The Formula 1 Iceberg Explained, Vol. 1
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- Iceberg tiers are a popular internet phenomenon in which degrees of knowledge of a particular subject are conveyed with an iceberg, in which the most commonly well-known titbits are at the top as “the tip of the iceberg”, and way down in the depths are the conspiracy theories and information which may have been supressed or covered up. These have been made for a variety of different topics, and so naturally Formula 1 is one of them. There are a few different ones going around, but I’m going to use this one from Reddit. As you can see, there is quite a lot here, ranging from your everyday meme material at the top to the deepest darkest depths of F1 Twitter at the bottom. You know me, I’m going to do this properly and go through every single one of these statements. So, buckle up, because this could take a while.
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0:00 Introduction
0:49 Tier 1
8:22 Tier 2
14:41 Tier 3
25:41 Tier 4
38:07 Tier 5
46:59 Tier 6
55:37 Tier 7
1:06:22 Tier 8
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In Spain we have a "theory" that since Alonso crash in 2015 pre-season, he still thinks is a rookie, they told him who he was, and that's why he's still so fast at his age
He said " I'm Fernando Alonso and I race carts, I hope one day I can make it to F1" when the doctors asked him who he was. Pretty creepy but I don't believe it. It probably was like that just for the moment
I think that's wrong cuz he still hates Hamilton 😂
"I'm Young, I'm Fit, No Problem"
He forgot to slow down with age🤣🤣
No wonder he's still driving to this day.
A theory of mine is that Seb never got covid at the start of the 2022 season, he just didn't want to race in countries with poor human rights, as he is a known activist of this.
He's literally sponsored by Aramco
@@arseniyvybornov3512 yeah these "activists" are always very shady and perform mental gymnastics
@@arseniyvybornov3512 his team is, he isnt.
@@luhti9443 like that makes a difference
@@RockSolitude of course it does. You don't get to choose the sponsors for the team you are driving for. And it's not like he had many teams to choose one where he would like to go.
For me, Bianchi's fatal accident is an 'iceberg'. Although a report on the course of events was published, Bianchi's accident is treated by Formula 1 as a complete taboo topic. For example, while the accidents of Senna and Hubert are repeatedly mentioned, this is not the case with Bianchi. Since apart from the mobile phone video and two pictures there are no published recordings of the accident and this is poorly documented for the public, I can't shake the feeling that something about the accident is being deliberately kept secret.
it was a clear mistake by the FIA in that situation, compared toSenna and Hubert incidents. They would want to cover it up since they were at fault
@@f1edits280 Completly agree!
@@mrbeschissen6690 I do agree that it is likely that since it is the FIA's fault they wouldn't want to talk about it much but there is always so much talk about the halo, practically the final gift Bianchi gave to F1. That IMO is honoring Bianchi's death much more than talking about the tragic circumstance ever would.
They avoid it because it was entirely the FIAs fault
The video of his crash was evidence enough. It didnt need a big public thing. The tractor was on the track at a damgerous time and he drove fast to catch up to the rest of the field. There isnt much else to it. They changed the rules to solve those issues shortly after.
All entirely legal within the rules the FIA made. So they knew it was their fault. What his death did for the sport was bring in the halo(which i dont think would have saved him i.m.o) which has gone on to save many people since.
I thnk the rumor about Mick being Ralfs son stems from the perception of their driving styles being quite similar. But that makes sense since Micheal would not have been able to much influence his sons carrer due to his disabling injury from 2013, with Mick being just 14 at the time, and had yet to race more then carts. Thus his next most logical mentor for his F1-precursor years: his uncle
You’re so right like it doesn’t make sense to compare micheal and mick when mick was unable to really experience micheals driving
@martha2146 Ralf knew plus seb has been there for mick
I'm pretty sure Kvyat being the best driver on the grid is based entirely on him beating Ricciardo in 2015. This is used to infer that much like Daniel he would beat Vettel (2014) and Verstappen (2016-17), you could use the latter to say he's even better than Hamilton based on 2021, as insane as you'd sound. GOAT candidate.
Kvyat is a good driver aswell, I would say he is the best Eastern European/Slav (after Kubica, of course), that I remember, underrated IMO.
When MMA maths leaks into F1
I just think that kicking Kvyat out was a mistake. He was improving a lot in his last year, trying everything he had and in the end it didn't matter. Such a shame.
@@Tomoyo86 Yeah, he was crashing alot in the early 2016 championship. but didn't max go through a crashing phrase in 2018?🤦♂️Red bull are just too harsh
Kvyat beat Ricciardo who beat Vettel who beat Webber who beat Nico Rosberg who beat Michael Schumacher and Lewis Hamilton, All in equal machinery. Daniel Kvyat IS the goat
Tier 6 went from 0-100 really quick, I can’t stop laughing and I’m sure Brook also was trying to conceal some laughs, especially with the Will Smith theory lol
20:40 in all the times I’ve heard about Spygate, I never knew that it ended in a suicide… poor guy 😢
To be honest, I feel more sorry for the person that hit him. Just going about your business and someone intentionally walks in front of your vehicle. Could've killed the driver and I'd imagine they'd have PTSD, too.
Rip
@@hughmasson2200 👍
@@hughmasson2200 yeah rest in piss people who commit suicide like that. Disgustingly selfish.
I think from what I read it wasn't suicide, but he apparently crossed the road like a normal pedestrian and a truck just hit him, but that's a theory and the circumstances are still unknown
Got a conspiracy theory of my own: Hamilton never had a gearbox problem at the 2007 Brazilian Grand Prix. He was told by McLaren to give up the title so they wouldn’t be remembered as the spy gate champions.
Nah it's Formula 1. If they could have won it, they absolutely would have. It's not like teams and drivers haven't won in dubious circumstances before...
@@namvu2362 I’m not saying it’s true, it’s just fun to come up with stuff like this
There is definitely something to Hamilton's lost rookie championship in 2007. He was once interviewed about it a few years after it had happened and he said something among the lines "i didn't know what happened the, but i know now. It's not something i can discuss." You can find evidence of this from THE RACE's video about Hamilton's lost championship of 2007.
@@thehuggingsimmy1765 There definitely isn't. Hamilton made rookie errors and Räikkönen took a well deserved championship.
I have thought this as well. The 2007 title had to be gifted
there was a top gear episode about why the finnish are so good at driving, they did a rally and raced against amateurs and still lost
It came down to “Finns got balls.”
I’d imagine the Ralf is the faster Schumacher comes from a WTF1 video where they discuss the most unrealistic times when teammate comparisons prove certain drivers were quicker than others.
I had a stroke reading that
@@thatonenigeriansformula you’ll have one again watching that video
Ralf was actually a really good driver, JP Montoya says that ralf was the quickest team mate he ever had, and he had a really hard time at williams at first because of him. I'm not saying he was faster than michael, but he wasn't bad at all
@@vlasov18 like Chad Channing in Nirvana before Dave Grohl joined. Maybe not the GOAT, but very competent.
DAS wasnt banned next race because when Mercedes came to the FIA with the DAS idea they said no because it was activated with a button. The FIA told Mercedes that it was legal so long it was done purely mechanically through driver input, thinking that Mercedes would never figure it out, they did. If the FIA wanted to ban it immediately, Mercedes could protest, saying that it was made legal by the FIA themselves.
i feel like people act like the FIA intentionally make rules that favour merc, when in reality merc are just really good at finding loopholes in the rules, something any good sports team does
@@ltbq Mercedes is such a compulsive finder of loopholes that when the present Ross Brawn regulations left a development dead end in them in the shape of a sidepod-less design, they just _had_ to go for it. I wouldn't be surprised if that changes after the break ends, because with a lift in minimum ride height and the banning of that floor flexibility, Mercedes isn't going to have many good ways to lean into ground-effect that can offset the loss by not being able to work sidepods like wings. xD
@@ltbq yeah but the fact that the FIA also favoured them many times throughout the years when it comes to both the rules outside the track and on it
@@ltbq I mean there's the fact that Mercedes heavily lobbied for the V6T engines that they just so happens to have been developing for several years.
@@ltbq Same as Red Bull in their winning streaks, and both likely a similar reason for their wins and their notoriety: People care a lot more about a front running, dominant team using questionable designs than just another midfield team
One thing you forgot to note about the “fernando is faster than you” moment is that Ferrari spent a good few laps before that telling massa to pick up the pace but massa didn’t. It’s in the season review and is a very interesting perspective
I’m also convinced that if any non Toyota Michelin car had taken part in Indy 2005 they would have finished just fine but there you go
@@Woody93185 some would’ve but some wouldn’t, the sidewall integrity was sketchy and that was not a question at all. So FIA did the right thing by not allowing them to race. But they should’ve just called off the race and they didn’t, that hurt f1 in the US for a decade and more
@@Woody93185 IndyCar 2005 imo still had better car sounding than 2023 F1 V6 Hybrids.
My Theory: Leclerc was hired by Ferrari solely based on the fact, that his country's flag looks like the Marlboro Logo
That's a highly plausible theory and I for one ascribe to it.
I salute your genius, sir. 👍🏼
Then they should havw singed gelael as well
1:02:27 I think it's about Massa being slower after his crash in Hungary. Nelson Piquet once said that himself lost sense of depth after his Indy crash, and believes that Massa suffered some sort of sequel, being a slower driver as a result.
I think it was after his crash at Imola in 87, where he got concussed. But yeah he did say that, he also added that he had to read signs to know where to brake.
@@Sam77731 he was slower by nearly a second but still won the championship.
I've long thought it was obvious Massa was never the same after the incident in Hungary. There are some guys who a little bit of whatever it was they had that made them so good after big wrecks, either because of something physical or psychological. And if it is psychological I'm not implying there's anything "wrong" with them. I think you could make the case something has actually gone right as far as self-preservation is concerned. I've seen my share of horror crashes over the years and the driver even getting back in a car at all after them takes enormous courage.
In Brazil it's a common theory that he became a lot slower since the crash. I do believe this is a reference to this but also a joke about Alonso was faster
@@BiggieTrismegistus like Rossi
What the actual fuck, I was expecting some pretty outrageous theories but the hamilton and sutil theory had me laughing my ass off
It's true tho, Hamilton is definitely fruity af
1:03:38 WRC Rally Finland, formerly known as the Thousand Lakes Rally, is the fastest rally in the calendar, usually averaging speeds exceeding 120 km/h - for this reason, the rally is also called "the Grand Prix of Rallying". So, in a uniquely finnish way, Finland does have its own GP
Also, when there was a breakaway series threat in 2009/2010, the provisional calendar published by FOTA included a Finnish GP at Helsinki Thunder
They have f1 grade track to
If there ever was to be a Finnish GP it should be run on gravel
I agree with George Russell never having a puncture. If he won the race, Merc might've felt the pressure to dump Bottas a year early and promote Russell likewise. Having said, Bottas was unlucky with the pit stop problems with incorrect tyres. Maybe Merc pretended Russell had a puncture to save Bottas' blushes. Although I may say, Russell is outscoring Hamilton, but he's not outpacing him when everything is working for both drivers
I honestly think Hamilton will take over Russel by the end of the season. Might be by a very small margin, might be partly down to luck but I’m confident he’ll do it
Tbh they didn't want to ruined that last to first from Perez to take his first win
@@martinpata2899 I don’t think that’s the case. It just doesn’t make sense for a team has well oiled as Mercedes, with 8 consecutive constructors titles would throw away a race to ease someone else’s ego
@@user-eh1gc7xo7q I feel they definitely did. As dominant as the W11 was, they didn't really wanna show that anyone unprepared as GR63 was could hop into the W11 and win a race, so they basically tried to silently sabotage him as much as they could. First with the mismatched tires requiring an extra stop, but he was still basically on track to win so they told him he had a slow puncture so he had to pit. I don't believe he had a puncture and I don't believe a team like Mercedes would've made the mistake they did with the mismatching tire set (a mistake they have never made in their 10 years in F1 at the time) unless it was purposely sabotaging Russell
@@WhittleYoon Perhaps. Maybe they did. I’m not going to defend them at all if the evidence is there, but from my point of view it seems futile to throw away potential points for someone’s pride. And this was Bahrain aswell, the first race so Mercedes couldn’t say for sure that they were about to dominate (not yet at least). I don’t know. And it also seems pointless to protect Bottas ego considering they let him go anyway.
For Tier 8 Leclerc's sacrifices of it being a coincidence is not that plausible because it's human nature to work unbelievably harder when someone close to you is either struggling or not here anymore. I believe Leclerc just has spurts of motivation to dedicate whatever award to the people he is close with that are still living or gone
Edit: Leclerc is my favorite driver and not only does he use his motivation but he keeps that momentum very well. He is Human like us and he can crack but when he doesn't he shines like a star and he is on his way to reach a World Title
I was just going to comment this, also he could be feeling detached and simply not care how reckless he is. That paired with the motivation defiantly could be giving him the W's
@@lovelove-55s 👍👍👍👍👍
I think it means that, beside everyone telling him to leaving Ferrari if he want to really have a chance to be world champion, he still want to stay and win with them. But not for himself or Ferrari, he wants to win for Jules and his father
Malaysia 2017 - Vettel illegally completed the race in Kimi's car, with Kimi going to the grid in Seb's car and the team knowing that he would never be allowed to start that race:
Following the double Ferrari crash in Singapore two weeks prior, which saw Hamilton extend his championship lead significantly over Vettel (having only taken the overall lead in Italy the round before), Ferrari knew that they needed to prioritise Vettel moving forward if they were to have any chance to turn the tide on a championship that was slipping away. A new engine was put in Seb's car for the weekend, however unbeknownst to Ferrari this unit had some major issues, which became apparent in qualifying. Seb was unable to set a qualifying time due to these issues, however Kimi's car was working well with him able to set the second fastest time. In order to not break curfew while trying to diagnose the issue, as well as risking not being able to fix the issue anyway as, Ferrari decide to switch the cars. Vettel is told of this plan, Kimi is not. In direct contravention of the rules, the mechanics switch over the seats, steering wheels and adjusted the pedals of each car to each drivers requirement, as well as the decals showing the driver numbers.
Race day - Vettel is at the back of the grid in Kimi's car. The mission: overtake as many cars as possible and minimise the haemorrhaging of points to Hamilton for the second race in a row, in a championship fight that up until this point has been extremely close. Kimi is unaware that he is driving Seb's car with a compromised engine. During the warm up lap Kimi notices that he has power issues and informs the team. They tell him to pull onto the grid to see if they can fix it there in line with standard procedure. The team comes and does a performative exercise pretending to look to fix the car when they know full well this car is not going to be allowed to race, as they cannot risk the FIA scrutineering the vehicle and uncovering the ploy. Quickly the car is then wheeled off the track - this thing needs to be out of sight and out of mind. Kimi does not start the race.
Vettel starts the race and fights back admirably ultimately finishing fourth. Luckily for him and Ferrari, Verstappen has given himself the ultimate late birthday present one day after turning 20 and has driven the wheels off his Red Bull to secure victory over Hamilton, after passing him on lap 4. Overall the outcome is pretty good - only six points lost to Hamilton at a weekend that looked like it might be much, much worse. Only one last problem: how to get the car back to the pits without anyone from the FIA getting a close look at it? Ferrari knows there is only one way to do that and that is on the back of a tow truck. As Vettel drives the cool down lap he spots Lance Stoll ahead of him. Lance is on the inside so Vettel goes around him in a clumsy manner, making sure to hit his rear tyres in a way that ensures damage to his rear axel, making it impossible to limp back to the pits. The car is parked on the side of the circuit and while Vettel jumps onto Wehrlein's car to wave at the crowd, distracting everyone from looking into the bizarre event that just unfolded too much, the car is towed inconspicuously back to the garage, away from prying eyes and no one is the wiser.
Either all of that, or the Ferrari engine was just giving us a preview of its 2022 reliability in both cars and Lance Stroll can't drive properly. 😂
Geez, you should've been in scooby doo
Fantastic mystery
A true Ferrari Masterplan™
Now that is an awesome theory
Love this, sounds like something John Ficara would come up with.
I do firmly believe that George did not have a puncture, not because Mercedes saw his potential as a threat, but rather as a test to see how he would handle things not going his way and putting him under extreme stress.
As if driving a Williams wasn't enough test of character. For me the reason for not allow him to win is to not risk criticisms towards Lewis, in the vein of "it's the car, not the driver", which it was extremely clear in Sahkir. However, I think Perez would have been able to defend from Russell in a no-puncture scenario.. Russell was going fast, but not fast enough to catch Perez.
I think it’s believable until you remember f1 is a business. Particularly when you consider how Wolff, and Mercedes run their operations.
The puncture doesn’t change the fact George could have won the race, everyone knows that. And there’s no benefit for merc, if anything they made themselves look like fools
Now that is one interesting hot take if I've ever seen one.
@@tuttutteddy8889 "And there’s no benefit for merc" What benefit would winning the race have? They'd already secured both titles. I think it makes alot of sense, especially with Hamilton making such a quick comeback for the last race for no real reason. If Lewis had been in the car they'd probably have allowed him to continue the race, a certain race at Silverstone comes to mind. It's at the very least plausible that they ruined Russels race to save face for themselves and Hamilton.
"The puncture doesn’t change the fact George could have won the race, everyone knows that." Would have, but didn't.
@@Zuwze You know, the puncture in Silverstone was on the FINAL LAP. After the pit entrance....
6:00 first of all, impeccable re-creation of that question. Secondly, it's actually not a bad question, if the guy had just got to the point.
I have a theory of my own. In the 2021 season, Mercedes used Bottas for testing engine reliability. Experimenting in the races on how high they could put the engine without damaging it to much for next races. Although I’m not sure how true it holds up. It is kinda fun to think about.
Nor farfetched tbh
Nah. Mercedes have already spoken up on why they were always so much more reliable than the other teams. They have a "monster" engine that weighed like 250kg, where nothing would ever break. Then they'd use it to bolt on any new parts for reliable testing. Meanwhile other manufacturers would have multiple part fails and they wouldn't be quite sure was part A the problem or was it part B that failed which led to part A to fail too...
prob true, bottas was switching a lot of engines before ham got the famed rocket engine in brasil.
@@Nondas8552 exactly
@@DonLee1980 And you just believe whatever Mercedes say?
Try = Senna and Prost was actually a "bromance", with an unreciprocated feeling, however. I read it once on Reddit, and to some degree, it makes so much sense. Prost said that ever since Senna met him at some funky unimportant races in DTM-like Mercedes cars, Senna somehow "chose" him, from the first race it was Prost who Senna found the guy to beat.
Their personal relationship had always been bizarre and Prost revealed that for instance, back in 1988 they were to take part in a Honda event in Geneva and had lunch together at Prost's house nearby. Senna was apparently very evasive, spoke little if anything and slept through his stay at Prost's.
Obviously after the 1989 season it became even further strained. What I find interesting is what happened at the end of Prost career. Senna was desperate for Alain to remain in F1 and even convinced McLaren to sign him. He couldn't live without Alain driving alongside him. Was it just because of competitive spirit and him being an arch-nemesis? Or maybe was it because he had a huge crush on Prost, and knew that F1 race weekends were the only moments where he could see him, meet him. Without all this, Alain would be gone.
Prost revealed too that during the winter of 1994, Senna told him "something that I was meant to keep a secret all my life, never told it to anyone, not even my wife, my family". What possibly could have been so important to keep in secret? Was it the secret crush?
This is a far-fetched one, but there are even claims that Senna deliberately killed himself at Imola. Realising that Benetton was a rigged car, that he might not be challenging for the title, and that his beloved Alain is out of the sport, he no longer saw purpose in continuing. Dying a legend would immortalise him forever as one of the GOATs and make him into a God-like figure. And I must say, that no matter If purposefully, he achieved that.
What did I just read there?
@@crystalracing4794 Thanks for typing out my thoughts lmao
The ending actually would explain to some extent why Senna (who always kept his helmet on on the grid before the start of races) at Imola remained without helmet for a good chunk of the time he spent on the dummy grid. Also, if you look at footage taken in those moments, you can see that Senna looks very sad, it could be for the Ratzenberger and Barrichello shunts but still the helmet part makes it quite "interesting" a theory
During the winter of 94 Senna must have appeared as a ghost as he had been dead since May 94
@@seany8787 u know January-Feb 94 is a winter right ?
Senna being sniped is interesting. Not because I believe it, but during the 1999 season, Eddie Irvine got a letter from a fan, offering to shoot a small bullet into Mika Hakkinen's tyre at Monza that year. There is footage of him reading the letter in his Life in the Fast Lane documentary. Some Italian antics?
That made me think a little deeper. let's say the sniper story was somehow true. Maybe the sniper was originally intending to also shoot senna's Tyre but missed and hit his helmet instead. Or the sniper instead hit senna's steering column, sending him straight to the wall. Or the sniper did hit senna's tyre but sent shrapnel straight into his helmet, puncturing it
Do you people get your F1 knowledge from village idiots who shout nonsense? Everyone knows Senna braked from 305 to 213 kph and downshifted twice before impacting the Tamburello outer wall. Why don’t you read his autopsy report and note the basilar skull fracture. It’s a shame there is such a difference in human intelligence across the human race.
My favourite conspiracy theory: Michael Schumacher personally hated Williams (both the team & Frank himself) because in his mind their actions causes the death of Ayrton Senna in Imola and robbed him "passing the torch" moment for him. It also explains* his racing antics with Rubens Barrichello* in 2010* where he almost made then Williams driver racing near the pitwall considering that Barricello was his former Ferrari teammate for 6 years.
* For editing grammar, Name and year
It’s 2010 actually because Rubens already left F1 by 2012…
@@motorsportfanboy7769 sorry my bad 😐😐😐
Blimey that's deep
@@Mly92yt Ironically it was 2012 in Spain when Schumacher smashed Senna's nephew out of the race in a really dumb "accident". What car was Bruno driving? A Williams (cue X-Files music)
@@Mly92yt please fix the comment.
Seeing this and having been around to remember these, especially the 'Hamilton crane assistance' one shocked me, as in the footage you can see the other car almost crash into the crane - which is exactly what killed Jules so many years later. That there hadn't been anything learned from it at the time shocks me now, as looking back, Jules could still be with us now if that had been properly reviewed.
Cranes have been used on active race tracks for 70 years before Bianchi crashed. Stop trying to make it a thing. He died because he wrecked in the rain and he was unlucky enough to hit the one thing that could possibly kill him.
Martin Brundle in 1998 said during qualifying for the German GP after a car had gone off and track action continued with the tractor on the side recovering the car, "someone is gonna go under one of those one day. I am terrified and i don't understand why we still allow tractors on live race tracks!" Nobody took his words to heart. Brundle himself was in a near fatal accident at Suzuka in 1994. Morbidelli in the Arrows spun off at Dunlop and a tractor was sent out to recover him. Sound familiar? A lap later, Brundle slid off at the same corner and said he was heading straight for the tractor until the last second when he skidded towards the barrier. He bounced off of the barrier and struck a marshall who thankfully only suffered moderate injuries. He KNEW it would happen and said it would in 1998 and 2007 but nobody listened and Jules paid the price...
Hindsight is 20-20 mate
@@bogdanrus9402 still, isn't it smart to remove another aspect that could potentially instantly kill drivers who run off to it?
it's gonna happen eventually, so it's just better to not have the crane there, right?
Fernando's Mclaren crash is bar none my favorite F1 conspiracy
Mine too. I don't know if the electric shock is what actually happened but something weird must have gone down if McLaren lied about Alonso's condition. That the footage has never been released makes me even more suspicious.
I was on bluetooth headphones and was doing chores while listening to this. And when you mentioned "the 1939-1940 Winter War", I honestly thought CZcamsd autoplayed to a history channel
Peter Brook meets Mark Felton!
Peter Brook is Mark Felton!
My theory about the "cursed Red Bull second seat" was that those cars were just incredibly difficult to drive, and Verstappen was just really, really, REALLY good.
I think the 2019 car was alright to drive. But in 2020 you saw multiple uncharacteristic errors from Verstappen. He didn’t really make a lot mistakes in 2019 and after that year but he had some off moments in 2020. So I think there’s definitely some truth to it
Or being a driver with a wide tolerance on handling characteristics while co-developing cars with unforgiving narrow operating windows could benefit lots in in-team competition.
The same thing happened to Perez in 2023
theres a interesting interview with albon about his time as max`s teammate. he basically said max likes to have his cars to be set up extremly sensitive and compared it to cranking up the sensitivity in a racing sim to 200% and beyond. during the season while the car is being developed more everything gets more and more sensitive and thats completely contrary to what most drivers would want to have to suit their driving style. So when he showed his potential in late 2014 and throughout 2015 in the RB the car was developed due to his input, starting with a very sensitive car for the beginning of the season and only becoming more sensitive throughout the season. that resulted in them having to take more and more risks while the season developed because the car just didnt suit their preferred driving style.
thats why many teammates seemed to be close during the start of the season and the difference in pace between them and max grew bigger and bigger during the year.
41:15 If Im not mistaken this is a reference to comparing a long chain of drivers. In short Rosberg beats Hamilton, Webber beats Rosberg, Vettel beats Webber, Ricciardo beats Vettel and finally Kvyat beats Ricciardo
I'd absolutely LOVE another one with a completely different iceberg
The full iceberg explanation. That's what I have been waiting for. Thank you so much for making this video
6:11 this is an amazing impression and you deserve props. I’ve heard this sound bite 1000 times and forgot it was you speaking
Me: seeing the thumbnail and clicking on it “I wonder if Alonso’s 2015 testing crash will be on here”
Tier 7: there we go
the rare but well-timed jokes with such a monotone delivery make this easily the most entertaining iceberg video i've ever watched
Tier 8 was so anticlimactic. Just like Russell's race for Mercedes in 2020.
Ikr? What crap.
I'm with the theory that Russel didn't have a puncture and they did it just to stop Russel from humiliating Merc
Also, the Alonso Testing Crash was really weird him slowing down and suddenly turning sharply is a sign of the car having an electric issue and probably shocking Alonso
and amazing video you did a really good iceberg video
@@AlexBarbu I don't buy that explanation at all. Hamilton has beaten Russell for the last 6 races and has clearly been the better driver. Could Mercedes maybe have faked Russell's puncture to make Bottas look better? Maybe. But to justify giving Lewis number two treatment when he is clearly still the best Mercedes driver? No way.
@@aura5632 hamilton came out of qualifying in q1 in saudi, not seen the same happen to russel. Clearly russel is the better driver this season.
@@oz2362 Hamilton was trying experimental parts and setups to make it so George wouldn't end up in Q1
@@richardhobbs7360 these Hamilton haters already know that, they don't care. Once Lewis stopped using experimental setups he became clearly faster and the data he helped gather during that period really helped with developing the car.
He literally had six straight podiums with back to back p2 finishes and they're still downplaying his success, bringing up a bad performance he had in a different setup from his teammate.
It doesn't matter how good he performs, these losers will always look past that to find something to hate on him about.
Alonso definitely had some kind of failure like Senna
41:09 Hey man, I think this one's about the 1v1 driver methodology.
WTF1 has a video explaining how absurd it is, but basically if driver A beat driver B who beat driver C, then objectively driver A is better than driver C. For example, Sainz beat Leclerc in 2021, who beat Vettel in 2020-2019. Therefore Sainz>Vettel.
Considering Max is nowadays widely regarded as the best driver on the grid, then that title should be given to Kvyat, as he beat Ricciardo in 2015, who then beat Max in 2017. Therefore, Kvyat>Max
I think it’s also about Rosberg and equal machinery, beat Hamilton and Schumi in the same team. But Webber beat him, Seb beat Webber, Ric beat Seb, and Kyvat beat Ric.
@@saltybread7500 you said nico rosberg? like FIA f1 2016 world champion who beated 7 times fia f1 world champion sir Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery????
@@ztommyh5378 go back to reddit.
@@Weimerica8841 bruh
@@ztommyh5378 you have to go back.
It should have another F1 Iceberg but more specified on old years! This one's really modern focused! Great work man!!!
graham hill was the OG Massa
I watched the summary of the Russell Sakhir situation hundrends of times. And not once did it start to hurt a bit less.
That was so fixed
@@Hero_Of_Old don’t think so why would merc not want a win?
@@swxsh8955 because they already won the drivers and constructors championship. Plus, as it was mentioned in the video, a Russel win would be humiliating for Bottas and threatening Hamilton's skills, proving that it really is the car that is winning championships, not the driver.
@@carltonmann2265 The W11 must have really been a glorious expirience to drive
@@carltonmann2265 The reality is if Russell won it would have given credibility that Alonso would have handedly beat Lewis in the Mercedes
I always hate that video of Vitantonio Liuzzi sliding off at turn 1 at the Nurburgring and touching the crane - it was so close to pre-empting Jules Bianchi by around 10 years, and it was such a stupid decision for the marshalls and the crane to enter the trackside in those conditions with so many cars aquaplaning off.
DAS was not banned because it was a "moveable aerodynamic device". it literally only affected the toe angle of the front wheels allowing for less tyre scrubbing and higher top speed on straights; and it wasn't not banned the same year "because Mercedes", but because it was already deemed legal by the FIA for 2020. the FIA had to alter the 2021 regs in order to ban DAS
And one of Mercs engineers even said that they developed it and checked it with the FIA and the regulations to make sure it was legal, FIA fully understood exactly what DAS was doing and only banned it because of the protests from RB and as you said, rewrote the regs for it
its because peter realised youtube premium subscribers don’t have ads, and therefore made this entire video as an anti-hamilton/merc and also anti-anything that’s not verstappen advert and promotion. i watched the whole thing and its so obvious that hes a verstappen fan which is more than fine, i am too, but the constant “because they’re mercedes” and pokes other teams is so unnecessary and toxic.
@@AlexBarbu okay, I’m intrigued. Can you give me some specific examples, with concrete evidence that the FIA is biased towards Hamilton/Mercedes please? Because I can think of a few from last season alone that would dispute that claim but I’m intrigued to know your examples.
@@AlexBarbu firstly, that’s FOM (Formula One Management) not the FIA they are different. Secondly, you’re saying that BLM wasn’t important? That racism is not still a massive problem in the world? And lastly, that’s all opinion based, that’s not concrete evidence like I mentioned in the previous comment. So instead of coming here and spewing mindless hate, why don’t you look in the mirror and try to figure out why you hate someone you’ve never met so much.
@@AlexBarbu delusional bs
1:12:12 This refers to some people's claims that Mick isn't Michael's son due to his lacklustre pace and poor race results since his F1 debut as at the time he'd still yet to score his first points. They reasoned that a son of the legend Michael Schumacher shouldn't be this slow and should've had the "golden genes" like his father. These claims were quickly squashed after Silverstone when Mick fought wheel to wheel with Verstappen and scored his first points as well as in Austria where he battled other drivers fairly well and even defended against Lewis. The claim also fell further when pictures of an Angry Mick came out that looked near identical to pictures of Angry Michael.
"Frentzen's secret love child" 😂
Or you know, maybe a simple bit of "That's not how genes work, it's not the 1940s anymore, we're not eugenicists" should've sufficed.
1-Two races don't mean jack
2-Mick is simply nowhere near his dad, and that's normal, just like Max is much better than his old man.
I don’t think a single person ever said mick wasn’t Michael’s son, you just invented the bs for karma. Look at mick, he literally looks like Michael, how can anyone with eyes say he ain’t his son?
And no one's talking about how he was trying to honor his father's legacy in a freaking 2021 HAAS, which would be like Michael Jordan's offspring trying to live up to their father's talent in the court with a wasp's nest instead of a basketball.
In terms of the Russel Sakhir thing, everyone remembers Russel’s problems, but no one seems to remember that poor Bottas didn’t get fresh tyres
James Allison actually asked the FIA in 2019 if a DAS system could be done on a button on the steering wheel but the FIA said if they were to invent such a system, you would have to pull the wheel. The FIA thought merc wouldn’t try it but lo and behold, Merc did it. Therefore it was justified that it was banned for 2021 instead of the 2nd race in 2020
There was one time around the 2021 Austrian Grand Prix, where a Ferrari Mechanic got injured due to a driver error (I think that was Olivia Beretta driving). He was driving a Ferrari SF-70H.
I only seen that video until recently, and I believe it should belong around the bottom.
Around 2002, there was a bank called Phoenix Finance, and they wanted to race in Formula 1. So they bought some assets from Prost Grand Prix. But the FIA seemed sus about this, because they needed to pay to enter, but they didn't. This eventually led to court, and Phoenix Finance never entered. I also never heard of this until another iceberg from Reddit I saw.
I really like when one of the bullet points was just so out there and you just say no.
This was really well done and gave good insight. I’m a new fan and it’s nice learning about the sport. You got a sub
The sheer casual way you said "and then he walked into traffic 4 years later" about Stepney's suicide was wild and seemed so callus, It would be interesting to picture where ferrari or Stepney himself would be in F1 (if at in any motorsport currently) he was a very talented man.
To be honest it was kind of callous and was all the more shocking because I'd never heard about it.
To address your second point, I doubt Stepney would have been involved in motorsport ever again and him knowing that might be why he killed himself.
@@BiggieTrismegistus I presume he took his life due to the overwhelming shame of being found out and the depression that came with it. Many who where in that team still are around to this day. Same way pat Simmons was still around even after crash gate.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 While it's true that a lot of people involved in the spying and crashgate scandals around, it seems with things like that there will always be one or two people who end up ostracized for what they did. They end up as scapegoats who become the targets of everyone's scorn. It's easier to do that instead of examining and tearing down the institutions whose actions created the scandals.
@@BiggieTrismegistus feel for the bloke I really do.
@@ashleyscracemusic I had no idea he continued working in a motorsport environment after the sentencing, and I'm glad he somewhat found success after, and I can imagine the sheer shock you all felt after his passing.
Being brash and abrasive can be negative qualities sure, but to me that's not indicative of a bad person. You said your self it bred results. I believe the man was very driven, it's clear he had talent. I just think like most championship winning folks they have that quality where being good isn't good enough. It's why you get so many of the top drivers lsbled as "whiny" or "moaners" but it isn't just drivers that it attached too. When I was a young lad all be it in a different sport of rugby you had those who had that insatiable desire to win and they're now professional. Playing in the top leagues.
Your pushback against him I garuntee he respected it and that's why you got on so well. Someone having the balls to respond to him with that attitude when others maybe fearful. I wish you success in motorsport (should you continue to persuit it too)
He sounded like a good bloke and the fact you still have him in your thoughts is indicative of a good man. We all have flaws. We all have qualities that not everyone will mesh with. But it's just life. Sadly he's not with us. But he left behind one hell of a legacy with that ferrari team.
A bit surreal to see it all one after the other. It genuinely feels like there are more true conspiracies beyond the ones that have been uncovered and confirmed like crashgate.
44:50 about that with the 2012 Williams, I think the explanation you gave with that is not the exact reason why it's there. In the buildup to the Monaco Grand Prix, Pastor Maldonado said that after his win in Spain, he believed he could challenge for the title. I think that's why the '2012 Williams was a championship capable car' was there on that iceberg.
I once argued about this on a Facebook group and got told I was a fool lol
Suddenly turning into an essay about Finland
"Well I don't mind"
my personal theory is that Vettel doesn't know all of F1 champions during grill the grid finale, he wrote them all down at the bottom of his cap's brim
Thank you for filling a void I've missed for a long-long time with this type of content, love your way of presenting things. Dont change a thing and youll blow up any day now.
There should be some mention in a future iceberg about Nikita Mazepin writing a cryptic comment on George Russell's instagram attempting to 'out' him from the closet
massive effort mate. well done.
you seem like you have some sort of vendetta against hamilton 😂😂
"Carlos Sainz doesnt exist". Yes, he does. Moving on...
That killed me
cant tell you how long i've been waiting for a good f1 youtuber to do a full iceberg, tysm, ur vids are super underrated.
The “Massa was faster” I believe is referring to his sudden speed loss after the spring accident in Hungary 2009.
Both him and Rob Smedley have come out on podcasts saying he tested the 2008 Ferrari after the crash in order to see if he was ready to comeback, and ended up setting extremely similar times to prior the accident
Nope, watch the 2012 season review. Massa was asked several times to pick up the pace during that race, but he wasn't pushing. Thus, Fernando was faster than him.
@@404TVfr I know what you're trying to talk about. It's actually Germany 2010, cause of the "Fernando is faster than you". But the fact is that Fernando actually was, so the "Massa was faster" doesn't make sense in this context
@@ArthurNunes29 sorry. I got it wrong lmao. Its like 3AM though, so cut me some slack.
@@404TVfr rlx mate, we on the same boat 😂
@@ArthurNunes29 oh I am, I was just saying.
If you look at Scotland on its own (not part of the UK) it has around double the championships and way more race victories, whilst having the same population as Finland. Making it the most successful country per capita!!
Dont tell the english that cause they take credit for it
@@sportsnerd100 In England I think it works like this:
Scottish F1 driver who does poorly = Scottish
Scottish F1 driver who does well = British
Hulkenberg is literally a paradox, one of the only drivers from that generation that had a stellar junior career with winning all 3 junior formulae categorically(Hamilton, Grosjean, Hulkenberg) being the others. He and Grosjean should've achieved more in their careers. but they did well with the cars they were given!
The 2012 lotus was a decent car, as proven by Kimi. Grosjean is a horribly inconsistent driver and Nopodiumberg always crumbles under pressure. They could've achieved more, but that's on themselves not the car.
52:41 , i was just about to comment this, honestly gets you thinking of the lengths teams are willing to go to protect their most reputable / favorite driver (and/or to avoid embarrassment and humiliation i guess) and also gets you thinking how truly great of a driver russell is, i only look forward to the great achievements he’s on his way to in the sport.
Out of the more bizarre theories, I only really kinda believe in the Sakhir 2020 GP.
It's just far too much bad luck and team mistakes in one race. That failed pit-stop, if it were Ferrari, yeah maybe plausible, but Mercedes? Ok, very weird but hey, there's always a first I guess. But than that "genuine" slow tyre puncture with 10 rounds to go, each being under a minute?
It all just seems far too convenient. Plus Merc also had both championships in the bag at that point
Was it because they didn't want to humiliate Bottas or even Hamilton? Maybe it was so to not shine more light onto Russel and put some sort of public pressure on them in giving him the 2021 seat?
Merc didn't want people to know that it truly was the car and not the driver. Not a fan of George but thats a fk'd up thing to do to a future driver of your team. He should've won, but I guess saving Hamiltons @$$ from being embarrassed was more important to Merc
even though I've been watching F1 for almost a decade, and have already heard a lot of these F1 slung terminologies/theories, I seriously enjoyed your video. Well done!
48:26 i think the entry is refearing to that F1 broadcast team has not show him on tv.A good example is the austrian gp of 2019 when he overtake a ton of drivers to finish in the points.the 2019 brazilian gp that he was show only 4 times and manage to go to p20 to finish p4 and with a hamilton penalty p3.And most of the races where he overtake a ton of drivers to go back in the points is not that show.From 2021 to 2022 this thing change but from 2015 to 2019 this a thing
Allegedly, his lack of appearances on camera is (and this is a conspiracy on its own) due to Heineken strong-arming F1 into not showing Carlos, because of Sainz' sponsor Estrella Galicia. The reason is down to Heineken and Estrella being competitors in the beer market.
Surprised not a single mention of Martin Donnelly's Jerez crash on here, his car LITERALLY DISINTEGRATED AND HE WAS LEFT MOTIONLESS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TARMAC.
Because Peter Brooks can’t make up nonsense about that
Okay I’m 38:35 I gotta pause the video cause I have a interview soon but, this video is amazing. Great job Peter, this video is going to be huge
how'd the interview go?
Hope you smash that interview.
@@bernardjazz6344 @right hand thanks guys it went great! Back to the video 🤘
Blow off the interview. Job isnt worth it
The reason DAS was deemed legal was because it was specifically the steering wheel controlling the direction of the front wheels. If it was a separate switch or lever, it would have been illegal. Mercedes were specific and clever. FIA don't care what team it is.
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why was it banned next year then?
@@macjalac5845 cause it cost too much, other teams cried about it
@@macjalac5845 because the FIA changed the rules to make it illegal for the next season. It was against the spirit of the rules, but not the rules directly, like many loopholes often are.
@@macjalac5845 because redbull relentlessly pushed for it to be banned even after the fia confirmed that it was legal earlier on. Basically they kept throwing a tantrum until the fia caved and banned it.
I loved that Finland part. You perfectly captured the essence Finland. Although I don’t think it takes 2 years to get your drivers licence. Sisu is the closest thing we have to ”racing genes” :D
The “that's raidillon actually” bit on WTF1 was them making fun of Crofty for correcting the live tv coverage during the previous years Belgian GP I believe
Been waiting for this one, awesome work!
Less go that's what I was waiting for
What a great and fun video. Glad to see the hard work has paid off and good luck on future growth of the channel!
Great video and breakdown. I'm kind of surprised that the Renault 2019 break bias mess wasn't also on the iceberg.
Great video. Doing the iceberg properly was always going to be a hit.
My favourite conspiracy is Pirelli gave Williams a different set of tyres in Brazil 2012 to commemorate Williams time in f1 and the fire in the garage was to cover it up.
Obviously untrue but fun nonetheless
The fire was in Senna’s garage not Maldonado’s and the idea they’d have to cover it up with a fire is ridiculous. Particularly one that was extinguished so quickly
This was entertaining as hell , but what the hell was that sutil - Hamilton relationship one 🤣😂
It's true dammit😂 Hamilton is fruity af
Great video. I appreciate the amount of time you must put into every video, from ranking every F1 car of the 2010s to this. Thank you for the content!
really good video, keep up the great work!
1:02:17 damn, I wasn't expecting that call out from out of nowhere 😭😂
I still can’t believe you don’t have at least 10k subs keep up the work!!!
Hey man well done. I can't believe the efforts you took for this. Also the burn at the end for ralfs son was cold💀
Once Again another great Vid Peter
Love these podcast style longer vids
Learning things about F1 that even as a lifelong fan I never knew 👍
Best F1 video I have watched in ages. Well done!
Can't believe someone would take the time to thoroughly explain all this, you are a legend! I didn't even feel the video was ove 1hr long. Just suscribed!!
There's more to the Lauda story, as he tested the Jaguar in 2002 (he was almost 60) expecting to match current drivers but in fact he never completed a full lap with the car after some s🅱️inalla of his own
This was amazing to watch, great video :)
Waiting since yesterday. As always really good content.
I've already listened to this episode on Patreon, but the editing of the video makes it worth watching it again :)
Just such unique F1 content, lovely
bro really read the entire "gentlemen..." speech. respect.
Could you repeat the question? 😂
Great video you hit 30k views already keep up the great work man youre doing great
I really enjoyed this, thank you! Your open and honest thoughts are refreshing. Subbed for more.
The cursed red bull second seat is possibly just Verstappen being incredibly quick and aggressive, that would be my thoughts
And that the Red Bull car is made for Max. Max is their golden boy, of course they’d want to mould the car around him to make him happy. He’s a massive selling point for the Red Bull brand.
@@Verziroo Danny Ric also performed well in the red bull car, similar dive bomb aggressive style as Verstappen. Different generation of car but still
I associate your voice with down to earth, in depth analysis of F1 events, so hearing you say "S🅱️inalla" is very strange. I dig it tho
Banging video honestly, i love stuff like this
I won't say I knew everyone one of these, but a lot of them. And of those you nailed it just how I remember them.
Class video. Very good. Subbed.
thank you so much for covering this! this is some stuff I never imagined being covered! we all owe you a couple of hours!
I downvoted this video. So much nonsense obvious to the people who were there and who actually know. This is pure nonsense. E.g. to claim Senna was shot in the head while everyone knows he braked and downshifted before impact. And so many more examples. This entire video is for gullible children eating popcorn.
This video is an absolute work of art. I applaud you
the effort that went into the 30 Years ago was the best thing I've ever heard.
Your ‘30 years ago…’ Journalist impression is absolutely 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻😎
Awesome vid thank you for all the research!