Horse That Kicks The Farrier - Retraining
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2016
- This is one of the most dangerous job's I can go to check out ( bobcatfarm.com/ if you want more info about my training) as one well placed kick can change my life in a bad way temporarily or permanently. This horse came to his new owners with this problem. Personally I would have passed on him when I was told "Don't try to lunge him, he rears" but that's just me, too many good horses out there. I will not reply to negative comments from children, this video is set to adults only. If you are an adult, own a horse, and can type without expletives or wishing I get killed, I will respond. Horse training is dangerous, don't try this at home. Thanks for watching. This horse was not really an aggressive horse he was dangerous because he had been made to fight to defend himself. He was shod trapped in the stall as one of his farriers prefer to do it in stall where he couldn't leave. No way am I trapping him. The farrier never met me (intimidated I'm sure) but I was told he was better after my two visits. For the people that gave a thumbs down, I'm sure you would never go to a job like this and work a horse you were told "last time he was done, I thought someone was going to die" and that he was just purchased from auction, and rears when lunged.
I love that you don't cuddle the horse and don't think that they're broken and so on. You understand they need to be re-built up and shown that everything is okay again through training, not kisses and carrots! You're really great with horses and I admire people like you. :)
I am new into horses and would love any advice I can get
I have a son with autism and you desensitized horses the same way we trained our son to manage life! You seem to really understand horses, please teach the rest of those that don't. Thanks!
Wish all my clients took the time to train horses like this
Thank you, yes it is not the farriers/trimmers job to train the horse, they could not get a farrier to keep coming with a animal that could kick him.
Watching that halter break is why I don't like cross ties or web halters. In fact, I don't even like to tie. I also trim my own. I don't even put a halter on them. They feel less stressed and better behaved if not tied. Yes, the farrier CAN be the problem. I worked with one that was golden with his feet, but horrible for the farrier. I couldn't figure out what was wrong. He was always great for me. When the owner changed farrier, all the problems went away and he was the best he had ever been for a trim. Watching you trim at liberty in the end is my goal.
Shit happens, did not know there would be that set up, when they said they used that I did not have two safety clips which would have made it better, Also best to train the horse in a stall with "the clip", or the blocker tie ring, so when they pull back, they will hit the stall wall before getting free. Thanks for your feedback.
Right around 11:00 you spout so much truth. I see so many (first time, middle aged, well meaning, lady) owners try to quell their horse's insecurities with treats... I wish more people understood you can feel bad for the horse, your heart can go out to them without you feeding their insecurities.
I'm really enjoying your videos. No fluff, common sense, safety first, with the horse's mental and physical safety clearly paramount in your efforts.
I'm a new horse owner and any thing that you could help me out with would be very appreciative
I'm 61 and starting a 2 year old gelding who's not easy. I have to stay safe! I do similar techniques you use plus clicker training. Thanks for your videos. I am inspired.
Thank you, stay safe!
Horses need the right owners who will spend this time educating PATIENTLY!
I’m glad you got out of the way when he pulled out of the crossties. It’s great to see in your videos that you consider the horse, while setting clear boundaries to help them learn. He made a big change with your guidance.
Loved it I know this horse thanked you for helping him find the answers to your questions. yeah sometimes we have to get through the ugly but mistakes are how we learn and same for horses , good consistent leadership works wonders and being empathic to the struggle is needed . Your end result was a better balance horse who was in the moment with you and knew all the answers to your questions . Well done😁
great job as always Cathie, I really like the commentary and how you placed the results first to show what you had when you finished , then how you got there.. You've got the touch!!
Thank you so much!
You just have to talk to the horse: im an ex jockey *
Well done video. Thank you for showing the real problems with handling and rehabilitating a 1000 lb horse while not getting maimed or killed in the process. Horses are lovely. Their lives are much happier when they are properly trained and handled. Many are not. Fortunately there are trainers like you to help them get them back on track.
Thank you so much!
It's a pleasure to watch your videos. To see someone who cares a respects this beautiful animal and be patient to work with him at his pace is wonderful.
Good presentation, I enjoy seeing a horse trainer that know her stuff.
Great job! Groundwork and compliance and understanding on the ground is everything to your safety on their back. Many want a quick fix and not to take the time it takes to help the horse understand slowly and compliantly to what we ask is needed of them.
Thanks so much, I appreciate your thoughts.
Excellent video, I wish everyone would see this! I train rescues at Gerdas Equine Rescue in West Townsend Vermont. Learning from Cathie placed me firmly on the road to helping "bad" horses.
Glad you were able to learn from my videos and a ride along.
Sad to think of what he must've been through. So lucky to have you work with him. Well done!
Thank you!
Cathie You are a wonderful trainer and person. You truly care about these horses. Some have been so damaged by people and they're so confused and defensive. Your job is dangerous but you keep working with these horses to help them. You're a gift from God. You keep going!! Be safe and God Bless you for what you do.
Thanks so much for the lovely words. I do give God all the credit for my success with horses. I feel beyond blessed.
Excellent job, Cathie!
Wow. Thank you for your no nonsense approach, and your calm explanation without making a big production out of it. So simple to understand why you did what you did. I'm dealing with a kill pen rescue and what I know so far is he does not do well with the farrier. Needed to be tranked for a trim. I've been working on desensitizing him a little at a time.
Thank you
Hi Cathie, I’ve recently found your videos and I’d like to say that your training with horses is amazing, I love that you really take the time to assess the problem and help the horse and owners in the best way possible. Keep up the great work I admire how calm and open you are to horses such as these, would you ever go to Australia for a clinic? I could really use your help. Thanks
Thank you, Sure I'd go to to Australia if someone wanted to pay for my travel expenses and put me up to do a 4 day clinic to make it worth the travel. That takes a lot of planning and deposits to make it happen.
You are fantastic! I wish u lived near me lol-I watch so many horse training videos but you pack so much of ur horse knowledge of what and why a horse will do or has done in ur videos-so very helpful!!! Keep making them!!! Tysm
Thank you so much!
Grrrreat Video- exactly what I needed to watch to get me ready to go back to this skunk of a mare that I picked up. She’s just what I want and great in the round pen, but she can’t seem to stand on three legs so we can’t trim her feet. She kicks in the back and falls to her knees for the front. I’ve been going about it all the wrong way by coaxing her legs up just to have her try to go down onto whatever joint she can land on first 🤦🏻♀️ it’s been terrifying. Next she clips her coronet with her long back toes, so now she’s cut and unruly about her feet being picked up. Meanwhile her back feet look terrible and are giving her an unsteady, slipping gait. Previously I was successfully getting her to respect me by working out in the corral, but now that her feet are so bad and she has a front heel flap she keeps aggravating, is it unkind for me to ask her to go around a round pen? While we don’t work, she gets more unruly, pushing me over at feeding time today. So anyway, I think I’ll just do what you do in this video, and we’ll go to leg touching and neck rubbing on the halter. Then I’ll lunge her at a walk because well I’ve got to remind her who’s boss.
Stay safe
Beautiful horse, great lesson and instruction too.
Thank you for this video. I just bought a spoiled QH yearling who doesnt like being told no. This horse reminds me a lot of him. This is very easy to follow and understand!
Glad it was helpful!
thank you for posting. Well done.
Thank you!
This was lovely - well done 👏👏
Thank you!! 😊
First time I've ever watched your video. To say that I'm impressed! is a very vast understatement. We all should all be so lucky as to have a ferrier that is willing to go through and do what you have. Most othem simply just walk away or hit the horse if it has a moment. I've seen it soooo many times out of various ferries. Yes, it is the owners responcibility to either train the horse or get the horse training if they don't have enough knowldege to do it themself. One might say "well if you don't have the know how then you shouldn't own a horse". But the reality is, that despite the last statemnet, people do it anyway. So anyway, thank you for the owner of that horse and for all of us.
Thank you, I'm not a farrier, but as a trainer I help with this issue, I do trim my own horses. Subscribe if you don't want to miss new uploads.
Courage, patience, a plan and a path to allow the horse to succeed! Great video.
Thanks so much!
WELL DONE, I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED WATCHING YOUR VIDEO,
THANK YOU
Glad you enjoyed it
Super impressed as always.
Your a great trainer you worked a miracle on this horse great job!!
Thank you!
You are awesome !
This is a great video. You really did speak his language.
Awesome job!!! Well done!!
Thank you!
I think you are awsome!!!! You have a big heart for horses.
I love your work! I just came across this video and have subscribed to follow you. I'm sorry you have to put the end result at the start of your video. Sadly so many keyboard warriors who would have no idea how to deal with a horse like this who like to criticise. The change in this boy was amazing to see and is a true testament to your understanding of horses. Thank you so much for sharing. Much respect. 🙏❤️
Thank you so much!
Fantastic job and a stunning horse. Chestnuts are sensitive types I have found.
Thank you!
beautiful demo!
Thank you!
Good Job 👏🏻
OMG I think this is my horse's twin. Mine is a rescue and almost was slaughtered. He does not trust anyone except me. I had to close him in and the farrier had to double sedate him to trim his hooves. It is a sad case for all these horses. Bless you!
Thank you, yes I agree, It's really sad that a horse thinks he needs to defend himself by kicking.
This was awesome, thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent
wow this my first time seeing one of your videos and I think they are educational if someone wants to learn something.
Thank you and welcome!
I like all the rubbing you are doing on him. My horse is making huge progress with hind feet. Don't know if I'm ready to cradle the foot in my lap like I see on some videos. But I can rest it on my thigh at this point. Thanks, great video.
Thank you, be safe, take your time.
Thats a beautiful horse. Hope he is doing well
Thank you, I think he is, after this I was supposed to meet up with farrier and show him how to pick up his feet the way I do without confining him, but it never happened. I think he was good enough after that that they did not need me back and farrier took over. The second and last time I worked with him, I worked with another horse they owned (pony) and him just an hour. So I believe he was fine.
Good job!
Thank you!
Instead of making the focus on getting the feet done, one needs to back up the process and start closer to the beginning.
That involves the join up procedure to begin to establish leadership. Desensitizing to things that move and things that have
motion and sound. And do some sending. Etc. Then you can begin to work on the process with the feet. Very small steps. Get the horse proficient with all of the small steps. Then put them together. End each session on a good note.
Yes, I agree, I did a a lot of ground work, before, but I really need to help a owner get things done and move forward. people that don't have leadership skills can't establish leadership in one two hour session.
Yes, they can. Easily. Is that the end of it? No. A beginning? Yes.
ik this is going to be new to you but I got this mustang he 6 years old the from the BLM he ok with his front feet still gives me a hard time but his back feet is a diffenct story he full on kicks when we ask for his back feet. He kicked the farrier and am lost tips on how to fix this?
He does not trust you yet. He does not feel safe, once he trust you he will give you his feet. More work to do, stay safe, look at all of my videos the deal with picking up feet for more tips. find a good trainer to help you. stay safe.
@@bobcatfarm thank you and I was watching one of them
Let them break free from the cross ties and that doesn’t get any better once they learn they can do it. It never ceases to amaze me how many people have convinced themselves that they are experts around horses. It should be against the law for these people to even own a horse.
Yes, I agree, and it was unfortunate that he did it on my watch, it was my first time at this farm, and the panick snaps are not safe. Two clips "The Clip" from smart tie, or two of "The Blocker" tie ring, and that would not happen.
@@bobcatfarm I shod horses for over 30 years and one of my longtime customers was Jack Newton of the cutting horse world. He taught me the importance of hobbles. There is no better educational tool than a set of good strong hobbles. That in itself takes about 70% of the bullshit out of a horse. Put the horse in the middle of a soft arena and bend down and hobble the horse with the legs close together and let them educate themselves. Not just onetime do it everyday for 2 weeks. Then take the horse back to the cross ties hobble first then cross tie. A good round pen is another good tool. Get them in the pen and run them around and get them tired before you try do anything with them or even put them on the cross ties. I’ve put shoes on horses that nobody else could because of a round pen and hobbles. When you first put the hobbles on a horse is going to fight them. That is the reason for being in the middle of a soft arena. If you will listen to me I can help your horsemanship. Through my many years as a shoer I’ve dealt with just about every kind of horse imaginable and being around some of the best horsemen helped too.
I hope you got well paid for your work!! Well done!
My regular rate is what I got paid. I just had to go up on my rate Jan 2023 Diesel fuel, cost of living.
Dad had horses growing up, so everyone pointed at me for most experienced rider among group going riding on Oregon beach an sand dunes! (Great fun) I was Right up front, waiting an watch horse rear shoes install! Horse kicked guy in head an he was dead before he hit the ground with half his head missing an brains on the ground! Not Good, Be as Careful As You Can! I've lost 2 fingers from horse in trailer, an good friend son died just sitting on his horse. Son leaned back laying on his horse an he lost balance an rolled to ground, horse spooked an stepped down an crushed his chest, right in front of whole family! Love horses but Be Careful!
Doing my best, horses are dangerous even when they are not being naughty, just being horses. They are a big powerful animal, I have a healthy respect and great love for them.
Cathie Hatrick-Anderson that's all we can ask of everyone , Respect an Best of Care! Thanks! That goes for all not just horses!
In all respect to you mam that halter is not fitted properly. I’m sure it just needs to be tightened a little. I absolutely love how u explained everything you did. And I loved that u took ur time with him and u had a lot of patience 👏👏
Thank you
Cathie Hatrick-Anderson stay safe out there 🙂
Hola buen video
Gracias
From one farrier to another, GREAT JOB
Thanks, I am not a farrier, I am a horses trainer. Thanks for all the work you farriers do!
@@bobcatfarm you do an amazing job! I only do charity cases, my own horses, and horses who won't beat the hell out of me
excellent common sense just great horse handling
Thank you!
So pleased to watch a humane no nonsense common sense patient and loving way to erase some thoughtless persons ignorance.
Thank you!
There variations in training. What is most important is positive results.
Good job of him to walk with you
Thanks
That is one of the reasons why cross ties are a bad idea.
Thank you for saying that! I HATE them. Only an experienced horse understands crossties! I have seen a horse flip over backwards in them!
I think it's an important concept for them to learn, but it is definitely something that comes after a lot of good groundwork. Hence why it blew this dude's mind!
You should do clinics for people in beginner horse training! You could make a lot of money off of it plus, it might be fun! But I don't mean like bucking broncos, just the general problems, like not lifting feet, refusing to load\unload, refusing to go into cross ties, and other problems like that! It would be cool to know the basic knowledge of horse training so you actually know what to do to stop bad habits in horses!
I am doing that already, But I just held a trailer safety clinic, only charged 20.00 per person pre registered for 3 hours and only had a little more than 1/2 dozen people show up. seems every one knows it all or would rather wait to have an accident and spend much more money to have me come out and fix a bigger problem. I do work with beginners to very experienced. Thanks so much for your thoughts.
No problem! I ride and I know the struggles of run away horses, not lifting feet, stopping whenever they feel like it, refusing to load, refusing the jump, etc.....and its really annoying but the experience helps in the future!!!
Where r u???
This was in MA
I love the fact that you truly care about the horses but for the love of Pete (no offense to any Pete's out there) use a rope halter so you have more control on them, you won't regret it.
I usually do, thanks!
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Im not a professional trainer, but I would bond first. With that kind of horse it's better to have a friendship first, them the training will be easy. The poor horse feels vulnerable and not prepare. It is like a first time school kid, in order to learn, he/ she needs to be prepare for school. He want to be a good boy, but doesn't know how.
Well, my clients did not know how to do this, their farrier was not wanting to come out and get kicked. So I can't sit at there farm and bond with him, also just bonding will not cure his distrust around his feet for the farrier.
You should have shown us what you did after he kicked at you. Seeing you pick his feet up without problem does not teach us how to get to that point. My horse will not let me pick up his feet and I need to see how to get him to do this. When you leave out the most important part of the training you aren't helping us. We know YOU can make them behave. What do WE have to do ? I'm not wanting to criticize, but I think it is an important point. Please don't take me wrong. Your videos are great.
I did show what I did, and it could have got me in trouble, as I had no line on him, if you look at 1th point right after 16 minutes, I spanked him. Remember at this point I had done almost two hours of ground work, I would never had trusted him when I first handled him, it was a half hearted kick on his part. If I had the line on him, I would have had his head tipped toward me and gave him a swift kick in the belly right back, or spanked his hind end with lead rope, and truned my but to him and throw a kick at his chest. and then forget about it. Please be very careful, a horse that is aggressive or fearful can as you know really hurt you in a split second.
Great wirk
Thank you.
That is why one should not use cross ties among other reasons.
They have a place
@@bobcatfarm They are an accident waiting to happen, due to how horse can react to something unexpected.
probs to you for rehabilatating this horse.it could not have been easy, and i think very few has the curage and tools to do it successfullyi agree with alot of what you do, tho i feel like you're a bit too shouty for such a sensitive horse (thinkin of the lunging). your over all bdy movements are calm which is nice to see, but your movements with the whip and the rope are very sudden and rough. you give no warning. my fist mare was a milder version of this horse. she reared when lungeing too and she'd kick out at me. it didnt matter what i did - klucking, swinging the whip, tappingher on the bum even hitting her. i always felt like she knew what i was asking she just didnt feel like doing it. when i started to become more awayre of my bodylanguage and energy her deminor suddenly changed. she could even canter collected on a small circle all because i started asking differently. no whip, no rope, just my energy and body language. i learned that using your tools or voice is a sort of shouting that you can do when your horse doesnt respond to your energy. its the next step, not the first. you project a lot of energy at fx 6:52 you are making the horse react to the sudden wave of energy that you are projecting. this horse is so sensetive and reactive that he goes up. the job as a trainer the way i see it is to be as sensetive or as harsh as need be. my point then is that i think you are being too harsh in the beginning for such a sensetive horse.
looking through those sec again it does seem like you slowly turn down the volume of what you are asking and the horse then in turn responds much clmer and stops rearing.
If I am out ahead of the horse as a lead mare, I posture for the horse to back up, the correct answer for the horse is BACK UP, not rear, he was not used to yielding his feet, he was used to rearing to escape or defend himself, form people that would try to hold him with a tight line. If you look at a horse asking another to back up, they will run backwards and threaten to kick. I always try to lower my energy as the horse responds. Thank you for your kind words. If you think I am too loud. I don't normally talk so much if the owners were not there. I am not only training, I am trying to explain what I am doing to owners. This is why I would be loud.
but you're not a lead mare are you? you're a human and horses know that. sure we can emulate their language, but that doesnt make us 'lead mares'
i didnt mean loud verbally but loud in your body language.
I wouldn't ride an old horse with so little ground work either! Poor fellow didn't even understand the basics, no surprise here assumed every interaction would be a fight.
Yes I agree, it's really sad, people will ride these guys that they rescued without forming a relationship of understanding what is asked, giving to pressure, trust etc.
No one's noticing you are actually fixing like 5 or 6 bad habits in the video. Resisting pressure, over reacting to pressure, throwing his head, rearing, pawing, and kicking.
The owner is responsible for her horse’s behavior.
Well they did not cause the problem, they bought from a dealer, and they hired a trainer.
this horse has no respect for you you should back him up a lot where ever you go ! it works !
That's FEAR of being trapped! If you can't touch every inch of the body as the horse stand FREE, then you are not completely trusted, and you can't go further successfully until then. I am used to walking out to the field, walking up to any horse, and cleaning a foot, even filing it, and even giving vaccinations without even a halter. I tap the hip or shoulder, and the horse HANDS ME the foot. I have NEVER hit a horse. Doesn't mean we don't have 'conversations', but it goes more like this: Horse: 'I don't want to, I don't understand'. Me: 'That's OK, try again'. Horse: ' Is this OK?' Me: 'Almost...again, OK?' BTW, I don't actually say anything. And if it is one of my babies, I am handling them all over starting the day after they are born. Also, never hand-feed treats. Toss them in a bucket
Bet you're the guy who beats his dogs too....Why would you want to war with an animal who's already been abused? If you take your time and actually train them to trust you, you wind up with a much better bond and a nicer, and safer horse! Trust takes time. Horses like dogs or kids are truly Garbage in, Garbage out!
The owner should have train that he would not be scared of humans you do that I believe he would'nt be scared.
Yes, it was a new purchase
I dont see a bit of fear in this horse . He has not been trained basic fundamentals . If the owner won't learn basic fundamentals how will the horse learn . The Farrier should NOT have to train these horses .
He was a new purchase. They bought a problem they were not prepared to deal with
( lack of knowledge)
This is why I don't want to be a horse trainer because horses are dangerous and cost money I'm not doing that
It's not for everyone. 🤠
@@bobcatfarm .sorry I said that
It's ok, you were not rude, just honest.
I do not feel it should be the Ferrier’s responsibility to teach your horse to stand and not kick out. She is trying so hard to do the ground work. I understand people are busy but take the time it takes to teach your horse. It will take a lot of sessions to correct this horse. You have a great Ferrier to work with your horse.
Agreed, The horse was better after just one session I was told. After multiple struggles with the farrier, they did hire me to work with this horse to behave for the farrier.
@@bobcatfarm I have a horse that stood good to be trimmed and shod. The farrier I use where I winter in Kansas only trimmed my horses. It is so sandy they do not require shoes. Well I was going to Arkansas where it is very rocky so I needed shoes. He went to shoe my horse and nailed the second nail very high. My horse went forward knocking him down. He was very upset with my horse. Well that was the end of my horse standing good to be trimmed or even handled with his back feet. I worked with him everyday for some time and he is now back to standing for me ground tied and picking up his feet being able to clean them. I am tapping them with a small hammer and reintroducing the rasp to him. It is going very good. I subscribe to Clinton Anderson and have been following his method step by step and I am finding many holes in training with my horses. I believe it is my responsibility to have horses that are respectful and a good partner. That comes from both parties. I respect my horse and treat him the same way but do not allow him to be the leader. Back to the farrier. I had him coming out for eight years. Only trimming. I always kept my appointments, paid him and tipped him well each time. The day he came out I could tell he was distracted. He was on the phone with his girlfriend while working on my horses. I was not liking that at all. He did not come with the correct shoes and made excuses. He was not wearing appropriate foot wear (but they are not my toes). He moved from the area and did not let me know. I found out on facebook. I called him to ask if he was going to still trim my horses. He told me I was not a good fit anymore. I was pretty steamed about that. After thinking about it maybe it is best he does not come back. Long story short. Work with your horses to stand for the farrier and the vet. Work as much as you can with them. I am now working on my horses to accept being wormed without so much fuss. So much to do with them. A farriers job his hard enough with out having to work with horse that will not stand. It is a dangerous job as well. Thank you for sharing your videos. I subscribed to your page. Good luck and be safe out there.
Great thoughts and points, thank you so much!
He's really trying, he must've had a bad experience sometime. Many years ago, I had a really cranky old bastard who liked to try to kick or bite the farrier for the fun of it - then we found a patient farrier who used to stop and turn around and blow kissy noises at him, and it confused the old sod so much that he forgot to misbehave.
Yes, it's really sad.
She’s keeping the horse confused by staying in front of him . Lousy trainer
Thanks for your nice words lady, Lousy trainer? I saved this horse's life, his farriers as well, I was able to pick up the horses feet in the end of my two hour visit, risking life and limb, without locking him in a stall.
My critique
First comment: This is why you get a rope halter with 0 snaps so he cannot break it and learn to get away.
2. When lunging him, he was very confused, should've got behind the driveline and used more body.
3. Good on you for not labeling the horse mean
4. I dont really like the reaching but its not that big of a deal.
5. The horse is still very confused, unless you get behind that driveline its gonna be harder to get him to go around you.
6. I don't know what you did there he reared then you got in his face and he reared more.
7. I don't mind whats going on here, hes following you, great.
8. Okay good, he's walking around you like you wanted and you're in the correct position
9. I understand he needs to move away from you when you ask but pinching him? Nah. His reaction was "Dude what the heck." Try warning him next time.
9. Overall i don't have a problem you got the end result you wanted.
You don't tie in a rope halter, unless it's to a blocker tie ring, or the clip as your horse will break, many have died. If I tied this horse again it would be using these
well in this video your not releasing pressure you keep the whip on him , when he moves at all in the direction you want take the whip away dont leave it laying on his back ,your confusing him at first.you could use a refresher course on your self , just giving you some costrutive criticism , nothing bad just your a little confusing , at first
Thanks Jennifer, I do understand what you are saying, but I have found leaving the whip on the horse and stroking him from front to back allows him to understand the whip can actually rub. Not just to administer pain as they are used to. They soon realize this and do not gasp, hold their breath freak out etc. if you look at point 9.11 in the video you will see I don't use the whip like that at all. Also you'll see me do this in my trailer loading videos. Thanks for you kind comments.
This reply deepens my admiratio for you Cathie
brilliant but you should wear a hard hat! to teach the young ones not to attempt this without safety xx
Thanks, a hard hat would not prevent a kick to the face, just the back of head. No young ones should be working with a horse that kicks, and they have parents or guardians to teach them safety.
Excellent
Thanks