Swapping out an HPS for an LED street light
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- čas přidán 14. 10. 2023
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I was initially capturing this for a full day episode of "being a lineman", but the day ended up consisting of a whole lot of phone calls and e-mails. I just pulled this one clip for now but captured some great footage the following day! I'll have that episode up very soon!
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Any chance you can run over how you set your bucket up with tools and how you store them please
Your an beast 💪 keep up the good work brother, been watching ur vids as long as I can remember, and ur an amazing CZcamsr my guy please keep it up
high pressure sodium lights are my favorite
The older fixtures are getting really desirable for collectors.
I still like the old traditional cobra head fixtures with the prismatic drop glass lens...
Im of the "come home when the street light comes on" generation. Ive swapped HIDs to LED 1000s of times but honestly I like the orange glow of HPS.
Hello my friend, this is Athena from ZENLEA Lighting. We are focusing on LED street light, road light, high mast light. Do u have any purchase plan recently? We can provide the solution and quotation list for you reference. We are the top-1 OEM/ODM manufacturer led street light solution.
Iirc they make leds that are warmer in color temperature, almost hps like
A lot of places are moving back towards replacable bulbs, where they keep the old fixture but with led bulbs instead of hps
Was about to say that, so many times the entire fixture dies. I'm just a commerical/residential sparky in the uk, not a lineman, but we've taken to installing stuff with replaceable lamps now, due to the public perception. If the fitting fails, they consider it to be low quality cr@p... if the lamp only fails, it's 'just a blown bulb'. Plus you have less holes in the building from changing fixtures
@@TheChipmunk2008ceramic metal halide lamps are becoming increasingly popular as all it takes is a bulb swap.
They know retrofit with led bulbs is way cheaper and last for years. LED fixtures are garbage.
@@WAKE-UP-AMERICA-FJB not exactly, my council went with urbis schrèder axia 1s which have replacable diode blocks and drivers and the earliest units fitted were in 2012 and they still work with no issues, the individual diodes fail after 10 years but only 1-3 fail out of the 8 in each block.
The council are holding off on replacing the heritage posts with LED replicas, only 15 posts are LEDs due to them being in a new major development within one of the estates in that zone and the ones that had HPS within the estate have ceramic metal halide lamps fitted due to the council having a conservative approach to climate change and massive budget.
My council also uses mayflower automation system to automate the lamps as photocells are outdated.
We had several LED failures in the beginning Then a rash of lights that turned purple. They seem to be better now. I sill like the HPS best. They last for years and don't attract bugs as bad.
This reminds me that I need to rebuild a light for our local church. Removing pin style fluorescent bulbs (46 watts) and converting to LED Edison base @ 10 watts... roughly the same lumens. Nothing fancy, but this also preserves the look on an older building by keeping the same fixture.
A lot of lamps have been changed over to LED in my town (in Queensland, Australia) over the past couple of years. The LEDs give the impression of being duller, but in reality they aren't, it's just the emission pattern that has changed. The old lights used to cast a fair bit out the sides of the reflectors and lens more or less wasting it as by the time it hit anything it was too weak to light things up but direct to the eye it looked bright. It did take a bit to get used to the fact that you didn't see bright spots on top of the poles from a distance. Overall the sky is noticeably darker, a good thing, while the surrounds are lit just as effectively.
They are a broad spectrum warm white rather than notchy stark white HPS or monochromatic yellow LPS. All in all they are an improvement as far as I'm concerned.
You sir, are correct. A properly configured LED is going to outperform an HPS in pretty much every weather condition. I've yet to see one shot (like with a weapon). Which is surprising.
Yeah my town is pretty much done and we can see stars… Amazing!
That light - the oold one you were replacing - it reminds me of some mercury vapor lights we used to have near us. (older than Sodium)
We have gotten around 5 years out of the lights we hang. Photocells usually our problem with them. They have an internal eye and not the cap type.
Now I guess the LEDs are turning purple because if the yellow stuff covers the light is worn off or burn iff
I have found a surprising number of LED lamp failures. Usually the LED array is still functional but the driver fails. The manufacturers put no model numbers on these units so the whole fixture becomes e-waste. They need to standardize drivers as they do HPS, Metal Halide and even fluorescent ballasts.
We just built a new union hall three years ago. All of the exterior LED lighting has failed on the alley side of the building, and shortly after calling the builder to ask about a warranty claim (4 years) - another unit on the front of the building died. The LEDs seem to hold up better than the switching supplies that are built in. Half of the LED flood lighting on the exterior of my house has been replaced because the switching supplies fail, and the LEDs begin to strobe.
Exactly the problem we have too, we used to change lamps, ballasts and igniters and she was good as new but now we change the full fitting because of usually the driver fails. Then when you go to get a replacement, they don’t do that model anymore so you end up with an oddball fitting. We used to have a lamp bin, now we have a skip for fittings!!they may consume less energy but I don’t know about environmentally friendly.
I remember from LONG ago seeing LPS (Low Pressure Sodium). These are potentially the MOST efficient lighting there is. The only problem is that it is monochrome. The light is pure yellow so everything is Black & Yellow.
You know what it is
Black and yellow
Black and yellow
Black and yellow
Black and yellow
The street that I live on in Leicester England they changed the street lighting from low pressure sodium to high about 10 years ago. Then to led about a year ago. Some costal areas still have low pressure. It’s quite nostalgic walking around after dark.
Some cities in Southern California near observatories use LPS for street lights and outdoor lighting as it doesn't interfere with the observatories as much. The light is a dark orange.
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@@dfirth224 Yeah the low pressure sodium has such a pure and narrow emission spectrum it's really easy to filter out.
I'm a UK sparky who deals with street lighting so quite interesting to see how things across the pond! Surprised to see the cell NEMA pins are the same as they are here as well as the use of terminal blocks that I thought weren't a thing there. Most of our LED lanterns come prewired, and are wired back to a fused cutout to which it then splits to the utility's network or a private network owned by the lighting authority
I've recently noticed the smaller LED heads starting to be installed where I live in the U.S., instead of the larger heads. I hope the smaller heads can dissipate heat OK in the summer. That's on the tall poles. We also have short decorative poles with polycarbonate "acorn" globes in the historic districts -- those are staying HPS, for now anyway.
We used to still have a few (6-8) gas mantle lights on some of our street signs, but someone apparently complained that it was too much waste. They're LED now. 😢
@@RT-qd8yl Oh that SUCKS... Most of the gas mantle lamps here in the UK are 'listed' so can't be changed
Some of those lights have the electronics go bad. The diodes are usually fine. They have been much improved. The ones my husband has installed in the past two years haven't had a failure. Thank you for allowing me to see an install. The only time I get even close is when I have to rescue my husband when the bucket truck batteries die. Please stay safe, and God bless.
I do a lot of commercial lighting, and aside from water ingress, the usual failure is the driver of the fixture fails (the electronics.) Usually I can replace the fixture under warrantee so it isn't a big deal. One time I replaced some defective warehouse fixtures, the supplier told me to just toss the old ones instead of returning them. I did some looking and the driver is worth nearly the cost of the entire fixture. Sad that so much is thrown away when a simple part would put something back into service.
High brightness LED lights need good heat sinks to prevent failure due to heat. Heat is the enemy of all semiconductors.
@@Choukai_Kaithe cost is so cheap and the efficiency outweigh what you complained about sadly
To me it seems like led lamps throw more light straight down an less to the sides. This creates darker areas between poles. And the extra light straight down creates glare on the pavement when it rains.
Yes, street lighting reflector design back in the incandescent/SOX and even SON days used to be quite involved, now it's just 'chuck leds at it'
the glare is actually due to the color of the light, which can be problematic for older people. (cataracts, etc) A diffuser could be added to spread the light, but in my experience it's easier on the eyes this way. There's also less light spilling into my bedroom at night (light in front of my house) because it's basically straight down.
@@TheChipmunk2008 All lights come with clear specs on how they output their light. When replacing old fixtures, you need something similar. When installing new fixtures, you want to use the manufacturer .ies file to do simulations and make sure it’s properly lit.
It’s just that most of the time, people overlook those specs and just buy whatever they can have the fastest/cheapest even if it’s not adequate.
I certainly don’t miss having multiple bulbs(hps,merc,mh) and all the different wattages on the truck. Set it and forget it with LED.
Thanks For the video! I’m really enjoying these narrated videos. Cant wait for the new Lineman video!!
Always very professional and informative. Great video.
I try to collect the NEMA area style fixtures whenever one comes along nearby, preferably the mercury ones. Either for my collection or for future installation!
I’ve got one of those M12 screwdrivers. Love it!
Thanks for the video Aaron. I'be using the M-12 small impact for many years. It's the best.
I love the Milwaukee screwdriver. I'm on my second one. I wish it was brushless, but it's great just the same.
For decades we had mercury vapor streetlights and when CT changed everything to HPS in the early 1980s everyone complained about the awful color then. Now they're complaining that they're being replaced. People just don't like change. When my city Naperville IL put in LEDs 6-7 years ago they deliberately polled the residents and put in 3000K LEDs in the neighborhoods and 4000K on the major streets. They also put baffles on the lights with light trespass if the residents requested them. Installs need to be done properly. For my church relighting projects I've been using the newer high CRI LED bulbs in 3000K indoors with great results, much better color rendition.
You hit the nail on the head with "people don't like change"
Did they told the citizens the reason they swapped the Mercury lights for High Pressure Sodium?
It's a fact that People dont like change. But what they really dont like, is not knowing the real reasons for any changes.
Now its the LEDs basically because they consume way less.
But in 20-30 years, we will start to hear about the downside of LED technology..
And the downside is not negligeable.
They say its the blue light of our screens that is not good for health, but in fact, its the LED lighting that causes health issues.
But hey.. who cares about minor to mild vision and health issues, when money is on the line?!??
Major cost efficiency and power saving vs more people needing to wear glasses, lacking sleep, raising epilepsy cases, ... Etc..
Good job, at least everything is not an emergency, glad to see a new video too. 😅😊
Amazing how Much Brighter the Newest LED Lights are. You could Read a Newspaper Outdoors at Night. 😬 Best part is Cost to Operate LED is Cheaper. 👍
hps is better
Sweet, another POV!
What's the color temperature of the new LEDs? Lots of people around here complain about that. HPS is very warm. The LEDs they use here are the same temp as moonlight and are very accurate but the warmth of HPS makes a lot of people nostalgic.
LEDs with the same colour as HPS exist, but I rarely see them. Most cities seems to go for an intermediary between pure white and HPS orange.
Thats is cool!!!!
I have always wanted to know about the neutral and hot wires on the light pole
I always looked up and seeing the wires but never knew how they go.
Tjat us pretty cool interesting video
Memphis is in the process of replacing 77,300 HPS fixtures with LED fixtures. The work started in the Spring and is scheduled for completion by the end of December this year!
Always enjoy your videos and your detailed explanation of everything👍
Just out of curiosity, what’s the color temperature of the streetlights you’re installing? Memphis chose 3000K based on customer feedback.
Nice job thanks
If I wanted more light, then I’d keep the HPS light and add the LED light somewhere else. I would also add a switch to the LED light because I would want the HPS light as my primary light source. I don’t always need the harsh, white light.
Nice job Aaron!
S/L’s are pretty straightforward.
Nice screw gun there. Milwaukee of course. Wanna make sure everyone can see the pouch. 👍
I’m surprised no wasps were inside the old head & bracket? I find they love those spaces.
Nice tool layout in the bucket.
Those lags go in with a hex. We had those at the other utility I worked for. We just have the square head lags we have to pound in with a lump hammer.
We have a similar plastic bug. I don’t use them. Not yet anyways. I use the aluminum bug & cover. Better surface area. Just different technique.
Good seeing you again.
I just had a week off to recharge. I prefer cooler weather to be off.
Hello my friend, this is Athena from ZENLEA Lighting. We are focusing on LED street light, road light, high mast light. Do u have any purchase plan recently? We can provide the solution and quotation list for you reference. We are the top-1 OEM/ODM manufacturer led street light solution.
that work truck with the fold down workbench and vise would come in pretty handy right now ay.
With some streetlights,when the PE cell is removed it closes the circuit,so if you connect the Active (hot) first & the Neutral is not connected it will be live & flapping in the breeze so be careful.👊⚡
Them led lights look real nice. we getting all over the US as well. much less power draw. hard to get replacement high pressure sodium lamps now. they have direct LED replacements now. just buy pass ballast. super easy to install keeping old fixture that is still good.
I like the voice over vids
Is that a lease light? I assume over time when a customer calls with a light out, all the existing HID lighting on a private property will be gradually changed out to LED fixtures when the HPS bulbs fail in stead of relamping. B.C. Hydro also uses those compact LED Roadway Lighting brand NXT-Lite-S LED fixtures to replace 100W HPS and the little bit larger NXT-Lite-M to replace 150W HPS.
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Fun fact - the LEDs having much better CRI over HPS don’t need to put out as many lumens as the HPS they replaced since for humans, having the white light makes it a lot easier to distinguish objects.
In most cities, they’re going away from white LED light in favour to more yellow colours to not annoys nearby residents.
In my my city, they went from white to slightly yellow, but on our provincial roads, they use lights so orange that they look just like HPS.
So it feels like the only benefit is less light pollution and less power consumption, but not more visibility.
@HVACRVIDEOS was saying he is surprised at how hard the torque specs are on the terminal blocks he works with. I'm guessing you are supposed to grab the terminal block as you torque and not transfer force from the block to the housing.
Must be nice to have a city lightpole in their yard for the garage
I love it when those things fail to purple.
I love my American electric 115. I don’t mind led but I prefer old fixtures
Nice to see that you replace HPS with a similar output unit. Here in the UK, they’ve replaced them with worse output units, which are dreadful. I miss the HPS lamps.
I remember Photonicinduction's speech about the streetlights... 🤣
"The peasants should just be thankful that they're even allowed out at night."
I’ve seen a few of the LED lamps reach their end of life. Quite annoying when they flash.
Hi Bob, I hope you have Dark to Light electronic photocontrols ? Much more reliable and energy saving !
The LED lights have better dark sky.
Those Milwaukee bit cases are the worst. I'm all for snug and not loosing them when you open, but I often have to take my Kleins out and pull them out of the case.
Do this in your weed tents as well
What I’ve noticed a lot where I live is how led streetlights are in almost zero intersections, they still use the old hps bulbs there idk why
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If i can make a little suggestion..
Next time, maybe you could level it before your energize it.
Not a big deal, i know, but wouldnt had to open the casing with live wires in it.
But anyway, dont take it the wrong way. Looks good 🍻😎
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Love the energy saving of LEDs, but hate that they don’t put just a slight frosted lens over them to soften the light a bit. They glare so badly and suck if you happen to have one whose “bulb” is visible from a window in your house where you sit. Also annoying when driving.
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Any purple leds?
GREAT VIDEO!
The light fixture that failed probably had a driver that went bad. Screw in LED bulbs have built in drivers, but fixtures like this have a separate driver.
Can you do a video on those one bolts?
The led lights the council installed in my borough (Lambeth, London) are absolutely rubbish.
They are bright as the sun, at the source, but very little light gets to the ground where it's needed. The streets are ridiculously dark now and dangerous.
Also, lots of home owners complained that the lights were so bright and non directional that they were getting disturbed sleep so the council installed blinkers to block the light from shining backwards towards the houses.
whats the name of those connectors you used on the light
Do you have a link to where I can buy those Led streetlights?
Aaron, are those the 'choc block' style connectors we have in the UK? 2 screws on each terminal... flat blade head? Couldnt quite see from the video. We're moving away from those here now, but it's unusual to see them in North America
How come there was no inline pole fuse [ 20kva fuse, 250 v , rubber boot} , used on the Line side ?
"How come there was no inline pole fuse ....on the Line side?"
IIRC, he's got #14 wire. Naked, the fusing current is 166 Amps. Less when insulated. A dead-short on the lamp side would burn-up the #14 long before the transformer felt strained. Inside a house a wire burn-up might start a house fire; a pole-top fire is much less serious. (But of course if your system engineers or AHJ say to use a fuse, use a fuse!)
Keeping the lights on in Canada, aren't you? Now THAT'S what I call a protest against Trudeau!
I don't know, but it really seems that the LED light fail more frequently that the older tech street lights. Maybe more components, so lower MTBF?
Does it matter which direction the photo eye is facing in relation to where the Sun sets/rises? Is it adjustable? Thanks for sharing, very interesting and enjoyable to watch.
it faces up and is looking for light in the sky. IOW, no specific direction because the exact time they operate is not critical.
Not sure about the ones Aaron is using, but the ones we use here in the UK do have a 'N' label on the socket, usually it can be oriented 3 or 4 different ways in the fixture, you just get as close as possible to the right angle
Nice light change, I have a slightly off topic question for you. Do you service any 2400/4160V primary systems? The reason I ask, I work security on a site that has a 4160V system (Privately owned) and wondered if you worked on the lower voltage systems.
I have, but only a handful of times. They were also on private owned system. Have done a dozen or so splices and terminations on underground
You mean 'Swapping ooooot an HPS....'
What happens to the old, removed HPS or mercury vapor fixtures? To me, the older fixtures provided more useful light and lasted way longer. The drawback was that they cost more to run. I would prefer longevity and light compared to reducing electrical cost.
Are street lights typically fused externally? For example, if the feed to the light shorted, would it draw 100s of amps before it blew the fuse on the other side of the transformer?
I’m not a fan of the 5000-6000K Color. I much prefer 3800-4200k LED streetlights, much easier on the eyes
Do you need to fuse it?
So the wire that is connected with the pierce connectors usually doesn't have any kind of stabilizing connection to the pole? Just curious... it seemed to have an ample amount of slack there that seemed to be away from the pole and a hazard to catch on anything. Also, in that area that is a light supplied by your utility for every household? A rural thing?
I prefer the 2700 color temperature of LPS. I wish they would use this temperature in LEDs for street lighting or use no lights. Its a question of amateur astronomy.
I didn't see any insulation between the pipe going into the lamp itself.
Aaron, does your utility also differ lighting options between a municipality and a costumer?
Yes, the lights for the municipalities are slightly different. They project the light differently... they're also available in much higher wattage.
Ever had any of the LED lights turn the light purple? There seem to be some near Winnipeg that have done that.
Portage La Prairie is really bad for the purple/blue light . Apparently it's an issue with the coating coming off the LEDs
Tons around Florida- hurts my eyes.
Phosphor failed because of a defect in manufacture. current trend is purpule LED with tri or even quad-phosphor coating. Better quality of light when it works.
Quite a few have turned purple in Manassas City, Virginia. They've been that way going on over 2 years now. At this rate, the warranty will be expired by the time they get around to replacing them.
@@brianleeper5737 Per an article I researched about the same problem in N Carolina, that's a factory defect and they were slowly replacing them.
How come the client/owner of the house was not there, right underneath you, to watch you work? 😋
Is it because the client/owner was the one doing the work ??
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Trouble with LED lights is they’re mostly un-fixable. In the old days you could change lamps, ballasts, bowls etc. but now the whole fitting is thrown away and replaced. And they don’t last forever! Backward step in my opinion. Efficiency isn’t everything.
It looks like these streetlights have separate driver modules which should be easy to change separately. I think most higher end fixtures are like this as well. Of course most people buy the cheapest crap out there.
New Truck?
Something I am interested in is what causes street lights change color temperature. Got one outside my house that went from bright white to purple-pink. I don't view it as a concern, but should that be a call in?
It's a mfg defect with the coating on the LED array. It has been acknowledged and since they are under warranty they are supposed to be replaced by the mfr. So yes call it in so they know.
@@stevetalkstoomuch Thanks, I will call it in tomorrow.
The hps light is looking like a 100.watt home owner grade light like you get at home Depot and Lowe's
Very common in rural areas. Called a NEMA bucket.
@@ntsecrets thanks for the info on this hps pole mount yard light
How do you change out a street light?
Just like this video shows you.
What do you do with the old lights?
The led will go for warranty exchange, the old HPS all go into a bin at the office. I'm not sure where they go from there 😟
Oh ok
less leds with same power means that they run hotter and die more quickly
how many watts does one of those pull on average for that style?
The large number sticker on the bottom is the wattage.
It was 37.
@@adam850i thought it was the light color temperature. 3700K vs 4600K on the big one.
But the big sticker on the hps says 10 ... !!?!
So.. 10w for hps and 37w for LED..?
@@martf1061 Non-LED sticker have the wattage divided by 10.
@@adam850 ok
You probably have your own buisness as an independent lineman, to get called to do street lights and all those kind of small work?
I thought you were employed by a local power company.
Anyhow, keep up the good work, and there is no better field of work, than in the electrical field/domain.
25 yrs in the trade commercial/institutional 🍻
I've got a whole screen full of service work orders for slow days! Basically I don't get tied up with big jobs so that I'm always available to respond to trouble calls.
I'd rather if you didn't. I at least have a filter that can remove the sodium vapor light from my astro pictures. Not so much with LED.
FPL charges more per month for led street light than hps- i like hps better as the led hurts ny eyes, even more when they turn purple.
saw a bunch of those blue / purple lights in N Carolina last year and researched them to find out they were a factory defect. They were slowly being replaced per a news article. Was there again last week and only found maybe 3 left on that same street.
Why is the hot wire in that cable black not red? 🙂
In North America black is the standard for the main hot wire.
@@eDoc2020 No, in Canada, that color is red!
@@jovetj Since when? I've seen Canadian wiring online and it's the same colors as the US. Black is first hot and red is second hot.
Your videos are getting too good. Other than enjoying it I have nothing to comment on!
Have you guys started using the "smart street lights" yet?
Is that one of the lights wired with 5g in it
Its called Li-Fi
@martf1061 what's your point smart guy
I highly disagree with this because LEDs suck and they do not last as long as you think they would but the older fixtures they last way longer than the LED things. And they have a more prettier in soothing color
Replacing a reliable light fixture for something that will last 2 years if you are lucky.
LED fixtures are unreliable, more expensive and last less.
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