Ashes of Creation is NOT a NICHE MMO!
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- A lot of people seem to think Ashes of Creation will be a NICHE MMO. I tend to think that is not a foregone conclusion, and this MMO could be bigger than most think!
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The Niche is wanting a video game MMO and not a chore with gambling simulator.
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Anything less than 17 years for Alpha 2 is pure cope.
I honestly have no idea lol. Could be less than my prediction for sure. I just don't think I've ever seen an MMO as complex as the one they are making. And full development really only started in 2021, IMO.
Great video! When do we get to look forward to your updated everything about ashes video?
This Saturday, midday my time
I feel like people forget that Ashes of Creation is developed with Unreal Engine, and will continuously be updated, whether we are on Unreal Engine 6, 7, or 22.
Let the game cook. We've waited this long, and will get Alpha 2 starting in the NEXT QUARTER of THIS YEAR, that will continue up until launch. Whenever that may be. (2027 at the earliest imo)
Agreed
IMO, ashes is a collection of niches, PVX, unrestricted OW PVP, old-school, sandpark... there are many niches that would normally drive players away, but ashes also has a lot of interesting systems. So the question is if this conglomeration of niches will be carried by its systems, attracting a generic audience to have a playerbase in the millions, or million at least.
Agreed
I don't see this game having more than 60k monthly players (as in, players that log in for few hours, more than once a month) a year in its life cycle. At launch, sure, probably in milions, but this game seems to be very time consuming and time demanding, with severe punishment for death, and with favouritising sunking hours daily, while barely rewarding few hours of playtime per week.
In modern day of gaming, with majority of MMO target audience working/having family, and by that limited time, and the genre being unable to atract younger players ( AoC does many things old school way and in contrary to current middle/high schooler wants and likes) it is condemned to be smaller game.
The concepts and mechanics, as much as very intresting for a true MMO fan will be hard to accept for a casual player (majority of players and spenders), because they have completely different expectations. Open OW PvP (aka PvX), high risk high reward, a lot of time sinks, restrictions and forced exclusivity (houses, mounts, freeholds) are in contrast to what all well faring MMO's of today do, and I highly doubt that 180° turn will bring us renaissance and new Golden Age of the genre.
I think it's biggest hurdle will be the always on PVP.....not that that is a bad thing, but WOW has sure done it's damage when it comes to open world PVP....kill with no repercussion is a sespool of asshats just foaming at the mouth. I do hope the penalties will be hard to discourage it enough that casuals can have a good time and not have to worry as much as they would have in WOW while out in the world. Another great video.
Agreed
4 to 5 year alpha is a crazy statement. Id give it one year tops
My guild leader is a doomer by nature, lol and since its biggest comp got restarted, it safer for them to go longer. But it would actually be horrible for the game.
There is absolutely no way they can develop all of the systems they have promised in just one year. 4 to 5 years sounds about right, and that is my biggest worry. Will people get burned out if the game takes that long to develop?
@@aven3384 systems yes, content no
alpha always takes ages, once they enter beta the development process will ramp up since they dont have to construct the more complexe foundations anymore.
They're already showcasing starting gear sets (Py'Rai) so how far away can it really be?
I kinda forget these videos are about MMO's/Ashes. I'm just here for the sponsor baby. Wheelin and Dealin
My man!
Thx for the vid!
Thanks! 💯
Good stuff
I really hope is not four years, that would discourage a lot of people as the game would be mostly solved by when it launches. More than a year and a half would be suicidal in my opinion.
There is a trade off between adequate testing and spoiling the game that has to be found. I would rather the game be fully tested.
Lookin forward to Ashes, but the one big thing that worries me is the always on pvp. I generally don't care for this. I like PVP when it's intentional for me.
Yeah, we'll see
The biggest problem with just looking at the boards because there are always going to be highly vocal people usually want something that makes their class the best or a type of play that most players don’t want or like. Killing endgame content by breaking the player base up.
Yes
THE WHEEL!
Truth
Can't believe that wheels are doing so well for themselves. Can't go anywhere without seeing one now. They even attach them to chairs these days. Call it a wheelseat i think
Hell yeah, wheels are living good these days
Only thing I wish AoC had when in comes to player classes is the DRUID.
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Really good video. I 100% agree though, wheels are good.
World of Warcraft which arguably was a niche game as you had to be someone who was willing to devote all your time and effort into that game specifically which will be a similar thing for ashes what is Anish game even if it did hit 12 million players at one point. Mind you that the total world population is around 8 billion now and on top of that, a lot more people are playing video games than they were in past so MMORPGs are still a niche experience and especially a real one that actually both values your time and requires that time investment is especially going to be like that. Beyond that how many of those millions of players are people who wouldn't be interested in ashes on release but don't realize that yet because they haven't looked into what ashes will be like enough and have only heard the surface level
Basically, I agree that ashes of creation will probably become the mainstream MMORPG but you got to keep in mind that the MMORPG playerbase is still a niche playerbase for the exact reason that it's not something most people would like as it both takes a lot of time investment with a true MMORPG also requiring a shit ton of teamwork and honestly social understanding to be able to work together with your guild and also figure out ways to cooperate with other guilds in ways that don't result in unnecessary Wars when it could have been resolved by giving them one resource node and they give you a different one
Agreed.
If the alpha/betas go for to long that could also kill the game. Sure new players will join after launch, especially if streamers/youtubers can keep the hype. But if the core community is playing their characters for several years few are going to want to start completely fresh unless they lock out enough content/continents that alpha/beta players get to play the game without a "been there, seen that, did that already" mentality
But mention it will be open so every will see everything for years, people who have there mind made up.
nah warframe is still in beta, it hasn't killed the game, nobody cares about the name attached to the version of the game they're playing.
You're forgetting what Steven did to get the money. Selling is his superpower, repeat sells in particular.
Server wipes, resets, maintenance downtimes are planned for alpha. As well as facilitating testing selected systems. Starting fresh on launch is something alpha players will have been used to by the time the game launches. Alpha is for testing first and foremost, as Steven emphasizes every time this concern comes up.
There is a balance between not testing enough and spoiling the game. I would rather they test everything fully
The second pronunciation was correct. Lol good video though!
100%... it's "NeeeSH" :D
The Knights of NeeSH
Seems the consensus 😂
i played albion online, i still do actively. i know a niche mmo when i see one. just because it has a few very watered down aspects of more "risk v reward" games like albion online does not make it something only 2% of mmo players will enjoy.
Albion is way more Niche. Isometric, mobile friendly, full loot
@@RyveGenesis that’s exactly my point.
this game will have literally most content that exists in any mmo (atleast on paper so far) how can it even be an niche game. Just because it has a mechanic some people dont like doesnt mean they wont play it for all the other content. People who say that it is a niche mmo are complete trolls.
That's my argument essentially yeah
It is for tab target players
I mean, it's not full TAB per se
i dont think game will take more than 3 years to fully release.. and lets hope not everything will be available during alpha 2 it might be really damaging for full release.. but i think that player that dont want any pvp will suffer since all raids and stuff will be openworld. we can only hope for the best
People forget how full PvP was handled in Shadowbane and WoW. High powered guildies and alts.
Nothing annoys a ganker more than becoming gank bait. Even with corruption, five high levels can kill a ganker 5 times with mild penalties.
It's just a matter of how much complexity is in this game. I just think they have a lot of development left to do
According to my admittedly inaccurate calculations, John and Steven should recoup their investment if they have 1 million subs for 10 months. That does not include pre-orders.
Which is one reason I have a copium sub for this game. It is their money on the line, and if they make a great game, they'll retire.
Could be
The issue is its pure pvp. People will jump in fast, realize they are getting mega murdered because they are casual pve players, and quit. Numbers decline, servers die while transfers cost money so more people quit and bam you have new world.
Maybe
ooh ooh, you forgot the most common thing, the thing that makes wow suck currently. X posted a guide on all the bis gear, and talents, and spec, use it or no raid spot 4 u. Everyone has to have rocket boots or you lose your raid spot. The gatekeeping inside the community instead of just having fun exploring the world, trying new builds and specs and figuring out fun new things, instead of running to quest guides/ class guides/ spec guides, and telling people they must follow cookie cutter thing or they are wasting your time.
Yeah, that can certainly be a problem. With no official add on support, no APIs, and with each server being different... It could be a little different in this one. We'll see I guess
Niche or not PvP centric games do not have a lot of competition.
Do you mean to say PvP centric games have little competition for the fact that they are PvP centered, or that there is little competition because majority rules the game isn't PvE friendly?
@@ryucrat2023 i mean most competitive players will pick this game by the lack of alternatives. as long as you have a decent sized comunity the game will get better over time.
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I bet Ashes gonna reinvent that sponsor
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I fucking love wheels
Hell yeah!
To me, Ashes of Creation is a Multi-Niche game. Lots of different kinds of players.
EDIT: Let's hear it for Big Wheel!
Hot Wheels - all the way
@VicePinaColadaHairless-bb8xp No.
What I am saying is that a variety of niche players may each find what they seek.
For example, I myself haven't played MMOs in over two decades but am impressed by the ambitious design, especially the node system, and am attracted by the challenge of mastering such a game,, especially the opportunity to work the player economy.
I don't like PvP, but am willing to engage in it as the price of admission.
I know of other players who are eager to craft game items that will matter to players, but likewise aren't interested in PvP..
Others are very interested in one on one PvP, but aren't interested in combat between Guilds.
And so on.
Rather than, say, a game which seeks to scratch popular itches, like a WoW or FF XIV clone.
@VicePinaColadaHairless-bb8xp Glad to help, especially since it's your time I am wasting.
Didn’t know it was a snitch MMO
It is
Niche will be the new popular
Maybe
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is niche my dude, just answer this questions: pvp is part of the main game?, is a "social MMORPG"?, Is made for "veteran MMOplayer"? if you answer yes to any of this questions is niche, pvp hardcore or not is niche, for example many of my friends(myself included) if a mmo have PVP as a big part of the game, is a big No for us
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Its not niche at all. There is just millions and millions of us folk who love and loved MMO's sitting back waiting for something wicked to arrive haha. Just look at when WoW classic happened. So many of us all came out of the woodwork and smashed that until the end of Naxx and then when tbc came out it slowly tapered off. just between ff14 and WoW alone is a big active community chillin/waiting that will defo give AoC a try when it comes out
Indeed
One huge factor is going to be the price of PC gaming at launch.
PC gaming is currently in the worst state that it has ever been, and so far it seems it is only going to get worse in the near future.
Ashes is going to require a very beefy PC to run it smoothly, and a lot of gamers like myself are choosing consoles over PC, because 2000 dollars for a graphics card is just ridiculous.
Intrepid should definitely consider adding consoles to their launch if they hope to retain a large player base.
you do not need a 2k$ graphic card lmao. you'll run the game with a 3 year old card overclocked...
@@pogo6543211111111 tell that to dragon's dogma 2
They've released specs for A2. It's not that bad. And it's not optimized yet
If executed correctly, with the involvement of MMORPG players who grasp the evident reasons behind MMORPG failures, it can succeed. Games like Lost Ark and New World displayed significant issues, which were painfully apparent, I regret to admit. Ashes of Creation has the potential to address these issues and sustain a large player base successfully. For instance, by avoiding dry content in the late game and ensuring fulfilling questing experiences, the player base can immerse themselves in lore, gameplay, and meaningful interactions with others, without feeling punished for playing together as many MMORPGs tend to do in the late stages. Like NW has still no Ship and Cargo runs where are the Ship figths u still have no swimming like come on bro u can yapp about it for hrs.
Agreed
This game is literally a wow copy they just renamed the abilities the fighter is a warriors with all the same abilities with crazier animations and different names.
No. Look at similar archetypes in other MMOs. They all have a similar kit. Leaps are not something only found in WOW. Outside of that, there literally is nothing similar between Ashes and WOW, when you get into the actual systems.
@@RyveGenesis they copied the abilities 1 for 1. Charge heroic leap bladestorm rend. I will not hear your drivel
Well it is Niche in the fact that it only PvP so, you are already starting out in a niche market.
That is the one reason I will never play it, just not into PvP.
I do however wish the game success because it looks awesome.
I am always hopeful that someday Steven will allow PvP/PvE flagging and I will be able to play it but until then I will just watch from the nose bleed section :)
That's fair
It depends upon whether or not they get the game out before all the boomers die. j/k, but not.
True 😂
Nich haaa
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If alpha 2- beta 1- beta 2 lasts longer than 2 years game is gonna die. They need to polish the game asap and release it to the people who are not willing to preorder a game for 250$. Because those fanatics that did so are not gonna form a healthy community.
This has killed more games than I can even remember. Publishers so afraid of losing buyers, they force the game out early. Re:. Bad Launches.
@@Krieghandt Dude the game was announced in 2016, i think its fair to say hype is pretty mediocre at the moment and as we can see their game is quite literally being outdated before it even comes out (in terms of graphics and functionality). so overall its pretty reasonable to expect them to at the very least pick up the pace of development.
@@Krieghandt but they are gonna launch in Q3 of this year dude. Call it alpha 2, beta fucking gamma or sigma. The game will be in the hands of a select few players who believe in the project fanatically enough to spend 250$ on it before it's even done. And you only make the 1st impression once. And that one 1st impression will be the alpha 2. And if the rest of the potential player base can only experience the game through those who have spent 250$ on a game that doesn't exist then it's gonna be a quick death of said game.
@@HalIOfFamer LoL. You're preaching to the choir. I've supported SC since 2014. I prefer bug free, low content than vice versa. I can always come back for DLC. I won't come back if it was a buggy mess.
That thinking is what went wrong with new world Jeff Bezos said launch now and it was not ready better to avoid that mess step
it will be niche and will have the same fate as wild star, boring, can be played only as group, mmorpg
Maybe
I am outraged when you say niche when it's actually pronounced niche. I totally agree that the A2 will last a minimum of 3 years. Too many features yet to be seen and too much land mass to fill up. Naval content is a full game in and of itself. My guess is that we well see well north of 200K at launch, and close to 50K long term. 50K is plenty for any sort of testing that needs to be done. My current major concern is the current server architecture is unstable and can't handle thousands of players. In the Caravan stream, having all the participants use an instanced model for their class is a glaring red flag for me. I won't mind being wrong, but I suspect that launch will be pushed back to 2025.
Yeah, full launch a long ways off. A2... Hard to say but I still think this year
Bro, i played this game at PaX Prime in 2017.
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This game will not be for everyone. There will be a group that quit after the first month or two. They will come to this place and cry how screwed up the game is. The author of this video may be one of them. I may be one of them. The game will not be perfect at release. The game will never be perfect. Most of these are facts. Some, well have to see.
I played and enjoyed similar MMOs, so I will be here long term. Many others will likely realize it's not for them over time.
they dont have 4 or 5 years, dont release it soon its dead
Why?
lol
Lol
Its just a scam
Nope
yes it is, and it is a scam
Okay
How did you still fuck up pronouncing niche
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