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2018 BMW M5 vs Alpina B5 - 5 Series super-saloon showdown | Autocar
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- čas přidán 9. 08. 2018
- The BMW M5 is typically the benchmark big German superslaoon. Its twin-turbocharged engine makes all but 600bhp these days, and drives all four wheels of the hottest BMW 5-Series, to make it a crushingly capable sedan.
But, as Yoda once said: there is another. Alpina is an independent manufacturer and valued customer of BMW, and as soon as an M-car is on the horizon, so too is the Alpina version. This is the B5, equal on power with the M5 and also employing four-wheel drive, but with a very different, rather smoother and more discreet way of going about, ultimately, the same job.
Which is the best at it? We head to the overcast roads of Wales to find which of these two out-übers the other.
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Biggest difference for me that you never mentioned is that you can get the Alpina B5 as an estate
Very good point. This estate versions will be extremely rare and in the current market it is a serious competitor to audi rs6 and mercedes e63amg estate.
Estate??? Meaning???
@@fulaan1 Meaning Station Wagon in the US. In the UK we call them Estate. Just like Saloon (UK) vs Sedan (US)...
@@blacov89 most B5's sold are estates.
@Tom B. From German point of view all vehicles with combustion engine can be called "kombi", as it's simply short for " Kombinationskraftwagen" which means combination motor vehicle in English. But what we are talking about here is that some Americans or Brits don't understand each other's terminology despite all speaking English.
Who likes Alpina, more than M power ?
I do. It's a posh version of the M, and mountains more reliable.
Me! No doubt; if I had the money to spend it would be the Alpina!
@@SkynetGeneral Why would you think it is more reliable ? genuinely asking, I think they do additional changes, but I dont think they actually fix issues that BMW introduce to the car.
The Alpinas has always been a bit more fancier and better looking that BMWs , and i hope they never get rid of these signature rims , they look amazing on all of their products ..
Have to disagree, I think they are really old style.
Those Alpina wheels are tasteful and classy. They might not appeal to every boy racer or internet troll which only makes them more desirable to me.
Well everybody has own taste, some like grandmothers and others prefer something younger.
Peter Hammer I'm 18, and I despise a Civic Type R. Yikes....
They look more sophisticated normally... but who ever decided to place those badges on the rear should be fired, they look out of place and are too big... it could also do without the 'Alpina' on the front. Also the exhausts look crooked... Alpina isn't what it used to be.
This bloke honestly would make a La Ferrari seem like a Ford Mondeo the way he presents
Mate 100%. The CZcams era is outgrowing traditional journalists and publishing houses.
They seriously need to get rid of the old guard and put people with genuine stagecraft and character on camera.
The old firm can stick to dry reviews in print.
I would lose the rear badges for the Alpina, makes the trunk lid look way too busy...
Miss getting my hands on ALPINA's. Potential to be an incredible video, but looks like you had a 25mph speed limiter set on both cars... Come on Autocar you can do better that this!
Show 'em how it's done, Joe! :)
Joe Achilles I’d just posted on Facebook about this video being a seriously missed opportunity. Not real performance comparison in the slightest!!
Elmo - Such a pity hey! They have a full camera crew, professional editors etc... At this pace it would work for 520D vs A6 tdi, but there wasn't 10 seconds of excitement anywhere. Autocar we the absolute benchmark a few years back.
Joe Achilles, looking forward to your test of the Alpina B5 and D5S sedan and touring
Agreed. 4 mins is frankly bollocks. Alpina should be paying you to do those full vids mate.
Still happy with my old e39 M5 =)... These new fangled things are HUGE. Great video! Keep it up
I love M5 E39
nice. I got a 13 335IS myself with a few mods. :-) Its got plenty of electronics for me..
New M3 is probably pretty close to the e39?
True. E39 is legendary! And the new 5 Series are to big. So i would buy an Alpina 3er Series.
mfmf100 Yup F80 is often referred to as the modern E39
Didn't see the cars perform, disappointing
The best thing about Alpinas: they do a wagon version of their cars too!
Why can’t you guys include a little drag race in the video, will be much more appreciated.
I can confirm the new B5 is a stunning car. I'm lucky enough to have spent some time in my friends B5 estate. Amazing car.
No drag race... Come on... That's what everyone wants🤔
Only 11 year olds care about drag races in cars like these.
derbigpr500 Quatsch
Drove the Alpina B5 of my father just minutes ago and i can tell you, that it's not harder to drive then my 320d but it's a lot more fun and more comfortable.
I'm in love with all Alpinas
The Alpina's left rear exhaust tail pipes look poorly fitted.
actually i meant right tail pipe!
I think maybe he reversed on to something , it doenst look like just poor fitting ..
Ridiculous!!!! No way to go for Alpina, with the M you just gets the best possible one. Please tell us the reason for the right pipe misplace
Marco Vironda Or don't, because the majority of us couldn't care one bit.
ahahah, quite right, my second hand car is worth a tenth :))
5:59 notice how the far right exhaust tip on right side of car is not flush like the rest, seems like it cant fit in properly
It bothered me too
I've seen that exact B5 in person, the tail pipes are actually fine, I think it's either the way light caught them whilst filming or dirt
My take is it was a minor reversing incident, maybe after you saw the car. Pause at 5:41, definitely the cause. I had something similar happen on my CL63 and ended up having to replace as my OCD got the better of me.
B5.....easier to live with as a daily driver and love the wheels
Great video! I would choose the F90 every time. It looks much sportier, is almost 100 kg lighter and probably is more fun to drive.
M5 Looks much sportier but I drive both...more fun to drive foe me is the alpina..
B5 is perfect. If it was available in America I'd have it. But since it isn't I'll have to stick with my Kia Rio.
I was expecting a track battle between these two beasts, but instead all I got was a borefest... Leave to Autocar to make a sports saloon comparison test sound like a Vectra vs Mondeo test.
Is it just me but, doesn’t t the Alpinas rear bounce up and down a bit?
It’s probably better than the current M5, as I think making it 4 wheel drive rather misses the point of it(the M5). As such, I’d go for the Alpina.
“If you like that kinda none sense don’t forget to subscribe”
I love british sens of humor.
Wow drove performance cars at 20mph. Keep up the good work
Don't understand the hate in the comments for Matt. He does grown up reviews for grown up drivers. If you want 0-60 times and someone rabbiting on about how fast cars are but offering nothing else go and watch that tosser Archie Hamilton
These are performance cars, how is it that you don't understand?
There can be both performance times and luxury details in the same video.
I do understand. If you watch the video you notice he talks quite a lot about the nature of the power delivery, how they feel in the corners and how both aim to strike a balance between luxury and performance. It may surprise you but for a lot of people that's more important than how fast it gets to 60
OK, I better see where you're coming from. I continue to believe a complementary drag race would have been wholly appropriate, however.
hahahahahaha
Last year I lived in Abergwynfi and drove over the Bwlch nearly everyday where this was filmed in a BMW 740i M. Paradise.
I hope alpina stay in business. I think the electric vehicle market threatens them the most. But they can adapt
To be honest, I’m not put off by the Alpina, and I’m sure for all the difference there is it wouldn’t matter to me,and as Matt says, the M’ is slightly better dynamically and the Alpina is a Motorway/Continent crusher...
Where is the drag race at least
Spot on Matt :-) if I ever have a BMW again it will have to be an Alpina. Loved my E39 ///M5 and the only thing I think that can top it is a Alpina.
Great review. Please cover more Alpina's :)
Plz review the M5 competition
Might claim that the two companies are independent of each other, which might be true but the M5 and B5 are made on "the same" assembly line..
He did say that BMW supply cars and parts to Alpina if I'm not mistaken. What he means is, unlike AMG, Alpina is not part of BMW.
They are independent family run companies and they are amicable to each other, as one would, exactly as the video says. Quality businesses doing good work basically. Alpina do assemble their engines on their own but BMW assembles it on their lines. I think that shows just how good the relationship is between those companies. Quite unique. More info on wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpina
Louis Neo Phetla
BMW should just by the ALPINA brand like they do with Rolls Royce and Mini so the ALPINA cars are even Better.
The first version of the M5 is still my favourite. The current version with 4 wheel drive just feels wrong(yes - I know you can set it to rear wheel drive, but it still lacks the feel of a rear wheel drive car).
The Alpina is a different beast - more aimed at comfort, but I think they drive the 4 wheel drive system better. I’d take that over the current M5.
the front bumper of M looks better
3:55 put subtitles on
Rodrigo Martins underrated comment
The Alpina definitely sounds better...
Those Alpina rims are timeless
Feel like they missed something with this Alpina, looks to normal and the front bumper does not work this time around😔
What I wanna know is that is the moon-roof optional or is it just carbon fibre only
fantastic review
M5 vs Alpina B5 dragrace please!!!!
m5 , on this comparison colour tints alloys n not forgetting that M badge
The main difference is the sound. The M5, owing to its exhaust manifold trickery, sounds like a flat crank V8. In other words, it sounds like a four cylinder engine. The Alpina B5, on the other hand, sounds like the cross-plane V8 it is. Its delightful V8 woofle (and, higher up the rev range, V8 hammer) means it sounds miles better than the M5. On that basis alone, I'd take the Alpina in preference to the M5.
6:01 lol I was so fucking nervous when I saw you driving in the wrong lane just before that curve, then I realized it's England.
Oh my God... the best video!
I'm happy for the owner of that green car . Nice 5 series .
I'll still buy the M5
What’s up with the rear quads on the right of the B5?
I'm sure this was filmed on part of the A4061, 'Bwlch-y-Clawdd' road north of the Ogmore Valley (where I grew up). This is known to have some very tortuous hairpins, including 'the keyhole' that (I'm pretty sure) appears at 5:36 and 7:27:. If this is the case, do you often do tests in this area?
Both good, but I like the estate option and the ability to customise. I bought the B5
This car with manual gearbox = divine perfection
Just realised this is filmed where I live :D
Alpina will hold its value far better.
I’ll have a D5 Touring, thanks.
I’ve always liked Alpinas but they’re not sporty enough in the looks department for my tastes. I prefer a more aggressive design than what Alpina offers. The performance is always good but like I said their exterior design could use a more aggressive touch. Maybe they should offer both their traditional luxurious design and a sporty and aggressive design as well. Some people want the understated design with all the performance and some people want all the show that goes along with the go.
Ryan Lange get a AMG if you want gaudy hip styling. Alpina is about being subtle
I'd take the Alpina just for exclusivity
Aron Bell Ok go for it
why does the right exhaust of the alpina look dodgy?
Why would anybody buy the B5 if you can get the B7, if you really care more about luxury than sportiness?
I'll just have an Alpina B3, please.
Why not fix the crooked exhaust :-(
Alpina is my dream car! Why they didn’t make x5?) For the subj - didn’t get the point of a reviewer! What a significant difference between them? It’s what I heard out on other Alpina s reviews that was like a perfect welded weapon in between Bimmer and merc!)
when many reviews use the stupid excuse of run flats as comfort comparison to other factory cars, tyres are a disposable/service item, nobody says u have to replace with run flats or the same tyres again, anybody who doesn't like the ride of their bmw, simply putting normal tyres will make the car much better than factory, I've tested this myself.
RFT 1. Generation Tyres were.....horrible. No they are ok, they are safe, but normal Michelin Pilot Sport 4s or Conti Sport Contact 6 are better and more comfy.
When did the B5 came out ?
Would Love to have both 😎
There are aspects of the Alpina's presentation, like the B5 BITURBO badges, that are starting to look really dated.
Highly modified M550i...
people stop talking about Camry....I mean Lexus. if Lexus put this type of performance in their cars, who knows what will be the quality.
The Alpina B5 he's driving is the same one that Jeremy Clarkson tested.
The M5 with the Alpina's green colour, please!
Alpina right rear exhaust drives me crazy!!! someone plz fix it!!!
The right hand side exhaust tips on the Alpina look like a botched boob job 🤣 I'm sure it just got knocked out of place by accident
I wannna own a alpina in the us there very rare over here especially in New England
Right set of the exhausts. Am I the only one seeing something wrong with it?
kingofkrunk16 no we all saw ıt
I watch so many of your video's and enjoy them but why do you keep playing the background music just a bit too loud. This has been commented on several times over previous videos but you obviously don't read the comments as you insist on playing the music. Great video, very insightful but ruined for my liking
No m car should be 4 wheel drive, BMW’s should be rwd that’s what people like when we pick BMW’s
There seems to be some confusion between the two cars, there is never an Alpina variant of a BMW M car, Alpina in the design phase have access to the SE spec 5 series range which is why the Alpina range has always had SE derived bodywork, the Alpina engine and drivetrain are derived from the M550xi so it uses an N63R rather then an S63M, both similar engines originating from the N63 but with fundamental differences which is why they produce torque and power differently, both cars us a ZF 8HP75 auto gearbox so the M5 might have a different gear lever but it's just a flashy gimmick really, it's naturally wider track and slightly lighter weight would always give it the edge on a twisty B road but then the Alpina was always going to be a more refined daily car and in any case I feel the M5 has lost a number of things that would truly make it an M car, true rear wheel drive and either a manual or DCT gearbox just to name a few.
The gap between an M car and a normal BMW appears to be shrinking...
if its m power 4x4 i dont know who want to buy alpina . it was only sense if someone want 6 seriers an b6 have xdrive and m6 only rear .
If you want an estate, get the alpina.
Alpina all the way!
PS: Matt, stop with the decaf!!! have a energy drink or two before the review, keeps you a bit sharper, on the edge..... Your vids are boring AF!
At this point I rather just stick with an m550 and get the best of both, the sportiness of the m5 and the luxury of the Alpina for less money
what's the song in the background
Synesthesia - Michael FK* 😘
aahh finally, thanks so much!!
Oh just buy the M5 already.
Only a diesel powered Alpina can stake any sort of claim imo
Still miss Steve Sutcliffe and his drifted curves
Biturbo Alpina's power gang 💪
Ok so because the Alpina is a little bit better on long road you think the Alpina is the winner ?! But the M5 is way better on track or performance driving so it's more versatile, and this is what you want from a sport saloon, this is the DNA of BMW M roadcars : versatility.
PS : the performances of the car is not only 0-100 km/h (0-60 mph) and top speed, it's also 50-100 km/h, 100-200 km/h, 100-0 km/h, lap times (speed through corners, agility, precision), etc.
Another Great Video Review
Benim öğretmenim olsa her derdine 5 dakika erken giderdim… Arap beygiri gibi mübarek
The Alpina seems to be a much nicer thing to be in. Shame about the wheel design though.
Cream Leather!!!, maybe I’m lazy but I’d stick with Black Leather, doesn’t show up the dirt so much.
And long may that continue...
Go faster stripes. Wheel design from the 80's. SE front end. Come on Alpina. Get with it.
Hmmm, these cars are about speed, quickness and handling. I would have preferred a performance test and comparison. Why shouldn't a family luxury car have everything this M5 has? Its the perfect usable car with a great capacity to keep up and thrash a 911 RS2 and drive your family to the track in comfort. I love it. This V8 twin turbo will also be infinitably tunable too. Fast forward to the M5 Competition and now were cooking with gas :)
i hate that you cant get one in the states smdh
CGbeatz375 you can't afford that shit anyways
I'll take the M5 with the alpina wheels, will hold up value better and the engine has more tuning capabilities
I think it would be interesting to see Alpina's take on an M5 opposed to a 5 series.
They will not do it. They don‘t get access from bmw. They have only done it so far once on the e30 m3, called the Alpina B6 3.5S
what a boooooring review, now i need to sleep
Hummmm. Listening to the rationale regarding the weight and handling. It's agile compared to other boats. Like a double decker bus is agile as well. It all depends on the frame of reference. A bus is more agile than the QE2 but it's still not agile !!
Actually I don't like this sort of nonsense so I won't watch it anymore. There was a point to watching back in the day when these things weighed in at less than say 1600kg but now I think that there are few BMWs that even deserve the ///M badge. The true enthusiast believers at BMW Motorsport must be pulling their hair out :(
The Alpina is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Its design differs fundamentally from that of the M5: It is a high speed cruiser for the highway, a real counterpart to the Panamera. Highest quality workmanship (lavalina leather (12,000 euros!)) combined with lowest fuel consumption! The cars are built by BMW (special parts are supplied by Alpina), the final production takes place at Alpina.
Fascinating: You can drive in the Eco mode the familly very inconspicuous and economical, in Sport + mode then with the highest comfort, very quietly with a top speed of 340 km/h. There are not a few car experts in Germany who credibly say that this Alpina B5 is one of the best cars of all times! It is difficult to compare a off-the-peg car (M5) with an Alpina.
"A carbon fibre roof to lower the centre of gravity".
So how much lower is the centre of gravity on that almost 2 tonne car because of this?