Video není dostupné.
Omlouváme se.
Southwest plane came within 400 feet of the ocean near Hawaii as it descended
Vložit
- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- The FAA is investigating a Southwest plane that came within 400 feet of crashing into the ocean off the coast of Hawaii due to "inclement weather," causing an aborted landing attempt at Lihue Airport.
Subscribe to ABC News on CZcams: abcnews.visitl...
ABC News Digital is your daily source of breaking national and world news, exclusive interviews and 24/7 live streaming coverage.
Download the ABC News app for the latest headlines and alerts: abcnews.go.com...
Watch 24/7 coverage of breaking news and live events on ABC News Live: • LIVE: Latest News Head...
Watch full episodes of World News Tonight with David Muir here: • ABC World News Tonight...
Read ABC News reports online: abcnews.go.com
ABC News is the home to the #1 evening newscast “World News Tonight” with David Muir, “Good Morning America,” “20/20,” “Nightline,” “This Week” with George Stephanopoulos, “ABC News Live Prime” with Linsey Davis, plus the daily news podcast “Start Here.”
Connect with ABC News on social media:
Facebook: / abcnews
Instagram: / abcnews
TikTok: / abcnews
X: / abc
Threads: www.threads.ne...
LinkedIn: / abcnews
Me arriving home to news that I could be in the ocean right now. 😅
This happened months ago....you JUST arrived home??
😂@@KaentukiTheFuki
@@KaentukiTheFuki manefest
Did your feet get wet as the plane skipped along the water for a period of 15 minutes?
@@jerrycallo took a cat nap for a minute , woke up on landing to soggy pant bottoms 😅
The experts saying there's nothing for passenger to worry about is worrisome
Worry about your ride to the airport is more realistic
True. The 737 needs to be retired. Permanently!
@@BruiserFL Not realistic. Nothing to replace it with atm.
@@BruiserFLfalse 737 needs better quality control and atm there’s only the a320 for flights now and it would cause a big dent to the economy
same bs boeing has killed hundreds
Dive bombing into the ocean is more than concerning…
DEI Matt Walsh has a very informative presentation about this.
It was not dive bombing into the ocean.
bad reporting. never divebombed
The concerning part is the first officer pushed the nose down and cut the power.
@@andyreidsmustache9247 you don’t even know why.
The fact that the plane was at 400 before the Captain had to instruct the FO to increase thrust is also very troubling as the non flying pilot is the "observer" member of the cockpit crew.
Regards from South Africa
Pilot problems ... 🍸🥴
Things happen pretty fast when your descending that rapidly but ya… captn shouldve taken controls before it got that bad
@@kellysunseri-adams8550Thirty year pilot here; they don’t happen that fast. Waiting for details
The report said the plane descended to 400 AGL. Captain would have spoken up prior to 400 or the plane would have gone below 400. Lots of momentum descending at that sink rate to turn the plane around to climb.
They cant possibly be telling the whole story here. Its a bunch of execs covering their ass’s
An 8500 fpm climb? That's more than aggressive! Holy cow!
Spongebob: MAXXIIMUUUUM POOOWWWEEERRRRR
Oh yeah the terrain escape maneuver is pretty wild. Especially with a low amount of fuel on board.
737 Max 8 seems really problematic
@@ObviouslyNotABlackadder Seems to climb like an SOB though.
Yeehaw
Inexperienced F.O. was not properly monitored by captain. Both should be disciplined or fired.
Likely disciplined.
Nobody getting fired. It'll be a retraining.
That's BS. Accidentally held the yoke down and reduced the power at the same time... this isn't his first time in plane... They are protecting Boeing.
@@Panthers1521just stop it. Ridiculous statement
@@Panthers1521 You're an idiot.
0:29 is that graph accurate? If so, that’s an insane altitude path ✈️
yes
That graph was a climb to cruise altitude (~16000ft), then a normal decent to final approach (2000 ft), and that's where the situation unfolded. ABC is sensationalizing it.
@@burnn3 yeh, I think they scrunched it up on the x-axis so it’s misleading visually while being technically accurate
yes as on average southwest does that flight in about 30 to 45 minutes
I don't trust a graph that doesn't label the X-axis and neither should you. Typical garbage reporting.
What I find really troubling is that the captain allowed the first officer To come with 400 feet of the ocean. The captain should have taken the controls much earlier.
What on Earth is happening in the Skies recently???? There seems to be an increase in airline incidents all over the world...
It’s okay jebus is coming
DEI hiring. Straight up. I work for United. They actively recruited and encouraged students who don't give a flying fudge about airplanes to apply as pilots in their training program so they can make 6 figures and post about it on instagram. I literally spoke to someone in the United aviate program that said exactly that. 19 year old kid, immature, talking about flying airplanes for a living cause of the pay and only cause of the pay. It will only get worse.
Just the media fishing for sensational headlines
These are perfectly normal events. Not a big deal at all.
@@TheBaggadonuts Spot on. You're exactly right.
Back in the day (sigh, way back) pilots used to have thousands of hours under their belt BEFORE they flew commercial, many pilots flew for the military first.
Back to the future, desk pilots fly computer flight sim and sleep at Holiday Inn.
Military pilots that's true. In fact I flew a lot in the 70s. You could always tell if a pilot was in the Navy or in the Air Force by the way they landed. Ex Navy would land both wheels at the same time and very intentional. The Air Force would land with one wheel and then the other and land like butter.
Smooth like a Knife one leg at a time first it was joojle balloons and now microsoft Gta flight simulator and mental duress “pilots” hell the majority can’t fly propeller or duster aircraft why are they flying aeroplanes 😂😂😂😅😅🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🙈
And DEI wasn't a thing.
In the 60s United hired pilots with 200 hrs total
How are we just hearing about this now? Does that pilot have a death wish? Who the hell nose dives an airliner and then does an aggressive 180?
There’s something very strange going on at Southwest. Ever since the meltdown during the holidays in 2022, it seems they have gotten off track and aren’t the same airline. I have flown them for years, but the experience is not great any longer. Fight attendants no longer friendly, the WiFi is never working, the planes seem old. And now more of these incidents…it just doesn’t feel like a good choice any longer.
You remind me one of those people that hears there’s a gas shortest, and immediately go
Fill up with gas.
@@christerry1773 That’s cute.
Southwest got into trouble for not doing the fixes on the tails controls, remember?? Just a few years ago...
This is one of the worst examples of sensationalism I’ve seen. The approach was mishandled, certainly, and there should be consequences, probably, but plane normally descended to intercept the approach. It did not plummet from 16k feet
Ummm, you do realize it was at 32k feet and dropped to 400 feet? lmfao
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143there’s 0 chance it dropped 31k feet just like that on an approach. You’re not even at 32k feet on an approach
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143that was not the case. 🙄
Jake, your waisting your time here trying to explain anything to anyone on here. Media loves to drive up the sensationalism, people like the @arsenioseslpodcast, take everything as factual, and the misinformation spreads like wildfire.
How many FAA will investigate??? Too many close calls
A close call is getting it in vehicle everyday
Its a Boeing😂
That first officer’s major airline career just ended.
for GOOD reason
DEI?
@@PhoenixBook1898 No you’re an idiot.
Yeah right…. Nothing to worry about.
Finally somebody gets it. Noting to be worried about
An inexperienced pilot... DEI hire probably. We seen this coming but were call racists for it.
Bro you have no fucking idea wtf the rqce is of the pilot you jackass but it's ofc a dei hire...what a dad pathetic reality you live in, learn to code loser
There hasn't been a major commercial aviation incident in the US since 2009, the longest such streak in aviation history. From an odds perspective, you'd need to fly every day for over 24,000 years to die in a commercial aviation incident in the US.
True, but with all the inexperienced new-hires recently at the majors and low-cost carriers, its just a matter of time.
@@BruiserFL 1,500 hours for a regional is inexperienced? 5k for a Major is inexperienced? What's experienced to you?
Major Airlines outside the US hire pilots at 250 hours. A Southwest new hire copilots has 50x that experience....
DEI hiring will cause something to happen soon. Im already seeing it in the aviation community and im a mechanic. Its all the way from ATC to pilots to mechanics. They need to stop hiring DEI and hire qualified people.
@@BruiserFL You need more experience NOW than in the past to become an airline pilot in the US. What are you talking about?
@@COVID-cm4rn What requirements have been lowered for pilots to accomodate DEI?
"Nothing for passengers to be concerned about"… until the crash.
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing... !!! 😮
Yes ther applies to any aspect of life. Good observation
I’m not sure the aviation expert you featured is that much of an expert. The NTSB does not have the authority to ground a fleet. The NTSB is an investigative body and also makes recommendations. It would take the FAA to ground the fleet.
The runway is very close to the ocean, so 400 feet is normal as when you land on a seaside runway, you can be just 100 feet above the ocean.
Plummeting 4000ft per minute is not
@@carramrod8232do you know what you just said actually means
@@carramrod8232 That isn't plummeting. The descent rate was the same as the ascent rate. ABC sensationalized the story to scare you. Don't forget ABC news used Kentucky gun range footage to make Trump's troop withdrawal look bad and they use Italian hospital footage to fake a covid crisis in New York.
“Nothing for passengers to worry about.” Yeah right 🤦♂️
Off course… keep hiring more inexperienced pilots not because of their flight hours rather of their race to be “fair”…🤦🏻
Except for a brief few seconds after pulling out of a dive, a 737 canNOT climb @ 8,500 ft/min! That's fighter-jet-trainer (T-45, Alpha Jet, etc.) performance!
At sea level with 50ish minutes of fuel, maximum thrust, and at a terrain escape maneuver attitude? Yes it absolutely can. Grap the FCOM and plug the numbers.
@@WestAirAviation Which is essentially what I said, i.e. it can trade high airspeed for that rate-of-climb, aka "momentum climb", for the few seconds it takes the airspeed to bleed off, but it does NOT have the thrust-to-weight ratio for a *sustained climb* at that rate. But moot in this case, the only terrain was the ocean, and the LameStream Media is hyping a badly-executed Missed Approach (i.e. got almost 500' below MDA!) as a "PLUNGE into the OOOO-shun!"... because, hey, advertising revenue. 🙄🤨
Maybe a 757 could but definitely not a 737 lol
@@MajorCaliber Sorry Captain. Didn't mean to insult your intelligence. I mistook you for saying the 8,500 ft/min climb was a falsehood. You can definitely do it to 2,500 or whatever other altitude is on the missed approach procedure.
DEI at its finest
WTH?
It's always a 737 Max. This is why I'm filtering these models out on Kayak when I make a reservation.
It shows your lack of knowledge about aeronautics. 😂 Whether you fly an Airbus or Boeing if it's a pilot error there's nothing you can do. Are you going to filter pilots as well? 😂
• The Boeing whistle blowers would agree 👍
@@winterflakes101okay Boeing representatives
@@Hmonks I am literally working at Airbus here in Oegstgeest. What about you? Where do you work? oh yeah, are you one of those who got their degree on Netflix or CZcams University and suddenly acted online as an aviation expert? 😂
Of course, blame boeing, when pilot error occurs. P*ss off
Nothing to see here. The experts have itbunder controll. Just like in 2020
As a former airline pilot, I am not sure I trust the reporting. Pure speculation on my part without the facts but here is a plausible scenario. The pilots were descending on the instrument approach from 16000 ft, not plummeting from 16000 ft. As they were getting closer to the ground, most likely below 2500ft, the first officer was hand flying with the autopilot disconnected. The first officer inadvertently pushed forward on the yoke and caused the decent rate to increase (4000 fpm was reported). It does not take much of a push to increase from 1500 to 4000 when your already pitched down descending. If the autothrottles were connected and it sounds like they were, the throttles would have retarded automatically when the nose was pitched over to maintain the airspeed they were set to maintain. The action of retarding the throttles would also increase the decent rate. So, the slight pitch down from the FO at the same time the reduction of power would easily get you to a 4000 rate of decent. I am not saying this is a good thing, especially when you are within 2000 feet of the ground. As a matter of fact, it's a condition that would prompt a go around which it sounds like what happened. Now the second part. The climb back up. When the throttles (power levers) are retarded to idle thrust and your push them forward to increase thrust, there is a lag that takes 1 to 2 seconds before the turbines spools up. When you simultaneously increase the pitch which the FO would have done to slow his decent rate or possibly initiate a go around at the same time the turbines spool up, you will climb like a rocket (reported 8,500 fpm) which is what was reported. Again, this is all speculation but a very plausible scenario. I am not saying this is the case without knowing all the facts, but what could have been a mistake by the FO that was corrected with a faster climb rate than was needed is being reported by the media as "everyone almost died as 737 max plunges from 16000 ft down to 400 ft above the ocean". Just saying.
One other comment about the Captain letting the less experienced FO fly the plane in bad weather. What is the definition of bad weather? If bad weather means the clouds were so low, they had to fly an instrument approach? If it was the FO's turn to fly (each pilot flies one takeoff and landing and then they switch) then of course the Captain let the FO fly. Would you want to have a FO upgraded to Captain who never flew an instrument approach because he was less qualified than the Captain? Now if the weather was extremely bad, (wind shear, crosswind component close to max allowed, heavy ice on runway and braking action reported as poor) I could see the Captain say, "hey let me take this leg". I have done that before. But not for a low cloud deck instrument approach. That's good practice and the FO is perfectly qualified and trained for that scenario.
Not sure what capabilities the Kauai airport has but wouldnt you be able to shoot a CAT I,II, or III approach?
This sounds like the MCAS failures that happened in the past with these models where pilots have to figure out how to override it before they hit terrain/water there are a half a dozen cases of this
@@OracleofDelphiTarot This was different. Some additional info would suggest the FO initiated a missed approach but then allowed the aircraft to descend before taking corrective action. Appears to be pilot induced.
@@COVID-cm4rn Yes, but as you suggest, I don't know if the airport has a runway that is certified for those approaches. Not only the airport/runway but the aircraft and the pilots would need those certs.
0:28 does that the flight have loosing altitude from 16000 feet to 400feet (a pause around 4000 feet) shortly after take off? And, nobody appear to notice it?
How that,”DEI Hires”, working out? What a joke!
In 1982 or 1983, I was flying on a JAL flight from Osaka to Oahu and when we landed on this very runway shown, we outran the runway and our front wheel got buried in the sandy beach. No problem, a fire truck ran out to the plane, hooked on to the tail and pulled us back to the terminal like it happens every day. Didn’t even make the local news!
JAL flight 123 did make worldwide news though....
The nose DOES NOT bounce up and down if it's only a RUDDER issue, they are lying. The plane was reaching stall speed, which caused left to right, and the nose to bounce up and down, a Dutch Roll. You regain control by increasing speed.
Not be concerned about it, BS! Both Boeing 737 Max's, GTFO of here!
I'm telling you in my 58 years I've never heard Soo many near misses and just plain incompetent pilots in the news. This is either DEI or Mechanical Issues either way I'll take my chances in my car thanks
So you'd also know that there hasn't been a major commercial aviation incident in the US since 2009, the longest such streak in aviation history. You'd also know that from an odds perspective, you'd need to fly every day for over 24,000 years to die in a commercial aviation incident in the US, correct?
If it's a Boeing, I ain't going.
Pilot error. Ugh lord. The passion of flying and finesse of flying doesn’t seem to be there
Something disconnected and it took them a while to figure it out and fix it amazingly. Doubtful but possibly
Pilot was juiced up 🥴)))
@@jamescalifornia2964don't make up stupid stuff
@@johnmckeon4498 - Take your own advice💯
Possibly the 1500 Hr rule. Gives pilots more time to pick up bad habits.
It's often the "most" experienced pilots that causes accidents due to complacency.
I say get them earlier but not 200 Hr like Europe, and a bit tighter on procedure.
Once again the bias in new reporting comes to lite. About two weeks ago, a Spirit Airlines pilot stated they may need to make an emergency ditch in the Caribbean and ABC reported it...but never mentioned the aircraft manufacturer or model. That same weekend, a United A320neo made an emergency landing due to fire on board in Chicago...ABC never reported on it. About a week before that an A320Neo belonging to Delta caught on fire at the gate...also not reported on the aircraft model. Yet, here, both times they go out of their way in emphasize 737MAX8. Southwest is the largest buyer of MAX8's and they make up close to half their fleet now. But Airbus jets make up 100% of Spirit's fleet and a sizable chunk are neos, so why is it that the Boeing is emphasized? You are a professional news agency. If I want sensationalism I would get my news from CZcams VLoggers...or FOXNews.
Are the pilots taking a nap? Good thing the airplane woke them up before crashing into the ocean. These pilots should never fly again.
What do you think they are doing after take off and before landing. They aren’t flying that’s for sure.
May have been doing some hanky panky lol
DEI pilots.
BOEING 737 MAX‼️OF COURSE ‼️
I thought it was safe ever since the last accidents a couple years ago 🤔
Goose: "No. No, Mav, this is not a good idea."
Maverick: "Sorry, Goose, but it's time to buzz the tower."
This was probably pilot error. Airports usually have a set of red and white glide path lights on the side of the end of the runways, that guides pilots to the correct altitude for landing. There located in a housing with a divider plate across the lamps. All white lights means you coming in too high, all red lights you coming in too low. Half white and half red, means you coming in correctly.
Or DEI on the job training
😂 ahhh ah ah some things started making sense in my head. Thanks for commenting
It’s called the glide slope…and the localizer
Can't see those lights when the clouds are low. Those lights are to give vertical path guidance in clear weather.
@@nassaubayroofing IFR flying is a different story. Since your relying more on your instruments, localizer and ILS to land, rather then lights. Providing if those two services exist at that particular airport or runway.
Has anyone actually watched the flight path lol. It never even attempts to land in Lihue like everyone keeps reporting it returned to HNL and descended to 400ft on approach ofc it was within 400ft of the ocean
Sounds like a DEI (didn't earned it) pilot that's in control.
Yeah them white pilots sure mess up sometimes, huh?
@@itsvictoroyedeji I agree. White pilots don't mess up as much as non-white pilots.
@@bensonyau2302 where's the proof?
@@itsvictoroyedeji Where's your proof?
Yeah as much as I think DEI is stupid airlines still have to follow standards of hiring licensed pilots when they select them, even if there is a dei program the pilot is still licensed, so while I think DEI is overall a bad thing, it has most certainly never played a role in any aviation incidents!
DEI staff ???
next time someone will “accidentally” fly into a building or just suddenly drop from the sky and never gain altitude. Funny times we’re in
@@opticalmixing23 agreed
@@opticalmixing23 do you have a IG? CZcams tends to be sensitive sometimes.
Stop talking, just please stop
@@christerry1773 no
This is definitely something to be concerned about the NTSB did not ground the first 737 after a crash, at the end of the day, they work alongside Boeing and don’t care about safety
You don't ground an entire fleet because of one crash.
@@erauprcwa and because of that decision lion air and Ethiopian airlines became history🤷♂️
@@kevinbaskaran4716 As I will repeat, YOU DO NOT GROUND AN ENTIRE FLEET DUE TO ONE CRASH.
@@erauprcwa after the Alaska airlines mid air blow out, fleets were in fact grounded get your information correct🤷♂️
@@kevinbaskaran4716 That wasn't a crash, it was an incident. Also, because of the Lion Air and Ethiopian crash, that's why Alaska opted to ground their fleet before the FAA mandated the entire fleet of 737-9 airplanes were to be grounded.
Too many young pilot and in experience…
Age doesn’t qualify experience
I just took flight on southwest at Hawaii and it's very smooth and pleasant.
More than 90% of flights will be smooth & pleasant but Here is the Truth:
Climate shifts can happen
I read The air pockets for turbulence are becoming increasingly & unpredictably unstable especially in areas near & over large bodies of water with drops of 400ft in seconds that's why #1 remain buckled up the ENTIRE flight & avoid overseas flights even Hawaii I'll do a Cruise for that
Wow! Southwest sucks. Not flying with them anymore.
I’m sure you don’t fly much, so you shouldn’t worry….
You can’t blame the airline for this.
Southwest has always been cheaper, have you no research ! This is normal stuff though, faaarrrrr more mild than so much of aviation history. Far far mild.
Yeah, like ValueJet... remember them? From the 1990s.
They were the cheapest airline going. What they were
doing, in addition to passengers, they were hauling
hazardous chemicals for companies to get
extra revenue. They were flying north from Miami
with a cargo area full of flammable liquids,
which were not sealed correctly. The plane got
as far as north Florida when the chemicals spilled
and caught fire and filled the plane with
smoke. They turned around and tried to go
back to Miami but crashed in the Everglades.
They all died.@@herehere3139
If Southest suxs, what about Spirit or Frontier???
Unfortunately the first officer on that flight will not be fired he will just be sent back to retraining. Whether he learns anything or not soon down the road that same first officer will be a captain in charge of an airplane. For me that’s the scary part!
"Less experienced F.O." is flying...apparently not being monitored by pilot. No one looking at gauges, etc?
BOTH planes Boeing 737 Max. UGH.
What could go wrong?
Apparently, anything....and way too often.
Who the heck is Southwest hiring theses days?
Boeing planes falling apart, crazy turbulence on Singapore Airlines and now a Southwest pilot almost crashed into the ocean. All these incidents are making me not want to fly - what is going on in aviation?
Pilots are falling apart, too .. ! 😳
Last time I checked Boeing was out of Washington state. But go ahead and tell us how it's China 😆. You should go get checked out@@jamescalifornia2964
More like airline incompetence.
Just watch the netflix Boeing documentary and you'll understand why any Boeing plane built in the last 20 years is a potential ticking time bomb.
Boeing rid of that whistleblower (and another one I believe) and it’s been real quiet. They don’t care ‘cus they all rich enough to fly private, they don’t got to worry about their plane doing tricks and dips
Why didn't southwest announce this. Another 737 max mishap. Never would fly on one. Ever.
if you see that the "pilot" is a black woman run off the plane
Not safe
0:32 highly doubt weather would do that. More on wings and engines I’m thinking that the engines are gasping for more power.
A mix of inclement weather and an inexperienced first officer.
DEI employees
Could very well be a microburst
@@ohwhataday7171you fell for fear mongering. You are uninformed.
New DEI pilots perhaps?
At this point anyone flying in a Boeing is doing so at their own expense. Given the facts if people wannna risk their lives blame is on them and not just with Boeing. Even the employees call the planes ticking timebombs. I wanna face death someday but not cos of my own stupidity.
So if your Uber driver crashes his Toyota by his own mistakes , you going to blame Toyota ? 🤣
I'd somewhat agree with your comment if they were both Max 8's. The one near Hawaii seems like a pilot error and not a result of the manufacturer.
@@CatoctinAreaB Dutch roll may be pilot error, too. The rudder control mechanism could be an indication the pilot over corrected,...and that has been know to cause a crash.
@somaday2595 yep, I remember what happened in New York when that pilot was slamming on the rudder pedals to get out of the wake turbulence.
@@SkyBear0509 Yes if the said Toyota car has got a history of failures on the road. I'm surprised you won't.
Great example of what we will see in the future as we use DEI as a measure of pilot skill. The Captain should be relieved of responsibilities immediately for failure to assume the controls when obviously the missed approach was going south.
1:21 we could go up, we could go down, we could go back, forward, side to side.
I'm glad I never fly SWA.
I don't think Southwest is the primary issue here
OMG!!!
This is why I just don't fly anymore. We live in a world where people no longer matter.. and accountability is a thing of the past. Best of luck to you all up there. You'll need it.
How can you land on a small island without getting close to the ocean?
That is a fact!
That’s horrifying. 😳
More 90% of flights will be smooth & pleasant but CLIMATE SHIFTS can happen
Here is the Truth:
I read The air pockets for turbulence are becoming increasingly & unpredictably unstable especially in areas near & over large bodies of water with drops of 400ft in seconds that's why 1 remain buckled up the ENTIRE flight & avoid overseas flights even Hawaii I'll do a Cruise for that
So far, The Legacy MSM has done a worse job than the flight crew, BUT... what NON-pilot 3rd-Grade Bubba wrote this in an official SWA memo: "... the less-experienced First Officer inadvertently pushed forward on the control column, then *cut the speed* _causing_ the airplane downward." Perhaps cut the POWER? Causing the airplane to DESCEND? SMH...
Fly _SOUTHWEST_ - for the ride of your life ! ✨️ 🙏
MCAS system I would assume sense its the max 8. i would avoid flying these.
MCAS could be the Hawaii issue but the Dutch Roll could've been an old issue with the 737.
But if it was the first officer, that would be more concerning. Since they could've pushed the controls forward.
After that, they trim the aircraft. If the weather was bad, it could feel normal, even though they were diving in the ocean.
As for the other issue.
The 737 used to have an issue with Rudder Hardover with the Power Control Unit (PCU).
That should've been redesigned to make Rudder Hardover impossible but that would be more concerning.
@@trilight3597 It could have been the jack screw that needs maintenance. They are flying less, have less planes in the sky since covid and can’t even keep them maintained
I dont want to get on a plane again for a while
Southwest flying to Hawaii is like Alaskan Airlines flying to Mexico. Stay within your territory.
To quote an excellent comment.... "The "s" in Boeing stands for safety!" 😂
Please no one say BOEING, it's not worth risking your life.
dmn…… just read this on the dutch news, barely survived it 🥶🥶
My grampa had a last name in Dutch. His last name was Vandiver. People used to say "Van Die Ver" by mistake. The i. in his last name wasn't supposed to be pronounced as though it were a long i.
Very informative news coverage.
All the experienced pilots were pushed out during covid, now they got anyone and everyone who has training.
Not true.
Bad pay. treating pilots like 😮crap . Lack of work motivation and pride. Firing experienced pilots and replacing them
You sound uninformed.
Fortunately, Microsoft Copilot prevented the Southwest plane from going 600 feet below the surface of the ocean near Hawaii.
The term "dutch roll" sounds racist to me. Can we please rename it to a culturally sensitive name?
DEI roll?
Nederlanders yaw.
Pitch roll and yaw, yeah!!
this is satire right?
Dutch Rudder😆
These are pilot issues. Not aircraft issues.
Any company with the word "Spirit" is known for being cheap. That's like Aviation 101
Reporting on every indiscretion in commercial aviation with big hands Dave. Southwest the current target. Not biting ABC
This is what happens when you lower standards, treat quality control as an avoidable expense and put training on screens instead of with flesh and blood humans in real aircraft or faithful simulators. Not every thing can be reduced to computer based learning. Just wait until they get AI involved.
It took decades of dedication by pilots, airlines, manufacturers, the FAA and NTSB to make flying the safest way to travel. Now experience and regulation are 'stifling competition'. Welcome to late stage capitalism. I bet you flight insurance makes a big come back.
Lower standards? Pilot hiring standards have gone up over the past 15 years, not down. We're way more stringent than any other country on Earth. To be a Southwest pilot you need 50x the hours of the pilot flying an airliner in Singapore or London.
@@WestAirAviation Yep, but the training is being done for a lot of in on screens, especially at commuters, who you can tell me have high standards.
@@CustomBPS Endeavour and Sky West have an amazingly thorough training and IOE program to get 1,500 hour CFI's into the groove of airline flying. It's actually very stringent, not everyone passes. Moreover the CRJ isn't fully automated - It doesn't even have an autothrottle.
I just think the training nowadays is better not worse, but I guess that's just like my opinion.
@@WestAirAviation Maybe at your shop. Read some NTSB accident reports for commuters. I know they've upped the hours, but the 737 Max differences training was on iPads and that helped kill hundreds of people.
MCAS system is AI and why all these planes keep crashing
Airlines blaming the pilots again instead of Boeing…
First Officer Under The Bus 😂😂😂
They would ground the fleet?? Just how they grounded those Boeing crashes dies to MCAS?
“The NTSB would have grounded the fleet if they saw something to be concerned about.”
Like they did almost a year after the MAX disasters?
Well one factor has to be the brain drain. The older knowledgeable people have retired and the younger up and comers have yet to get to that level of expertise, but are required to maintain the same standard of performance.
Old people don't teach young people anything because young people can learn a skill and use it to profit. Old people are afraid of getting decoronated.
Southwest use to be safe smh
I wonder if it's the Russians or Chinese hacking the jets.
Bank Angle! Bank Angle! I SAID BANK FUCKING ANGLE!!
A REAL DOOZY 🛫
Shocked by the lack of basic flying skills evident in that first incident.
Facts: As of February 2024, there have been a total of 529 aviation accidents and incidents involving all 737 aircraft, which have resulted in a total of 5,779 fatalities and 234 hull losses.
Boeing Whistleblower: Two murdered and a third lives in terror.
From when to February 2024?
Obviously when 737 was manufactured
@@OracleofDelphiTarot So whats the deal breaker?
These incidents are somehow viewed as related in the presentation of the video, and they are not. The first appeared to be pilot error, pure and simple, and was by far the more serious of the two. The second is the unfortunately named “dutch roll,” wherein the plane DOES NOT roll, but describes a continuous attitude change that may best be described as the nose of the aircraft describing a continuous figure-8.
What is inescapable is that ANYTHING that happens on a Boeing 737 will be conflated into the ongoing media microscope focused on Boeing. The Boeing 737 is one of the most widely used passenger airliners in the world, and things are going to necessarily happen more often. While the incidents reported are not routine, if it were not for all the OCD media coverage of Boeing, #2 would never have been reported. And, I repeat: #1 was PILOT ERROR, not a plane problem.
Note: 'All planes in the air still safe to fly'? This is where the faux PR messages, which have become standard responses, should be considered as felonies by default.
How was this published as news? ADS-B data shows a normal descent, followed by a normal approach and missed (go around) supposedly due to weather.
The missed approach may have been handled poorly by the first officer, but nothing like the story published here.
THIS AIRCRAFT DID NOT PLUMMET AND IT DID NOT CLIMB AT 8500FPM. This is public information
For the first flight.
One of the main runways at Honolulu is surrounded by the ocean on three sides. The plane was coming in for a landing during heavy rain conditions. I speculate the FO was assigned landing duties and miss judged the distance of the runway possibly due to the heavy rain. The captain did his/her Job by ordering a go around. Because of physics the plane did drop to 400 feet. A go around requires a rapid assent. But this is normal procedure. While a go around is scary for passengers. It’s the safe option.
The airport was not HNL but was in Kauai, a neighboring island. The name of the airport is Lihue.
They had another Southwest incident since this report where the plane flew over Oklahoma City and dropped to 500ft. It was ATC that saved the day there. It is absolutely something to worry about, as it has been Southwest in every incident. You cannot trust the NTSB either. Money > than passenger safety. Safety only becomes a concern when it impacts their money.