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Why Troublesome Trucks are So Troublesome | Thomas & Friends Analysis
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I’ve watched Thomas for years. I’ve seen every incarnation of Troublesome Trucks, from them pushing James off the rails(twice), to Scruffy getting ripped to shreds by Oliver, to them finessing Diesel, to Hector, to them actually behaving when Thomas first met Nia in Big World Big Adventures. And I’ve come to the forgone conclusion that the only reason they act bad, is because they’re just bored as hell. Besides hauling things around, they really have no purpose. So they feel like to the best way to change that is to mess with every engine around them. Steamie or Diesel.
yeah, troublesome trucks are only "troublesome" at the british isles, but nowhere else around the world. i always found that a bit odd. maybe it really does just absolutely have to do with the way they are treated. where at the britsh isles theres a social hierarchy where trucks are viewed as beneath engines, which parallels to how british people can be quite snobbish towards anything/one seen "beneath" them. however elsewhere trucks are well behaved because such social construct doesnt exist and everyone are simply treated as equals.
I would be bored too tbh if I was a truck
They must be REALLY bored if they literally risk their own lives like that, just to have fun.
imagine sitting in a yard for countless hours in the baking sun waiting to be pulled
doesn't sound fun does it
After all, they don't care how big they are, to them it's just a game.
A natural tank engine in its natural habitat
naturally
Can you do some custom troublesome trucks HO 👍🏻
Dam he got CORRECTED BY THE CZcamsR HIMSELF OH DAM
2:13 “In Thomas, there are no villains” Diesel: *”Am I a joke to you, mate?”*
Let's not forget diesel 10, hurricane, Frankie and a pirate dude that I forgot his name.
@@ezeahrizcalupas6280 Sailor John
Diesel isn't a villian he's just a bully
Expertly done. I never knew the context of why Awdry initially depicted trucks as troublesome, so this was very helpful. I think for an in-universe reason behind it, the "Character Gallery" episode on Hector had a pretty solid explanation that relates to the point you mentioned about the dirty, grungy look of the trucks, tying it into their poor maintenance.
I really loved that point about the personification of engines, rolling stock, and other vehicles as well. It reminds me of an interesting approach that's been done a handful of times in certain fan work, where not everyone in the world sees the engines, especially the Sodor ones, with faces because they don't see them as individuals. They only see them as normal, run of the mill vehicles without any sense of distinction or personality.
Yo! I love Character Gallery, it adds so much more context to the show and books. I also like MOTL's "Long Live the Iron Horse" Audio Drama. Really shows how little control the trucks have over their own lives, how little others around the care for their wellbeing, and what they will do to keep their lives in their own hands
I'll definitely have to check that out, Hector was such a fun addition to the show. I think it's a really interesting way to look at the sentience, as a matter of perspective. The stories are meant to be plausible with or without the characters, so it makes sense that seeing the character within these machines is only something certain people see!
Is island of sodor real
The first season used just eyes and a mouth on the trucks. In season 2 they started using full faces. The reason you don't see faces in many shots is for artistic reasons. Faces draw attention and when they want to put emphasis on other aspects of the scene, they turn the faces away (or leave them off the trucks). They do something similar with engines where they deliberately turn faces away for certain shots.
A wonderful analysis, Caleb. The trucks have always baffled me -- the fact they're so eager to cause trouble at whatever cost... I really enjoyed this look into the trucks. Can't wait for the next video! :)
what do you think is the limit of "going too far" for a truck
@@Calebtrain no
There are no limits for the trucks
This is very true. Considering they're willing to quite literally destroy themselves, other engines and their troublesome truck friends to cause trouble.
My stance on the characters has for a long time been: Awdry was just the translator.
Everything in our world has a story. Everything in our world has a personality. This entire wonderful world we are on TALKS everyday… we only need to pay enough attention to understand it.
Awdry understood that steam engines talked from a young age. You could say he was “a sort of man who knows how to speak to an engine”. Awdry’s books attempted to encapsulate that idea and pass it on the generations to come.
100% this! Having the sentience be a matter of perspective I think is the best explanation.
as much as I love the TV show (model or CGI), they never seemed to 'get' Awdry's writing. not fully
What about diesels, aren’t they young?
Troublesome Trucks are like internet trolls before internet trolls.
the OG's
I’d say you hit the nail right on the head!
I’ve had a theory for a while about the engines’ (and rolling stock in general) sentience that’s basically the same as yours. It’s their identity. If your able to identify an engine, car, truck, coach, etc. (like by a number, name, behavior, etc.) then they have a personality
Absolutely! Great theory, I think that identity (which has to be recognized by someone else) is what makes you remember them.
I love when Henry said despicable and he has minion eyes on
I enjoyed making that bit haha
Whenever anyone in the show would say “Be more careful with trucks” I’ve always wanted to add this kind of joke afterwards.
“Seriously, I’ve been on this god forsaken island for many years, and every time an accident happens, trucks ALWAYS seem to be at the center of almost every single one. It’s like they’re the railway’s own publicly known terrorist organization or something………..why do we keep them alive again?!”
They really do just get away with whatever they want, everyone just accepts that they are the way they are and never try to do anything about it lol
Well I never believe it. The Legend is still here.
@@Calebtrain probably because they tend to die.
@@Calebtrain welp, that can mean only one thing.
🎶Sir Top, Sir Topham Hatt.
He’s the root of the problem.
There is no doubt about that.
Why won’t he scrap the trucks?
It’s plain as plain can be, for everyone to see
That he’s the cause of all our problems🎶
Probably because it would be expensive and bankrupt the railway.
The fact that the trucks don’t want to hurt or play tricks on Peter Sam because he’s so nice
right like 😭
But didn’t they do so to Peter Sam once in “Duncan gets Spooked”?
@@princesspixel3151 ngl I think if they had large scale sir handel at the time they would've used him since the trucks love to specifically mess with him on that railway
Everything needs to have a story especially Trains.
Definitely especially trains. :)
That was really good! I like the explanation of what actually made them a terror from time to time, and how their real world issues became an allegory for their tricks and hi-jinks. As a kid you don't really think about it, but that's why classic Thomas is still fun as an adult. All this stuff came from real world events, and trucks did really push and pull engines to an extent, causing trouble.
Perfectly put, it’s what keeps you coming back for more!
This was really informative really appreciated the information why wagons/trucks cause accident in the railway.
I'm glad you enjoyed it :D
Speaking of kindness that’s probably why Salty can handle even the most vile trucks. He’s kind and patient with them and knows how to motivate them. He could probably even get Scruffy to behave.
That's very true! Salty is a legendary character
In my opinion.... the reason as to why Troublesome Trucks are.. well.. troublesome is because deep down all they want is recognition for they're contributions to the railway, without them how could goods be transported anywhere and benefit the island?. You almost have to feel sympathy for them. All they're lives they've been bumped & bashed around ( even when they're not being been naughty ) simply because that's just the way things are etc... never getting so much a friendly hello. The engines are all so use to doing this as due to letting instinct teach that they should assume trucks are 'always' going to be naughty that they never stopped to think about how it affects them. On the other side of the same coin.... the truth is that trucks act up so often is because they never get to know and befriend anyone that they feel they must be rude & misbehave for us to notice them.
All trucks deep down simply wished to be really useful, treated & respected equally like everyone else, even just stopping and having a friendly talk to them would be enough to make them feel very much included as apart of the railway family. Troublesome Trucks are not just some cog in the system... but a true member of the team.
I do wonder what would happen if the trucks were treated with some more respect and recognition...
@@Calebtrain There'd be a lot less crashes and lawsuits for The Fat Controller to deal with, that's for sure.
Nobody:
The truck at the beginning: it's Ą̷̴͓̜̹͓̖͔͕͎̭̭̞̇̓͌̌̿̉͑͗ͩ̅̆͐̔̏͐̕ M̪̤̪̫͉̼͈̳̲̳̞̻̣͋̐̀̋͗̽́̃̏ͤͫ̾̈́ͮ͆ͧ̊ͧ̚̕͟͝͠͝_̙̖͇̫̉̎E̵̡͕͍͎͂̓́ͫ
run.
@@Calebtrain oh god
Cool little video here. Not something I have ever thought about trucks behaving well. Even though they do. Nice to see!
It's the one's who cause trouble that get noticed!
I swear, you're like an extension of Unlucky Tug's quality content.
I swear every truck on this island must be suicidal - t1e2h3 worker
Particularly the ones that collapsed a mine on top of themselves.
They don't seem to care about their own well-being at all
I’m glad u pointed out Peter Sam and his relationship with the trucks it true he never bumped them unless they were misbehaving so I can assume Peter Sam let them sing make jokes and just be kind too them too the point where they even tried too save him.
We can all learn a thing or two from Peter Sam :)
@@Calebtrain it’s true
Imagine if being a complete menace was both your job and entire personality
It was always weird to me when trucks would groan despite not having faces especially in Crossed Lines since the groans are coming from flatbeds which have no place for a face to be...
It does make you wonder...
I've been through your channel every now and then. I saw "Passage" a while ago and I LOVE it. The model work and cinematography is fantastic accompanied by a soothing narration and energetic voice actors.
I've also recently come across these analysis videos of yours which I'm really finding interesting. The memes and pop culture references are some nice touches as well that keep the viewer entertained.
On the subject of this video, I find this topic very fascinating. "Races, Rescues, and Runaways" was one of the first Thomas the Tank Engine DVD's I got, and even as a little kid I would sometimes wonder what the troublesome truck's motives behind all their catastrophes were.
This also reminded me of an audio story I saw a while ago that's mainly based around Rheneas in the early days of the Skarloey Railway. But the slate trucks play a huge part in the events of the story and could provide an explanation why the trucks are troublesome. I look forward to the next one!
Races, Rescues, and Runaways was one of my favorites too! Thanks for watching these videos, it makes my day to hear you're enjoying them. Passage was definitely a passion project, and I'm excited to make more narrative content with the models!
I say we need to bring back the "disgusting disgraceful despicable" meme. For old times sake...
Man i miss when that meme was popular
It really was iconic
I think the trucks are secret psychologists who like to play god because they’re bored. They act as a source of karma against engines with negative emotions
They definitely know more than they let on
Antagonists can count as close to villains if you will like D261, Diesel, 'Arry and Bert due to them cause trouble and antagonising the steam engines about being better and replacing. Then in Magic Railroad, real villains are born like Diesel 10.
Very true! The diesels are a whole other can of worms...
@@Calebtrain Glad you understand.
Absolutely fantastic work Caleb :D
and really fleshed out from that initial simple idea ^^ really looking forward to the next one!
You're a legend, Tom! Such great material to build from, thanks again :)
@@Calebtrain hey you did all the heavy lifting and hard work ^///^ i will be sure to run any ideas your way :3
For me, problem wagons are highly undervalued characters because, well, engines treat passenger wagons better, and I don't see them, it's because they want to be treated as
they want to be treated better as they treat passenger rolling stock these have emotions too and i think reverend aldriw should have thought better about carriages.
I definitely agree that troublesome trucks are undervalued and overlooked. They are the backbone of the railway!
u blew my mind with the faceless and non faceless debate. imagine every vehicle has face its jus their personalities that make them fade into the background. bro tht was deep.
The fact is that the trucks betrayed Peter Sam, and they destroyed his long pipe thingy and he gave the new one
"Even if it means [the trucks' death], I guess." Considering there are perhaps dozens of trucks per engine they may see their deaths as a win for truck kind if they take one engine out. It is a battle of attrition, and they have the numbers.
Taking one for the team, I guess 😂
I'd say the faces aren't necessarily just imagination, but to put a face on a personified character that otherwise would be just another faceless machine or piece of rolling stock to those who don't work with them. It makes these characterful machines into characters that anyone can relate to.
Separate note and a bit of a fun thing about that, even small scale models can have character. I've got a plucky little N-scale 4-4-0 that punches above its weight class, a lazy N-scale 4-8-2 that calls it quits the moment it encounters a grade, a G-scale 0-6-6-0 that can be best described as a badass, and an old G-scale 0-6-0 live steamer that started off as a poor runner but is just now getting back in its stride.
Absolutely! Model trains have BIG personalities, even Awdry's own OO Henry model was as troubled as the character!
I've also got a couple of OO models that have some personalities as well
- My mainline 57xx pannier doesn't waddle, but is a little tempermental when it comes to speed control
- My little LMS pug shunter is one of my smoothest and most behaved runner in the collection (not to mention cute 🥰)
- My GWR class 101 shunters are very eager on running
- My mainline LMS Scots Guardsman is a really smooth runner and will stroll away with a decent sized passenger train, this is the engine I'm most proud of to own
My left ear really enjoyed this video.
I'm sorry 😢 Editing mistake!
It is time for the working class to rise against their steam oppressors
Truck Revolution
The intro makes me imagine a David Attenborough-style mockumentary about engines that talks about them like they're wild animals.
So it’s like a school. Your parents take you to school or work, you act up you get sent away, that is basically school.
You could look at the entire railway though that lens!
@@Calebtrain
wow, your right!
Technically speaking, non fitted wagons do have brakes, they just have to be engaged and released manually by the levers on the side.
It was usually the case that unfitted freights would stop at the top of a grade and the guard would go along the train to engage the brakes on the wagons and pin them down using slots that were in the frames to hold the levers in place at varying levels. The lower the slot you pinned, the harder the brakes would be engaged.
It was usually up to the driver to determine how many wagons would get pinned so the train could be pulled down the grade safely but not grind to a halt with too many applied, usually would blow the whistle when he thought there was enough.
This is actually referenced in a Thomas episode where there's a sign beside the line which reads "ALL TRAINS STOP TO PIN DOWN BRAKES".
5:50 Now that you mention it, narrow gauge rolling stock feels a little more middle of the road (Probably because the coaches don't have brake pipes). The trucks take care not to vent their anger on Peter Sam, and the coaches outright derail engines they feel belittled by.
This analysis gives me a new prespective on the trucks and I love it
I'm glad it's given you some new ideas! :)
@@Calebtrain your analysis' always give me new ideas and prespectives I love it!
To quote starscrem "IM eeeVil Megatron tHats WhaT I Do"
if the shoe fits
3:05 I don't remember so many of the trucks dying.
The trucks still played tricks on Edward and Toby in Cows and Toby's Tightrope respectively. I don't know if they've ever pranked Daisy
not yet
I can't believe I never thought about about. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed :)
This was such a wonderful vid! Would love to see more!
Many thanks, I've got more on the way! :D
Here a interesting question
Why be some coach (All the coach beside Annie and Clarabel and the narrow gauge coaches) don’t have face from the gauge1 model
But the zoom in model do have face (As I remember it was the orange branch line coaches, I believe it just Annie/Clarabel zoom in model)
And the Express coaches do talk (in the first season)
Also in the RWS the flatbed also talk
I'm reminded of the time Gordon said, and I quote, "Trucks are no one's friends." I personally believe he was wrong in that aspect. It just depends on the engine handling the trucks.
man, i sure do love only being able to hear the voice over in my left ear!
your right ear has been too privileged for too long
(I'll make sure the audio is balanced correctly next time)
The personification angle does explain why those with faces are the troublesome ones, doesn't it. Also, loved the real life history section, I figured how the trucks acted was true to real life, but I never knew enough to confirm it.
It's actually pretty neat how much real life inspired so many elements of this franchise!
4:06 Oh hey, it's JobbyTheHong's smooth jazz!
my left ear loves you caleb
I've got drama with your right ear, we're not on speaking terms
(I will make sure the audio is balanced properly in future!)
My left ear enjoyed this.
The true personification of Wilbert Awdry
a visionary
The fact that they can’t move on their own is also probably why they’re cool with dying
it’s gotta have an effect on the psychology
Love all this new content! Great work :)
Thank you! :D
@@Calebtrain it’s nice that your posting again, I’ve missed you and the rest of busted, keep it up 👍🙏
Pure Evil Trucks Are: I'm wrong or right
Well you're not wrong haha
That was brilliant Caleb, if a little queer... Y'know, if there was ever a set of trucks I'd personalize, it'd have to be Milk Tankers, for two reasons: 1st is how they were most commonly used back on the Great Western Railway as Duck would recall, and 2nd I'd imagine they being above the harsh treatment of being bumped and banged about by engines like James, purely due to they seeing Milk as precious goods that cannot be delayed. I'm sure you wouldn't mind that a good Personality aye?😉
Absolutely! The milk tankers do seem like they would be polite, in fact the only trouble surrounding them is usually caused by Daisy!
@@Calebtrain Carson would definitely agree with ya: czcams.com/video/ca1MiyLF0JU/video.html
Simple: IT IS FUN!
Very true!
Salt Van: hey look at that big black weasel u should have a top like me and be a salt van. Ner Van: no u like a house with that top. The Trucks Ohhhh Roasted.
i kinda zoned out when all of a sudden i heard fucken "take me out to the ballgame"
somehow it just fit
This is the first of these essay videos of yours that I've watched, and I really like the angle that you took here with the trucks. I wasn't expecting you to bring up how they bring out the best (or worst!) of the engines, and that's really clever of you to notice that. I can't believe I never made that connection before, and I JUST did a review on Trucks.
The only other thing I have to say about this video is to watch your audio levels. There were a couple times where your voice was a bit louder than the clip, or the music made things a bit hard to hear a clip. Other than that, everything checks out!
I will definitely pay closer attention to audio levels in future videos!
@@Calebtrain If you need any help with it, just let me know!
Well put and well said!
Thanks :)
The thumbnail is a reference to one of the tomy thomas starter sets (thats at least what I think)
Wasn’t completely intentional, maybe a subconscious thing!
What about the Troublesome Trucks in the CGI Series?
I'd definitely like to take a look at the CGI series at some point!
The troublesome trucks are probably the characters I feel the worst for. Imagine how dull their existence must be, you are alive, but you can never move under your own volition and you're forced to carry stuff in you and be shoved around whether you like it or not. Their like the slaves of Sodor in a way, and on top of that nobody cares about you, you get destroyed they just replace you. Hell not even other trucks care about you evidence from pop goes the diesel only mentioning the trucks he damaged in a passing word. The trucks get board as hell as well and since they can't do anything of their own volition they just try to cause trouble because that's basically all they can do. Salty gets along with them very well because he sings songs that entertain them thus providing a light to their otherwise dull existence. Ultimately the trucks existence is dull and sad only lifted up by causing mayhem in a world where no one, not even eachother care for them and I feel sad for them
Norow gauge trucks different from the standard gauge standard gauge troublesome trucks the narrow-gauge wanted revenge on saw handle for being rude
The narrow gauge trucks are definitely a different breed
this guy sounds like he'd be a season 4 - 8 narrator
3:46 Booooo you suck! got me laughing
I made a couple of these in lego... though they really couldvuse the faces...
I made them *more* troublesome! Not only fo they not have brakes, but I gave them rollerbearings 😂👍
So, it all boils down to quillity control
So Percy, Edward, Mavis, Arthur, Salty, Den, Hiro, Henry and Thomas (to an extent) have a special way of how to handle those michevious brainless trucks.
'In Thomas, there are no villains.'
LIES. Diesel was a piece of work, and so were the trucks!
You might wanna fix this. The audio is mostly on the left stereo channel.
I can't believe I didn't notice this! Will absolutely make sure this isn't an issue going forward :)
0:34 isn’t that one of the troublesome trucks faces in Emily’s new route?
1:00 I love this footage of Jinty shunting in the railyard. Does anyone know the source?
0:22 Did the trucks cause this? Or did Henry cause it?
y’know they don’t explicitly say-my bet is on the trucks
@@Calebtrain 👍
*Troublesome Trucks (Foolish Freight Cars)*
Well Done My Friend
Thank you!
Anytime
Is that the episode when gordon had enough
2:13 no villains he says
Diesel
Arry
Bert
Class 40?
Horrid lorry
George?
Spiteful break van
I'd love to own a troublesome truck
I'd give it a name and a purpose
And what's that purpose? Holding my DS and 3DS game cards
And the name? That's up for you to decide
My right ear is very lonely, aka just make sure both channels get equal level of narration, probably duplicate your left audio track to the right channel when it comes to your VO track
next time I'll cut the left channel to make it up to your right ear
I'm a little surprised you didn't continue with this into the CGI era where the vast majority of trucks lost their faces and weren't often referred to as troublesome anymore. Why? Because they're all red now, British Railways painted trucks with continuous brakes bauxite instead of grey.
mfw you don't have to be a productive compartment of transport and can be a nuisance and menace to the company that owns you
they really do just get away with it, can't exactly lock them in a shed or tunnel
6:50 -- where exactly did this scene come from? I don't remember ever seeing it
Oliver Owns Up!
Really well done video but I'm unsure if this is on your end or youtube's end. But your voice audio balancing is wonky, only playing out of the left speaker. While sound effects are balanced and play out of both.
I can't believe I didn't notice this--I will make sure it doesn't happen again in the future :)
@@Calebtrain You're all good, it's prob a rendering bug in the software you're using. Just as a headphone user it's really clear to hear. It may not be as bad on speakers.
6:51 Where’s that scene from? Is it a deleted scene?
I thought it’s because it’s in the name
Dont bump coaches 5:55
Funny 😁
😂
Didn't you make a video about this theory 9 years ago?
With the same title anyway haha-I’m surprised anyone remembers that!
@@CalebtrainThe only times I've seen the trucks be at their worst is Milktankermedia's episode where Scruffy made them push Oliver into a fuel tanker train that Edward was pulling and the infamous Richard Jordan story "Down the hill".
What episode is the shot of Oliver on a flatbed from??
Oliver Owns Up!
Is island of sodor real?
Skill Issue😄😄😄😄
he dragged him
Its simple they are pure evil
1204th
Duck made diesel strugle with some china clay trucks so the trucks sing pop goes the diesel now diesel was hate tward the engines and wants them scraped its really ducks fault so one day edward takes a woods train away the van in front called the lynton van breaks away with the cars and makes duck crash in to a barber shop thats how diesel got back not untill season 6 the world's strongest engine the trucks bet diesel to push em back so diesel gets 20 of em the cars slip the breaks on and diesel broke away and laned in a boat
4:24