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MSI Project Zero and ASUS BTF are new no cable PC Build efforts. We review the MSI Project Zero B650M Motherboard and Case, and do a full MSI Project Zero PC Build. We also discuss the upcoming ASUS BTF Motherboards and ASUS BTF GPUs. We did have some MSI Project Zero PC Build Issues, so watch until the end to see if a zero cable PC Build is right for you! Overall we felt that if you are looking for the best PC Build 2024 with no cables, then a MSI Project Zero PC Build or ASUS BTF PC Build might be right for you.
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0:00 Cleanest PC Build EVER
0:31 Cheap Windows License
1:05 The Problem with No Cable Builds
1:27 This Fixed PC Case Issues
1:57 MSI Rear Connector Motherboards
2:29 ASUS Rear Connector Motherboards
2:50 No Cable GPUs Are Coming
3:29 MSI Project Zero Build Parts List
4:26 How to Build With "ZERO" Cables
5:22 I Would Normally NOT DO THIS!
6:00 No Cable Inspection
6:33 How to Do "No Cable" AIO & GPU
7:22 Crazy Amount of Rear Cables!
8:01 This Is An ISSUE!
8:52 OH NO! Rear Connector Problems
9:28 Is MSI Cheating Here?
9:59 RTX 4070 Ti Super Install
10:54 ASUS No Cable GPU is Coming!
11:34 Does It POST? Oh No!
11:50 Final Build, Pricing & Availability
12:53 Is "Zero" Cables Worth It? - Věda a technologie
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What do you think of "Zero" Cable PC Builds? Is this a good fit for you? Tell your story in a new comment below!
Surprised you didn't edit out the cats to avoid potential violation of animal labor laws? What you you pay them?
@@francoisdubois80 catnip..😹
For more than 30 years now I asked over and over again why the connectors must be where they are instead of any other configuration for easier cable management, and only just now someone decided to finally make it happen.
Exciting! There have been other attempts but this is the first one I think has some staying power due to the variety of compatible options
@@PCBuilderChannel I knew when Corsair made the Shift PSU models , cableless builds were in the near future! 😃
Cable extensions, that's why
You’d be rich if you had invented it when you thought of it lol. Darn
for 30 years they didnt matter, but smartphone generation is here and they think case look matters ^^
Something to make me want to build again.
It turned out pretty darn cool too!
Nice looking case. Seeing the spaghetti cables on the back made me reconsider a new build HA HA. I feel the same way as Jason.....who cares what the cabling looks like in the back.
@@PCBuilderChannel I am intersted in PC building how can we learn
Wow, the cut from the beautiful 'front' to the chaotic mess in the back at 7:30. Really hammers the "cable-less" concept.
Finally, i've been wondering for decades why there aren't more boards with connectors on the back.
Now at least two companies are getting into it.
I mean, pick your base locations for everything, have them all be on the front or back, then it won't matter which one your board uses, you can even mix and match if for some reason that is a benefit to your motherboard layout or whatever, cases can keep it into account, and you're done, every board should fit every case (with the same size and base layout like mATX, ATX, ITX etc.of course).
Cables can also almosty sure be shorter.
Hell, i would even like plug in boards, as in you plug in your motherboard into the case, that has an internal PCB, plug in your PSU, with maybe some small cables, and a case builder might even make some spots for SATA drives etc in the case, plug in your mobo, plug in 4 SATA drives on the back, they're connected. All you need really is again basic spots for all your base needs and the rest you can play around with.
Of ccourse a standardized PSU layout would also help, but that may be a bit too much, but hey, you can probably use a lot more smaller cables with even a max length of like 10cm and you're done, less cable clutter.
The no-cable design is really clean, but I will always love my cable extensions. They just tie the entire build's color scheme together.
Yeah. I also love seeing my cables. 🙂 Seeing how people come up with cool ways to manage them is nice. 😊
This is the best community ever !! Great channel!! Love the videos !! Keep them coming!!
this is so cool, watching you build for the first time was amazing! great video once again love from ireland!
Thank you so much!
@@PCBuilderChannel Np, I've learned som much about the pc world bcus of your videos. Im planning on a building my own pc in the coming future!
6:24 cuuute🥰🐈🐈⬛puddies restin* on the windowsill 🪟
An awesome-looking build!
Love to the cats lending a hand haha
The best team (;
Mr Bear looks like he has a 'healthy' appetite. 😂
I already have it thanks for the tip
The background music, I love it.
That rig looks slick 👌
Jason, first off hats off to you and Sarah again putting together another great video! Also the cat help was nice too!
I like the build very much, it looks sleek. Wish MSI would of sent you a White GPU though then it would of been perfect! My white 7900XTX Taichi would fit that build nicely!!!!
As far as the GPU connection, I think the power cable looks fine there.
With that being said, ASUS has already pulled their shenanigans on the whole GPU power to MB. You were exactly right about the compatibility issue you can ruin into if you want to upgrade or sell/trade the ASUS GPU.
Question, how did you make out with the cable management in the back? Was it much of a hassle as it seemed it could of been?
All in all, great job again and very informational.
Stay well!!!!!
Hi GD! Thanks for sharing! You're right a white GPU would also look great here. I should have done a time lapse on the back as I finished. The trick was identifying the order in which I needed to do the cabe management so as not to wall stuff off lol. Once that became clear it felt a bit like working in a mini itx build, tighter than normal but doable with some elbow grease.
That is the cleanest pc build I ever saw. Nice job, Jason
Thanks so much! I liked the way it turned out (:
I like your little cat helpers! And *cable management* can be a nightmare, like that closet in your house where you throw everything in and shut the door really fast so everything else doesn't fall out!
haha exactly!
very nice indeed
Excited to see where this goes. Here’s to hoping that this gets more attention and the cable connections get a little more love.
In building PCs for myself I have always found the connection points to be the least thought out. Often have conflicts or just having to bend wires. Here’s to Back to the Future Part 2. 😂
Well I did it!!
I got all the parts ordered for the AMD 7900 XT GPU and the 7800 x 3 d CPU build from this channel! Thanks for the videos!! Like I said before this channel is amazing and I definitely couldn't have done this without it.
Now building this thing...wish me luck
Awesome!! Best wishes on the build!! Let us know how it goes by posting a build pic if you like on Twitter/threads @pcbuilderjason
we need more cases and components that support this it looks so cleaaan....
I am encouraged by the number of cases this time!
Love your content
Thank you! So glad you are enjoying
Awesome video!
Thanks so much! Glad you liked this one :D
Totally Awesome! Will be my next build!!! Maybe in the Corsair Case though.
Love to hear it! :) And thanks for tuning in!
I am currently building this very same combo. I was really hoping you would show where on the motherboard you connected the various white cables from the case. Do all the JUSB's get connected? I've yet to install the liquid cooler. Looking forward to see this complete!
Wanting to do this in my next build. Thinkin of doing a custom loop too. Looks so clean in my head and i gotta make it happen
That would be beautiful!
Noticed your personal pc build in the background. Not sure this new "zero cable" version is any cleaner...but, hey, it's always fun watching you build.
Thank you! (:
Its interesting to see how much aesthetics becomes a factor in pc building. 20 years ago pretty much only the case represented your pc. A raccoon could live inside and no one would have cared. Now its down to the last cable.
For me, as kind of a oldschool builder, I prefer practicality and functionality above all. But it was a big step into the "new" trends getting a Fractal torrent with a glass side, RGB RAMs and the shiny 7900xtx nitro+..Some things change slowly but when practicality and aesthetics (and price) realign Im in.
Jason, can you provide a link to the small monitor you used when you checked to see if it posted? Thanks
awesome
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching
thanks for the video, i bought the same pc build and waiting for its delivery!
Exciting!
Nice build, I would try it if MSI also made a "No Cable"(shorter cable length) psu.
For build like this, I think it would be better if you get that new power supply that goes sideways, that way you would have straight shorter power cabling(straightforward)
your the man jason
Thank you! :D And thanks for tuning in!
I like the other msi case much more
I'm waiting for Lian Li O11 vision back connect. Hopefully, there will be more back connect gpu by the time that pc case is out.
Finally, it is not so much about cleanliness, much more about ease of installation and servicing. put the cabling to the back, also for pcie components with the back to the future.
Solid build. Call me old-fashioned, but I like the cables. I like the added flair of custom cables as aesthetics are usually a good portion of my budgets for my builds. I do like how clean and minimalistic this looks though. Definitely a beast of a gamer.
dumb question but where doesd the pump cable go and the fan cables on the radiator go
nice build
Thanks! And thanks for watching, hope you keep enjoying all the content :)
Looks good! Now we need a PSU with side mounted connectors as well!
Yes!
There's at least 1 psu like that already but I agree that more would be good when this becomes more standard
That case and mobo would probably go great with one of the GPUs that hides the power cable under the back plate of the GPU.
Yes!
Sweet!
Hope you enjoy!
I'm pretty sure there were graphics cards that you could plug in from the back as well
Asus BTF is coming out with them but they aren’t here yet
Hey man, I couldn't find any video of this on your channel so I just wanted to ask: There is so much conflicting information regarding bottlenecking (especially when it comes to CPU + GPU combos) and I was wondering if you could make a video explaining this or if you could recommend any other video/website explaining this? Thanks in advance!
Already got you! See our Best CPU/GPU Combo 2024 video!
This project is zero from msi with no cable and is an absolutely amazing build i love it.
It turned out really clean!!
I think these MB's could be the new "std" if they just lower the cost of the MB. For me I love the look of the cable connectors behind the MB! Awesome looking PC!!
Agreed!
MB companies need to have a default setting that's a baseline to the manufacturers' recommended specs. Then if we want to chance taking things beyond spec, that's on the end user. It should NOT be the default setting to have everything turned up to 11.
I’m still partial to neatly combed cables
Maybe case makers should start to make motherboards,with alittle bit more roo. In theback, for spaghetti management. Good build, video. Thanks for sharing👍🏻🔥
Not a bad idea! Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
It's so nice to see Mr. Bear and his primordial pouch strutting around in full splendor (11:35).
Mr. Bear appreciates the attention! And he thanks you for watching :)
what is that screen you used at the end to see if it posts?
I dont see this working well for horizontal cases. I don't mind doing cable management though.
I think this the first time I have watched one of these builds and it was nice to see it going together. If these setups catch on I wonder if L brackets will be easy to get soon. All hail Mr Bear and his supervisors.
Thank you! Mr Bear approves
Another Good Video
Thank you! And thank you for being a channel member!
Love the look, but would be hating life dealing with the cables on the back. True cable-less would be 100% power draw through the motherboard, but doubt that'll be any time soon.
You know what would be cool for the Zero cables and could work for GPU Cables in this case
MSI should make a Vertical mount for the GPU that Vertical mounts the GPU UPSIDE DOWN
SO that the front part where the cable plugs in becomes the bottomand then you just have a slot along there that gets covered by the GPU where the cable feeds through.
You just make it so it plugs into the PCIE slot then runs to the Upside down GPU and just change how the GPU COnnects to the rear of the case vertically.
Then you just have to make sure Airflow can be maintained as the Fans would point toward the Mobo which I Initially didn't think of haha.
Normally I'm not a Vertical person but in this case it would totally do it for me
You're making me want to rebuild my PC even though it's fine the way it is 😂😭😅
I know right? lol
I was surprised how nice this turned out
Are they going to make a All black version of this?
This concept will be great for system integraters. If this is standardized then entire case and psus could be prewired, reducing a ton of the on demand labor costs and possibly something a machine could do in the future, which everyone hates but is good for cost effectiveness. It looks amazing though, not sure I'd pay the premuim for it today but I'll definitely end up with a back build one day.
Well said! Happy Sunday Spoon, hope you are well
How was the cabling for the motherboard to the case light and power button?
Not bad once I figured out the order I needed to cable manage in order to not block things (;
what could cause a cpu's internal memory controller to fail? Mine did and I had to replace the cpu. I thought it might be the mobo or the ram but after swapping those out, I still couldn't boot, until I swapped a only 3 month old 7800x3d based on a suggestion from someone at the msi forums that it could be a bad IMC on the cpu.
Could running amd expo cause unknown wear? Could running a negative PBO? I was running -30 on all cores but never had any crashing issues.
Heck could running cable extensions. I took off extensions off the cpu but still had some on the atx cable and eps.
I'm just trying to figure out what could have caused my cpu to go bad so early.
If the IMC fails, it likely was just bad silicon. Some % of all CPUs fail and you just got unlucky. Running EXPO or XMP timings (or just manually overclocking it) should not hurt the IMC unless your are doing something silly like running over 1.45V. Most XMP / EXPO voltages I've seen do not exceed 1.35V.
This looks so clean!
I would pay for this if I could afford it
It turned out cooler than I expected!
Jason’s face genuinely confused by back to the future 😂
Don't entirely get it not going to lie lol
Seeing your cats sleeping together with your other cat (don't know name) having their leg on top of Mr Bear was so cute.
The idea of cables on the back of the motherboard is an interesting topic. Will I buy one? Not currently because it's not mainstream enough yet and I think there needs to be standards set that all manufacturers follow.
Mr. Bear loves his new family :) Yeah it is! And thanks for watching ;)
Can you do videos using microcenter bundles to build a pc? Microcenter often has significant discounts where they bundle a motherboard, ram, and CPU.
Gosh I’d love to but there just aren’t enough locations for that video to be relevant to enough people. But if you watch our Best CPU/GPU Combo 2024 video that should help you pick yours
How did you handle the cables in the back? I have the project zero motherboard with that same case. I had a very difficult time closing the back of the case because the cable stuck out so far.
I should have done a time lapse of it sorry. Once I identified the order I needed to organize the cables in it wasn’t so bad. I’d compare it to the difficulty of a mini itx build. And remember, if the case closes you’re good (;
Love the idea of a no cable build! Personally I welcome the idea of a fatter case so that cable management would be easier and hidden.
If the PC is going to have all the cables in the back, they should have more room for the cables like in my Corsair 5000D
Lisa is getting into it more & more. Only one shot of her brother & Lisa asleep on the window sill
That build would look nice with the power cable for the GPU being RGB
What about a white GPU & its power cable & run rotating RGB fan lighting?
Agreed! And yes Lisa loves getting in front of the camera like Ambrosius. So far her brother Waffles is less interested (;
When I'm finally brave (and rich) enough to do a full build, I may go this route - - it looks super nice! ❤
I am excited at how well it turned out! And you got this when the time comes (:
Your cats are so sweet🥺
The best pc building team (;
You sometimes mention downvoltage (or something like that) when overclocking. Why is it lower than the standard voltage.
Back in the day we used to increase it, like from 1.5v to 1.55v or 1.6v when we increase the clockspeed, sort of helped to compensate for the power demand and heating issued maybe. Why lower now?
Chip production is better is the simple answer. A combination of smaller dies, so less opportunities for flaws and improved processes mean more chips will be better and more efficient than the bare minimum spec. Undervolting was used in the olden days to but less frequently because fewer chips could benefit.
Voltage is what provides stability, but also where the heat comes from. So if overclocking, for instance, you increase voltage to run stable at the higher clocks. These days hardware manufacturers often use much higher voltage because that means fewer of their products will be unstable (often resulting in a returned product). So it is possible to undervolt GPUs & CPUs so that you run them at the same clock speed and just reduce the operating voltage a bit to reduce the heat load. But that can also lead to instability, so the trick is to only reduce voltage enough to reduce heat, but not introduce instability.
Maybe .... maybe it's time to build a new PC 🖤
I was surprised at how much I enjoyed this one... (;
If only I could have done this for my NAS build (repurposed 7700k office PC). 6 hard drives, a SAS HBA, and an RX580. In a microATX case.
The cable management is a disaster... and I still have to install a couple more fans!
Edit - I have an idea to improve it, but it'll be a total pain...
Sending good vibes for it!!
I’m going for my first pc build and I’m a bit confused if my 4080 super FE would be a contender to take advantage of the zero cable features?
Check out the video for more, the GPU in MSI Project Zero has the cables and you can use any option
I have a feeling that this is the future.
I remember my first jumperless Abit board back in the day. It was just one of a few boards with that feature. Then everyone had it.
Quality Control
Could be!
Now, if they can only streamline tower size.
I like the look, but I don't like this case. Hopefully this will be wide spread. Moving all the cables to the back looks very nice.
There are definitely other case options!
use a 180 adapter on graphics card
I’m new to PC building and I’m looking to build my first PC so excuse the ignorance, but would this machine, exactly as shown below able to handle any games at 4k with max settings or is it not quite there?
Yes. 7800X3D is the best current gaming CPU and as long as you pair it with one of the GPUs we recommend you will end up with a great 4k build. This is the MSI project Zero build though so you might want to take a look at a more standard build list as well. Check out our regular 7800x3D build guide on the channel for more. And as a newcomer I'd also watch our PC Parts Explained 2024 video and our Best GPU/CPU Combo 2024 video to get you ready to pick your parts
@@PCBuilderChannel Thank you for taking the time to share this information! Its greatly appreciated.
FYI the Asus GPU that has the power connection at the bottom that plugs into the Motherboard does NOT pull power from the Motherboard, you have to plug the GPU power cable into the back of the Motherboard.
Since I go for mesh panels rather than glass, I don't see the cables anyway, I wonder if this is going to be like RGB where everyone has their own proprietary solution.
Part of why I think this will succeed is that MSI and ASUS have partnered with case manufacturers to come up with a standard for the rear cable pass throughs. But we'll see if it catches on!
where can i buy this already-built pc?
is there 24pin L shape adapter
I'm terrible at cable management, so a cableless build is something I'd like to see more of. Cableless GPU's would be a huge step in eliminating cable clutter
Excited to see what ASUS brings to the table with their cable less GPUs launching soon
TBH, $450-ish for Case/Mobo/PS is less than I would have guessed. I hope this concept gains some traction in the marketplace... And that someone works on a solution for fans. TBH, I've never been less challenged by mobo cables than I have the rats nest associated with fans. At least ARGB hubs make it easier to hide the mess in a central location...
I know right? Im encouraged by the pricing on this
love this new era of Zero Cables....now if only the GPU can adopt this concept as well...
Asus BTF will have a GPU option when it comes out
5:50 cat🐈🐈⬛’astrophy incoming …… and luckily averted 😇😅😂🤣
Phew! Haha Thanks so much for watching and for your continued support!
How many times did you say during buildig"I wouldn't normally do it this way"? Like learning to walk all over again?
Its true! Its strange to build in a new way but it came together real nice
The cat even checked the fan bearing before you installed the ram, how thoughtful of him.. 😹
So thoughtful! Such a good supervisor ;)
@@PCBuilderChannel 😹😹😹
If I can get the
AMD Ryzen™ 7 5700X for the same price should I get that instead? Or could this cause some kind of a bottle neck?
I would be using a 4060
I don’t recommend the 4060 (see our Best GPU for Gaming 2024 video for more) but if that’s what you’re going with save money and go 5600. 5700 won’t give you any boost with that GPU
It's a great idea, but personally, I would wait another generation or two. Give them some time to work out the kinks, like the 24-pin and usb3 location. On top of that, I would hate to buy all the parts, only to see MSI release a 60-series card with power thru the rear like the ASUS cards. They definitely look amazing though.
Early adopters are always running some risks for sure (:
So how did u manage to get the side plate on with the mobo connector?
I was able to press down the 24 pin motherboard PSU connector, and when I put the rear panel on I pressed into the middle of the panel a bit to secure it. Note that I don't think this would work with all PSU cables, as the MSI ones are not hard bundled at the end of the connector like some others are. I would definitely use the MSI PSU or you could use a 24 pin cable extension as those are usually not bundled at the end.
Subbed because your cats help build pcs
Thanks so much for the sub! The cats appreciate it :)
Hello I want to buy a new PC for content creation + gaming.
I have a 4070.
I was initially thinking of a ryzen 7800X3D due to its efficiency and performance.
But, I think maybe the 13600K is a better option due to itsperformance in programs for productivity.
Which should I choose?
I would go 14600K if in the US since it isn't that much vs the 13600K or 7800X3D. 14700K is another good option. Intel would be better for Content Creation but the AMD would be better for Gaming.
Answered elsewhere (:
I just built and I don't build often so I'm not in the market. But hey anybody can use a Dremel and make the slots needed in any existing case. I bet someone will offer stencils, jigs, and custom grommets. This is a step in the right direction. Cables can be much shorter. Nobody realizes PC cables are probly junk with low or no copper content. So less cables is a very good thing. Seriously there should be more scrutiny on wire content.
I'd like to see a similar build with a "traditional" cables pc and compare the two builds in terms of price to performance. Do they cost about the same or does the "cabless" build cost more and is it worth the extra cost?
The cable less builds do cost more. You are paying for the look. We have a traditional 7800X3D sample build in our “Best Builds February” video in the “builds and parts list” on the channel page if you want to check that out to compare
It sure looks nice, how often do you need to dust it?
With the amount of cats in this house probably fairly often lol
@@PCBuilderChannel LOL, comparing cars, black and white show dirt/dust quickly.
And I have those exact RAM sticks for mine, just in black! G.Skill Trident Z5 32GB DDR5 6000MHz
Nice!!
Huh, I’m actually putting that same CPU in my dream build. Ryzen 7 7800x3D and Sapphire Tech Nitro+ RX 7900 XTX. I really need to focus on that build now. As my laptop I ran every day for 3 year is gone now. If I could get even an inexpensive 3050 prebuilt from someone like NZXT, that would make it less of an urgency. Right now, outside of my PS3 and Series X that constantly has World of Warships Legends crash, I’m probably gonna find other things to do. As I’m not much of a console gamer anymore. I spent much more time on PC games than console. In fact, my Series X at one point hadn’t been turned on in almost 2 months. It was only turned on to watch the 4k Blu-ray of Oppenheimer when it was delivered. Because I hardly play on Xbox anymore, I figured it would be better just to sell it and get a dedicated Panasonic DP-UB820 4k Blu-ray player.
That's a great combo! Check out our 7800X3D build guide on the channel if that's useful. We do that same combo there
Just keep an eye here for deals. He is excellent at finding sales and helping you find the parts you need to get your build optimized. That's how I built my first pc. Buying one piece at a time is okay, but if you need to rma something, it makes it more urgent. If anything, I've noticed in the summer(June-August)sales fire up on many parts.
I’m building a similar system to transition to PC gaming with the help of the PC builder videos as I’ve become more into game preservation. I feel like my build wouldn’t make him go ‘ay yai yai yai yai’