Why The United Kingdom Has No Bullet Trains - Slower Than A Speeding Bullet | High Speed Railway HS2
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- Why doesn't the UK, England Or Scotland have bullet trains like Japan? The answer is more complex than you think!
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China and Japan have won the high-speed train race. With bullet trains crisscrossing the Asian supercontinent, it has made the grandfather of rail, the UK look as slow as the rocket. Why does the UK not have bullet trains, and what is the future of high-speed rail in the British isles?
Way back in 1804, a British engineer named Richard Trevithick built the first railway engine, but steam locomotion would not take off in a big way until 1829 when inspired engineer George Stephenson built the rocket!
Great Britan would become a powerhouse of locomotion engineering and built a rail network that would envy the world. But then things slowed down.
Eventually, the government reformed curtained back the vast network of railways, and car companies came to dominate the landscape. With the inclusion of lorries and major highway systems, the train was regulated only to high capacity routes - leaving many rural areas out of luck.
So why did innovation stop in England? Why did they no longer invest in railways, and how did japan and others come to dominate rail?
There are five significant reasons why the UK doesn't have bullet trains or faster rail.
The first is the Short distances. About 80% of the UK's population lives in a minimal area between Manchester, Leeds, Bristol, and London. Spending a lot of money to go not very far more quickly is questionable - we are looking at saving under an hour for the longest routes, and dramatically less for cities near London. Other European rivals such as France, who have fast trains, is enormous and the benefits would be instantly realized.
The 2nd reason is the density of the population of the United Kingdom. Because of (1), it's pretty hard to lay out a new network because unlike, say, France, in the UK there aren't huge areas of space between significant population areas, with the exception of the 'space' south of the 'Central Belt' of Scotland.
The third is the historic Hostility to investment in rail. Successive British governments have not followed up on the potential of high-speed rail, and plans have fallen to the wayside.
Our fourth reason is much more interesting, and its called Path dependency. Britain invented railways, and pretty much filled the country with them tout de suite. Once they're laid out the network of slower rail, you have all the disadvantages of an early adopter. Japan and especially China are laying out high-speed rail for the first time ever, with no existing slow rail to compete.
The fifth and last reason is because of Economic decline. Partly a cause of three, partly a consequence, Britain has always struggled to raise sufficient capital in the post-war period for large nation-building projects.
The result is that the long-distance routes in the UK are operating at near capacity.
Experts have said that a new North-South railway line should be built, and the government has finally moved on that project with the HS2 railway.
High-speed trains will travel between London and Birmingham on 134 miles of dedicated track. They will pass through more than 30 miles of tunnels and over 10 miles of viaducts, delivering quicker journeys on more trains with more seats. Phase One has a funding envelope of £45bn and will open between 2029 and 2033.
It is set to reduce the time it takes to travel from London to Birmingham by L45 minutes, from the current time 82 minutes.
From here, the network will extend north to Connect to Manchester and beyond to the twin cities of Endibour and Glasglow. The whole route, once connected, will only take to Scotland to London, a HS2 time of 220 minutes, Current time 262 minutes, a saving of only 40 minutes.
There are other arguments for that the government should instead invest in more modern ideas, such as building a hyperloop or maglev technology (which would make the trip under half an hour), but it took England this long to create a single line I think we are pushing our luck.
The United Kindom may have started the rail race, but without serious investment for arguably little gain, its railways will only go as fast as the steam trains of yore. Leaving the future to the giants of the east.
Let me know what you think of the video below in the comments.
Thanks for watching!
The main reason is that high speed trains require new, dedicated train lines as there's not the capacity to run them with slower traffic. There's been a lack of investment and political will to build the rail infrastructure required until now.
Very true. In fact, in most countries this is the single problem that prevents faster trains. Only Japan and Asia (china and such) who build new lines do well with this technology.
We do have bullet trains...We have the Class 395, Eurostar E300/373 and the E320 😐
@@xsentinel3044 for some reason people don't recognise those as bullet trains because they don't look like a traditional shinkansen but in actual fact the TGV family sets are all much faster than any shinkansen bullet train all capable of at least 200mph!
@@trains.planes funny considering that the class 395 is based on shinkansen technology
@@Cyborgdelta1 That's not my point, my point was that a TGV is faster than a Shinkansen. The TGV Duplex the current record holder was designed to rival the Shinkansen. The Shinkansen is actually based on French technology.
There's much more to it than this video makes out. A lack of Government will is part of it, but only because they felt alternative solutions could be used. Examples include electrification of the West Coast Main Line in the 60s, development of the InterCity 125 in the 70s (which greatly reduced intercity journey times), the Advanced Passenger Train project of the 70s and 80s which employed tilting technology to increase the speed a train can travel around bends, as well as major weight saving techniques (The project was cancelled in the mid 1980s, but much of its technology lives on in modern British trains) and more.
As for why High Speed 2 has finally been chosen over other methods such as Maglev, Hyperloop etc, there's many different reasons for that. Firstly, since High Speed 2 uses the same track gauge as our existing railway lines, trains that run along High Speed 2 can continue onto the existing railway lines to serve more destinations, such as Liverpool, Sheffield, Newcastle, Glasgow and Edinburgh. Furthermore, since it's being built in stages, destinations that are planned to be added to the HS2 network later on can still be served by HS2 trains before the later stages are completed. Finally, there's a bit of debate whether or not Maglev trains would actually be faster, since High Speed 2 is being built with passive provision for 400km/h operation, which is only 30km/h slower than the Shanghai Maglev system, currently the only operational high speed maglev in the world. As for Hyperloop, there are major concerns about whether or not it will be able to carry anywhere near the number of people needed. As you say in your video, the UK's intercity railways are operating at near capacity. Yet Hyperloop has a lower capacity than many of those existing railways. Most Hyperloop companies quote a capacity of around 800-1200 passengers per hour in each direction, whilst HS2 is designed to carry around 18,000 passengers per hour per direction
Hs2 also offers the rail network the opportunity to take high speed intercity services off the existing rail network and onto the new lines which frees up space on the existing lines for a dramatic increase in frequency of regional and commuter services. This will give the network a massive boost to capacity and significantly reduce delays involved in letting intercity services pass.
@Alasdair Clift: "Examples include electrification of the West Coast Main Line in the 60s, development of the InterCity 125 in the 70s (which greatly reduced intercity journey times), the Advanced Passenger Train project of the 70s and 80s which employed tilting technology to increase the speed a train can"
See my comment below in response to @Xerxes Au
The UK's small c conservative approach to rail investment has proven disastrous over the long term, value for money wise - in fact when we compare UK rail transport investment strategy per se, it is a story of repeated abject failure on an industrial scale.
The WCML upgrades instigated in the 1990s were disastrous, wasting £billions, see URL links below for a more detailed analysis
www.theguardian.com/world/2004/apr/01/transport.politics
www.theguardian.com/world/2004/apr/01/transport.politics1
Then we can also compare the costs and (seemingly constant) delays involved in implementing HS2 (which may well ultimately curtail its full potential) with the overall costs and implementation of the LGV SEA extension from Tours to Bordeaux plus LGV Bretagne extension from Le Mans to Rennes (both extensions opened on the same day in July 2017.
@@peterdavidson3268 I know, I was simply listing what the Government thought at the time. We really should’ve been developing high speed lines back in the 70s and 80s
1990's: travelling back+fro from Japan often. Taking an intercity.125 from paddington to swansea.. felt so ricketty and so slow (3.5 hr instead of 1.5hr)
HS2 isn't about saving time it's intended to free up valuable space on the rails and roads. Increasing capacity for more passenges and future freight. Building a hyperloop is out of the question! There's a valid reason why there aren't any in the world because they are largely untested and exstremley expensive to construct. Same principles for maglev systems HS2 is designed to be integrated with everyday services which would not work with maglev trains as they aren't compatible with standard tracks. HS2 is extremely controversial but it's been a long time coming it's what the country really needs if it wants to keep moving and functioning normally in the future. The astronomical cost puts a lot of people off but what large scale construction project is ever cheap? Especially one on the scale of HS2.
You are very right mate. I agree
Yeah and now? Lmao the government is scaling back HS2 (shock) and by the time its made, its probably going to be outdated. They said they cut times by like 20 minutes... what they didn't say is the new stations are a lot further away than the old train stations, adding even more time. It's embarrassing at this point.
@@user-cg3vr1dd2q The scale back is a huge blow to the whole plan but the investment is still being made and that's the important thing. If you're saying HS2 is outdated you're essentially saying that all rail networks are outdated, they won't be replaced by anything better for at least another century. Rail is the way forward there's no doubt about that. And perhaps the Eastern leg will be revived in the future when it's feasible.
Fortunately there are countries with no proper slow passenger service like most of America they can go straight to maglev and don’t have to worry about interoperability as those tracks only have freight anyway
@@user-cg3vr1dd2q ever heard of the transfer
You can tell you don't know the UK rail system well at all...
Even though we dont have dedicated bullet trains across our network, we have plenty of intercity routes that regularly operate over 100mph. For example: The west coast mainline, East coast mainline and so on. The only problem is that our intercity high speed trains have to operate with slower commuter trains
Britain has the second largest number of passenger journeys in Europe. The rolling stock is generally modern and, importantly, the non high speed rail system has not been left to rot as in many parts of Europe. It's also has a trend of increasing passenger numbers over the last five years.
The non high speed passenger network in china was relegated to night trains and freight
2:23 that train is actually an older generation Eurostar, not a TGV. The eurostar line runs under the English channel from London to Paris to transport British people to Europe. The Eurostar is a joint project between France and England. The TGV runs around France and some neighbouring nations, and these two trains sometimes operate on the same route.
yep its the br class 373
What do you mean it’s not a TGV it’s a TVG lol
2:20 that is a Eurostar train, a high speed train that goes in the UK. France and the UK are similar in size too
The UK does have Bullet Trains, they run on HS1 called Eurostar from London to Paris and Brussels and Javelin Trains from Kent Coast to London St Pancaras, 300 KPH for Eurostar trains and 230 KPH for the Javelin Trains, plus normal trains on the UK's rail network regularly travel at 125 MPH
By the way in the late 90s/early 00s Virgin Trains and First Great Western submitted proposals for new high-speed lines to supplement the main corridors of the UK. Virgin Trains planned a line along the flat east coast of England and First Great Western a line from London to Bristol, South Wales and South West England. If these were built the UK rail network in its current guise may look different. Plus the UK's first high-speed line was the Selby Diversion. It was built for 200km/h diesel trains and has passive provision for 270km/h, and is now electrified.
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The UK does have high speed. The line is even called High Speed 1. With max speed of 300kph it's one of the fastest lines in the world. It's run by the Eurostar and Southern Rail High Speed brands It's also building 100s of miles of high speed track (HS2)which is 350kph rated. I'm not sure what else it could be doing. !
Plus the main lines with 125mph upgrades
there is literally a train named hst class 43
oh yeah, the UK has one high-speed line - that doesn't even serve the UK. Cool.
@@erynn9968 incorrect. The Javelin is a high speed train that serves domestic stations along the line, including Stratford and Ebsfleet. It runs at 140mph. Please recheck your facts.
@@gaz909909 I just was sarcastic. Who needs Stratford and Ebs-what if a journey to Manchester or Scotland takes ages.
Erm, it does.
Good to see you've found this video! :)
Exactly. High Speed 1 anyone???
@Gareth Dennis you should make a video reacting to this video.
But not mainland tho. I guess euro star and javelin counts but thats really heading to France and the rest of Europe. 125mph isn't really high speed today, trains can go way faster. Infact we are really behind in terms of trains. Even America has 160mph trains now. You know we are doing bad when America has a barely existing high speed rail and even they can at least have 150mph in their arsenal. Germany with its ICE 3 can go 200mph with ludicrously cheaper tickets. Japan's shinkansen also goes 200mph and is WAYYYY cheaper than the UK. Infact a shinkansen has only been late once and it was in the news because it was unheard of.
So we are slower and more expensive while the rest of Europe and Asia is faster and cheaper. Hopefully HS2 gives us that high speed rail with been needing forever tho. But yeah, we can't really call ourselves 'high speed'
erm it doesnt
What's HS1 and Eurostar then?
Exactly - I must have imagined travelling at 300km/h speed whilst on board a Eurostar bound for Brussels out of London St. Pancras!
True, the UK does lag behind other European countries in terms of its HSR rollout - about thirty years behind to be precise - due principally to two factors;
1. The intrinsically small c conservative UK mindset when it comes to transformative change - in the rail environment, this translates to a make do and mend approach rather than build brand new tracks
2. The UK's constrained gauge - this impacts heavily on new lines constructed to GC gauge because new tracks built to the new standard cannot reach the last few km into city centre stations - the only solution is vastly expensive tunnelling to avoid mass demolition of existing inner city residential and commercial property.
Yeah he said the Eurostar was french tgv
@@sxmplyhan1700I mean the Eurostar is technically tgv as the older trains were built by Alstom which is a french company and the new Eurostar trains were built by Siemens a German company
You only have to go a certain countries and come back to UK and you will realise we have one of the best railway services in the world regardless of the 95% punctuality.
Japan, France, Germany and now China have some of the top railways infrastructure.
I pretty sure that there are other European railways who are on top of the list.
But very sad to say that USA, with the biggest gas polluter innovators in the world has the worst railway services in the world
That advert for HS2 is why we don't have a better rail network
2:25 you just showed the Eurostar which goes to London St. Pancras which runs on the UK HS1. HS2 is a project in the making and Crossrail and the Thameslink programme has been completed.
Why is it, that brits say "the Eurostar" instead of Eurostar, but never "the Virgin Trains" or "I'm riding the Thamelink", "the Southeastern" etc. How does one determine whether or not a rail operator is a "the"?
You should do some videos about SpaceX, your virgin galactic video did really well. So I think that a SpaceX video would be popular
I actually have one in the works and paused it to do this one instead! I'll finish it off and have it out soon
OP: uses the word "England" instead of UK
Me: *Cringes in Scottish*
If someone is discussing the UK and then refers to the country as 'England', you can take it that they don't know what they're talking about.
@@curt3494 exactly, especially because they overlooked HS1 and the largely upgraded existing network
@@harrymain9467 I have no idea about the British rail network. But it does rub me up the wrong way when foreigners (mainly Americans) talk about England when they actually mean Britain/the UK. We're one nation 🇬🇧
@@curt3494 honestly wee things like that push me more towards the argument for Scottish independence lol 🏴
@@harrymain9467 Foreign ignorance pushes you towards independence? 😂 😂 😂
what about HS1 that runs from london st pancras to ashford and the trains that run on that route are bullet trains so we do have bullet trains its just that they werent mentioned.
He even shows a clip at 2:21 that's the problem with all of these 'documentaries' they never do full research.
@@edwardmortimer2150 French TVG 😭
Currently on hs2 track a train from London to Birmingham distance 200 km takes 2 hrs 6 min whereas as for a similar distance from Tokyo to Ueda, Nagano takes 1 hours 16 min. The speed difference is evident..
'leaving the future of high speed rail to the giants of the East' 💯
😂😂 Nice way to conclude.
Lot's of nations around the world don't have bullet trains. Only a few in Europe due to their geography. The UK has a well connected railway line with several high speed links that link the country up perfectly. I'd argue the UK has Europe's best regional trains. But the UK does have high speed railways and does have high speed trains. Only a few nations in Europe have massive high speed routes like France or Germany and their trains are quite poor outside of then. Not sure why you are attacking the UK here. What about Canada, Australia, USA, etc? Northern Europe? Not many have them.
You keep on switching between England and the UK when your giving figures I’m not sure if your talking about the UK as a whole or just England.
-The UK is a hole?-
"Edited?" - Ah yes, so it has been.
@@mosseisleyYT Edited: whole.
for England, James?
No. This time, for myself.
Actually the uk does have bullet trains its the azuma japenese design class 800 bullet train😬
The UK has multiple bullet trains.
Bruh you call the creater of the rocket stepson
Yeh lol
Very good video. You have really explained to me why britain does not have high speed rail, and why it probably will not in the future, except for the hs2 which is already going to take some time to build.
Um yes it does. A normal line for example Bristol-London reaches 150mph.even past my town trains go 125mph.also do you know what a eurostar is?because it is a line going from Britain and into the Channel tunnel and onto mainland Europe. That can go 200mph
@@Roman-LW16_24 i was being sarcastic
What do you think HS1 is? Didn’t really do much research did you.
The UK does have bullet trains between London and the Kent coast. That's not much at all, compared to other european countries, but enough for the UK to count as a country that has bullet trains.
Another awesome video 👌
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Idk if he meant HSTS or Actual Japanese bullet trains (A reason not hard to figure out why Britain doesn't have bullet trains) but to prove that there is HST in the UK, Reality Check since they are
BR Class 43: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_43_(HST) (Personal Favourite)
(InterCity 125)
BR Class 91
: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_91
(InterCity 225)
BR Class 180
: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_180
BR Class 220
: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_220
BR Class 221
: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_221
BR Class 222
: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_222
BR Class 390
: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_390
BR Class 295
: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_395
BR Class 397
: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_397
BR Class 800
: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_800
BR Class 801
: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_801
BR Class 802
: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_802
I almost forgot! Here is some footage of HSTS! czcams.com/video/yglIzXvwd58/video.html
hyperloop would be a great fit for britain, they don't actually want to build new infrastructure so investing into a PR scam would be perfect.
Jajajajajaja
Hyperloop is a vanity project that would be a colossal waste of money for the UK gov to pursue.
@@Wasserfeld. oh yeah. Also no way Musk gets away with his BS in the U.K.
hyperloop is a hypersucker
if there was a working concept then maybe but we need this transport/capacity upgrade in the the next 10 years not 20+. Even if a working concept was proven in the next 5 years it will then need to be tested, analysed and then scaled up which could easily take another 15 years then they have to start construction which will be even longer. At this moment in time there is no point investing so much money into some thing we don't know if it will even work also HS2 has already started construction and the TBM's are almost ready to start digging.
For the UK a good developed high speed passenger and freight system serving major cities, with links to regular rail and road infrastructure and with lines serving major ports- could bring many massive economic and environmental benefits, as well as just enabling people and goods to move more easily and quickly. We should also be investing in metro lines, trolley cars and protected lanes and tracks for bikes and low-powered personal EVs, like e-bikes, e-scooters, mobility buggies, etc. Making it possible to get almost anywhere you need to- quickly- without a car should be a future goal if we really want to stop climate change and reduce fossil fuel dependency. Run our transport network on nuclear and renewables, new highspeed rail, electrify existing rail, put up overhead wires on main roads and busy bus routes trolley buses with battery backups could be used to go anywhere buses currently go, with much smaller batteries than a fully electric vehicle. They can connect and disconnect themselves from the wires as needed, the system could be used for local delivery vehicles like trucks and vans servicing businesses too. Very costly, but the economic and environmental benefits long-term would be huge. Cars will still serve a function, but you'd see far fewer people driving out of neccessity, making the roads better for those who do need or wish to drive. Making our country more bikeable and walkable and accessible by good public transport would benefit everyone.
Britain's high speed trains regularly run at 125mph on conventional tracks in comparison to the E3 and E6 shinkansen in Japan that also run on conventional track but only manage 80mph! Oh and to anyone complaining about why it's taking so long to build HS2 please consider that it took 50 years for Japan to plan, argue over and build the Nagasaki shinkansen and even then they have only built half of the route originally planned! Britain isn't the only master at red tape!
Having been recently working in China I can only say ... I have nothing to say ...
@@daweilaotou1269 in china their network was in planning since the 1990s!!!
Hello, can you notice the 390 Pelondino? It’s waiting.
1: After ww2 you guys all had big strait areas but we dont
2: 2:21 that is in Britain and that in on Hs1 which IS a high Speed line, so we do kinda have one. YOU LITERALLY USED A BRITISH HIGH SPEED RAILWAY TO COMPARE TO HOW BRITAIN "DOESNT HAVE" A HIGH SPEED RAILWAY what
Technically, since it's a class 373, it is a TGV train. But you're right in that they're able to run on Britain's second high-speed railway, the first being the Selby Diversion in Yorkshire.
@@mastertrams yes it is a TGV but still a British high speed train and no the selby diverson is not a high speed line, hs1 is Britain's first proper high speed railway
@@mastertrams the Selby diversion runs at 125mph
@@juanescobar8123 The definition for a high speed line to my knowledge is:
200mph+ (or something like that) on dedicated track
125mph+ on conventional rail corridors
The Selby diversion is a conventional rail corridor as opposed to a dedicated high-speed line, therefore it qualifies as high-speed.
@@mastertrams you are saying that the Selby diversion isn't a high speed railway, but still qualifies as high speed. So that means the GWML, the ECML, the WCML and the MML all qualify as proper high speed railways as they run at 125mph
2:25 pretty sure thats a UK Eurostar, not a french TGV
It *is* a french-built TGV train but, its in the UK... running a high speed service at 186mph that we invented alongside SNCF almost 30 years ago! This documentary is very good but highly inaccurate at points...
@@dantemajasi-reed1229 It is not a French TGV, it is a Eurostar train, French TGV do not operate in the UK due to safety factors all trains on HS1 are either Eurostar trains or Javelin Trains
You make good videos! Great work
Thank you very much! I do them for comments like these :)
Th3 fleet consists of boring yellow coloured diesel locos which needs an upgrade !
Maybe, just maybe, the main reason is that the new 225 Km. long new high speed line between London and Birmingham has a cost of 48,000M€ while the whole high speed lines in Spain built from scratch since 1990 (3,086 Km. long) have had a total cost 55,888M€.
Don't go as far as Japan or China, just take a look of what your european neighbours (France, Spain, Germany and Italy) have done and the cost of it.
And yet we have a significantly stronger economy than France and Spain, not Germany but we're getting there!
The € did not exist in 1990
Er hello we have got 225kmh 395 and the 300kmh 373 and the 320kmh 374 and we will get HS2 soon (🤞) and a lot of our trains are 125mph
Don't keep mixing units ... km/h ... please.
When comparing train speeds, I often use mph
@@juanescobar8123 but why, in 2021?
@@daweilaotou1269 idk, I just find it easier. I'm weird ik lol
@@daweilaotou1269 BRUH UK IS BLOODY IMPERIAL (a little)
We may be getting HS2 🚄 probably one of the fastest types of trains in the world
Hs2 is crap
@@Yeti_SploofZ ok?
Nah we British lol
Jk idk hopefully
@@edwardmortimer2150 ? I’m British as well
As fast as steam trains? They didn't do 125mph (and indeed 135-140mph before limiters on many occasions) as standard. Further, Hyperloop would need direct alignments - that will never be possible in the UK for several reasons. HS2 is as fast as the UK will ever be able to go on land. We will not be drilling through cities nor carving up protected lands for Hyperloop with far higher costs than HS2 for little time saving when applied only to England. Scotland has two cities with a combined population of circa 3.7 million - the costs for the extra 100 miles is not only pointless but would never happen die to first said reason anyway.
4:23 so do Japan and China. And why did he talk about HS2 and then proceed to say that Britain had no high speed rail future.
Nick, that is a nice topic about rail transport in the UK. However since you uploaded the video 3 years ago, it's already outdated.
The UK is already on investing in rail with upgraded infrastructure, new rolling stock, electrification etc.
Well, the recent news is that the Government of Sunak scrapped the north section of HS2 to Manchester after phase 2 to the Midlands was also cutted from the plan, with only focusing between London and Birmingham. 🫤
Oh, AND… Maglev and Hyperloop techno never materialise in the UK 😂
He pronounced Trevithick, Stephenson, Birmingham, and Edinburgh wrong. Also this is an Australian criticising Britain's lack of high speed rail...
Sorry as a Brummie I can say he did not pronounce Birming-Ham incorrectly.
What about Eurostar and hs1...
The GWR used to have high speed trains
Great video !
Thanks so much for watching friend! Hope you stick around for the next one!
No not great video since it's not correct sorry
@Ruff and tuff Entertainment wtf that
Japan’s regular trains are not interoperable with any of their fast trains as the gauge of regular trains in Japan are narrow gauge Shinkansen regardless had to be standard gauge anyway. In china their slow trains just got dropped for the high speed trains and most of their lines slow routes were given to freight. So passenger trains can be separated with metro and regional rail trains being on new lines
Doesn’t the Uk use Pendolinos?
They are used on the West Coast mainline out of London Euston, they were introduced by Virgin trains but are now operated by Avanti West Coast.
I also think it's due to the amount of money invested in highways. This then means fewer people take the train and therefore less money for investment. However, I think that is starting to change now with talk about CO2 emissions, noise, and pollution the car is definitely falling out of favor.
Class 390: *AM I A JOKE TO YOU*
Don't forget the trains on HS1, they also think they are a joke to him
Yeah but those trains aren’t British made they are made In France and Germany especially the Eurostar
One other factor not mentioned here is that most people would rather have high efficiency rail that costs less than save a few minutes on a journey and end up paying more.
High speed rail would only make financial sense if you traveled from London to Edinburough for instance which is 400 miles so you would save a lot of time and that would be worth the extra cost, but traveling from city to city it makes no sense because you'd save 10 to 20 minutes but end up paying a LOT more for the journey.
This isn't just the case in the UK, all European nations have the same "problem" when it comes to rail travel, which is why high speed lines like Eurostar and TGV only travel between capital cities and there are no high speed trains connecting large cities within borders, since economically that wouldn't be viable and the time you save is marginal at best.
The Eurostar is in the UK. Isn’t that considered a bullet train. The Eurostar has a cruising speed near 200mph.
In the USA most areas don't have the population density to support high speed rail lines traveling over about 150 mph (about 240 kph) as traveling faster requires significantly more maintenance. Due to the short distances in the UK and the lack of a significant time savings; I suspect that your budget conscious government may want to restrict the speed of the trains to a similar speed. In fact, in the USA Amtrak, our national passenger train service, survives on small package delivery plus whatever passengers that will ride on it and only the Eastern sea board line (Boston to Washington DC) travels at about 150 mph. We could do much better throughout the rest of the continent.
Unfortunately the Acela can reach 150 mph only on on 34 miles of the Eastern seaboard line. And 6 to 7 hours for a 457 mile trip are really a lot of time...
Our class 395s once hit 157mph, and our pendolinos hit 161mph, and you just wait until the trains on HS2 break the record, America will start sweating
And let's not forget the 374s, they can reach 200mph
@@thefatcontroller4094 America is already sweating because their infrastructure (not just trains) are nearly hundreds of years behind European and Asian countries. And their new California high-speed line wouldn't be in service before 2040.
They already have bullet trains including HS2 (currently under construction)
gonna be expensive lol
@@yaaninja not for the uk it's not. As soon as they leave the EU and stop paying 137 million a week to them hs2 will feel like paying nothing
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HS1?
Main issue I have with hs2 is that it isn’t fast enough
I didn’t know that Eurostar was a train well that’s what this video made me think
Lol
Both eurostar set are french and germains trains that are able to operate on UK, they are not british at all
It is a French train that runs on British tracks
@@fugf1623 I know that the tmst is french but what about the Siemens
@@fugf1623 Well technically speaking a lot of trains in the UK are not British,
1/ Pendolinos are built in Italy
2/ Class 800's and Javelin trains are built in Japan
3/ Class 66's are built in USA / Canada
4/ Class 68's & 88's are built in Spain
so most modern trains are built abroad
There is another reason , remember when the Iron Lady (Margaret Tatcher) decided to privatize the UK railroad system back when she was PM ?
Blah blah blah Margaret Thatcher etc...
RailROAD
since the distances are a lot shorter than what is found in the USA, it is quite plausible that a private company could build a high speed train in Britain
@@neutrino78x I think that's how they built HS1
It was after Thatcher actually, it was John Major
you really don't know the uk railways well
You see, I always thought the same to the US on why WE don't have any high speed railway cause our country is not an island. We're connected to two other continents ( Mexico and Canada ) and we're a very big country. But you know how it is on us Americans: we need our freedom to go whereever we wanted to go in our gas -guzzling, lead toxic ICE automobiles. I mean yeah, we got Acela from Amtrak but c'mon, just one?
5:46 , Edinburgh . You can either say " Ee-deen-bur-ra " , the way a lot of scots say it , or " Ed-in-bruh " the way english people say it .
But UK has Eurostar e320 and Eurostar 300
England is not the UK
Do your research mate. The total human habituated - urban conurbations in the UK consume Less than 3% of the land.
The reason there is no HSR in UK is because because of Government refusal to approve and build HSR. All because they can not personally get their fingers in the money pots of HSR construction projects.
HS2 will be 33 years from inception to first train on rails - phase one.
Highways, Motorways, Freeways, Autobahns, etc have substantial tax payer funding in construction and maintenance.
The idea a Railway of any variety has to have a fully self sufficient funding model is a very 19th century mentality.
Estonia has all public transport in Tallinn - 100% tax payer funded. Fewer vehicles on roads with less congestion and pollution.
Hyperloop... PACS (from 1960s and 70s television and films) is pointless because a 400m long High Speed Train travelling at 450kph can if / when the 'infrastructure' is built will make no two cities in the UK and Ireland less than Two Hours maximum travel time.
Trains are currently possible of 450 to 500+ kph with distributed traction.
Do your research before making wide brush stroke bizarre opinions not based in facts.
Final louds in this vid is wrong it annoys me
*HS2 WILL NEVER GET BUILT.*
*But at least Britain will always have that little section called "HS1" in southeast england.*
So what do you think they are building around Birmingham, the Cotswold's and Old oak Common, it definitely isn't a Nuclear Bunker, grow up of course HS2 is being built.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 : *It'll never get finished.*
@@archstanton5973 Well you don't know much then do you as the track formations along it's lenth along with tunnels and viaducts are way under construction.
There are 3 high speed bullet trains. Class 373, 374 and 395. There are also significant modern higher speed traction on almost all mainlines from GWR to LNER to EMR, to Avanti to Lump to Hull Trains etc. The list goes on.
we should be using rail that is totally underground barring any stations, for the highest speeds possible in uk. with far more lines, has a means to expand. not destroying habitats above ground.
Yeah and that would be colossally expensive. More so than hs2.
Hs2 phase one will run half the route in cuttings and tunnels
@@juanescobar8123 cuttings are quite common in rail, and are far far cheaper then building a totally underground railway, across the entire country.
economic decline ? isn't UK projected to grow faster than Japan and some of major European countries?
The UK shrunk more due to covid, largely due to differences in how the fall was calculated, so as all countries recover, it looks like it's growing faster. None of that is relevant to "economic decline" which is a nonsense because the UK got much richer after ww2, it "declined" only as a proportion of global gdp.
That tgv whas a eurostar
clip at 0:07 is actually korea
Funny the only high-speed train is used to get out of the country! 😄
5:15
But aren't class 43s, 180s, 220s, 221s, 222s, 390s, 395s, 397s, 800s, 801s, 802s & 803s technically UKs bullet trains?
Can they all do at least 300kph?
395,800/801/802/803 are defo Bullet trains
Has anyone else realised he said the Eurostar was a TGV
The 373s are TGV TMSTs, they were built France, but owned by British Rail, and some 373s did work for SNCF TGV until Eurostar needed some more 373s
Technically they are, but yes we do have high speed rail HS1!!!!
Reason 6: the UK already has extensive high speed rail. High-speed rail starts at 125mph/200kph which is what many of the intercity lines run at. One of the reasons why adding high-speed rail to the UK is uncompetitive is because it's regular rail already goes very fast by international standards.
Ask the US the same question 😳
They Have Eurostar
Bullet train is just a generic name for a high speed train. It's jumpity pang kiddy speak. Try to use the term stream liner. Think the LNER A4 or the LMS Coronation pacifics. Then think the HST 125, Intercity trains. They are all stream liners notbs bullet shape bullets have a rounded shape.
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So this isn't a CZcams channel endorsement of the developers' HS2?
I don't live in the UK, so I am unaware of the controversy surrounding the project (now I am aware), so take that with a grain of salt.
@@FoundAndExplained If I may, I’ll try and add some context from a UK point of view if you haven’t already been made aware. What many here object to over HS2 is that by the time it is operational by the 2030’s is that it will effectively be obsolete due to the technology and that it will be unnecessary. In regards that second point, since Covid came along, practically everyone who works in an office in the UK has been working from home and this looks likely to be the norm post Covid. As you say, we already have a fast train line that gets from London to Birmingham in just over 80 minutes. With more people working from home in the future, capacity doesn’t quite seem an issue anymore.
In regards the first, if it was a magalev or hyper loop line, it would be revolutionary and exciting. It would be something that would put us on par with Japan or China and show that the UK is a technologically innovative powerhouse. Instead, we are going to be left with something that will look very bog standard by 2030 at best and will have likely cost over £100 billion. Nobody outside the government believes that we will ever get that money back.
@@cobbler9113 Fellow Brit here, and also aspiring rail engineer. A lot of that isn't technically correct. Hyperloop and Maglev, although fast, have one major flaw - they're completely incompatible with out existing infrastructure. High Speed 2 is built as a regular railway as it means trains on High Speed 2 can continue off its tracks and on to our existing lines to serve other stations, such as Liverpool, Sheffield, York, Newcastle, Glasgow and Edinburgh. As for Working from Home, recent studies have suggested that up to 80% of British people prefer working at a separate place of work than at home, and the number of people developing mental health issues have increased substantially. As for the current London-Birmingham line, it's the most congested mixed traffic railway in all of Europe and badly in need of relief.
@@agent_605 The thing is, for something this grand and expensive, you're going to need to make it look interesting. The only bits about HS2 that look good are the stations, but that isn't good enough which is why I say Magalev or Hyperloop should have been serious considerations. To be honest, I'm now sceptical that this will go beyond Birmingham and will just be another commuter line. Don't know where you found that, but I found one claiming that as many as 90% of people in Britain prefer working from home when possible (www.eskenzipr.com/2020/05/12/eskenzi-survey-finds-9-out-of-10-respondents-would-prefer-working-from-home-at-least-once-a-week/) with 67% saying they would be happy to work from home at least twice a week. A more modest one showed support at 54% so I think that claim is just plain wrong and you don't have any sources to back that up. I also wonder if a good many of those were older and maybe more likely to have retired by the time HS2 is complete?
The current London - Birmingham line is indeed very congested. However, if people are working from home more regularly, that will ease it up a bit. One other factor is that when I am looking at travelling by train, I often go by cost (within reason). Fares on the current line, especially at off peak, are actually quite reasonable. There is no doubt that tickets for HS2 will be more expensive. You can see the evidence for this with HS1 which I used when studying at Canterbury. Truth be told, if it didn't stop at Stratford which meant I didn't have to go through central London to get a train to Norwich, I wouldn't have used it. Even last year when my now fiancée and I got the train to Dover, we opted to use the slower but much cheaper train than HS1. Assuming most people think along similar lines, especially for family tickets and such, HS2 will not help unless the fares are quite heavily subsidised as the current line does a pretty good job of getting people from London to Birmingham in terms of speed.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes to a rather ignominious end and becomes a freight line.
@@cobbler9113 There's no need to make something look "interesting" just because it costs a lot of money. If you're spending a large sum of public money, you spend it on the most effective solution, not the one that looks poshest.
Maglev and Hyperloop were considered, as they have been almost always. But, quite simply, every time they fail on cost, capacity, and compatibility. A maglev network would be restricted to itself, Cities like Liverpool, Sheffield, York, Newcastle, Glasgow and Edinburgh would rely entirely on the old line, defeating the point of moving intercity trains to their own dedicated line, which is the primary purpose of HS2.
Here's an example of the impact of lockdown & working from home on mental health www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-54418913
And another www.shinyshiny.tv/2020/10/4-in-10-workers-fear-for-mental-health-working-from-home.html
Even if working from home does become more of the norm, there are still significant amounts of cars on the road and regional flights within the UK, creating huge amounts of pollution. Trains are almost universally considered the most environmentally friendly form of transport, and so any capacity freed from working from home is likely to be taken up by other passengers unable to or leisure passengers. Also, freight plays a significant part in carbon emissions too. Right now, few freight trains can run along main arteries such as the WCML due to congestion from passenger trains. With many of those trains moving to HS2, more freight trains can run, reducing reliance on HGVs, therefore reducing overall carbon emissions.
As for cost, HS2 services will be exactly the same services as currently run on the existing network, just moved to the new line, therefore the same fares will apply as are already regulated by the Government. HS1's fare structure works entirely differently, as it was built primarily for Eurostar services, with regional services being additional to what was already running. That's why they're charged at a premium, as they are competing with slower services. When HS2 opens, there won't be any slower services to compete with.
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This trainific
So? UK has the best trains, Class 390 and Class 802 are amazaing
All the AT300S are fantastic! I personally think the 395 is best of the lot but it's just my opinion
Yeh, this video wasn't correctly researched, they arent true high speed trains but, what about the class 373, 374 and 395, there proper hs!
Hs2 migh destroy the place a bit, however something would be useful. A train line between north and South Wales 🏴 is necessary, and needs to be done, I believe there was one before
The original plan included tracks to Bristol. HS2 will also run close to Liverpool. Had they kept the original plan, you could use the HS2 network between Bristol and Liverpool, and just need to swap over to get to places like Cardiff, or Llandudno. Sadly, people pocketed money, and the government blamed the project being too big, so downsized. Corruption at it's finest, or worst, you decide.
There is a route from Cardiff to Holyhead, and it's still there.
@@mattevans4377 NPR will give HS2 a spur to Liverpool
@@juanescobar8123 Maybe, if it even becomes a reality. I'm still expecting more cuts though.
Wow that sucks
I don't get any they don't just connect up all Big and small cities with high speed rail
The tracks need to be laid and England has very little space that is government owned to build it
Let me introduce money...
*cough cough* HS1/HS2 *cough cough*
One word: underinvestment
UK should build mag-lev trains
Especially Japanese maglev trains since they're more reliable than German endless-money-pit ones, as per Scotty Kilmer. Toyota and Honda Japanese reliability for the win!
Or a hyperloop. The japanese train will go twice as fast as the HS2
@@FoundAndExplained Elon Musk's Teslas are unreliable though. Look at the panel gap problems. Also, Hyperloop is not viable as it has low capacity. Only carrying a few thousand passengers per hour in few-passenger "capsules". Compare that with Shinkansen's hundreds of thousands per hour in SIXTEEN-coach trains, as per American Rail Club.
@@FoundAndExplained That's really not true, HS2 is faster than any bullet train (other than ones under construction) at 250mph. HS1 goes up to 186mph, which is as fast as the fastest bullet train in Japan, and we have run trains at up to 208mph on the same track.
@@FoundAndExplained No it doesn't, do your research. Hs2 will be the fastest (non maglev) high speed railway line in the world when it opens.
The economic argument makes no sense, the U.K. is the 5th richest country in the world, 2nd in Europe. Countries like Spain have among the best railways in Europe, and the city of London alone produces more money than the entire Spanish economy.
The UK is the poorest country in Northern Europe, but it is richer than Spain, or for that matter than China, so is clearly capable of having high speed rail. I can only assume you are being literal, the Bank of England creates all pounds Sterling and is in the square mile, while all euros are created in frankfurt.
@@gchecosse Of course I’m not talking about who manufactures the pound vs sterling what kind of point would that be? Besides a very irrelevant and obvious one. I am saying the amount of money london makes in a year - it’s profits and contribution to the British economy is more than what the entirety of Spain makes in a year. In other words if England was solely the single city of London, it’s economy would still be larger than that of Spain, because Spains entire economy is not enough to match even just the single city of London. The U.K. is not the poorest in Northern Europe that’s just ridiculous, again it’s the second richest economy on the continent behind only Germany. Even if you look at it via GDP, the U.K. is only behind Germany. You ought to read more or something.
@@ricky7959 Look at the World Bank and Oecd stats on gdp per capita at ppp for 2019: the UK is slightly behind France and far behind all the other countries in northern Europe.
Spain's gdp in 2019: 1.4 trillion usd, London 670 billion usd, so about half. That's the London region though, the City of London will be much smaller.
Apparently the City of London says its gdp is 2.4% of the UK's, which would be about 68 billion, roughly equal to Bulgaria.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story, typical Aussie interchanging England with UK by the way. The UK has the world’s fastest average network speed, due to our upgrading of ECML, WCML, GWR etc you can travel from London to Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds etc in no more than 41/2 hours for the longest distances…
you could knock alot more time to manchester if it didn't skirt to the right. and to scotland if you went straight tomanvhester you could probably save anpther 20-30 minutes. hey are already planning a no no in highspeed rqail. they are not taking the shortest route
What's the quicker route? The main route avoids Birmingham already, there's a branch line which serves it
You can't just build straight lines you know.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story, typical Aussie interchanging England with UK by the way. The UK has the world’s fastest average network speed, due to our upgrading of ECML, WCML, GWR etc you can travel from London to Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds etc in. I more than 41/2 hours for the longest distances…
The Welsh engine was not the first. There was another engine built in 1802 at Coalbrookdale.
Now another major reason has come true - the Brexit.