Eminence Governor vs Celestion Vintage 30 Guitar Speaker Shootout
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- In this video: Eminence The Governor vs Celestion Vintage 30 guitar speakers shootout using 3 different microphones.
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Celestion sounds best for me - brighter and more pick attack. Thanks for the comparison
Very nicely done. I actually felt like nothing was purposefully colored and you gave a true representation of each speaker!
that's what i'm talking about! That was a REAL speaker comparison. Great Job dude!
Awesome video. I am glad we are finally getting some good video demos of speakers. I personally hate the v30s upper mids. I found that I really like the gov's less in your face high end. I have 2 of them paired with the stock celestion v60s that come in the ENGL standard cab. I am not doing much recording so I care more about in the room, which is obviously pretty different then what the mic is picking up.
Watching from rural America. I like your methodical approach, especially the points systems you use in guitar reviews. To my ears the vintage 30’s high end response is preferable. The difference was surprising. I play mostly blues and classic rock.
This was a great comparison video. Thank you!
Best comparison video on CZcams. The only thing I would change is something you touched on in the video which is a room mic to get a better idea of how it sounds in the room. It may be possible to do open and closed back comparison also but that seems like it would be overkill.
Excellent video! I don't know why you don't have more subscribers!
More of these, pls.
Cheers,
Nice comparison. Definitely different. I have a stack with Governor16 and The Wizard16 X pattern in each cab. I do notice the thicker bottom end on the Eminences. A little Tight and Presence settings on my Friedman BE-OD puts it right on-par with the Celestion when I want it, which isn't very often.
Love your scientific approach!
So much better than the common influencer's biased bla-bla-bla!
Thanks @iloveitall
@@MaxSoloMusic the v 30 sounds a bit more harsh high end than the Governor. Governor is definitely darker . I guess with an eq one could adjust either speaker to their preference?
Great video, man. I thought (hoped) they were more similar. The Eminence sounds like it needs quite a lot of break-in time.
I have a rather different question. That is, how do you like that cab?
I use Celestion golds alnico 10-inch in my smaller amps. As for the the marshal cabs - they are stock, running two half stacks in stereo at 200 ridiculous watts. I like playing the smaller cabs, as you don’t need an army to haul them and they are “wife friendly” volume wise. I’ve just thought these are great speakers - but are there better cabs. I noticed this wasn’t front ported for the 12’s - is it open back or ??
Anyway, what are your thoughts on that cab as it looks fairly easy to swap around speakers. - Great job 👍
This was a great video and just what I needed. I saw some Governors for sale on Craigslist and was wondering if I should replace the V30s in my 212 cab. I'll stick with my V30s.
So did you? If so, how’d you like it?
@@4142Wilb I kept the V30s in my 2x12, but in my Marshall 4x12 I replaced the Eminence speakers with two V30s and two G12Hs. I love them both.
I tried the Man O Wars against the Vintage 30s and its a total different ball game as compared to the Governor's..the Man O Wars just destroy them in both clean and distortion.
Thanks for the good comparisson !
Is it possible to do a comparrisson white thé Turbosound speaker from the bugera cabs.
Ik like your video,s 👍
Excellent video, thank you.
Glad to hear this comparison. Always thought they were the same, they are not. The Eminence is slightly duller. Not a bad thing, being as the in your face upper mids of the Vintage 30 can be annoying at times . Eminence, KY where the Eminence speakers are made is in my home state. I'd love to see if they offer factory tours sometime.
Celestion had the clarity and presence lacking from the Eminence speaker. I really kept visualizing a towel removed when the Celestion was selected. I agree with the mic placement effect and closed versus open back cabinet differences.
Hey buddy, Thank you for this video comparison I am going to customize my Mesa Boogie and your comments at the end of the video on the sound in the room means more then what I heard in the recording. I will go for the Eminence Governor since my boogie has an open back my Vox has a closed back with two vintage 30’s and I agree that the Celestion speakers sound awesome with a closed back. You saved me much toil trying to figure out what my choice will be. I play two electric guitars out of my eleven, I play a 1988 custom showcase Les Paul and a DIY telecaster I build two years ago. My favorite pedal is NUX Mod Core it get looped through the back of my boogie and it eliminates the two rack units I have connected to my Mac. I used to play out but fir the past 11 years I focus on my Job as Dad and teaching guitar to my boy. My name is Pete.
Seems like a combination of both would be fantastic
Hello Max, maybe adding a room mic next time just for reference? I think your demos are one of the best, with a clear goal and nice methodology. As I said in my other comment, it would be great if you could some how come with shootut out of speakers for those of us looking for higher powered greenback sound in a single speaker? I came across you channel because your AMT S2 demo, I am the owner of an AMT SS-20 myself, I also use a pair of 1x12 cabs, one with Celestion Century Vintage and one with a Lynchback but I was always having a hard time trying to get some Eminence speakers. Greetings from Mexico city.
Hey Javier. Wow, S2 video was made a light years ago! It was actually the first gear video on my channel. Yeah, when I began editing the audio I thought a room mic would be nice too but it was too late unfortunately. There is one more video on speakers coming out soon, no green backs though
Gotta try the WGS Reaper 30 watt. Probably never coming out of my cab (4X12). Sounds like it's in between these 2 tonally.
Of course I need to watch this first, but I hope you can do one about high power greenback like speakers.
What is that mic holder/clip thingy?
The formular is relatively simple. Especially on high gain the V30 cuts through the mix when you have like two guitars. It is just voiced more present. The governor is more on the belly site of things. Both are kick ass speakers. I have two closed back cabinets mid sized one with v30 and one with governors and it might sound stupid but i prefer the governor for high gains and the voicing of the V30s for clean tones.
In the end the mic positions has alot of impact on the tone. You will find a more present spot on the governor as well.
nice video! thanks mate and cheers
You had me sold on the Governor the moment you said it responded far better out of an open-back cabinet than that China-made Vintage 30 did in your comp test. That's EXACTLY the kind of speaker I was looking for to swap out the stock one on my Orange CR60C with since that combo amp has a semi-closed back design. Also looked at the Creambacks as well, but they don't really compare to the Eminence Red Coat line in the price/value ratio dept when it comes down to it...
;-p
Did you ever put the Governor in your CR60C? I have the same amp and I'm thinking about doing the same.
@@soopapoopadoopa Don't mind my comment too much, I was merely thinking out loud at the time (lol). I still have yet to get that amp, but it's definitely on my personal wishlist in the meantime. That said, yeah go ahead and roll with the Governor on yours! Can't go wrong there, just make sure you get the right Ohm version (16) for it. Celestion Neo-Creamback will also do well in it, especially if you plan on pairing your amp with a closed cabinet somewhere down the road.
😉👌
Интересно, конечно, и то попробовать, и другое. Дороговато только немного перебирать самому. Хорошо, что есть обзоры) Пасиб!
This is how a speakers comparison SHOULD BE DONE! excellent
Awesome comparison! This is how it should be done!!
Governor for me. No fizz...great video, dude!! Cheers from Argentina
I preferred the Eminence with the red basket and bigger magnet. I wonder if there's a difference in sound between the previous model and the current one with the cross brand standard basket with the seemingly smaller basket.
Can anyone help me out? Iam looking for a clean speaker for a 40 watt 6l6 combo amp. It currently has a Celestion 70/80 in it. Thanks
To me the Governor hid the fizzy solid state high end from the amps and it has a low end dynamic response that I liked!
Yes! I want to try one in my Katana
@@JRose342 I don’t think these types of amps should necessarily be modified as they are purpose built for the amp. They might not be just regular old guitar speakers. Do research first. As even an “upgrade” might make it sound worse.
Just move the mic.. Maybe away from the dustcap...
If anyone is worried about room sound, the best way to gauge this is probably with an omni mic, net the speaker, but not necessarily dead center to the cone and in the grill... Just enough to hear a good balance of the room and speaker... But then again, every room will sound a little different. 😂
I picked up 4 Eminence 12in wizards in a old cabinet today for 80$ . Guy said they were beast. Any good ideas on an amp I should use to power them?
I'd get a vintage boutique amp and start from there ' keep down gradeing until you you're not satisfied with the tone you're getting and then go back to the previous amp that you felt sounded the best.
Awesome video
very helpful
Would be interesting to compare the Mesa ‘V30’ along with these two.... Eminence kinda sounds in between stock and Mesa V30’s
Nice review!! I think a good comaprisson would be v30 vs the wizard and g1275t and the governos...
Spot on comment
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I've got the Eminence Governor and Man O' War together and I love them.
The Billy Gibbons combination, too!
I have cabs with both...I def prefer the vintage 30. Especially for driven tones.
I have a Friedman 1x12 with a Celestion Creamback closed back cab. I’m looking for a 100w speaker for pushed clean, ambient music as well as metal. I think the Eminence is a good option.
Nice cab. I have a 1x12 rectifier MESA with MESA V30 and a Friedman PT-20 driving it. Love that combination 😎👍
What about speaker for moddelers
Do you think blending the two would be cool?
I’d try them in one cab, why not
@@MaxSoloMusic I just did! Sounds awesome!! The Governors help tame the harshness, in the room at least. I've not yet tried recording em. I also feel they both have a different mid bump with the v30 being the more aggresive and the governor having it a bit lower but has an awesome bark to it. Would recomend!
It depends on the mic, but overall V30s sounded best. Got 2x12 V30s from Mesa. I would suggest to put them only on closeback cab..
I hear two speakers that would really compliment each other.
Indeed.
I’d like to hear these two paired up in a 212. I have a M65 Cream with a V30 in a 212 and it sounds killer!
I went with 2 1x12s, one with an eminence, the other a uk-made Celestion, it was just what I was looking for
My marshall TSL602 had a both inside. I replaced from Wolverine. Very nice
I made myself a 4x12 cab with 2 G12K100 and 2 Governors. The Eminences are loud as hell, and delivery a bunch of very well pronunced and agressive mid mids, very nice for lower tuned guitars, while the Celestions hold modern top highs and thick low ends.
Great comparison. I actually liked both speakers for different reasons. I put my practice rig together on a budget. Bugera G5 through an older Peavey 412 cab loaded with two eminence legend 1258 and 2 eminence legend 1275. For me it's a great mix of American and British sounds. From high screams to very low chugs it's all covered.
Which is brighter, twangier, chimier?
1258 or 1275?
I am torn between the two, they are my next favourite Emi speakers but never ever heard them in person.
Thanks in advance.
@@georgefromgreece4119 The 1258 are definitely brighter. The 1275 have a lot of low end.
@@grinningDEATH76 thank you a lot!
I own the 1218 which is really bass heavy and I want something to balance it out (my amp is dark).
I get it now, 1258s must be old Lady Lucks, an american voicing take-off.
Legends are top speakers!
Thank you so much Jeremy!!!
Stay inspired and rock on!
Cheers from Greece!!!
I have the same feeling about V30, too bright in the room, but great recorded... I love my Governor in the room but I find it too dark when recording.
Anyway, great video ! Thanks :)
I believe mic choice and its placement may fix that
Hi Kutey, and how about live situations?
Hi DeBoaZ ! I haven't try Governor in live situation, but the V30 yes, and it was too bright... I'm trying new speakers ATM to find my perfect balance between good sounding in the room and mic'ed !
@@KUTEY Thanks!
Vintage 30 sounds the best,more clearnes in the sound.i have also thé eminence legends and they sound good,maybe you could make a video about rose speakers,cool video.otherwise with gain the eminence sound less nose,but i think on a live stage you need to crush through the mids and highs so they vintage is still the best
The Governor sounds really good. It's less harsh and less tinny then the V30.
Governor on clean sounded better for me, but Celestion on overdrive was much brighter
I have both of these speakers! The vintage 30 is in a bugera v55 combo amp and the governor is in a 212 cabinet matched with a Texas heat. The vintage 30 is probably not the best match for the bugera 6l6 amplifier it can get very ice picky even though I've played through it for about 4 years now. The Eminence governor just sounds wonderful matched with the Texas heat really pushes air and just sounds great in a lopo line closed back 2x12 cabinet.
I can tell you that the vintage 30 does sound a lot better after it gets broken in but you have to realize it's a very efficient speaker and can get very loud and sometimes ice picky if you're playing through the wrong amp or a very bright guitar. The the vintage 30 would be a better match with the bugera v22 which has el84 tubes and is a little less bright. I have a cannabis Rex in the bugera v22 and it just sounds fantastic so I'm going to leave it.
I'll probably wind up putting a higher watt speaker in the v55 I think the 70 watt Eminence legend would be a good match.
Bottom line is they're both good speakers you just have to match them with the right amplifier and guitar.
Really nice comparison but I always feel videos like this should also demonstrate how close the speakers can be dialed in, as in sounding alike or just dialed into their best sound. Changing speakers without changing the EQ is good for demonstrating the initial differences but can sometimes make one speaker sound better or worse than the other unfairly. In the recording the Governor sounded flat, muffled and boring while the V30 sounds sharp, bright and forward but I don't doubt the V30 could be dialed back alittle and vice versa for the Governer. Do a series of test with the same EQ and settings for each speaker for the baseline difference and then a second series of test where you dial in each speaker to where you think it sounds best.
Just my perspective as this was an excellent demonstration but as with most I feel there is some dynamics not being addressed.
Anyways, great video! Thanks!
были оба у меня. оба продал. Jensen хорошие делает. Celestion use only Edngland made or for Marshall special.
I have 2 V30s in one cab and Governor + Legend in the other. To me Governor and V30 sound nothing alike. Legend sounds much closer to the V30. Governor is bottom heavy in my opinion, darker and fuller. Used to mic it at gigs, but now I always mic the emi Legend, since I feel like its a nice mix between the Governor and the V30s. Good video
i like wgs vetaran 30 or the new tonespeak liverpool 75 this are great v30 style speakers
Good video
Thanks
These would pair nice together.
The governor would probably sound great in a Boss Katana… I tried a v30 in mine and it was pretty harsh sounding
I put a swampthang in my Katana 100 , Huge inmprovement in balls & tone.
In reality one would adjust the amp settings to be optimal for whichever speaker.
The Governor sounds very nasal in the lower mids. Reminds me of Mesa amps. It could work well in a very bright and thin amp, to give it more body.
The V30 sounds obviously more familiar.
That's why cab IRs have revolutionized home recording. Now we have hundreds and hundreds of cabinets and mics to choose from, for little to no money.
I was very surprised to hear what's on the tape because in the room it sounded amazing. I still believe it is a better match for an open back cab than a Vintage 30
@@MaxSoloMusic Yeah, I remember you pointing that out in the video. It depends on what priorities someone has, I guess: do they care more about how it sounds when they're playing or how it records with the mic they have.
Nonetheless, it was a great demo and thank you for your meticulousness.
I did this same shootout and I chose the Eminence Governor. To my ears, it had more of a mid-range bite and less of a scoop.
I'd say the Governor is a better match for an open back cab
The V30 is the least scooped speaker ever. What you're hearing is a lot of high mids that they are known for.
The Eminence sounded like hearing the guy next door playing right before he got evicted. The Celestion sounded like being in the same room right before he got evicted. (way more highs)
open back comparison, wtf dude? sound quality was good though! you need to redo this with a closed back cab.
Governor is warmer, with earlier break up, would probably be really good in a bigger blackplate Fender, or give some snarl to them...
But I'ts mere speculation on my part, I'd love to hear it.
As for the Vintage 30, it's brighter, more detailed, less full, more cutting... the Chinese made version always feels a little more as if those qualities (or flaws..?) are a bit less balanced, a bit less refined. But maybe that's just me..?
Celestion a little fuller, the other has kind of a slight horn sound to it that isn't my pref.
Also, the V30 would kill it in a mix
Governor for when you're blending with a band, especially when the singer is going hard, doing rhythm guitar. Celestion for solos - even then you have to get rid of some of that fizz fizz crackle crackle
Did metal just meet classic blues licks
I find that the Eminence lacks presence, or has barely any mids and highs making it less defined. This is on all microphones. I would pick the V30. I know, I know.... But hey IMO it's just a great speaker!
Governor прозвучал как будто у него насморк. Интересно что вживую результат был не такой как на записи, возможно подход со строгой фиксацией положения микрофонов не очень хорошо работает для сравнения динамиков, и лучше для каждого динамика искать своё, лучше для него положение.
Именно! Те привычные положения микрофонов что я привык выставлять для Vintage 30 не сработали для Governor - надо искать другие, подходящие для него
Everyone says the Governor speaker sounds better in the room, bur in the mic it's terrible with overdrive or distortion compared to the V30.
I like better the V30 but I love even more the mesa V30 🤘
the filler music you add between speaker changes *DESTROYS* any possibility of comparison. Ear memory is very short and easily lost. Sorry. Until then it looked like a serious test. EDIT: ok, kept listening, you corrected that. Eminence in theory are Celestion clones, copying voice coil, magnets, cone, etc. but somehow never reach the Celestion openness. Eminence was dark-muddy while Celestion was bold and forward sounding. You find it "buzzy fuzzy" because you are alone in a silent room ; but in a live sound situation, with Club acoustics, the full band playing, specially the drummer, Celestion cuts through while Eminence does not,or much less. Full sound test is within a band situation. Nobody will ever listen at it with his ear 2 inches away from cone ... where those microphones are.
Yeaah he need more milk
Just thinking the same. A Less in video editing rather than speaker comparison
Holy cow. I would like to hear this redone after 150hrs of abuse per each element. Would the governor open up and be less muffled. Atleast v30 will mellow over time, in here it’s razor sharp and like you said, unpleasant. Both will work for something that’s for sure. Well excecuted comparison.
Eminence sounds very Anerican (think Peavey)..compressed with scooped mids. celestion sounds very British (marshall) mids and open sounding. IMO anyways.
Звучание.. Это такая неоднозначная тема, всё так относительно. Вот, скажем есть у меня старая гитара и новая. Старая приятно звучит в живую на том же 30-ом, мне нравится, но в линию писать её плохо, мутная, разве что бэком. А новая тоже хороша, но как на мой вкус, много выхлопа вживую, режет. Зато в линию писать самое то. Так и с этими динамиками. В этом тесте Винтэч конечно был стабильнее.
Well done comparison. V30 sure has its own sound. The Eminence sounded similar at low gain but when pushed it sounded like shit. Different amp, different guitar different results.
I prefer the v30 the governor had a bit of a mid range honk
Eminence's speakers are nothing to sneeze at.........Warehouse, Weber, Celestion, Jensen, Tone Tubby........so many options to explore.
You should exchange your scale because of its provocative name. XD
V30 sounds like your pulling the blanket off the cab.
Vintage 30 sounds a bit more brittle than the Governor
Eminence sounds like its wearing 3 blankets
nothing wrong with neither !
there's always been a lot of biased opinion regarding Celestion, yes it's good but there's plenty of of loudspeakers (minimum half a hundred manufacturers) that I like much more than the British conception.
Listening with headphones they sound exactly the same.
Iv finally decided I much prefer celestion voicing. The thing is I always was concerned with cutting in a mix but to be honest even with t75 celestions I can cut in a mix and they are known for being scooped.
The big thing is more mids on the lower end gives us guitarists a knee jerk reaction, “wow that sounds filler and more present without being shrill”
That isn’t some magical thing though, that is the nature of that frequency. You’re not getting celestion character punchyness with any darker mid speaker . Just like a guitarist can’t make a humbucker sound like a p90.
So if the worry is to cut better in a mix you’d have to ask “what makes me cut better in a mix?” . A lot of low mids is where vocals and bass would sit. On its own it sounds good tho. However it’s smart to leave those mids more open so that you don’t have to blast everything to compensate but can play at reasonable playing volumes on everyone’s part and still be totally clear and loud enough .
Another real issue which solidified my position on celestions is this . Punchiness . I noticed that you cannot get real expressiveness or punchyness from lower mid dominated setups.
Mostly low mid is a kid easier on the ears at times . But, it’s stiff. Playing riffs and digging into the guitar strings wont give you a high end punch that sounds 3D. It will just be a solid thump. It’s like playing with really thing strings.
It’s like a fender guitars fat punchyness vs a humbucker thick flatness .
The ideal thing is to get warmth from eqing and pickups that aren’t too top endy. And then punchy speakers . Not punchy in volume, but punchy is tone. Celestions are punchier in time because they are all scooped . Even their v30.
This gives the guitar a slinkier and more vocal sound. It sounds like it has nuance. A more dense speaker or pickup, or strings deaden the responsiveness. It sounds stiff and thicker . That works in recording for certain parts like rythm or if you’re a rythm player then yes.
However if you want to riff or even want your rythm to sound more dynamic and let chords bloom and cascade even with palm muting, a celestion is best.
You can hear it here when you palm mute. That open string attack and then muting after. It has a more vocal slinkyness to it.
Ideally I think a person can simply later different celestion speakers to get a thicker sound if they feel while retaining more of that spongey response . Once low mids are added more and more a sound will get not just warmer but less responsive . Itl respond but in a more subtle way.
I always like a darker thicker sound but then I realize the punch and wonkyness isn’t there. I prefer a livelier vocal delivery. The warmth can be added in or chosen by varying speakers . The cut is still there .
I have an eminence speaker amp and it has more of a thick full presence but it’s just a more bland sound and isn’t as responsive.
Even strumming a power chords soft on a celestion with distortion and slowly getting harder, you’ll notice how much they high end blooms. Try it on an eminence speaker and you’ll see the chords opens up less. It stays very one dimensional.
That’s what the problem is for me. I much rather have a more dynamic sound. I also use p90s though, which have a better midrange than humbuckers by far . Even with humbuckers tho, they are too hollow and less responsive than p90s, then add on ultra thick mid speakers, super stiff sound .
The v30 sounds alot more crisp
The same speaker can sound different depending on the amp used .A Marshal with a V30 can sound different to say a Peavey with a V30.So good video but you really need to try speakers with whatever set up the guitarists have.
The vintage 30 against the Governor but I'll take the Man O War over the Vintage 30s any day
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The Celestion wins.... hands down.
Vintage 30 sounds clearer imo
Totally agree 👍
2x12 cabinet is v30 and one eminence. best of bot tones
Governor sounds muddy to me.
V30 still wins. I prefer clarity
made in china v30 fizz just turns me off. Thank you for the comparison.