Helicopter Naval AutoRotation Skill Competition - Feb 2020 | DCS WORLD
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Cap: "Stalker picked the helicopter that it can't be done in"
(autorotates perfectly to a smooth landing)
Stalker: "sorry"
dang him...
Hey guys!! I spent 23 years in the US Army as both a UH-1H crewchief and a CH-47D Flight Engineer. I have survived 2 dual engine failures in a Chinook, watching you guys do autos brought back a lot of memories. The things I remember is 70 kts fwd airspeed and flair at 120 feet. Once you loose rotor speed you cant get it back. Stalker is spot on!
Greg, all skills aside it's the controls i think that do them in.. I think a lot of it is due to the collective, unless the guy is right into simming with a chopper, he's using perhaps a throttle to pitch the blades..on top of that is feedback.. imagine having all the feel gone from your controls and relying on visual ques for what yer bird is doing.. so much on an aircraft is transmitted through the controls, buffets etc.. on a chopper those hands and brain of yours know every move she's gonna make before your eyes register it.. 23 years , I bet you know forward velocity, and climb rate just from stick pressure/sound/ vibration/ etc...with your eyes closed.. still fun, and these guys have good skills, it's just without a cyclic it's gotta be difficult..
"Not enough CCR playing, he's not gonna land it." that had me in stitches.
"The engine doesn't work but let me show you around." LMAO
13:11 - WOW, Stalker is a dead ringer for that voice identified as Crazy Chet on that Streets of Sim City All Radio Comercials video. About 1:29 in.
"Axles. You want axles? I got axles! "…
Bro, the new Ka-50 sounds are friggin delicious. They need to do the Huey. DO IT.
They should have actually started with the Huey or at least with the Mi.
14:48 "RC going in"
Already on fire 🤣
"The engine doesn't work, but let me show you around". LMAO!
"The engine doesn't work ..but let me show you around...."😂🤣
Do you have an interview with Stalker? I'd like to hear his story and experiences.
He doesn't like hearing his voice on the vids, but will try again.
@@grimreapers but WE love it FULL STOP nothing else matters
Could u do a text to speech to replace him?
Enjoyed the video, I was actually learning about autorotation in my class this morning. Looking into the "Dead Mans Curve Helicopters" might help future landings. The left shaded area - too slow which requires too much power and therefore doesn't store enough energy. Lower right shaded area - too fast and low, so is more difficult to react quickly. You guys probably knew about this but it might be useful for others. Hopefully I can catch a live stream sometime.
24:07 FORTUNATE SON INTENSIFIES
Cap spends more time talking shit and telling people what they can't do than making quality content. I swear.
I can go into this a bit more on a separate video interview in the future with Cap, but from a helicopter engineer’s perspective autorotation is a scary thing. The idea is to put the aircraft on the ground but while maintaining all systems for as long as possible. In the Chinook, hydraulics and electrics are driven off the gearboxes (unless you have the APU running, but you won’t if you’ve run out of fuel...) so you need the Nr speed to remain at 100% or your generators will go offline and you’re down to the battery. When we rig the controls, they’re set so that all the pilot has to do is dump the collective fully to the floor and the blade pitch angle is such that rotor speed remains within a specific tolerance of 225 rpm. It stays like this till you approach the ground, when you abandon everything else and haul the collective up to arrest the decent and hopefully not rip all of the landing gears off...
the best part is that post heavy maintenance we have to send the crews to test this and make sure the Nr figure you get is within the band. Fun day for them...
I believe that the Stalker guy is an experienced IRL helo pilot.
@@dcsaholic2636 From what I've gathered you're right - this is my experience of it from an engineer's POV and specifically Chinook. Other choppers are probably different, and you should definitely listen to the experts on those...
I always found doing stuck right pedal more demanding than doing a practice auto.
You should see a CH-53E auto rotate...even better you should be in the back when they yank the collective back 10 ft off the ground. Hell of a ride...just make sure you didn’t have a big lunch. 😂
Thanks guys, a lot of fun to watch. Please do more with the heli's!
Crazy nuts. All of your deductibles are gone. Some genius landings though. See the Cashier. All Major Cards Accepted. This FBO has recommended Ospreys for your next auto rotation adventure. The words "watch this!" were heard so it's a save. Seriously cool video Cap!
" The engine doesn't work but let me show you around" 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂
21:39 that's a big pair in his britches.
RC.. you really are the MAN!.
Lol Ka-50 could just eject above all and the pilot would land perfectly :P
Entertaining! A lot of the overspeed / overshoot failures were due to it not occurring to people to S-turn on the way to the ship to eat up height, or reduce groundspeed to descend elevator-style before getting forward speed back on prior to the flare. I'm training for my commercial heli license (civilian). Interestingly the jet ranger has so much inertia in its blades that it can touch down from an auto, then pull pitch to take off, do a 360 and finally land again!! I'd imagine the huey must have good auto potential
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Cap, don't be hard on yourself because you find the autorotation a difficult thing to do. Its BLOODY hard to pull off. I had to try 15 times before I nailed it in the R44. Its an acquired skill, and when you switch to a different bird, the new bird will behave differently. Thankfully, the need to autorotate is rare, unless your doing practice runs to keep your skills up as a pilot.
thx
Very Awesome Video Guys!!!!! Excellent!!!!!
8:20 Just look at that rotor which came off nicely... remembers me of those toys with a prop on top of them where you'd pull a cord to make it go off like this, mast bumping par excellence! :D
Rule #1: Any landing you can walk away from... Just like RC's :)
Cap just slammed the thing onto the deck at 2500ft/min without wrecking it like a boss :D
The wagner-lympics
Man, if they could add the UH-1N or UH-1Y, flying the Huey could be even more fun.
He didnt decapitate the deck crew, he sliced them to ribbons to the ankles.
RC is my hero!
I remember them doing this in the Oregon Files... on a cargo ship
Love watching y’all this would be awesome to have a true simulator set up with a helicopter and a fighter jet
Damn straight it can be difficult. The other day I was trying to freshen up on my cross wind auto rotations IRL. Oh and only at 500ft AGL
right..
@@zzodr I mean that's how you practice for them yank power and try to find a spot before the flare at 50 feet... source I am a student pilot and a certificated aircraft dispatcher
Preston Mcgill very true. When getting commercial license you’ll do 0 speed autos from altitude
@@PrestonMcgill Yeah sure, just "yank" the power at 500ft. How does one yank a twist grip throttle anyway?
@@zzodrsorry, I should have been more specific with regards to rotorcraft, my bad. all of my experience (other than 8 hours in a 300c) has been in a fixed-wing airframe, and I should have said reduce throttle to idle and disengage the engine from the main rotor system, apologies
Dang wish I would have known about this I woulda loved to compete.
its basically gliding a plane with extra steps.
that was cool
8:19 the main rotor comes off and just flies away into the distance
Ka50 auto speed should be about 70kts depending on conditions. Never go above 110kts.
Fly the Huey at 85kts with ROD of approx -1700FPM for max range. You could reach the Tanker if it's 3NM away with careful flying.
I have PTSD from Ka-50s lol
3:16
A simulation? I ain’t never seen a helicopter move like that.
I believe that is only due to laggy online connections. I play Dcs too flying huey and my huey never does unrealistic weird movements. If it did I would not play anymore. Also servers and pc power can add to frame issues making movements look funny
That's just the Gazelle not having an FM yet. Nothing to see here... :D
@@CakePrincessCelestia Exactly. Still waiting for Polychop to fix the damn thing.
@@getsideways7257 Me too. But It can be seen easily that their FM of the OH-58D is a lot better already if you watch how it behaves. I'm rather confident the Gazelle will get interesting as soon as they fix her FM after the OH-58 release.
My main problem with the Gazelle is that there literally is some kind of hard coded deadzone of ~5% in it where you even see the stick in the cockpit moving with a total lack of reaction of the helo itself. That plus the super high sensitivity of the cylcic makes it extremely hard to control smoothly. Hats off to anyone who manages to fly that thing in its current state.
@@CakePrincessCelestia I'd rather wait till they fix the Gazelle until I'm convinced the Kiowa is a buy for me, even if it does seem to fly decently on the videos.
My personal gripe with the helo is that it feels downright broken. It's like I'm trying to fly a "3D" aerobatic RC-helicopter that also responds in a weird fashion most of the time.
I can land it on a frigate, I could probably be able to slingload with it if it had the capability (and I always switch the PA off, even though the proper name here would be SAS or a French equivalent). However, it's a bloody murderous thing that absolutely kills my arm and my hand. Granted, I do have an awful joystick, but everything else flies just fine with it (I even used to fly X-Plane helos just fine). The Gazelle never feels like a real machine, more like a flying bug you have to struggle almost every single second with. And what's with that weird tendency to pull you back whenever you try to get into a hover just a foot above the helipad to start taxiing? What kind of a helo requires you to cyclic *forward* to maintain the hover just about the surface? It's a bull of an FM and they know it. The question remains, are they working on fixing it or not?
Scariest word for a helicopter piolet ..autorotate
Helicopter aerobatics display! C'mon you know the Ka-50 c an do it!
I miss Frazer... probably the best virtual pilot I've ever seen. What he did with the Shark was just jaw-dropping.
Mad respect to stalker o7
I want to take part in this event one day
I'm a real world heli pilot and want to join grim reapers soon for some online fun
Open to all on our discord server.
@@grimreapers thank you
Just curious when the next Iran mission will be out ?
It is no longer working with new version of DCS. On hold until we get a solution.
Grim Reapers bummer I was really enjoying it.
Grim Reapers bummer I was really enjoying it.
If it was modeled correctly the Huey is the best helicopter ever made for autorotation, due to the heavy weight of the blades you can literally bring it to a hover a few feet above the ground do a full 360 and then set it down. I've never played DCS or other helicopter games so no idea how well it's modeled but expect not at all. Still it's all about technique picking your spot, then making a consistent steady decent by the numbers, flare touch down. Of course reality is completely different and the terrain is the final decider whether you walk away or not.
For anyone who's interested in how things can go wrong in a helicopter, very quickly. You might find this brief accident report interesting.
www.aviation.govt.nz/assets/publications/fatal-accident-reports/ZK-HQP-Fatal.pdf
So you have never flown DCS but assume it is not correctly modelled?
@@Furia40 So you've never flown a helicopter but think it is? It's a PC game, you're never going to be able to accurately model the dynamics of helicopter flight in a game. From videos I've seen it's very basic and rudimental at best.
I have been flying helicopters form 30 years as profesional pilot including many years ago the civil version of the UH-1H that is the Bell-205-A. I know the DCS model well since I was also part of the beta testing team for the DCS UH-1H so I know very well what I am talking about while you obviously cannot provide anything of real value to comment here. I do not know if you have ever flown a helicopter or not neither I care but commenting about a software product without even trying...says it all. Have a good day.
@@Furia40 If that was true you would know better, you can't replicate the feel, physics and dynamics of helicopter flight in a PC game, all are very basic. The difference between a PC sim like PMDG and a commercial airline sim is night and day let alone the real thing. Is dynamic real weather environment even modeled in DCS, wind, alt, temps etc? No so how can you even begin to have any sort of realistic sim if wind is absent. Yes CPL-H C-CAT first solo in 95 then commercial from 98 now BK-117s for last nine years.
Obviously this is your pet game, but that's all it is a game. Maybe spend less time playing with pixels and gain more real world experience.
Yak yak yak
Cap, could you test the physics of auto rotations in DCS? For example, if you want to increase the distance you glide in an auto, you fly with an increased airspeed and low Nr, in some types so low that you sound the horn the whole time. To decrease glide distance, the opposite, lower airspeed and higher Nr. Coupled with that, whether the Nr correlates correctly with G loading. The initial actions in autorotation are the opposite to a fixed wing stall/engine failure, in a helicopter you pull back, reducing airspeed but at the same time, it G loads the disc, causing the Nr to increase due to conservation of angular momentum. Pitching the nose down unloads the disc and reduces the Nr. Would be good to see if it’s modelled correctly. Thanks
Roger Sir
Hi Reapers o7
Stalker = Dr. Teeth
Oh shit I didn’t know seahorse was a GR ...my bad.
Landning the Tomcat or the Hornet without engines, is that possible? Next competition?
On a carrier of course...
they dont want you pilling in on a big metal box full of 3000 people, fuel, bombs
and several nuclear reactors...
you ditch/eject and get rescued.
IRL helicopter pilot here, autorotations seem scary but after logging hundreds of practice full touch down autorotations (land only and not at sea thank god) they become second nature.
For those still wondering how it works, a helicopter uses variable angle of attack in the rotor blades (controlled through the collective therefore called collective putch) in order to generate lift, when there is insufficient power or no power at all the collective should be placed full down to remove any pitch (angle of attack) from the main rotor blades, in turn the upward flow of air through the rotor blades increase and maintains rotor rpm, thus ensuring enough rpm to turn into collective pitch during deceleration (performed at 50-100 feet depending on aircraft) to essentially reduce rate of decent in order to land where the remain of collective is slowly applied in order to execute a smooth controlled landing. Essentially during landing the rotor rpm is transferred into collective pitch while decelerating and slowing decent to build a cushion of air below the aircraft when in ground effect and land.
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The Soviets make that Mi-8 out of tinfoil? Or did the tail just rust off??
Yes.
Every helo has its weakness. The Huey loses the rotor due to mast bumping, the Kamov loses both rotors due to the blades strike. The Gazelle just loses because Polychop still hasn't fixed the bugger.
Glass chopper?
All helicopters will break their tail off if you put them underwater suddenly.. and their rotors.
How do you think a co-axial rotors scheme yaws in the first place? It's differential collective, that's how. And that's why the blades can strike at high speeds. You raise the collective on the lower rotor (with the pedals), you lower it on the upper rotor... and you go at enough speed to exacerbate the effect.
Either way, not even sure if Ka-50 can be called a "helicopter" at all. Not only it's co-axial, it barely saw any real world action.
You lie because you jelly that Ka-50's rotor blades are over 2 times sexier than anyone else's.
@@vantuz8264 When you joke you need to put at least some effort into that, you know.
@@getsideways7257 So your comment was a joke? Should've put some effort in it.
@@vantuz8264 What are you? A 10yo?
@@getsideways7257 i sexually identify as an attack helicopter and i find your comment extremely offensive and heliphobic.
I misread as "Abortion Competition" man was I confused.