down as he bans people.
This coming from someone that's been binge-watching a lot of Asmonds content recently, but a lot of it has been his older clips. I agree with him and disagree with him on things, and at least in the past he seemed to accept subjectivity to some gray area situations, but lately it feels like he's starting to have really black or white perspectives where he's always the one that's right. Someone else in the comments said it well that it seems like he's trying to stir arguments with bad takes, and I can't figure out why the hell he's doing that.
I really dont think most people have a computer & monitor, that's pretty much just a twitch gaming space bubble take. The vast majority of the casual players I know play on console or mobile and thats also majority of the market. Those people usual have a shitty laptop or a tablet for other stuff you would do on a PC
We literally had a pandemic that made people buy PC's for work and school. ~80% of people in US have at least one PC, be it a tower or a laptop.
It should be higher now, the last time the sources I checked updated was in 2019.
Yeah most people I knew that had a desktop setup back in the day don’t anymore. Either do work on a tablet or a Lenovo laptop/Chromebook/MacBook. I haven’t seen a desktop set up in a home environment(excluding myself) since the early 2010’s.
@@Pumciusz that's true but as I said most people have latops / tablets, so getting a GPU upgrade is just not an option
@@ramaron The figure I sent counts only to laptops and desktops, but you're right with laptops. Altho you can hook up an egpu:P
@@ramaron GPU upgrades are easy on a lot of laptops.
As someone who's always enjoyed the simplicity of consoles, and has always had to listen to people like asmon slam consoles constantly, it was so nice to watch this video, by the end his argument devolved into just saying he thinks consoles suck and wish they'd die out 😂😂 I don't mind consoles or pcs but I wish people would just enjoy what they enjoy and stay in their lane without having to throw rocks at the other side
Exactly
@@rsmith8113 especially to play games
@@rsmith8113 It's because the console makers intentionally lose money on console sales. That money is made up in monthly subscriptions for online services and 1st party sales. It really does depend on your own situation and I think looking down on one over the other is stupid but I do think you'll end up paying more money as a console gamer over time than as a PC gamer
He has a gaming pc company lol. No shit he wants competition to die
@@stevenseagull3867 he should build a 600 dollar pc and then try and run any game made in the last 5 years on 60 fps
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any software development project miss deadline 80% of the time. It is probably one of the most difficult things to predict and plan out in terms of when its done. Execs will go to devs and ask them how long, they will try to estimate as best they can and 80% of the time they get it wrong. Then you have marketing and other teams dependent on the progress, budget gets stretched and marketing starts ahead of time etc its really much more than what is said in this video, at the end no one has unlimited funds and developing out of budget is a running expense, think about it, if you build a house and the builders come to you and tell you sorry this will take a month longer to build here is the bill...
I think the point asmongold is missing with console exclusive games is something dunky made in one of his vids that consoles are made and sold at a loss to sell more games and accessories in competition with each other so no consoles would mean alot of titles made by xbox or Sony themselves, wouldn't exist if it wasn't for that incentive to get people in their gaming market and with the cost of all three consoles being less than a high end gaming pc the only ones suffering from the game exclusivity are the same ones who wouldn't be able to afford a pc able to play ALL games anyway, not to mention people who don't much understand hardware buying an expensive off the shelf pc and finding that their system isn't compatible with the games they want to play
THIS^ I hate it when people compare a $700 console to a $1500 PC. That PC is a 4-8 year investment while the console will need additional expenses over the same period (online access everyone), quite possibly a next gen replacement too.
@@bogdanpaunescu9861 WoW still $15 a month?
@@snowwann273 Bro you just compared buying a ps3, ps4, and ps5 (all at full retail price +every accessory you can think of) to buying 1 $1500 PC? What about the Keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers? First off the PS3 came out in 2006. So if you are still running a PC from that era. GOOD FUCKING LUCK! Same goes for the PS4, released in 2013. Your $1500 PC from 2006 needs to get replaced buddy! I just replaced my $1700 7 year old PC which was about the life of the ps4. Going any longer than was not gonna fly. No chance I could have lasted until a ps6, the tech by then will be insane.
@@bogdanpaunescu9861 It's like £350 & only like £50-£80 if you have a decent ps4/ps4 pro to trade in for a ps5 & a lot of games don't needed the online subscription. If your not smashing your controller about they last for 2-4 years and it comes with one so for 4-8 years it's £400 for a PlayStation. Also not including headsets since both need a headset. I have both but PC is just much more expensive for "most casual people" for it only being a small improvement over console. PC is £1500 guessing that's not including spare wires, a keyboard & mouse, a monitor
@@snowwann273 you have somehow missed the points I was making so let me reiterate for you, my points were that first if consoles didn't exist then many of the games made by the companies to sell consoles and all the extras you mentioned wouldn't exist because they were made to sell the console and get people buying extras so no consoles means some games just wouldn't exist at all, second for the same price as a pc that can play ALL current gen games at exactly the same level of quality you can buy all three consoles so if consoles didn't exist the ones with the money would just buy a pc that can do that which would cost about as much as three consoles so the only ones missing out would be those who don't have that kind of money which is the same group of who get hurt by exclusives now so the removal of consoles wouldn't help with exclusive games it would just bring into focus the underlying issue with money as someone with the aforementioned cash can have all three or indeed four if you count a gaming pc and lastly I pointed out that while anyone no matter how tec savvy can buy a console and know exactly what games it can play the same person could sink a grand into an off the shelf pc only to find it can't play one of the games they want, and final thought you are adding up three generations of consoles to get to that figure but thats over 16 years, a pc you bought for 1.5 k 16 years ago wouldn't even have a solid state drive let alone the new graphics cards and ram to play new games and if your talking upgrades now that's even more spent and now your over 2.1k to be INSANELY generous which as I have said still makes exclusive games exist it just means instead of having to get a ps4 for bloodborne or whatever you have to get new hardware for your pc that will cost the same price and even then many exclusives just won't exist as they were there only to sell the consoles in the first place
the crazy thing about the shader issue is that it all could be done on first launch to prevent any shader issues while playing... but for whatever reason everyone has decided that title/load screens are the devil and must be cast out so we're stuck having to try and compile shaders in real time while playing the game which drastically exacerbates the issue. This could easily be solved by giving the player a choice; start compiling the shaders in a load screen, but allow the user to skip if they want to get into the game quicker.
Asynchronous shader compilation is also an useful solution
If a game shows an intro movie of the developers, publishers, engine, gpu, cpu, video middleware, physics middleware, gui middleware, other middleware, there's some time to compile shaders, then it loads into the menu, and then while waiting for input, it compiles as much shaders as it can.
yeah alot of issues are solved if you just uninstall your previous drivers and update to the new one that came out SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT GAME because gpu companies pick up the slack for the game devs when it comes to shaders these days. But, some games are just genuinely optimized poorly for pcs like Wild Hearts and Fifa
In the PS3 the Cell CPU was special, but the GPU part was basically just a GeForce 7000 chip, so not that different to PC in many ways. Similar the XBox 360 with the Radeon GPU.
The console that was actually the most similar to PCs would still be the original XBox, which was just a Pentium 3 and a GeForce 3 variant put into a box.
Also for developers whether something is X86 or MIPS, PowerPC or ARM barely matters at all nowadays. You program them with the same higher languages and assembler is rarely ever used. The most impactful difference right now between PCs and consoles is unified memory vs split memory pools.
i was about to say this the ps3 and 360 were closer to a PC than they say, you could even install Linux on a PS3 before the firmware was patched. The US Air Force in 2010 built a super computer by clustering together 1,760 PS3s with Linux on them and at the time it was the 33rd most powerful computer in the world and was only 1/10 the Cost. They were even using it for Radar Enhancement and Satellite Image Rendering.
Holy shit Asmongold is out of touch with the price of a PC and how often you have to replace it.
You probably have to do an entire rebuild of a PC every 8 years. Incremental upgrading makes it a lot easier. After 5 years you can buy a new GPU if yours is beginning to lag behind etc.
I spent maybe $1000 on my last PC and it lasted 8-9 years. Could run every game I threw at it but had to play modern games on low/medium towards the end.
@@SirProdigle 99% of people don't know how to do "incremental upgrading".
@@aeggeska1 For most parts you would upgrade it's about as hard as swapping the hard drive in a console. It's one of the major benefits
I agree with Asmongold that consoles are way better than pc.
Having been a gamer for a loong time, PC games always had issues. From driver issues, performance issues, having to tweak settings, crashes, etc. Of course there are exceptions to the rules...
it seems you are the problem. Since Windows 7 those days of driver issues are long gone. Like 15+ years long gone.
Yeah. You could have top of the line machine but it just isn't working in yours. Spend hours trouble shooting, then it turns how. It's just doesn't like to run on you AMD hardware for whatever reason so you just can't play it. And then because it's on PC, most major game developers will just say to kick rocks.
Asmon is showing his age thinking everyone has a PC at their house
@@snowwann273 Nah. Was true maybe 5 years ago, not anymore. For most people a phone or tablet will do 90% of their daily tech tasks easily, maybe having to get out a bluetooth keyboard or something for the other 10%. There's very little need for the average person to buy a PC or laptop for their home anymore
@@snowwann273 well we are specifically talking PCs, a lot of people do not have PCs, majority of people now have laptops or hand held ipad style laptops. itd be willing to bet you could survey a 50 home neighborhood and couldn’t find 12 PCs in total
@@snowwann273 yes but we all know when someone says “PC” they are referring to a desktop pc lets not be disingenuous just to have an opinion
best feature of the console is just install the game and it runs. Not having to fuss about with configs just to make sure it runs decently on your hardware.
"You don't have to buy a new one every like 4 or 5 years based of some arbitrary time period that's set by some multibillion dollar company" - This could be describing either consoles or graphics cards, it's so interchangeable that it makes any "Console VS PC, PC VS Console" arguments obsolete. Regardless of what system we use, we're all suckers spending money on new hardware just to be able to play the latest games.
The ps4 and xbox one are both 10 years old and still get games so... Not saying your wrong but like that only applies to PC and Nintendo for now.
Seriously how many ds versions did they make? I stopped buying them after my nephew had this one that didn't fold super weird.
@@OD91MJ Most PC gamers do not spend a lot to upgrade their PCs. Only a minority of enthusiasts do that.
@@droe2570 meh, if you really want to min max, console is better
Got my PS4 in January 2015, lasted me until March of 2022 when I got PS5. Last time I bought a gaming pc was end of 2016, not planning on seriously upgrading PC for a very long time. I bought my gaming PC for something like 1500, valuation of 2000, which costs MORE than my PS3, PS4 and PS5 combined. I got my money's worth out of both sets, but damn, the value proposition of PC is not high enough.
@@SycosenMerihem You're comparing apples to oranges. A PC is not a gaming system, it is a PC. Consoles are gaming systems.
Most normal people don't have a pc that is less than 10 years old in their house. Phones, tablets, and laptops are now the norm
People with desk based jobs that work from home are quite common and I'm pretty sure they count as 'normal' people
@@Bstrdmn They use laptops more than PC towers. Trust me. I work in people's homes for a living
Wouldn't it be great if we all had gaming PC's and they were as affordable as consoles with equivalent longevity as consoles with little or no upkeep or knowledge of how to optimize them. I've been wanting to build a gaming PC for years but every time I go to build one I get intimidated that I'll make a bad decision and it will be basically obsolete in a couple years. Also I don't understand how to troubleshoot issues that may arise and I don't have to even think about that on console either the game works or it doesn't. I know this is a personal problem but I'm just not computer literate because I've waited too long to learn how to operate the systems involved. I understand everything I need to know is available to learn online but I still get nervous especially when I could use that $900+ to keep my car running or pay insurance or rent if something comes up and I lose my job. I guess part of my issue is there are too many options when it comes to hardware compatibility and not knowing the key differences between them. I always tell myself "This time when I save up a good cushion of expendable funds I'll build one." but then something comes up that is more important to spend those savings on and requires immediate attention. I'm extremely frugal but minimum wage in California still makes this difficult. I need to improve my work value so I can earn a decent wage and save more. This sucks because I always work really hard and take pride in what I do no matter what it is but I just don't have experience in high paying fields as a primarily physical laborer with no college education.
Let me tell you a little secret about PC gaming in the last 5-ish years. The games we talk about are not the games Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony are talking about. We get these horrible ports, and they make us sad. But you know what? Hades will play on a bargain basement dirt cheap PC, and I love that game. In the last 5 years the games which actually pushed my system that I've honestly loved? Barely any. Indies which I could play on a 200 dollar system I could buy at Walmart that I loved? Lots. It's a completely different ecosystem. You could spend the next 5 years playing all the beloved indies that never came to console over the last 10 years, and I guarantee your actual overall enjoyment of your time spent gaming would go up, not down. And none of those games have a 60-70 dollar box price. They have a 5-20 dollar Steam price. Sometimes 2-3 dollar Steam price during season sales. Go play Hotline Miami, maybe catch a game of TF2 since it's still up and somehow always relevant with thousands of people playing it, CSGO if you wanna be destroyed, chill out with Firewatch, cry at To The Moon, go through the mind bending Stanley Parable, learn all about true bureaucratic depression with Papers Please, go have fun with a classic platformer like Hollow Knight, be brought to rage with Doki Doki Literature Club, or if you truly want to learn how to hate your fellow man and have a masochistic streak... go play League of Legends.... All of those and more can be played on a very cheap PC.
@@halycon404 I've heard about or seen gameplay for most of those games but I'm really into the large AAA games for the most part. Don't get me wrong I love something like Subnautica or Vampire Survivors but I usually play things like Red Dead, the old Assassins Creed, Bioshock and Cyberpunk 2077. I get your point though I can play a ton of things with a cheap pre-built PC instead of a purely dedicated gaming rig. It's more of a nervous feeling about errors and crashes than just the cost. I do want one so I can expand my gaming library.
@@GreatWhiteNinja21 Sounds like you and I are in a similar situation. I'm not really nervous about PC building. I just don't feel like it's worth all the trouble. I have a $700 laptop that I have some games for, but my PS4 is more than enough the vast majority of the time. I was thinking about trying to push more into PC gaming at one point, but I changed my mind when I found out the PS5 is backwards compatible with PS4 games. Best of luck surviving in California.
I feel the same as you, and not everyone has space for a PC. I only have a laptop I use for work and I find it totally unnecessary to get a Gaming PC because 1) Cost, 2) space, 3) I prefer to play on the big TV, 4) dis-associate myself from work. I know that I can hook my laptop to my TV but it's such a hassle to to do that everyday. All these hassles can be solved by simply getting a console, I don't need much computer knowledge to put it together and I know that my PS5 will last me for a long time. My PS3 is still playable despite being 11 years old. It also helps that I am a final fantasy fan so I have to get the PS anyway. XD
You are making it look like building a modern PC requires a degree in engineering or something. You can build Lego, you can build a PC. If you've survived to this day without getting yourself killed in a dumb way then learning the basics of PC building and light troubleshooting shouldn't be far beyond your reach.
When a console breaks, you even have less of a chance of fixing it because the companies made them that way.
Still gaming on a old PC and no problems with graphics. At least 4 years on the newest parts installed. Around $800 in it through the years, it started as a kit from TigerDirect awhile back.)
Only upgrades:
Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core 3.60 GHz (this and MSI mother board are the newest upgrade, which was when the 3600 was released)
Installed RAM: 16.0 GB
Video Card: GTX 1070 (Bought this the year it released, 2016 maybe 2017)
SSD: San Disk 500gb
No liquid cooling, no after market CPU cooler, all stock parts, rarely shut it down, and still using the original mechanical drive the kit had with it for storage, it and the case are the oldest parts. I did add a SSD with the processor change. I think a PC last a good while, as long as you don't let the advertising hype on upgrades pull you in. Heck I rarely clean it, other then a leaf blower one or two times a month.
The man hates consoles and owns a gaming pc company. Coincidence?
PC is just better.
Nah PC gamers were always like that.
used to work in a software company, the devs said that they only recommend using integrated graphics, because it eliminates different graphics card. every generation of cpu uses the same Igpu architecture, while in gpu there are about 8-10 variations, like look at Nvidia 1000 series: gtx 1030, 1050, 1050 Ti, 1060 3gb, 1060 6gb, 1070, 1080, 1080 Ti, 1650, 1650 Super, 1660, 1660 SUPER, 1660 Ti. That's 13 times the devs have to create a software variation from scratch (13 times, it's not as simple as just replacing code, you have to start from scratch). And Nvidia releases new graphics card every 18-24 months. but it takes about 3-5 years to complete software.
But imagine just integrated graphics. Intel HD 630, this iGPU applies to intel 8th gen, and 9th gen. 1 igpu which most hospitals dont really upgrade unless it's like 3-8 years later.
Similar situation as consoles, it's easier to hit deadlines.
"That's 13 times the devs have to create a software variation from scratch"
you sure about that ?
i thought the gpu drivers are compiling the variations
A 4090 costs $1600 MSRP but often retails for $2,000+. Yet Asmongold thinks PC gaming will get cheaper over time and match the price of a $500 console. Only a millionaire streamer would say something like that.
no, probably not, even if you account for the 30-40% price increase of the games on console,
but if the console and the pc lasts you 10 years
you had 10 years of a great gaming experience on pc
while you had 10 years of a mediocre to a bad gaming experience on console
but if that is your preference so be it
you could also buy a gpu for 300 bugs and have the same experience as on console
@@Orbital_Dew Not in the US.
@@goldengrill769 I agree that it's only a matter of time before bitcoin miners come to scoop up GPUs again. That's why I quickly bought my 4090 at MSRP $1600.
@@Orbital_Dew Half of your 5 years on PC are spent debugging games that are poorly optimized console ports. Consoles last about 5 years before the next version is released. Many PC gamers upgrade their GPUs or CPUs in 3 years. The only real advantages to PC gaming are pirating games (i.e. stealing) and cheating with hacks.
There are a lot of variables in this entire situation. I think most people forget that just because you have technology with you at all times (such as a cellphone) that everyone knows anything about technology in general. Many people don't even know as much about PC's. The biggest take in this conversation would be the fact that convenience is still the biggest thing in society. It's overlooked. Why learn when you get something that is complete all the time and does something specific that you need? Doesn't matter who is better. Eventually they'll be the same, however, right now currently all games should be balanced for each piece of hardware equally, and be complete. Especially if most are becoming cross-platform now.
Totally agree. I have a PC and PS4, but 95% of my gaming takes place on my PS4. I've tried to get into PC gaming more, but it turns out the $700 laptop I got wasn't as good as I thought it would be. It still allows me to play some simpler games that will never come to console. For most of my gaming needs, my PS4 works just fine. Most of what I do that can't be done on a console can be done on my smartphone, and for what little I do on PC, Windows has still managed to tick me off from time to time.
Some people have compared this to auto enthusiasts, and I think it's a good comparison (speaking as one). Some will want to buy a basic reliable car and modify the heck out of it to get great performance, and some will just go buy a Mustang or Corvette and call it good. Both have their pros and cons. It's up to the individual to decide what they value more. I do wish the gaming community got along better like car people do. I've never had the amount of arrogant and condescending remarks in the car community like I get from PC elitists.
y cause we all pay the same cash for the same game tho not same quality look at TLOU 1 on PS4/5 and then on PC same game different quality
I've been a PC master race my whole life and i still am, but i'm gonna use ur own ''way of life'' theory on this one. It's called min-maxing! I tried ps4 last year and I've been so happy about it. It was cheap af, game comes out, i buy it and play it! Mind boggling i know! With PC gaming i have to see if the game will even run, if it runs i have to set settings and waste time optimizing to get the game to run smoothly, i have to fear that every new game that comes out may be too much for my PC. In order to buy a PC that can run all new games I can buy 2 ps5 for the price and even then i wont be 100% sure that PC will last longer than console. Also to buy new PC i need to spend hours of research on wtf kind of build do i even buy? Sure PC is better but console is sure as hell easier and far more simple.. i can even plug in my keyboard and mouse to play some fps games on ps4!
Exactly my point too. It's just a peace of mind I am buying. Already tired from work, I do not want to spend time worrying about if the games will run and learn about PC parts which I am rubbish at. I just want to pop in my game and play. That's all I ask for. I don't need sharp af graphics (tho my PS5 does that now) and I don't need to mod my games.
not everyone wants to deal with a PC and what comes with it... some just wants to plug it into the TV and play a game. I also prefer PC because i buy the parts myself and assemble them and whatnot but i also know people who doesn't want to bother with that, with windows, they don't have a spare desk to put the pc and monitor onto it or don't have that much space around the TV but have a spare box on the counter for the console. that simple, dunno why is it hard to get this PoV.
The pc heads want to be right and don’t want to let go of the “superiority complex” even though most people on console probably play just like you described. Could give two shits about all the specs and all that, game plugs in, plays, that’s it
if kids can easily learn how to play games in computer then its quite easy to plug and play just like in consoles (they can even use it for their school projects). you do know you can use the TV as the monitor right? mouse and keyboard are also cheaper than controllers. games are also cheaper due to sales as time pass through (especially in 3rd world countries) and you can carry your bought games into a newly upgraded PC and you wont be worried if its compatible or not like in consoles. you also dont have to build PC in order to play in PC. you can let other people/company build it for you for a service. the reason why consoles are quite cheap, its a loss they are willing to do since their main profit is games which is why games are expensive and dont have a sale. PC better for a long run gamers while consoles are better if you only buy few games (like 5 below). oh did i forget to mention you can also play old console games in PC? which is better for longevity of the old games.
just stating points to counter your argument.
@@killertruth186 which is why there is a botique system builders for those kinds of people....
@@killertruth186 those companies wouldn't exist if there are no customers who are looking for them.... nxt time pls learn the basic things /common sense before trying to make an argument.
@@killertruth186 its a waste of time talking to you. ill rather be waiting for @t0m_4's comment which would hopefully makes more sense than you do.
Despite what this person is claiming, in my opinion, PC gaming is not a great experience. As someone who plays games on a PC, I can attest that almost every first-person shooter game we have is plagued with cheaters, and we frequently encounter issues with driver updates and more.
The thing is, with the unfinished games, the problem is that it isn't labelled as early access.
One annoying thing that's been happening lately is: to counter bad optimization on release (and maybe work on it later), a lot of games are requiring 32 gb of ram. That happened with Hogwarts Legacy and a lot of new games that have memory leak, and then a week later, they somewhat patch it, maybe with even more time they fix it. I wish every port could be as optimized as Death Stranding.
Start waiting 3-6 months before you play anything, much better experience and cheaper.
What is the problem? Imagine not having 32GB of ram in 2023 lmao
@@gwky the problem is that its laziness on the side of the developer, stop sucking off corporations bro they don't care about you
@@schnapps2241 I don't care about them either, torrent the game, and be a game enjoyer, but you complain, yet keep buying their broken games. Sounds like you keep doing the same thing while expecting different results, I think there's a word for that.
@gwky the steam hardware average 50% is 16gb of ram.
I JUST now got into PC gaming. I will say that I despise messing with settings or using mods to fix games before I can actually play them lol.
you "can" play them without all of that ..
you choose to do that ...
now try that on console, oh wait, they dont even have that option
@@Orbital_Dew what? i do not understand ur point here pIease expIain
@@Orbital_Dew Bro what??
@@Aloverofthefinerartz messing with settings and modding is an "option" a pc gives you that a console doesnt. you dont have to do any of this.
@@Orbital_Dew you misunderstood chase, He is saying that he has to do these things in order for the game to even be playable. On console it will usually work the moment you install it.
Dark Souls II worked immediately in my old gaming laptop..
>"It's not corporate greed"
> every point comes back to cheapness and time, both of which are money.
Also, games are more expensive on console and online play must be paid so the use itself for buying games and playing online is more expensive over time (hidden costs). You are also limited in what the console can do (I hate controllers for fps). On PC you can just buy an HDMI-cable and game on your TV with XBox or Playstation or Gamecubecontrollers (GC with an Adapter) which all work for almost every PC game (e.g. Eldenring, Dark Souls 3). I also played games on PC couch-Koop which is only limited by exclusives being exclusives.
A lot more games on Xbox nowadays have keyboard and mouse support so you are no longer forced to use a controller
People also like playing games on giant 100 inch TV screens and setting up a computer to split screen from monitor to the TV can be a hassle. I do have my computers set up for two monitors and a very large TV on the side in my room but I am betting a lot of people don't want to go through that setup if was something like a family living room.
Plus if you want to play on the living room TV, you need to have your PC set up close by. My computer is at my desk. My living room is somewhere else. And if your apartment/house is small, you may not be able to comfortably fit those two together anyway. Or fit a PC setup at all - you may just have a laptop.
@@snowwann273 If they want to setup their desktop close to their tv, fair enough, pretty much rudimentary plug and play. In my case I am using a computer KVM switch for three NAS computers holding 36 hard drives sitting on a heavy duty desk that can hold 300 pounds, another microATX gaming computer, two monitors, two keyboards, two mouse, 4 separate speaker systems, PS5, TV splitter, hdmi to hdmi and optical, remote keyboard, 4 30ft Ethernet cables for 5.5Gbit direct connection. My computer setup dwarfs my 100inch tv You want to use your desktop computer as a desktop computer primarily and not a console substitute for a large TV, unless you are fine having a computer dedicated to the TV. I also have a barebones ACEPC connected to a smaller TV in another room and I only use another remote keyboard to interface
Exactly bro, with a console you just basically buy it, plug it and play
I live in Norway, and nearly no one I know has a PC at their home. Maybe a few people I know have laptops, but other than that, they mostly do everything on phones, have super minimalistic living spaces and don't really own... things. Like, so many I know don't even have hobbies. It's just work, keep the house clean and that's it. It's honestly pretty weird.
Yeah it weird there are some people who literally do nothing. It's pretty wild
Not So Fast
Norway
Sweden
Finland
That's what they taught me in school to remember the viking countrys
I've read japan is similar where they work 90% of the week or theyre shamed into oblivion. The guards at the asylum are also the inmates, its societal conditioning that makes people accept it and fight tooth and nail against anyone who steps outside the normality of that with insults and shaming. Life should aways be balanced
Sounds very depressing. What are you guys doing in your free time?
Sounds like prison. Except without the weight lifting.
the argument of "you can do a lot more than gaming on PC" is just a hard copium PC gamer tell themselves (including me), I work as a back end developer, my job pays well so I can afford a very nice PC, you know what I use my PC for, other than gaming? stream movies or TV shows/ anime, watch CZcams, and porn, and maybe a lil bit of coding sometimes. All of which can be done on a $300 Laptop. don't lie to yourself do you really need a $1500 PC for your "productivity"? or you just built an expensive PC just for gaming? unless you are a video editor/3D artist working from home there's no justifiable way you can say that you spend $1500 on a PC for "more than just Gaming".
honestly If I don't think mouse and keyboard is the superior way of playing video games 100% I would go for $500 PS5 and $300 laptop set up which cost a lot less than half of what I paid for my PC.
it looks like they slowed down falcon's voice for some reason
The money was always in consoles. They have the numbers. I love gameranx
I think in these recent cases of multi platform rushed releases it is fine to have temporary exclusives for certain platforms, because you can focus on finishing one version of the game and later porting it to other systems. If that can stop rushed ports I'd gladly have that over the current 3 versions of games with issues.
That's what's happening w/ FF16. Sure, SE took the check from Sony (and the development help from them too) but they also said they would need >6 months to port it to PC anyway, likely because of issues described in the video.
@@EdwardPaulet This isn't even true though, FFVII Remake released on PC a year later and then on Steam a year after that and it STILL has terrible performance issues. I'd love if FFXVI is as great as all the hype is leading up to, but I have no faith in Square Enix's ability to port it right. Only hope is that YoshiP steps it up with his experience in other PC games since XIV is fine.
y but no look at TLOU on PC Returnal on PC and y ok TLOU was rushed but Returnal wasn't and still flooped and has some issues loo kat Survivor wasn't rushed but had a ton of issues on PC
As much as I love and operate PCs myself, one has to factor that the majority of the population just want to play games and _not meddle_ with the hardware and operating system and drivers and mods and endless arcane configuration files. Consoles essentially lets people avoid most of that complexity.
13:37 In modern days it's not the way he described at all, the shaders on PC will also be written the same all the time, the developer doesn't have to write extra shaders. Of course there are exceptions to this, like a shader that uses features exclusive to some AMD or Nvidia GPUs for some extra performance or visuals, but this boils down to check if the GPU supports X feature and then compile special shader, otherwise compile the default one. Morever, today there's also gonna be an intermidiate compilation to the SPIR-V/DXIL so the driver compilation is much faster.
When the shaders are being compiled, or how they are done are a design decision. You can absolutely compile shaders when either game is loading or when a new level is loading - this doesn't have to happen during gameplay - this has the side effect of longer loading times, but I bet everyone would prefer that over the hiccups during gameplay. If someone expieriences the stutters, it's most likely because of driver-side compilation - modern hardware can recompile the shader again to optimise it after gathering runtime information. It should go away after couple of minutes, and thanks to it the game should work smoother because the compiled shader is cached. Of course if you change the hardware, or update the drivers, then full recompilation has to happen.
Let’s talk about how Asmon thinks making 2 million a year is middle class
Asmongold when children and normal people dont want to spend 6000 dollars on a pc that will be outdated in an year to play world of warcraft
You don't have to upgrade your PC every year dammit
@@speed3414 fine every 2 years
@@astronova6150 dude I saw people play Marvel's Spider-Man with at decent framerate with an Radeon RX 580 GPU
That card is from 2017 and is just slightly more powerful than a GTX 1050 TI
@@speed3414 that is a very nicely optimised game unfortunately most other games are not. (I know)
@@astronova6150 yea it sucks when it happens, good PC ports still come out from time to time and there still many games that doesn't require the "greatest and latest" hardware
Fair video but one factor is missing. Me as a Pc port player i cant see a reason to go further than 1080p screen is one reason and also if you got knowledge of some overclocking then even and i7 and a msi 1080. havent upgraded since then and i still can play most high end games at high and ultra at 60fps limit
Buying games on PC is like dumbest thing anyone can do. I'm amazed people are still doing that lol.
I think there is space for both PC and consoles to exist. I play a lot of PC games but some games I just want to experience comfortably sitting on a couch with a big screen. I prefer to play most of the games like that unless they are competetive mouse and keyboard games (Dota 2, CSGO, Valorant etc.). Also consoles give the option for couch co-op. Then there is the fact that PCs are expensive. I bought a pre built for 1k euros and I already run into issues with newer games not running smoothly with higher graphics settings. I like both but I don’t think PC is necessarily the superior option always.
"but some games I just want to experience comfortably sitting on a couch with a big screen"
and you just cant do that with a pc, right ....
"and I already run into issues with newer games not running smoothly with higher graphics settings"
because your 500 bugs console does that ? ...
@@Orbital_Dew I don’t believe every console is guaranteed to have 500 bugs in them. In my experience I buy a game on console and it works, unless there is something wrong with the game itself.
@@lukapitkanen3333 sorry, with bugs i meant $ :)
what i ment is that a console doesnt run smoothly at max settings, thats why they just now intoduced performance mode for most games, it lowers the settings to run smooth
Console out sell pc lmao
@@snowwann273 good points. I have never really thought of using my pc as a console replacement in my living room, but I wouldn’t really bother with that anyway right now just because how expensive a good PC is and I’m not looking to move around my desktop PC either everytime I want to use it in a different room. Also I use playstation to play blu ray/4k blu ray movies so there’s that function too, so a ps5 is good value for money to me. But I see your point and with a right set up PC for couch gaming could work.
I used to have a PC years ago, was starting to get expensive trying to upgrade to play games. In the end I swapped to consoles which is cheaper, takes less space and easy to move. I use a cheap laptop and tablet for my non PC needs like uni work. Would love to have a PC to game with mods and stuff, but I just can't justify the money and research needed. Also most people I know use laptops rather than full blown pcs these days
You could build some mid or mid low end PC if the games you want to mod doesn't require something like 32 GB of RAM and a RTX 2070 or 4080
Maybe start with a GTX 1050 or an RX 580 PC, there are still lots of game you could play with that hardware and for AAA stuff yea you can go for consoles
what research? If you know even the minimum about tech you can easily know how, when and to what to upgrade.
@@whuzzzup I got my own pc about 2003ish, maybe earlier. It wasnt a gaming PC from the start, it was used for college work and I think I was able to play games like the sims. I then started getting interested in PC gaming and basically as time went on the PC wasn't keeping up with the requirements for the games I wanted to play. After a couple of upgrades from the local computer shop, I decided to keep the PC for college/uni work and invest in a console instead for gaming.
@@9553shadow this is exactly the point. You need to research these things to know what bits to get that suit your needs. Even basic tech knowledge requires you to have learned about it from research lol
@@speed3414 thanks for the tips. I suspect I'll have to save quite a while if I ever get back into seriously wanting a PC again! Not just for the PC but a decent desk and a decent chair lol
granted my 1080ti was around 700USD when I bought it, I was able to use it for 7~ years, and it didn't do just gaming. It lasted so long, I used it to record videos, ran multiple things at the same time, even earned money from it by mining. PS4 - PS5 was also around 7 years, but consoles were much more limited with what they could do, like 30 fps cap on most games, limited capabilities to record/stream games, limited video editing functionalities, and just straight up incapable of running certain modern games (as I was at least able to run cyberpunk at release, when it was straight up unplayable on PS4). Did I mention that certain parts are still usable to this day? like SSDs and 6+TB hard drives that is actually able to store large modern games?
Anyone spot the rogue Commodore Amiga? What a machine 😍
I haven't seen anyone else say this but I think it's worth mentioning. Consoles are really easy to trade in for a new console (atleast in Australia). I think the last time I bought a full priced console was when ps4 was released, and with game, console and accessory trade in I was out of pocket $50 for a ps5 🤷🏻♀️
yeah must be only australia because old consoles only net you like 50-80$ in the states for trade ins cash or instore value
@Brown S oh wow! I don't remember too much of the specifics of the trade in, but it was a pretty big box of stuff I brought to the store
I love how mad Asmon and all his followers get when they are confronted with evidence that pc is not master race anymore.
And clowns in comments trying to justify the price of their PC because they can't do math.
@David Kirby Witcher 3 is 2015. I would hope you could run it at $750.
How about AAA games from this year? To run them well without issue you'll definitely need to upgrade and I can guarantee it will cost you far more than a console. At least try to make a convincing argument or don't even bother.
PC was never master race.
Being able to get 4k 60 out of $500 machine is far from restrictive and quite viable
In my mind its always like if you get it for pc you’re a nerd, you didn’t have a lot of friends growing up, and you probably could use a few lessons in personal hygiene
As someone that custom builds their own pc's and makes them a powerhouse I still prefer gaming on consoles for most games (except ones like Elder Scrolls where modding is the focus). I mostly use my pc for rendering and design stuff while I like the simplicity and ease of use consoles offer for gaming compared to shader caching crap and all sorts of compatibility issues pc games usually have. There are plenty of pc exclusive games that never come to console and still have compatibility issues, getting rid of console won't fix it. Also I like the console ecosystem where I can turn crossplay off and have no cheaters/hacks in my lobbies.
Arguably PC exclusive titles have been the worst lmao. Escape from tarkov? Planetside 2? Valheim? Idk if you would include Ark because it's technically multiplat now but it was exclusive for a year. They all run like garbage. People also just accept that 4x games and strategy games with heavy CPU cycles will run like shit lmao.
@@exmerion Yeah even if we cut out the literal scam grab and run steam early access junk a lot of mainline pc 'exclusive' games can be still a total wreck even with full dev support and zero plans to port to console. I'm not convinced any of this is the fault of console games or gamers who enjoy easy plug n' play consoles. PC and all the variable parts are just so vast its impossible to optimize as reasonably.
I doubt Asmongold wants to live in a world where the only PC's available soon become prebuilt boxes. Not all of us use a pc just for gaming so per-configured builds by companies would essentially be the consoles he hates so much.
@@snowwann273 i mean, it's proven time & time again that most competitive pc games has a hacking problem (mostly prevalent in shooters), hell, asmon has reacted to those videos exposing it, so
Consoles are now 4K. Question, does the average pc user have 4k? No. discussion over.
The Xbox 360 let you write CD’s with their tracks on the hard drive so you could listen to music when you wanted, VERY good feature
A while ago I was at a friend's house who has a PS5 and man... i'm so used to high frequency monitors that i can't play consoles anymore with those 60 frames or less... just CAN'T.. it makes me sick..
Asmon not understanding the upside to the end user with console gaming is wild. The upside is EASE OF USE. You turn on the game, it works. It's simple. I'm a PC gamer, but it's foolish to pretend at this point that our medium is better when it's simply not
and price, he sounds so priviledged
@@astronova6150 it’s funny how he always talks about how he grew up poor but now he can’t understand why people might go with something cheap. I have an Xbox and PC my PC was $1600 my Xbox $300 and they both run everything I play at 120
I mean, he doesn’t really have any real world experience, given his only two jobs before hand were seasonal entry-level jobs
@@redeyes3847 he sounds incredibly out of touch I hope it's just a bit
@@astronova6150 probably is his genuine opinion but played up for the stream, he says he puts on a persona so who knows
Although when people criticize him for his takes he has a mental breakdown and climbs in his treehouse to film a video about it lol, he makes good content but man he is weird sometimes
sorry, but its 2023 and not 2006 anymore
pc has become plug and play
Yeah games still have weird fixes that make no sense on PC. If I want play Dark Souls on PC with a controller (I can't keyboard and mouse it no matter how hard I try) I need to play the game on Big Picture mode after I had basically registered the remote for lack of a better term. I have no idea what Big Picture mode does or why running Dark Souls through it is the only way to not have my buttons scrambled even after trying mods that were supposed to fix the issue, but it works.
I remember being given every batman game on steam as an apology for how bad the Arkham Knight port was.
I think the reason consoles arent going away is because of the average consumer/gamer. Simple UI and straight to the point. I dont think young kids, older people, and just your average gamer have an easy time getting into pc gaming. Not saying they cant use a pc, but when you think about the things you have to download or problems you have to fix, I dont think they are willing to get over the learning curve or they just dont understand the issue or problems with it. Consoles are just easy.
"but when you think about the things you have to download or problems you have to fix"
NO, these are "OPTIONS" you "CAN" do and "CANT" on console .... fuk me i'm going crazy reading these comments
@@Orbital_Dew I don't understand what you're trying to say. You mean fixing issues with a program is an option?
@@Traewulong yes,
tell me which game on pc just didnt run from the get go and you needed to do shit to fix it and make it run, please
@@Orbital_Dew well first they would need to figure out what platform to download to play (insert game) and if they cant get it to run then they have to troubleshoot. I have had plenty of games that sometimes dont start because there is something I dont have enabled or turned off. Not saying you need to fix a game, just saying it could happen. I think the margin of error on console is lower because the platform is strictly for gaming.
@@Orbital_Dew If you took a non-pc gamer and said "To play games first you need to download steam", their immediate response would be, "ok, where is that?" I think that learning curve of, figuring out how to play games and what to search for scares people. So they stay on console. Why find a new way to play games when this console does the same exact thing.
I play on xbox SX and have been playing hogwarts legacy, scrolling youtube seeing all the glitches and low frames on PC makes me giggle
Pretty much all glitches, stuttering, and framerate issues have been patched now.
My 4090 crushes it. Over 120 fps at 4K max settings.
It always makes me giggles when console player playing games with low fps. It alomst feels like they're playing a powerpoint presentation.
halo 2 for vista worked flawlessly for me on vista, win7, and 10. I havnt tried it for 11 yet. The only reason why people state the pc's are too expensive to game is because they only look at the top specs or just at prebuilts since theyd rather not build it themselves. Currently its hard to build a pc with the same specs as a current console for around the same price because to get the same graphical performance it would cost just as much as a console. But you can still get near the same performance and price if you were to wait for sales and not buy top end hardware.
Im still salty that bloodborne and demon souls isnt on PC and if they were to come to PC sony would put it on their own service instead of the major game distributors but if buying it on their own service would also gave me a digital license for it on all their consoles then it would be an ok deal.
People don’t want to wait. People don’t want to build a pc. People don’t want to scavenge. People want to play games. Consoles do that and better than a 500 dollar pc ever could.
There's a shit ton of reason to prefer consol over Pc, without exclusives
But o know u don't care, so be it
I bought my series S for $300... i built a PC 5 years ago for $800 and has only negligible better specs; it has NVMe storage, yay. PCs are more expensive but are better; consoles are more accessible. And Microsoft has done well with sharing licenses with console/PC.
$1300 for a pc to run Cyberpunk at 60fps. $500 on console and they look identical
I will say it multiple times but besides the usual appeals which are enumerated for consoles (cheaper, easier, lasts usually longer - bro I am still playing with my PS2 vanilla and PS3), the biggest and most important appeal for me is the fact that we still can buy most games physically.
There are of courses some games which are not running without some updates but this is quite the minority and most day one updates are not necessarily needed to be able to dive into the game.
Also, with respect to the physical VS digital debate, gaming on PC means that you depend on the policy of the company or external reasons (your account can be banned / hacked, the platform no longer being supported in the future, basically there is a whole DRM issue which you cannot avoid unless you have games on GOG).
I think not many people are discussing the cons with the digital gaming since it’s still quite new to the gaming community (digital is the way to go since around 2010 only ?).
As console gamers, we have noticed that the digital copy of the game can be at any moment be erased from your account if the console company wants it and the same can occur on PC (recently and keeping in mind that digital gaming is a regular thing since 2010, we have already noticed over the span of 12 years that Sony wanted to stop the digital store for PS3 and this has already happened for Wii / WiiU and 3DS.
Although users can still download the games, I’m afraid this is only the first step towards final measures which will prevent users to have any access to their games. Are we 100% sure that Steam is not gonna do this in the future ? We certainly don’t know but I trust myself more than a gaming company so yeah, consoles allow me to still have the physical copies of most of my games and the only thing I would need in 30 years is the console and the game ‘-‘ )
It's funny because there were times were physical copies on console weren't going to work, like that time Xbox wanted to manage sharing your games, or the PS4 cbomb issue that were not going to let you play your physical discs (ik it was fixed but the fact it's possible matter), there is also discs that are just a key to download the game like Halo Infinite, games with DRM like Gran Turismo 7, indie developers that can't afford to distribute their games physically
At least PC has the ability to sail the high seas, even with some Steam games it's easy to bypass the client requirement, screw denuvo tho
I still have a pc from the 2000 that I sometimes use to play games from that era. So I wouldn't say that consoles last longer
This is the ENTIRE reason I was not willing to spend 70 dollars on Wild Hearts. Loved the game, but when I played the trial it simply did not perform well enough on my PC. With a recent gen processor, and GTX3070, and plenty of RAM. It's pathetic.
A big part of the sales discrepancy between console and PC is that PC, while having a larger install base than consoles, is primarily made up of the gaming upper class and lower class. You get customers that have super crazy rigs that can do amazing shit, and they want to be catered to with extremely high quality games but can't really hold up their market alone, and you also have the kids who play on their moms' work computers or college geeks that won't get jobs who and can only play things like Minecraft, Fortnite, and LoL. Consoles are that middle class market space that can have pretty wide and repeated interaction with box price games
I think the main reason for unfinished games at release is pre-release sales. If you’ve sold a promise to millions of people, they have become your investors and expect a finished product on a specific date. So game companies are rushing games in the final stages and not finishing the final tweaks that the games requires. Regular game updates has also changed the way companies are developing games, knowing that the the people who buy the game in the first 3 months are basically running the final beta test for them. Games have also grown a significant amount with the amount of mechanics that the games have. It’s difficult to account for every single minor encounter that each player is going to experience, so some things are missed.
Whenever I pre-purchase a game, I view its release date as the start of its open beta. And that makes me appreciate games that actually go into open betas a lot more, because at least they're a tad more honest.
Don't know if it has been mentioned, but consoles are also good for people with accessibility issues. My husband has mobility issues, and don't get me wrong, he loves his PC games but as his issues became worse, keyboard and mouse causes him too much pain and he can't maintain playing for as long as he can with controllers. He prefers PC games that have controller support but without consoles being a thing in the first place he probably wouldn't have that option, and it's not always an option depending on the game.
I'm all for controller support as well, but it's asinine to act like there'd never be controllers without consoles. As if a universe that only had PCs would _only_ be keyboard/mouse and that's it lol. You're right that the option ultimately depends on the game itself. However, *accessibility is better on PC* ! It has options for controller types that aren't even available to console. There are games where rebinding buttons is only possible on PC. Even games that weren't initially developed for controllers can have support added through mods. There's nothing unique consoles bring - other than the _limitations_ they bring.
@@snowwann273 Playing the guilt card because I was trying to present a use case that wasn't brought up in a video? My dude, if you feel guilt for what I said, that's not on me, that's all you. My original comment was to bring up a use case that might not have been considered. Some people like seeing things from other people's point of view and having their horizons expanded, and I guess some people just want to nit pick.
I also did mention "He prefers PC games that have controller support". It is ENTIRELY his preferred choice to use his PC when he can with his controller, it's just sometimes not an option. Maybe read the whole comment before you bring up points that I had already covered? He CAN use a PC, just not for everything. Sometimes the PC option with controller support doesn't play as well as the game designed for console does. Sometimes it does and it's AMAZING. It's something we weigh up every time he finds a game he thinks he might like. Demos are really good for this. If he can play for a bit and work out if he's going to be able to play it without pain then we can work out if it's worth spending money on a game or not, sometimes we just have to roll the dice and hope. Don't assume someone hasn't "researched options" or "thought openly" just because that's our working solution for the time being. Don't assume that we don't continue to try and find better solutions to his issues. I think you're the one being close minded and assuming other people don't try and trouble shoot, problem solve and solution find. Like I said, it's a use case that MIGHT not have been thought of.
I only play on pc when the game isnt out on ps5. Nothing beats couch gaming on a 75inch tv. I also need my pc to work on so it has to be at my desk and i dont want input delay.
PCs are definitely better in more ways that I can spout off:
-Longevity
-Modding (that isn’t restricted by devs)
•including modders fixing games themselves, like Skyrim and Cyberpunk
-ALL of the graphic settings
-Pirating
-Customizability
-Non-restrictive (even more so if you use Linux)
-Better accuracy with a mouse
-Better usability with mouse and keyboard (Xbox is starting to use this)
-Playing a game AND doing anything else at the same time, aka, multitasking
The list goes on and on. PC is better and will always be better. Consoles are restrictive PCs that will eventually either die out or have replaceable modules like the Intel NUC PC.
As a computer engineer, having built my own (albeit simplistic) games, and being a computer programmer I'm pretty sure the original person's video was off the mark on quite a few things about the hardware explanations. Them all sharing the x86 architecture is a big deal. It means that one coding language can be used on all the platforms since they share the same architecture to be compiled into. The biggest deal is likely the fact that game devs don't often optimize the code well to use the GPU vs the CPU well which to be fair they did mention. Could be from time constraints or from the fact they spend most time optimizing for consoles first.
That's basically wat he said.....
Do you have a law degree bro?
@@droe2570 Well I just meant, most of the other differences don't matter. Only the GPU vs CPU aspect really matters. The "architecture" being different between console and PC doesn't really matter for making games now that everything is x86. That's my only point.
PC is expensive as fuck, you can buy a ps5 a TV and a couple games for the price of a graphics card let alone a whole system. PC will always be better, just not for your wallet.
If a good pc was affordable, I would care about this. Paying 400 bucks five years ago for an xbox that still can run all new games is a no brainer. For pc's it seems like every next game that gets released requires a better pc than the previous to even get the same performance and graphics. Of course this is no issue to big streamers who have multiple massive pc's and anything they want at their fingertips. Not saying they aren't allowed to have those luxuries, but they can't be so completely out of touch trying to act all high and mighty proclaiming only their opinion to be right because that's what they know.
I don’t know a single person who owns a gaming PC. Console gaming is so much bigger than PC gamers realise
I bought my PC back in 2015, cost me a pretty penny to be sure but other than a additional hard drive and some added fans I haven’t had any modifications to it. And it still can run Elden Ring and most PC games i find (though not with all the graphics cranked lol)
dont even try, most comments are based in complete ignorance and bias
@@Orbital_Dew i get you man, all i can do is speak to my experiences, if people think my opinion is irrelevant doesn’t really matter to me 😂
This is why I love the PC community. They spend so much time fine-tuning and troubleshooting that they don't actually have time to really enjoy their games, "yes , I've optimized my frame rates! Oh, there's a new patch, game, graphics card, and windows just deleted stuff that I was using... I love it when Bill Gates reinstalls candy crush on my Gaming rig..."
True 😂
Can’t say I’ve ever had that issue mate lol, but I can definitely see some pc guys reacting that way. I’ve seen some pc ppl tune for no apparent reason.
skill issue
@Snow Wann some of my coworkers do this... and yes, it's funny.
@@snowwann273 I think this is a fantastic way to put it, spot on.
21:30 Tons of clueless chatters talking out their asses: "NO NO NO! YOU'RE WRONG! YOU HAVE TO BUY A NEW $2,000 GAMING PC EVERY FEW YEARS AND CONSOLES ARE CHEAPER AND LAST LONGER"
I built my current PC for ~$600 in 2017, and am still able to play new games on High settings at 60+ FPS @ 1080p and will continue to do so until I switch back to a desk setup and buy a nice monitor, as opposed to gaming from my couch as I do now.
Ryzen 1600
GTX 1060 6GB
16GB DDR4
256gb NVMe SSD
1TB HDD
Consoles are in a great place right now price/performance-wise, but you should probably educate yourselves a little before acting like you're an authority on the matter. Or maybe just stop trying to distort the truth to make yourself feel better for not bothering to learn how to build a PC? Idk, whatever it is, stop it.
You don't need to spend that much to build a PC, but if you do, it's going to last you more than a few years. I'm 6 years into my ~$600 PC and still going strong (at 1080p).
6:46 I think that's a character from Adventure Time
I gotta tell ya. I don't like having to assemble an expensive 3D puzzle to be able to game. I had to have my friend build my PC because I just cannot be bothered to know how to do that. I literally just want to plug in my Xbox, and boom. It's already good to go.
And that's an argument that Asmon uses all the time, so I don't understand why he doesn't get it. The man literally doesn't put butter on his potatoes because it's too much effort.
Well ok. Building a PC is too much effort and I didn't want to. That should be enough said for him.
You can buy PCs pre-built..... Most people who own PCs buy pre-built ones.
@@droe2570 I could buy a decent prebuilt for $1,500, or I could buy a console for less than $500 and it already suits my needs and is prebuilt by the very nature of the product.
The point is moot anyway because like I said, I had my friend pick out parts and build my PC for me.
The other issues I have are:
1.) All my friends are on console anyway
2.) I have a bad back, so sitting at a desk for more than an hour is painful
3.) I can't stand PC elitism despite owning one myself
There are games that are exclusive to PC just as there are games that are exclusive to console. That's how I justify owning both. I'll only buy a game I want on PC if it's the only platform it's available on. Anything that goes to console I'll just buy on Xbox or Playstation. It's just more convenient that way.
@@GumbleGob Point 1 is only relevant if you play games with your friends most or all of the time.
Point 2 is irrelevant because you can use a PC from a couch and play it on your large widescreen.
Point 3 is irrelevant because a handful of "PC elitists" online have no relevance to your use of a PC.
And yes, PCs cost more because PCs are not gaming consoles, they are multimedia systems that can perform many different functions, types of work, productivity, creativity, and yes, gaming. If you treat a PC as just a gaming platform, then you do not understand what a PC is.
@@droe2570 you can't invalidate my preferences because they are just that. MY preferences. Who are you trying to convince here? I'm not saying you shouldn't have a PC. Me not liking PC's does not affect your enjoyment of them. Touch grass and don't @ me, Jesus Christ.
@@GumbleGob
I simply pointed out that your reasoning is false. It seems to me you are taking this personally, which is just silly. If you don't want to play on a PC, that's fine, I don't care. But the justifications you proffered for said preferences are false.
If you had simply said: "I don't like playing on a PC," that's fine, that's your emotional response to something. But you did not say that, you tried to make an argument to justify your emotion. As I pointed out, your justifications are false.
All they want is cash fast and don't care about the performance on the pc just the performance of there banks
Why would they care PC makes them so little money.
@@ZOMBIEo07 can't be very unprofitable if steam is biggest game store front so it can't be to bad
@@jaytee1991 Of course it is profitable, but the market share of PC gaming compared to the market share of gaming overall is laughably small.
Falcon sounds surprisingly less drunk than usual.
A bigger, more powerful Steam Deck without a screen but with a controller would be a kino console experience, and since the Steam Deck is one config of hardware Valve has you download shaders for that game it solves a lot of performance issues.
I think the biggest pro for consoles is that you just buy a console play any new game then just buy the next console when it comes out. It is cheaper to just upgrade parts of a pc but I think a lot of people just don’t have the time to do that.
$600-$700 every 7-8 years is way cheaper than $1k every 3 and that's being modest we both know a good graphic cards can go for $1,000 easy by itself.