Jim Cornette on Creating Gimmicks
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- From Episode 321 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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CornMala, The Kentucky Beast
Jim on his way to apply for that position that just opened up on the jaguars accounting staff
*Why would they employee the utterly out-of-touch Jim CUCKnette? He'd equally have nothing to offer the modern NFL just as he has absolutely nothing to offer modern pro wrestling as he's entirely out-of-touch and cluelss.*
@@MattSingh1why are you here
@@MattSingh1🥱
@@james2651 Trash.
@@MattSingh1ehhh corny is a liberal so he might actually do just fine 😂
I remember looking at Hector Guerrero and thinking, “That guys feels like he’s a futuristic toy brought to life. They should get him a silver suit and antennae!” Gimmick identified.
@@stfi7566 "Don't tell me you're the Gobbledy Gooker!"
Big ass turkey pops out of an egg named "The gobblty-gooker"
@@stfi7566 He was a Turkey, not a chicken. Know your Poultry.
@@ShadowAngel18606 Pretty sure he was actually dressed as a duck
As a Dungeon Master and D&D player for 35 years
I have many ideas and concepts for characters and personality quirks.
Me and a friend had a plot written up for a session, it was gonna be my first game. But I'm a longtime writer, shit was mega fun, hope to be able to do it again.
Is your name Kevin sullivan?
Nerd. 🤓
@@Jeff-qd3jy Still better than a bunch of spaghetti armed virgin nerds for live pretending to be Warriors and Magicians, while they stink up some poor mother's basement, guzzle down copious amounts of mountain dew and fantasize about girls, while not even their mothers would want to touch them.
There is always a place for gimmicks, I do t care what anyone says.
He look, it's Cornmala.
Ha.
Scott Hall came up with Crow Sting
The best gimmicks are the ones where a wrestler’s real personality can shine through as part of the gimmick.
Roddy Piper could play the bag pipes. He could just unload insults after insult off the top of his head. He really was that physically fiery and emotional in a fight. Or Mr. Cornette. You listen to James E today and he’s the same highly entertaining personality he was 30+ years ago as a top manager.
Jim look like kamala is always hilarious
Tony Khan needs to find the right gimmick for Lance Archer. Put him with Big Bill or with house of Black. A guy that big shouldn't be in catering. He's tall enough to be an undertaker.
The guy who played The Boogeyman looked a ton like the guy who played the Candyman, Jim's a horror fan so I bet that was the inspiration for gimmick.
WWE creative came up with the gimmick.
that was an awesome movie.
Holy hell, this animation is the best ever!
I'm seeing Jim slapping his belly in my mind. 😅
It's a picture, not a animation.
@@ShadowAngel18606 you know what I mean, a$$hole
If Mark hadn’t been around at the time I bet Black Bart becomes Brother Love’s muscle
A bit of a stretch there.
Kamala is the vice president, but we don’t know if she’s related to James “Sugar Bear” Harris.
I’ve always wondered if William Moody, a young wrestler and mortician school student, ever thought of “The Undertaker” as a ring name…
JYD looked a young Marty Lunde as suggested he be an 'Anderson'.
Slight tangent to what you're talking about here, but I've had an idea for a manager's gimmick for a while. An 'Image Consultant'. They get 'hired' by a wrestler, try a handful of new ideas over the course of a month or so until something sticks. The manager hangs around for another couple months, perfecting the new look/attitude/whatever of their client, then they move on to someone else. It gives an kayfabe reason for someone to discover their heritage, or drop a comedic act, or change their ring-name. Whatever.
It'd be a lot better than the current standard of 'This wrestler you know is now going by a different name. Accept it.'
"You look at it and you think to yourself. This are characters you coudnt creat. If you were creating a skeet" - Kevin Nash
English please
Well that was an adventure that went nowhere
What's really scary is that gibberish got 4 thumbs up
This whole debate is bringing back deeply traumatic memories of the WWF in the early 90s, when Vince almost put himself out of business deciding everyone now needed to be a wrestling pirate, bin man, taxman, dentist or whatever. What even WAS that?!
That's entertainment, pal
Vince almost put himself out of business because he lost the crazy personalities hogan savage warrior and more as well as the steriod scandals
Its called being in control and being creative and putting lots of effort in to see what will work. Post Attitude era Vince put in very little creative effort. He was on cruise control by then.
@@Chaz4543it's not creative or putting in hard work lol it's literally the mist basic no thinking shit ahh let's put a hockey player out there ahh let's try a plumber etc it was bad and there's no positive spin to put on it
@@wesleysistrunk2179stupid entertainment
jim cornette as kamala is Absolutely Hilarious the story of the Kane gimmick is very fascinating that was an awesome gimmick original kane was amazing.
Corny Kamala!!!🤣😂🤣👍 Travis the Arteest deserves a raise and stock options!!! Colin!!!
@@williammitchell4417I Absolutely Agree lol.
Corn-mala! Hailing from 'Parts Overgrown'! (Now known as "fuck-foot County")
It’s interesting he uses Taker as an example because isn’t that literally the way Vince did it? He drew up the idea for “Kain The Undertaker” then went out to find the guy to play him
He didn’t really go out to find anyone. Vince had the idea and it just so happened that Mark became available and he fit what Vince was looking for. Vince never went looking for anyone to play it. He had the idea and Mark fit what he wanted
He’s saying the gimmick would have lasted as long as the repo man if mark hadn’t made it his own and elevated it
So Terry Taylor as “The Red Rooster” was not Vince’s idea but Terry’s?
2:57 The New Johnny Bravo
Kids at my elementary school knew who Kamala was. But I didn't know until they told me, and at the time I wasn't sure if they were right. I found out later that they were right.
Good question
Evil doink was amazing
Cornmala... I remember a debut video of Kamala years ago that the narrator would suddenly say "Kimawa" then go back to the Kamala name. It was on a VHS video I'd purchased at Walmart that had various music videos & matches from mid-south wrasslin. I loved the video of Bruiser Brody with the rock song White Lightning. Can't find the song anywhere nowadays besides the old song of the same name...
A Uganda reference! Huge pop!🇺🇬🇺🇬🇺🇬🇺🇬🇺🇬🇺🇬
Cornmala the Kentucky Fried Chicken Hunter
Yes like Scott Hall creating crow Sting by just talkin and drinking with the guy. Now I want to turn Moxley into Jon "Razor" Moxley.😂😂😂 FN curl on his forehead toothpick in the mouth and his blade as a chain. Every time I see Mox he has a blade.
2:45 Totally agree, and WWE did that for many years. They would basically just have a list of gimmicks and randomly give them to talent coming in. That last part is the problem. You can have a list of gimmick ideas, nothing wrong with that, but you can't just randomly pass them out to people. A guy doesn't even have to have a gimmick, and most of the time it's better if he doesn't. Just take a guys real life personality and turn the volume up, then he becomes a character and hopefully a star.
And that's why there is no fun in wrestling anymore. Gummicks are what put wrestling on the map. Not all gimmicks should be about a wrestler' personality or life or whatever.
@@AfricanHeavyMetalGuy I'm not against gimmicks, as long the gimmick can be pulled off well by whichever wrestler is using it. I don't think a lot of gimmicks is a good thing though, because then it's basically a circus. It'd be great for kids, but it won't appeal to most adults and even most teenagers. Why do you think the then WWF's popularity started tanking in the early 90's? It was because those kids started growing up and that goofy cartoon stuff (although very well done) was just not as cool anymore. They grew tired of it and wanted something a bit more serious and edgy, which they eventually got.
Take the guy's real life: Mean Mark
Turn it up: American Badass
Meanwhile, with a gimmick from the list: Undertaker
Yeah i bet he would've been the same had he remained that low end Mean Mark Callous, playing his biker self in the ring 🤣
@@JMFSpike Lol, it was because of all the scandals, hence why even WCW was affected by it and they always played the "Yeah we're legit" crap up, it didn't help them either as you can see their business plumetting more and more.
And just the same why so many promotions suddenly found their end between 1991 and 1994. They weren't affected by the gimmick wrestlers of the WWF, but they sure as hell were affected by the extremely negative reputation, the wrestling business as a whole had gotten.
@@ShadowAngel18606 So you doubt Mark Calaway's talent then? You think that the only way he would have gotten over is by playing essentially a zombie? No way, he would have been a major star regardless. Some (like myself) actually much preferred the American Badass character over the silliness that was The Undertaker. It was a great character, but it's a product of it's time. There is a reason why Calaway ditched it for a time and didn't want to go back to it.
Jimmalla, 5 foot, 11 inches.. Jimmalla 564 Wendy's tripples with extra cheese...Jimmalla, the Louisville giant...
Cornmala
Nice callback!
Greatest creation: The Undertaker
Created by Pat Patterson
No the greatest creation is JBL
Nope. Red rooster.
Or Big Josh
This THUMBNAIL 😂😂😂😂
Gimmicks is something WWE refuses to do now.
Tony D’Angelo
Probably modern wrestlers don't have personality anymore
These days one would have to actually have to do research about what warriors of Uganda call themselves and what they actually do. There's enough immigrants in the US to raise a loud enough castigation and make your fed look foolish.
Who came up with the boogeyman? And thought he needs to eat worms!
Well Mr. Cornette has his Halloween costume now 🤣
Jimallla the Kentucky warrior !!!!
Sometimes the company creates the gimmick and the wrestlers are the ones that get it over. Vince McMahon created the character Goldust for Dustin Rhodes, and Dustin is the one that got it over. Daniel Bryan and the “Yes” gimmick is another.
YES gimmick was pathetic. Vince was old and out of touch by then and didnt care. Triple H had more power by then. Young Vince never would have pushed Bryan.
Is it a gimmick even? It's just a guy chanting yes. People are sheep and like to chant. I could say porcupine porcupine and get people to chant it.
@@Chaz4543
Yes gimmick was the most over babyface gimmick since Austin's Stonecold gimmick in Attitude era. No babyface since Austin was even close to being as over with the crowd as Bryan was during the Yes movement.
Forget about Young Vince, the Older Vince didn't wanna push Bryan either, it was the constant fans reaction that forced him to do so kicking & screaming.
Fans were hijacking shows, PPVs, segments chanting for Bryan & asking for his push.
It was Bryan's popularity which made fans turn on Batista at Rumble, heck they booed Rey Mysterio out of the building for being no 30. One can go watch, title unification match segment between Cena & Orton with legends & former champs in the ring was completely hijacked by fans chanting for Bryan to the point it embarrassed the company.
Vince wanted to do freaking Bootista vs Orton in WM 30 mainevent, something that barely anyone wanted to see. It was the fans that forced Vince to push Bryan to mainevent of WrestleMania.
Also young Vince pushed HBK, another small guy, he would have pushed Bryan then.
Top current gimmicks, Rhea Ripley, MJF, Abadon, LA Knight, Damien Priest, waiting to see what they are going to do with Jade.
One of those things is not like the others
Jade will take over damage control,so they can eat the loses and she can be protected
In mexican wrestling it seems to be gimmicks created and anyone can be it since theyre all under masks
Is there any way to confirm Matt Morgan’s story about him being the 3rd brother or addition to Undertaker & Kane? His name was going to be “Abel.” I’m just curious as to how accurate this is?
Sounds like an idea that was talked about for two seconds back stage but then someone said it sucks. I remember hearing about Morgan being a top prospect. He was one of the first from developmental that I heard about before they were up. Never heard anything like that. It could have been true though.
Nothing. Nothing in any Newsletters, nothing in any wrestling magazines. It was never mentioned anywhere, not even as a "could be" fantasy story in the kayfabe magazines.
Also it would be a bit ludicrous to introduce yet another new Brother.
In the same interview, Morgan also claimed he was a fan of Kane ever since he was a kid. Kane debuted when Morgan was already 21 years old. Far removed from being a kid. So he isn't exactly the most credible person i would say.
Bro better talk about the stormtrooper
Mark Callaway was the perfect individual to be The Undertaker.
John Mellencamp is one of the greatest singer/songwriters of all time!!
Travis should have drawn Jacob Chansley as the QAnon Shaman alongside Kamala Cornette.
Gimmicks that stank up the joint Duke the Dumpster Droese The Goon Issac Yankam The Stalker Body Donnas Sparky Plug Bob Holly.
Normal Bob Holly sucked too
Body Donnas were funny
I'll defend Duke the Dumpster Droese, that was a totally serviceable midcard babyface gimmick. It's not goofy like a wrestling country singer or a wrestling tax man, a garbage man wrestling on the side is completely plausible. It's not going to main event anything, but it's fine for getting the crowd going in the first hour of the show.
The funny part is that Raw was literally running in high school gyms back then, so Duke probably would have made more money hauling trash.
Duke the Dumpster Droese was doing that gimmick on the independents before he got to WWE so its not like it was forced on him.
@@Chaz4543 Yep, and he actually was a garbage man too, so it really wasn't even a gimmick.
I love the story about how he was signed, though I feel like it probably isn't true. Supposedly Vince was bragging about how he can turn ANYONE into a major star and either JR or Pat Patterson pulled out a copy of the 1993 (I think) PWI 500, pointed to a guy called Garbage Man ranked #500, and said "Okay, prove it." The part about him being ranked #500 before going to work there definitely is true, the rest is pretty dubious.
Matt Hardy "Broken" Gimmick got more applauds from critics in modern wrestling.
In the territory days, a Kamilah fit because they wouldn't care enough to look up where Uganda was or if it was real. He was a big black man with no teeth, slapping his belly! In the South! During the 70's!
It was easier for fans in the 70’s and early 80’s to buy what was being presented.
You had local tv and no internet. If a wrestler came in from another territory, the fans would buy that he was from Uganda, or that other famous location “Parts Unknown”.
And pretty much everyone knew of Uganda because a guy named Idi Amin stayed in the News for very tragic reasons.😔B.W.
NWA Southeastern had an Undercard guy called Snake Brown "From Out of Town!"😂🎤🐍🤼♂️B.W.
Corn-mala
Merry Christmas 🎉
Jimala?
Johnny Bravo
The Sky Scapers were Mark Callus, Sid Viscious and Dangerous Dan Spivey. I wonder why Dan Spivey never got a "gimmick"
Waylon Mercy
@@LeoRyker got me there...I don't remember that one.
@@ryandavis4448 Bray Wyatt sure did
@@terrencewesterman851 the buzzard puppet? What's that got to do with Spivey?
@@ryandavis4448It was a good gimmick from the mid 90s. Unfortunately Spivey was not in the best physical shape at that point of his career and just as the gimmick started to pick up a little steam Spivey retired.
I've always thought there was a missed opportunity to link the original incarnation of Bray Wyatt to Waylon Mercy. In many ways the original incarnation of Bray Wyatt was an updated version of Waylon Mercy.
I don't see how one way is better then the other? I think it comes down to circumstances. McMahon came up with bunches of ideas and some worked and some didn't. At same time somethings come naturally out of a wrestler and develop. When it comes to creative if you are batting better then 50% you are doing great. Sure its probably better that it come somewhat naturally out of the wrestler because then he or she is more likely to develop it better and have it become part of them. Like The Rock or Steve Austin. In the case of The Undertaker, Mark should be glad Vince created it cause it sent him to the bank with a ton of money. What would Mark have been without that creative...good question. Guidance along the way is almost as important. But I agree that 100% scripting is not the best way to go at all.
It's less about the gimmick and more about the execution of it. Stone Cold Steve Austin's gimmick would fall flat if done by a lesser performer. Similarly the Undertaker's gimmick sounds stupid on paper. Crow Sting was the right performer, right place and right time. So on and so forth.
The Ravishing One/Ravishing
Rick Rude Jr. that’s my gimmick
Funaki smackdown numba 1 announca
All the Gimmicks are so lame. Thats why the Attitude Era, Hogan WWF Era and Ruthless Aggression era absolutely sucks. CM Punk exposed the wrestlers from those eras and thats why he is the BEST in the world. CM Punk is what a real wrestler looks like and im glad you agree Jim Cornette.
CM Punk is just a fake Stone Cold Steve Austin wannabe. And he's terrible at it.
I see a few Corn-mala comments..stay in your own lane, kids
Or just suck up to Triple HGH like Batista did and boom Championships
No..Jim...You couldn't get away with the ethnic aspect of Kamala these days either
Besides, these days, Kamala is the vice president.
yes you could. they're performers, or actors, or entertainers. They have every right to portrayals.
@Goawaykidyoubotherme Really? APOLLO CREWS WAS JUST CARRYING A SPEAR!
I am very, very, very, offended by this picture!
cool, the world will keep on turning
Suck it up
life is offensive, get used to it