Japanese Type 1 Paratroop Folding Rifles
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Before standardizing on the Type 2 paratroop rifle (a 7.7mm Arisaka that broke in half at the chamber), the Japanese military tested a variant of the Type 38 carbine with a folding stock retrofitted into place. Very few of these were made.
Theme music by Dylan Benson - dbproductioncompany.webs.com
How do we make a folding stock
The Japanese : let's use the latch from our fences
I never knew about the Type 1, other than it existed. Kicking myself for not buying a Type Two when I was in college. But I have a fondness for Arisakas as I have a Type 38 rifle, and my Type 99 was my first rifle, bought for 80 dollars from My Math teacher, a WW2 vet, who was the "second Owner" of the Arisaka.
4:45 tactical paper :D
Whoops! Forgot to cut that bit out. :)
Ahah it makes you seem human and not this awesome everything that is gun know guy :p
Colten Meyer He is human? No way.
Lol for a short second his humaness shined through :p
I thought the video had frozen... nope hes just checking his notes :P
Keep them coming Ian, I am enjoying this series immensely.
Glad to hear it - there are 7 more in the pipeline.
Forgotten Weapons Really!? Awesome!
@@ForgottenWeapons wow, just seeing all that he's done as of Feb of 2021 it's crazy to think once upon a time that seven videos was a big deal.
4:50 cheat sheet!
Really interesting look at these rifles, thanks for the video!
That intro music gives a me a warm feeling inside
Ian, I feel the need to tell you that when I am sick, I watch your channel as comfort food TV. Your opening music is so soothing. I do not know why you stopped using it in recent months. I understand that some viewers may have gotten sick of it. I have not.
Again I find your opening theme to be quite soothing, especially when I am not feeling well. So thank your guy who wrote that piece, Dylan Benson I believe, you credit him on the title slide.
thanks for making such great content. I have been a fan for years and will be for years to come. :)
These past few vids have solidified this as my favorite CZcams channel ever. Home made automatic revolver. worlds smallest handgun, a priceless FG-42, and now super rare Japanese paratroop rifles?! I love it!!!!!!
Interesting rifle you hardly ever hear about.
4:43 casual but awkward "wtf was I supposed to say, better look at the notes" moment.
Good stuff Ian!
Dad was on Crete. He told me the German paratrooper officers carried different coloured flares and signal book to message transport planes to drop them different supplies. The nearby Australians had captured an officer with his book and flares and they had more than enough German food and weapons and gave some to dads unit.
I love auction time, it really amps up the variety of guns we get to gawp at. Thanks Ian, keep them coming!
The dust covers being thrown away by the Japanese troops is a myth. The Japanese military was very strict, doing something like that to the Emperor's rifle (why do you think that mum is there?) is a great way for your ass to be beaten by your NCO. Every pre-war and early war picture of these rifles have their dust covers on. Later on during the war things are different. You can see images of Type 38s, which were all made with dust covers, having them missing. IMHO the Japanese were scrapping the dust covers and monopods, etc. from the rifles warehoused in Japan. I think also the American troops were throwing them away after not figuring out how to put them back on. On the troop ships home they were ordered to remove the bolts on all their trophies and when they got to port they were given a bolt out of a box of bolts. That also explains why so many have mis-matched bolts. And last but not least, the sellers of these "junky Jap rifles" in the 60s, 70s and 80s were pulling those parts off of rifles to sell them separately to make a few extra bucks. He may have gotten $30 for the whole rifle, if he's lucky, but he could probably make a good $5 off of that dust cover by itself. They did the same thing with the holsters of pistols. That's why a complete rig is worth so much more today.
They only rattle when the action is cycled...as in you just fired the rifle. Which is louder, the rifle shot or the dust cover?
Just like the Garand ping, it's a myth that just won't go away.
I love these videos from RIA, keep them coming :)
Thank you!
Would this gun have been used in Saipan? I remember a video here on youtube about 4 years ago where a guy found a very rotten rifle like this with a "weird" folding stock as he put it, the gun was found in a cave.
It could have been - 900 paratroops of the Yokosuka 1st SNLF (Special Naval Landing Force) fought on Saipan.
Forgotten Weapons OK, thanks for the info, I tried looking for the video but I can't find it now. if i do I'll post a link. I do remember the rifle did have a bolt action, that's what made it seem weird to the man who found it in the cave, he had never seen a bolt action rifle with a "folding stock".
fordxbgtfalcon hope you find it
no luck?
One kilobyte of ramp am I a little late to ask if you found that video
too tactical, must ban
It's a weapon of war, with military style features.
did you see that stock fold? spooky.
It's for concealment. A saturday night special, I think.
And they came with black paint, I think it's safe to say that this is the first true "assault rifle"
This is from back when the shoulder thing went to the side rather than upwards.
Love these videos! Please do more!
There was another Japanese paratroop rifle that i saw recently ! It had a set screw on the right (?) side of the stock just forward of the receiver. When the screw was undone the barrel twisted to the left and was removed. In this state the weapon could be carried in a chest pack or slung down by the leg when jumping. Very interesting, I love your show, please continue.
this vid is evidence of how far you have come as a content creator. good and informative, but your later vids are far more dialled in.
I love the foldout anti aircraft sights on the japanese rifles
Ian! You did not study for this! We can see your cheat sheet! Lol. No hard feelings bro. Love your videos.
In fairness, he probably could ask his dad about it.
i would imagine the hinge wasnt too comfortable to shoot with
thinking the same thing
Great video Forgotten Weapons! Amazing rifle, very good review/commentary on the weapon. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Poland. (Maybe one day you'll cover some polish gun!)
I haven't had an opportunity to do video on any Polish guns, but I do have articles about several on my main web site (ForgottenWeapons.com). The wz-38, the Mors and the Rak, to name a few.
Forgotten Weapons Ok. :) Thanks!
Cool gun, simple and functional.:D
Thanks as always for making these videos and keeping it about the engineering marvels and historical peices they tend to be and not slipping into the quagmire of gun rights politics that so many other channels fall prey to.
Interesting firearm. I do like the combination of a bolt action design and a folding stock. You definitely do not them everyday
Clearly an example of early production Ian McCollum, as evidenced by the long pause to study his notes (later production series edited these out).
Hmmm haven't seen one yet.. I'm from Indonesia and just a fun fact to share, here few WWII Arisaka rifles are still being use as sniper rifles in the military, not sure why since we do manufacture our own weapons and it's not like we're leaking guns but some still favour the old rifles. Anyways, great vid!
I can fall asleep while you talk about guns and i have dont worry i wach videos as well lol
and now i understand the japanese craving for weapons that fold in two (im looking at you, gunlance from monster hunter world, also heavy bowgun)
Ooooh! Aren't they cute!
It good to see one of these early vid. Gun Jesus has come so far. BZ Ian on your success
Japan , great country .
very cool
4:41 Haha Ian looked over at his note sheet rather suddenly, looked so serious. Almost seemed like the paper insulted his family or something xD "The **** you say to me? Wanna say that to my face, punk? I'll CUT you!" lol
It seems that the hinge mechanism would interfere with the grip.
this would be a wicked fun thing to have on a 03 springfield
actually got to get my hands on a type 2 once
nice piece a very crude but effective solution to make a rifle fold
I doubt any soldier would throw away parts of his rifle he was issued with. Dust covers were hand fitted at the factory, and shouldn't rattle if they # match the rifle. Also during combat, they would make no much more noise than the very "deadly" M1 Garand en bloc ping. Likely the biggest reason why many Japanese rifles don't have their dust covers present is likely due to US soldiers unfamiliarity with how they get assembled back together and just get tossed away anyways. Though one with patience can put one back on with little time.
Think about it. Would any past or present soldier would throw away anything they were issued with? If you were issued it, it likely had a use to begin with.
Would you throw out the dust cover of your M4 if you were in the service?
Someone did a video on this and it was mostly GI s
Nice gun
Fascinating. I'm assuming you're keeping close tabs on all these guns so you know what they go for? It'd be nice to have updates once the auctions have closed, if only so we can dream of how big a lottery win we need. ;)
Once the auction is over and the all prices posted, I'll have a brief followup video listing what each of these video'd items sold for.
If the spring-tensioned lock were bigger, you don't really need that huge latch, right?
type I poratrop wow...so taktikal...much folding...wow
What is up with those screws on the folding latch?! They don't look standard at all. Looks like they grabbed into a pile of whatever they had.
did you forget to jumpcut when editing this video because that was a long pause while reading your notes
I clicked on this expecting like an AK underfolding stock
Have you ever seen either of the German Kar98 Paratroop rifles? Because I know they made 2 different types just as you described the Japanese made.
Does cutting the tank ling this affect accuracy, handling, harmonics, etc?
It strikes me, that with the hinge/locking mechanism right through the grip, it wouldn't be a very comfortable rifle to fire.
4:43
So that's his method! Ian has a cheat sheet!
My new concealed carry
Man I would love to have 1 of those rifles but I don't have the money that they are hoping for
Watching this because of Sniper Elite 5 adding this in the new DLC
i do hope to see more WW2 japanese weapons :)
Did he say no serial numbers damn they really got last ditch were these late war
why didn't they develop a paratroop weapon before having forces to do so?
Glad you got rid of that little intro, but interesting to see how far the channel has come...
Keep up the good work!
I think the dust covers were recycled for the war effort. You wouldn't be able to hear that rattle if you had been in a firefight.
But you'd be able to hear it if you were dropped at night to do a surprise attack. It's amazing how far you can hear at night in a dark forest...
Edit: Just saw arisukak 's comment, that explains a lot.
wait what, whose? >_> if you haven't forgotten in the last two years hehe
But yeah if you're hiding in a bush waiting to ambush someone, as many Japanese troops seem to have been fairly often, having a particularly rattley bit on your rifle would be pretty bad.
TL;DR Stealth is not for when you're in a firefight, because if you're in a firefight, this level of stealth has already failed. Or succeeded.
+Forgotten Weapons I know you can't disassemble these weapons, but it looks like the rear tang of the receiver was cut through as well. Was the action reinforced anywhere else to compensate? Wouldn't this also put extra stress on the stock shortening the life overall.
Nope, there doesn't appear to have been any reinforcement added, although the hinge itself may fill that function.
Hi Ian. I would like to share with you that I, with associated pictures provided on various facebook groups and gunboards, have a Type 1 that is a Nagoya Series 4, but has a serial number (all matching) of 99925, unlike the 4000 to 5000 serial number that you describe in the video. What does this mean for the production numbers? I would share pictures with anymore who would find this useful for production serial number surveys of this special carbine.
You left out an important detail ! Is there a Chrysanthemum Crest stamped on the receiver or any other parts of the rifles ?
Many rifles have had that mark removed after the surrender in 1945.
Odd. Wouldn't that mean whenever the outer latch is closed that little plunger would be depressed as well. Defeating the point of it? All I can think of is it must really suck to be a lefty and have that whole latch fail.
It looks that way, but the outer latch doesn't push the plunger in far enough. So actually, having the outer latch cover the plunger ensures that it won't come unlatched accidentally (not that it could anyway with the outer one locked in place).
*****
Looks like a dumb uncomfortable mechanism, could have been easily done with a recessed button
Some guy is asking 6000 and its in worse condition than these....
My friends grandfather (supposedly) has one of these! I figured they were rare, but this just confirmed it. Any idea the value both with and without mum?
Well, you can watch the auction results for these two in a week and a half or so...
Alright, will do!
What a clumsy-looking weapon. The Japanese final paratrooper version, the Type 2, proved the best. The rifle separated into two parts easily and could just as easily and quickly be reassembled. Japanese Arisakas had overly-large bolt handles. The best was the Soviet Moisin Nagant Type 44 short rifle. It had a small, short bolt handle that worked perfectly and being small, was far less obtrusive.
You would thing the Japanese would have come up with a better solution?
GraphicTs. com They did; the Type 2 Paratrooper.
適当に作ってみた感がすごいするな
Kick accuracy out the door
hey Ian, I am a big fan of your channel, but I would like to see a different introduction for videos without shooting, Something that gives a different vibe like. Just a suggestion, keep up the oneofakind amazing videos.
Do these rifles still have the emperors seal on them? Or whatever it is called.
I've heard Japanese rifles with this still on them in original condition drives the price up alot.
The Imperial mark is a chrysanthemum flower on the receiver, and yes but of these have that marking intact.
I didn't know exactly what they were but thanks for the quick reply!
Is there any locking mechanism to lock the stock in its folded position?
+WorldEagleKW I was wondering the same. It would be very unwieldy to not have that.
It would probably have been in a bag during a jump, and there'd be no reason to accommodate having it folded afterward.
Did the Japanese ever have any rifles with the bolt handle "turned down"?
Yes, the Type 97 and Type 99 snipers.
Thanks Ian!
Does I have anti aircraft sight
There's a guy on Gun Broker right now.. Cutting up Arisakas and calling them "reproduction paratrooper carbines". He needs to fucking stop..
Folding stocks then, NOT a new idea.
Well atleast its a funky folding stock!
*starts duck taping half a door hinge to a musket*
I have a type 38 with the mum in tact. It is missing the front barrel band/bayonet lug. Any idea where I could find a replacement?
www.japanesemilitaryfirearmsparts.com/Type-38-Rifle-Parts_c7.htm
$20
Ask, and ye shall receive..
Thank you very much!
good video.
however i am disappointed you didnt buy a set of wireless mic with the fund you raised and instead bought a not very useful drone.
I did get a wireless mic, but I used the condenser mic for these videos. Perhaps not the best choice, but I'm still learning.
Forgotten Weapons Well I think the drone is badass.
Thanks for the awesome RIA videos
smart
Japanese had Paratroops? I thought the fastest way for them to get on the ground was directly with the plane...
Well lucky for you, they actually did have a unit for that called the Giretsu Kuteitai that purposely crash landed on Okinawa to fight the US.
what was your favourite weapon at ria?
Hmm...probably the MKb-42.
Forgotten Weapons
i liked the weird handmade revolver yea the mkb is realy cool ,too
When unfolded is the stock loose ?
Yes, there is nothing to latch it in the folded position. I presume it would be in a bag or pouch that would keep it from flopping around.
Forgotten Weapons Thanks Ian ,RIA vids is a great concept
speaking of japanese rifles, was 6.5 JAP really "out dated"? With post war advances we found that "full sized" rifle rounds were not needed yet these rounds and others were deemed out dated.
In the thinking of the times, yes it was. In the long run, it might have been just perfect. IIRC when the Russians (1916, so not the Soviets) invented their own first-ever automatic rifle (Avtomat Federova), they chose 6.5 Japanese as the cartridge (it fit the bill and it was familiar to them from the 1904-05 war). Russia wasn't doing well at that stage of the First World War, even before the Revolution, which was why that rifle never really saw the light of day.
I suspect the reason NATO ended up with a larger-bore cartridge is IN PART that there's more room in a .308 bullet for specialist fillings, e.g. tracer, incendiary and AP cores (the rest was politics, of course). Note that light and medium machine guns stayed in 7.62mm calibre even after the widespread introduction of the AR-15 and its offshoots as the infantryman's personal rifle. Had the .280 British gone into service with the EM-2, would we have seen retention of the .303 for the Vickers and Bren? Who knows?
jsm666
Space for tracer and AP components was an argument raised in favor of the .30 cal projectiles, although in hindsight it wasn't actually all that legit. As for the Bren and Vickers, examples were made in .280 of both guns, and the plan was to use that cartridge in everything.
They didn't have a lot of paratroopers because they just kamikaze instead
Guy at my local gun show had one but for 6000 fucking dollars
So let me get this straight...
The frigging SONs were the first military to adopt carbines with folding stocks?
Twenty years before anyone else?? And this is the first I'm hearing about it???
F@@@###k!
SON = Soldiers of Nippon (Showa Era imperial Japanese troops)
Folding stock was far too simple solution for Germans so they made rifle with bayonet, sight, bipods full auto and semi auto option that was no longer than standard rifle and was light.
Smol rifle
What is this?! A rifle for ants?!
I love these videos but i cant help but cringe when you fumble the gun a little and it bumps on the table :P
Yeah, but it's a plastic table and sounds was worse on camera than it really is.
What bad luck, to be instructed in paratrooper tactics by the germans of all.
who else would really like a reply from Ian......daddy issues methinks!
why are you so sad in this video?
Ok.. Please.. Americans, stop saying "Carbene" it's "Carbine" as in "porcupine"
4:46 Gun Jesus reads Holy Texts, 30 AD colorized.
The japanese also had the wierdest manafacturing.
Wow that is so poorly made and crude.
Thad japenese made bad guns