Auto-tune goes wrong LIVE for Michael Bublé. Is it REALLY worth the risk?!

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  • čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
  • On the agenda tonight we're taking a look at a couple of performances by Michael Bublé with varying degrees of auto-tune!
    Performance Video Links -
    TV Show - • Michael Buble performs...
    Madison Square Garden - • Michael Bublé - I've G...
    TIME STAMPS -
    0:00 Start
    0:16 Intro
    2:00 TV Show Performance
    5:28 Madison Square Garden Performance
    8:13 TV (2) + Analysis
    8:46 Turning OFF the auto-tune
    10:23 MSG (2) + Analysis
    15:56 Too Consistent to sound 'Good'
    16:19 Final Phrases
    17:39 Natural Voice on the Line?
    19:21 Important Questions!
    20:32 A Sad Time for the Industry
    21:29 Bringing Back Natural Singing Live?
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  • @bogusdogus
    @bogusdogus Před 2 lety +1007

    Problem is that the argument for using autotune starts with a false premise that the most desirable singing is that which dead accurately represents the intended note each time. Great singing mostly moves around the exact precise pitch, implying it by starting phrases above and from below and only occasionally hitting it dead on. That’s actually the sound we most associate with great vocal performance and where the real artistry and tone, phrasing and dynamics come from.

    • @jerryking45
      @jerryking45 Před 2 lety +21

      Very astute

    • @125sloth
      @125sloth Před 2 lety +22

      Exactly right. Well said.

    • @TheMomoAxel
      @TheMomoAxel Před 2 lety +32

      Spot on. Imagine Nina Simone autotuned!

    • @elimooremusic
      @elimooremusic Před 2 lety +15

      Tuning a vocal with Flex Pitch etc. isn't just a one button fixer. All the parameters of performance are broken down and are manipulatable - pitch drift, vibrato, formant, fall off. You don't HAVE to hard tune everything to right in the middle of the pitch, or erase all the scoops; the technology just gives us the tools to massage, correct or destroy a performance

    • @joynjrny
      @joynjrny Před 2 lety +3

      The best singers aren’t perfect but the Carol King performance at Harry Reid’s memorial was horrible.

  • @glennsmusicchannel
    @glennsmusicchannel Před 2 lety +417

    To me, autotune is not acceptable at live shows. It definitely changes my feeling about taking the time and expense of going to the show. The artist can atone by discontinuing autotone in the future.

    • @martinstepanek8902
      @martinstepanek8902 Před 9 měsíci +3

      💯

    • @Ziggy_Moonglow
      @Ziggy_Moonglow Před 8 měsíci +9

      Trey Parker doing "Gay Fish" at Red Rocks wouldn't be the same without the autotune.

    • @Oneness100
      @Oneness100 Před 8 měsíci +12

      I think someone like Cher's use is OK because it's just used for an effect for a small portion of a vocal performance, but using it throughout their performance, that just tells me the vocalist sucks and it's a sign of a musical con artist.

    • @JeffMTX
      @JeffMTX Před 8 měsíci +1

      I’ve got the world on a midi track…

    • @djdarksade
      @djdarksade Před 8 měsíci +2

      Never ever go to a Maroon 5(as if i woudl lol) gig..the dude can´t live without it.... :D

  • @JMGilberto
    @JMGilberto Před 3 měsíci +58

    My mother, Astrud Gilberto, was, among other things, the voice of Eastern Airlines. You would have to sing, along with the orchestra in those days. For some of the spots, the orchestra would play almost a minute in, and then she'd deliver the tagline at the end (a very high note). You either nailed it, or *_EVERYONE_* got to do it again. I'm old enough to remember when people could actually sing without computer devices. No wonder everyone, even young people, still listen more to older music.

    • @BeaSides
      @BeaSides Před 12 dny +12

      One of the most gorgeous voices in the world.❤️

    • @chironjo
      @chironjo Před 7 dny +9

      A big fan of your beautiful mom. May she rest in peace.🙏🏼

    • @kmaddox6857
      @kmaddox6857 Před 6 dny +5

      Wow, the girl from Ipanema! She was a wonderful singer and sang some of my favorite genre of music, bossa nova and samba. Ms. Gilberto and Tom Jobim, Stan Getz, and, of course, Joao Gilberto! Oh, those were the days of such great music. My sympathies for you for the loss of your mom, and my gratitude for your mom and her beautiful contributions to the world of this incredible music.

    • @Gazr965
      @Gazr965 Před 6 dny +3

      I love the Girl from Ipanema song.
      I was only 4 when it was released, but still listen to it now.
      Sad for the loss of your Mother.
      Gaz UK.

    • @ok_barrett
      @ok_barrett Před 6 dny +2

      Omg hi João Marcelo Gilberto?!?

  • @chrissyuy
    @chrissyuy Před 8 měsíci +37

    Can you imagine Karen Carpenter or Patsy Cline using auto tunes? Seriously, auto tunes cannot beat natural vocal perfection! The beauty of humanity is that it has minor imperfections that allow expression and personality to shine through! AI can’t touch the human voice.

    • @billesposito2112
      @billesposito2112 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Karen is god as far as I'm concerned Vocally that is.I was so moved the 1st time I heard her. And continue to be .

    • @marthaworc7873
      @marthaworc7873 Před 24 dny

      If Neil Young was going into the music industry today, he might be able to write songs, but he would never be able to sing them. If he insisted on singing them, into the autotune booth he would go. Very sad, really.

    • @Lowtomkitedude
      @Lowtomkitedude Před 14 dny +1

      Got that right! Just listen to "Where the Boy's Are" by Connie Francis. Her singing on that song is so pure and beyond reproach. If it were all Auto-Tuned, well, I just can't imagine it. It would suck so bad!!!

    • @diamondlenasan
      @diamondlenasan Před 13 dny

      lucky that we are able to hear voices like that and know they were great singers. their voices give me goose bumps.

    • @fattyjaybird7505
      @fattyjaybird7505 Před 10 dny

      ​@marthaworc7873 F' that.... id rather hear someone f'ing up than stupid auto tune.

  • @davidthomas8685
    @davidthomas8685 Před 2 lety +671

    This is a great example of auto-tune making a great singer worse. The ability to travel through a note, climb or decline to a note, manipulate vibrato, utilising all of that to tell a story, is what makes a singer great. You lose all of the humanity, all of the emotion if you snap to a scale.

    • @CharlieTWilbury
      @CharlieTWilbury Před 2 lety +17

      Michael sounds much better live without AT. Great work, Fil very interesting.

    • @ohger1
      @ohger1 Před 2 lety +30

      A great singer would never need autotune. Watch any Nat Cole live songs from his short lived TV show. He's dead on every note.

    • @nathanloosemore4141
      @nathanloosemore4141 Před 2 lety +15

      It's become an industry standard to use backing tracks with vocals on them to thicken out the lead voice. A lot of singers use it live but you can't rely on it. I'm talking a few cents flat or sharp and it really smoothes the voice out live. Of course with such a small tolerance you still have to be within that range or it will correct to the wrong note. After touring with progressive rock and metal acts I can confirm this is done every show with the bigger acts. Heck, I've not even seen keyboards plugged in before along with all the backing, it's all on the track. It's surprising what you can get away with though as most people don't have a musical ear.

    • @schues317
      @schues317 Před 2 lety +16

      @@ohger1 He’s likely NOT dead on every note (nobody is), but he’s a great singer and human ears don’t detect it as “off” unless it’s quite a bit off, so you wouldn’t know. It actually sounds better than if it’s auto tuned even though with auto tune it’s perfectly on pitch.

    • @curragh4635
      @curragh4635 Před 2 lety +11

      Great singer? Are you serious??

  • @jrg4313
    @jrg4313 Před 2 lety +503

    I watched a video of Paloma Faith where she was singing live in a small venue. She was covering a song by another singer of which I don't remember the name of the song.
    The first few words she sang were very off key, she laughed and stopped the music. She apologized to the audience for not hitting the correct notes, and proceeded to make fun of herself for the awful singing. She did a few seconds of vocal warmups while joking with the audience, then told the band to start at the beginning. She hit the notes perfectly. The audience appreciated her honesty and cheered her.
    Auto tune is awful. The music industry has ruined music.

    • @TheAtticradio
      @TheAtticradio Před rokem +23

      Good singers are generally ‘honest’ with their voice …

    • @lovejumanji5
      @lovejumanji5 Před 9 měsíci +12

      Yes. I saw morrisey hit a bad note , he put his hand over his ear and cringed 😂. Another time, he said I don’t know why your applauding so much I messed it up badly .

    • @macronencer
      @macronencer Před 8 měsíci +17

      A truly professional response, that. I saw Peter Gabriel do a similar thing with the piano when I was at his Manchester gig a few years back: he began a song with the wrong chord, then just smiled at the audience and said "let's try that again, shall we?" and got it right the second time.

    • @ericbitzer5247
      @ericbitzer5247 Před 8 měsíci +10

      The music industry certainly did ruin music. Music was my life for years. I played guitar for over 30 years and been in several bands. I haven't picked up a guitar in years and don't even listen to music anymore. I skip around you tube to see what's going on, but that's about it.

    • @lovejumanji5
      @lovejumanji5 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@ericbitzer5247 Hello Eric , have you ever heard of the controversy over tuning instruments? I think it’s about tuning to 432 mhz . I’ve seen videos where they do a side by side comparison of the sound. Idk , might be something to check out , put some new gas in the car ….LOL I hope I got it right , if not just looking it up you’ll probably find it.

  • @drumguy1384
    @drumguy1384 Před 2 lety +51

    Never, ever, ever, ever, ever use autotune live!

    • @jimintheboxaudio7771
      @jimintheboxaudio7771 Před 8 měsíci

      Maybe not autotune specifically but I use tuning live weekly. Just have to use it correctly and like any tool know when to kill it if its not working

    • @dthorne4602
      @dthorne4602 Před 6 dny

      Never ever use it ever. It's bullshit

  • @medwayhospitalprotest
    @medwayhospitalprotest Před 8 měsíci +25

    My ex was obsessed with Bublé, at Christmas. I could hear the autotune, actually I call his the Bublébot. He sounds so metallic. 🤖

    • @Lowtomkitedude
      @Lowtomkitedude Před 14 dny +3

      My husband used to LOVE Bublé! He played me one of his albums shortly after we first met. I told him, "He's a great singer, but it's a shame that he feels he has to use Auto-Tune on all his songs. He really doesn't need it. He's really very good." My husband asked, "What's Auto-Tune?" So, after many a listen while I described the technology, he finally was able to hear it. After that, all bets were off. Thankfully, I never got to hear another Bublé song on our stereo. Thank God!
      - And hey! Mr. Bublé: If you're out there reading this, you almost had an ardent fan, but your Auto-Tune literally "Tuned" me out. Sorry buddy.

  • @charlotteemerson5050
    @charlotteemerson5050 Před 2 lety +151

    When an artists performance is manipulated with autotune, the audience is manipulated.

  • @Ursaminor31
    @Ursaminor31 Před 2 lety +112

    Auto tune is a crime. My best singing was live one take on stage in the opera hall. They way it should be. You prepare, you work hard, and then you do your work and fly together with the orchestra And conductor. Nothing like it. Human emotion is frequency and is carried direct to the heart

    • @xonx209
      @xonx209 Před měsícem

      It's similar to actors wearing makeups or having plastic surgery. Are those crimes as well?

    • @WriterLilyth
      @WriterLilyth Před 17 dny +1

      I like watching Eurovision because it separates those who can sing live with those who can't. For all the world to see... or, well, mostly Europe 😂

    • @SureshHotwani-nd1nj
      @SureshHotwani-nd1nj Před 13 dny +1

      ​@@xonx209dont be a singer if one cannot sing in tune....

    • @jadebel7006
      @jadebel7006 Před 12 dny

      Well is autotune not ok sometimes? Without vocal effects on singers we wouldn't be able to create certain sounds to add to the experience of the song.. would the beatles 'rain' 'Lucy in the sky' 'strawberry fields' etc sound as good without effects on John's voice? Besides some ppl listen to music purely for the instrumental n dnt care about vocal, music like dance music, so surely there's just and time and place and genre for it, music isn't only about singing it's an experience

    • @SureshHotwani-nd1nj
      @SureshHotwani-nd1nj Před 12 dny +2

      @@jadebel7006 auto tune is not an effect... Itsa CORRECTING program for pitch.... Ifa singer sang more than 25% out of pitch, then he is not a prof singer.. Justa person with a singing hobby

  • @RosaKay55
    @RosaKay55 Před 9 měsíci +29

    This is such a shame. Michael Buble’s fans enjoy his natural voice with all its nuances. It’s what makes him Michael Buble!

    • @mojo4376
      @mojo4376 Před měsícem +2

      Apparently not….hes a fake.

    • @drinkinslim
      @drinkinslim Před měsícem

      @@mojo4376 Well, the sound engineer made him a fake.

    • @Taterwheel
      @Taterwheel Před 29 dny +1

      "Michael Buble’s fans enjoy his natural voice with all its nuances."
      Or, so they thought. If you get caught using it live, NO WAY does one NOT use it in the studio.

    • @Tidybitz
      @Tidybitz Před 29 dny +1

      ​@@mojo4376 ... He's not fake, I've heard him sing beautifully unacompanied, he is a good singer, and as the video shows, he doesn't need to use auto tune.

    • @tobybaker5187
      @tobybaker5187 Před 14 hodinami

      He's always been completely autotuned.

  • @kurtcpi5670
    @kurtcpi5670 Před 9 měsíci +11

    Buble has pitch control as least as good as Frank Sinatra. By Autotuning, it removes so much of the human nuance as to render it, in this case, as unlistenable. One of the ways I determine if any part of a "live" performance is actually live is by catching mistakes and little pitch deviations. I'd much rather hear an actual performance than a computer generated/enhanced one. If the stage doesn't differ from the studio, what's the point in a live performance?

  • @marthaworc7873
    @marthaworc7873 Před 2 lety +170

    I am glad a new generation of listeners WILL NOT put up with autotune. Good show!

    • @nikjkeenan2866
      @nikjkeenan2866 Před 3 měsíci +5

      No chance, 99% of people don't recognize autotune and it frustrates me so much

    • @kenmarvin370
      @kenmarvin370 Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@nikjkeenan2866 Exactly. Hell, they WANT auto-tune!

    • @drinkinslim
      @drinkinslim Před měsícem +1

      @@nikjkeenan2866 And rappers with autotune. Why on earth.

    • @nikjkeenan2866
      @nikjkeenan2866 Před měsícem +2

      ​@@drinkinslim You know what's actually the worst? Actual good singers, that would sound perfect and natural just jamming even without effort, but the producers decide to put autotune on their voice.

    • @momokoblue8032
      @momokoblue8032 Před 24 dny

      You kids today want perfection in their vocalists, which is why artists today are driven to using it.

  • @ellie698
    @ellie698 Před 2 lety +226

    This is so bizarre
    It never occurred to me that people, especially people that *can* actually sing, use autotune while singing live.
    It just seems ridiculous to me.
    Just get a robot to sing.
    The whole point of hearing a good singer and hear them sing live is that you hear the personality, character and individual time
    tone of their voice.
    Ella Fitzgerald did incredible things with her beautiful voice.
    Imagine trying to use autotune with her. It would take all of that beautiful personality out.
    Crazy

    • @martinegerton8094
      @martinegerton8094 Před 2 lety +10

      Yeah, it's lost on me too! I thought, of all people, Mr. Buble wouldn't need it!🤔

    • @TheAtticradio
      @TheAtticradio Před rokem +5

      Sounds ridiculous ;

    • @TheAtticradio
      @TheAtticradio Před rokem +5

      Another scientific piece of equipment used wrong . Use it for Audio research/ science etc

    • @viviennehayes2856
      @viviennehayes2856 Před rokem +5

      I never even knew it existed until I started watching this channel a few days ago!

    • @vlw4165
      @vlw4165 Před rokem +4

      @@viviennehayes2856 Me, too. Never heard the term "auto-tune" before. Good grief! Who knew?

  • @ticktock2383
    @ticktock2383 Před 8 měsíci +31

    So glad I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Great singers and wonderful music.

  • @thewebstylist
    @thewebstylist Před 8 měsíci +76

    Truly a sad day and age when even Buble can’t rely just on talent 😢

    • @sallypope7871
      @sallypope7871 Před 8 měsíci +15

      Could he ever?

    • @robertmuckle2985
      @robertmuckle2985 Před měsícem +12

      @@sallypope7871 His Christmas album is unbearable to listen to because of the Autotune!

    • @alfching2499
      @alfching2499 Před 27 dny +1

      Talent😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @GonzoDonzo
      @GonzoDonzo Před 14 dny +1

      Ive never understood how he rose to where he is. Ive heard hundreds of people in karaoke bars who sound just as good or better then him. It just baffles me

    • @bakimum5286
      @bakimum5286 Před 6 dny +2

      Maybe it is not Michael’s decision but the producers and record labels.

  • @PumpkinMozie
    @PumpkinMozie Před 2 lety +118

    Artists shouldn’t be allowed to call a performance “live” if they’re using autotune/pitch correction. It’s all lies.

    • @crystalwaters8852
      @crystalwaters8852 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Its a rip off, just listen to the record, very few people are good live.

    • @irishguy200007
      @irishguy200007 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Autotune is horrible

    • @drinkinslim
      @drinkinslim Před měsícem +2

      It's interesting, because vocals are processed through all sorts of equipment when singing live: gates, compressors, delays, reverb. I know: it's different... and yet kinda the same. I mean, the voice is being processed.

    • @iy42
      @iy42 Před 20 dny

      ​@@drinkinslim Exactly, pitch correction is just another tool. Singers would also suddenly sound worse if you took away the reverb, doesn't mean their voices are bad and that reverb is fraudulent. The issue with autotune has nothing to do with whether it's lying or not; it just ruins performances a lot of the time. This video wouldn't exist if autotune hadn't ruined the performance, but you can just as easily ruin a good performance with bad EQ or compression and almost no one would care about that.

    • @fattyjaybird7505
      @fattyjaybird7505 Před 10 dny

      ​@@iy42touche.... but, eh, autotune pitches, its a different monster than ambience or volume.... and.... i could guarantee, if theyre using autotune, they are DEFINITELY using everything else as well...might as well have anyone or everyone else singing.... just lipsync, might as well.

  • @larry4111
    @larry4111 Před 2 lety +449

    "Making the voice into a keyboard" is probably the best and most succinct description of autotune I've ever heard - and something that even the casual listener can understand. Thank you, once again, for the excellent analysis.

    • @drewpall2598
      @drewpall2598 Před 2 lety +7

      @
      Larry Richman... Always enjoyed reading your comments given your musical background 👍

    • @larry4111
      @larry4111 Před 2 lety +4

      @@drewpall2598 Thank you, Drew. Much appreciated. :)

    • @brywool
      @brywool Před 2 lety +7

      I thought it was 'making the voice a 1980s answering machine...' ;)

    • @larry4111
      @larry4111 Před 2 lety +6

      @@brywool Ha! Yes, if used poorly enough.

    • @frankbarnwell____
      @frankbarnwell____ Před 2 lety +3

      Steve Perry does that on "Something to Hide", on the album Infinity. A guitar or keyboard. 1978.

  • @lesliegaudreau5310
    @lesliegaudreau5310 Před 2 lety +17

    This is so educational. I feel much more aware of auto tune and can now hear it in recorded and live performances. It is dreadful and I wish singers would stop using this technology. The voice is not perfect and forcing it to perfection is unnatural and ruins it for me. Thank you FIL for highlighting this!!!

  • @barbaragannon8455
    @barbaragannon8455 Před 6 měsíci +12

    You are a FANTASTIC music teacher!!!

  • @latmcb9863
    @latmcb9863 Před 2 lety +107

    I think auto-tune should be banned from live performances and all recordings with auto-tune should have a big disclaimer. It's the only way to tell if a singer is truly great. There are plenty of great singers who don't need it and it's a disservice to them to let a program decide how their notes should sound. Thanks for another great analysis!

    • @chrisnieto5547
      @chrisnieto5547 Před 9 měsíci

      Let’s start with total miming first shall we.

    • @WellMefisto
      @WellMefisto Před 8 měsíci +2

      "I think auto-tune should be banned from live performances and all recordings with auto-tune should have a big disclaimer. It's the only way to tell if a singer is truly great"
      If they do that, do you promise to buy all the records and go to all the concerts????

    • @SuziQ.
      @SuziQ. Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@WellMefisto,
      I will, as long as I *like* the music.
      If I found out that the bands I pay to hear live are using auto tune, I’d stop buying their records, and merch, and stop going to their concerts. Effects pedals on guitars are acceptable, because we can hear them. Anything fake and over processed is not getting my money.

    • @cameranmanner4701
      @cameranmanner4701 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Then bands should not be using prerecorded back tracks. Support the industry and hire musicians.

    • @latmcb9863
      @latmcb9863 Před 3 měsíci

      @@cameranmanner4701 Absolutely - good point!

  • @toby9999
    @toby9999 Před 2 lety +259

    A great singer doesn't need autotune.

    • @ckh57
      @ckh57 Před 9 měsíci +3

      That is Angelina Jordan at any age.

    • @Stefan-
      @Stefan- Před 9 měsíci +22

      A real singer doesnt need autotune.

    • @malte2483
      @malte2483 Před 9 měsíci +4

      ​@@Stefan- Correct😂👍

    • @byrondickens
      @byrondickens Před 8 měsíci +8

      Hell, a mediocre singer doesn't need Auto-Tune.

    • @irishguy200007
      @irishguy200007 Před 8 měsíci

      The autotune sounds terrible

  • @axismundi8
    @axismundi8 Před 8 měsíci +20

    I find there's a natural musicality in the human voice, spoken and singing, which resonates with our nervous system. I actually feel physical discomfort listening to Ai speaking or singing. I can't bear to think how it's damaging people's ability to feel. Thanks for this brilliant episode.

    • @heaven7360
      @heaven7360 Před 3 měsíci +1

      That thought occurred to me in a way too. How would I react if I began talking to my friend and the person started sounding like a robot person. i would think they had been somehow altered by brain surgeon or abducted by aliens and had been altered in some way. I wouldn't be feeling the same connection with the person or have any sense of receiving or giving compassion.

  • @BrendaLeavitt-to9mr
    @BrendaLeavitt-to9mr Před měsícem +4

    So, I'm not understanding WHY these singers are OK with this being done?! WHY are they NOT speaking out against auto tuning of their natural voices?? WHY is this ok?? I have just binge watched your videos. You're amazing and I'm learning so much. Thank you! (Love your subtle smiles as you watch/listen to some of these.)

  • @StuffBudDuz
    @StuffBudDuz Před 2 lety +242

    Great singers can use being "off" the note and then "on" it as a purposeful tension-and-release. It's another tool in the vocalist's toolbox. The premise that a note must land and stay perfectly on pitch is the whole problem with autotune. Autotune does what it's supposed to do. The problem is that we shouldn't be doing it.

    • @Lea99Jones
      @Lea99Jones Před 2 lety +4

      Sliding up to a note creates huge problems for AT... And sliding up to notes is standard fare for many singers, including me. Not all the time, just some of the time.

    • @Lea99Jones
      @Lea99Jones Před 2 lety +2

      @buzz magister vibrato is nature's autotune.

    • @125sloth
      @125sloth Před 2 lety

      You covered that well. yes Autotune does what it is supposed to do, but if it malfunctions or fails, and many have, it is even worse for the performer.

    • @tonysc7610
      @tonysc7610 Před 2 lety +2

      @buzz magister That's right. If you can sing....sing. If you can't, get off the stage.

    • @petersolomon5227
      @petersolomon5227 Před 2 lety +3

      Indeed, just listen to Maria Callas' recordings. It is the "offness" that beguiles and moves us.

  • @citywitt3202
    @citywitt3202 Před 2 lety +59

    I always make a point when recording music never to use autotune, it’s like reducing the world to 8 colours from the more than billion we have now.

    • @citywitt3202
      @citywitt3202 Před 2 lety +2

      @@JTScott1988 I’ll add stylistic auto tune as a rare exception, when you want the world to only have 8 colours.

  • @Lu_R
    @Lu_R Před rokem +14

    I think great singers can use auto-tune to do something interesting with a song, change it in a perticular direction they desire. The problem is that auto tune is rarely used this way. It's not like singers didn't edited their voices in post production before AT. Hell, Queen did that. (at least I believe they did in Bohemian Raphsody - getting weird sound effects to make the voices more pronounced) Again, the difference is the awarness of the direction.
    AT is esentially used nowadays as a shortcut not as a tool

  • @jeffbrown-hill7739
    @jeffbrown-hill7739 Před 8 měsíci +13

    A folk/bluegrass engineer once basically forced me to use autotune on a recording, with the rationale that "everyone uses it". I was only able to convince him to lessen the effect. I think engineers and producers sometimes get too lost in the weeds and can't ignore the slight pitch fluctuations of human singing. It's like an itch they have to scratch, when in my opinion the sound of pitch correction is usually far more distracting than vocals that are slightly out of tune.

  • @burnunders9129
    @burnunders9129 Před 2 lety +292

    I have been a singer for a great many years. It’s great to have someone calling out the frauds. Singers should keep it real or find another career/hobby or get singing lessons. Nothing grinds my gears worse than auto tune. Well.. maybe professional lip sinking.

  • @bentaylor216
    @bentaylor216 Před 2 lety +352

    This reservation about the drawbacks of technology applies not only to vocals. I'm a drummer. I don't claim to be a great drummer but I love playing and I love listening to great players. Tempo shifts into a chorus, the expressive lag on a snare beat in a single bar - all of these are human and music is a form of communication between human beings. If it becomes mathematically precise then it is machines talking and the human element disappears. Where then is the humanity and emotion? I wonder whether machinery has contributed modern music being so often boring? Keith Moon was not the greatest timekeeper but the sense that he was about to fall off the edge was what made his playing so exciting. Janis Joplin may have wandered around a note but the rawness of her performance is what made it heart rending. I'd rather listen to Aretha being slightly flat than Beyonce being autotuned. Thanks for the video. Always enjoy your stuff.

    • @creamydistortion
      @creamydistortion Před 2 lety +17

      Have you seen the video where they run a John Bonham track through beat detective and totally ruin it? I think it was Rick Beato who did that. Like "Bonham is so far behind the beat, he's actually in the previous measure! Let's fix that!" And it sounds terrible...

    • @SAHBfan
      @SAHBfan Před 2 lety +14

      @@creamydistortion - some of the best drummers play miles behind the beat. Especially the snare drum. I have spent hours and hours trying to play behind the beat and it is really difficult to do to order. I had a ‘master class’ with a well known drummer (I won’t name drop 😏) who was well known for playing behind the beat and I asked him how he did it. He said it was just the way he played… no secret, nothing he could tell me, it was just natural 😡

    • @mattemeny2606
      @mattemeny2606 Před 2 lety +1

      Well said, my friend. Well said

    • @blacksabbath1022
      @blacksabbath1022 Před 2 lety +2

      @@SAHBfan Bill Ward plays that way and has said the same.

    • @mikew9788
      @mikew9788 Před 2 lety +3

      @@creamydistortion absolutely, couldn't have said it better

  • @chickadeedownfarm6708
    @chickadeedownfarm6708 Před 8 měsíci +8

    Half the fun of your videos is seeing you smile.

  • @laurabraniganforever-matty7613

    I understand why pitch correction exists, but when people say it's the standard/so common, therefore it's necessary I just roll my eyes. We have decades of incredible studio and live performances that are perfect and never needed any correction. I've never listened to a record from the 60s-80s and thought "this should have been autotuned/pitch corrected". Sure it may help make the recording process easier but it's NOT necessary. It should be a tool not a standard. I'm not talking about use of autotune for a style (like Cher).

  • @tnmoppylaura5476
    @tnmoppylaura5476 Před 2 lety +146

    Too bad that so many have forgotten that we’re human. Being human is what makes voices special. Otherwise we’re just machines. Sad. Thanks Fil.

    • @pcno2832
      @pcno2832 Před 2 lety +5

      One of my favorite vocal performances is Gladys Knight's version of "If I Were Your Woman", especially the "you're like a diamond, but she treats you like glass" part where her voice is right on the edge of cracking. It's off just enough to show emotion, but not enough to to sound like a mistake. Imagine how much would have been lost if they had had auto-tune back then.

    • @tommyh4116
      @tommyh4116 Před 2 lety +1

      Amen

    • @brendancronin3796
      @brendancronin3796 Před 2 lety +2

      Thank you ...that's exactly what I've just put ...it's just wrong

    • @VABE81030
      @VABE81030 Před 2 lety +1

      So true.

    • @brendancronin3796
      @brendancronin3796 Před 2 lety +1

      @@VABE81030 imagine Nick drake or Nina Simone..with autotune..GTFOH

  • @bsmith5970
    @bsmith5970 Před 2 lety +277

    Frank Sinatra managed this song thousands of times with NO auto-tune. Using technology just because it's there is not a good thing. Michael should stop them from using auto-tune for his own good.

    • @visaman
      @visaman Před 2 lety +11

      Plus he was deaf in his right ear.

    • @NuncNuncNuncNunc
      @NuncNuncNuncNunc Před 2 lety +3

      Was going to make the exact same comment about Sinatra.

    • @kln58cub
      @kln58cub Před 2 lety +9

      Believe it or not, there were thousands of people back in the day that could not stand Sinatra as a performer. Not all women were swooning over his voice. I like some Sinatra and but not all of it.
      I think it would be cool to have Fil compare Buble and Sinatra with the same song. I find his study and explanation of singing techniques very interesting. I remember having to listen to things like this studying music in high school and college. I find this fascinating.

    • @visaman
      @visaman Před 2 lety +8

      @@kln58cub The reason Bobby-Soxers were swooning over Sinatra was that he was the only male singer around, as the rest were drafted. I think it's funny to see the old WB cartoons, from that era, with caricatures of Sinatra. One of the funniest has him as a rooster, with the hens swooning over him.

    • @ArchieFatcackie
      @ArchieFatcackie Před 2 lety +4

      @@kln58cub
      It would be like comparing a Rolls Royce to a Skoda.

  • @lookherenow
    @lookherenow Před 8 měsíci +8

    Bublé’s live appearance on the Graham Norton Show (backed by a big band) a few years back sounded great and I made a recording of it. The more I listened though, I realised he was singing slightly sharp throughout the song - which suggests no autotune in this particular performance.

  • @spitzer1113
    @spitzer1113 Před 9 měsíci +7

    His voice sounded much better with no autotune. I mean he is a good singer so I don't know why the need to even use it. Expecting pitch perfect notes from a singer is unrealistic and not natural. Imperfections make live performances so unique and interesting.

  • @haddockpaddock
    @haddockpaddock Před 2 lety +90

    I never knew any singers would ever think of using autotune for live performances. How sad, for us and for them. And how naive I was!

    • @jeframp3805
      @jeframp3805 Před 2 lety +3

      I once did a karoke night and I thought I would try to make myself sound perfect to be funny. So I loaded autotune onto my laptop and ran the mic through it and then ran that through echo and delay. Well thee result was like this stuttery echo mess. The accuracy was not actually too bad but it didn't sound natural it was so robotic . Like chers believe.

    • @dulistanheman
      @dulistanheman Před 2 lety +1

      The hype of Plug-ins industry and VST's are skyrocket in the past 10 years.
      Hold your pocket before they take it from y'all. 😅

    • @drumguy1384
      @drumguy1384 Před 2 lety

      Never, ever, ever, ever, ever use autotune live! lol

  • @jackconnolly2665
    @jackconnolly2665 Před 2 lety +65

    About 7 years ago, Buble's "just havent met you yet" was the very first example of auto tune I actually heard. I didn't know what it was, I just knew it sounded electronically altered.

    • @jadezee6316
      @jadezee6316 Před 2 lety +6

      why are you wasting your time listening to bad singers

    • @robc1961
      @robc1961 Před 2 lety +4

      It's a beautiful day is the same way. I hate autotune. It's a david foster thing. Jason scheff cant sing in tune either and foster produced chicago during the scheff years.

    • @przybyla8
      @przybyla8 Před 2 lety +3

      @@jadezee6316 what’s your problem dude

    • @keetonplace
      @keetonplace Před 2 lety +4

      Does Buble' not think he's a good enough singer without it? I am shocked he has used this for so long. He did a duet of Fever with Elvis on an album with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. Wonder what went on there, as Elvis absolutely never used anything like that. It was Elvis' album. Never would. And certainly never needed it.

    • @Sonia-xyz
      @Sonia-xyz Před rokem

      And in "Lost"?

  • @allendunn8881
    @allendunn8881 Před 2 lety +10

    I always equate autotuned vocals to the "uncanny valley" in cgi...Humans are naturally attuned to important stimuli, picking up nuances at a very high level. Nuances in vocal communication are immensely important in picking up subtle metacommunication the intimate, emotive, subtextual content of voice. And lack of natural variations "feels" uncanny. It always hit me right in the spine when autotune is used.
    Not mind you that there aren't useful and musically interesting ways to apply autotune as an effect...But systematic application always puts me right off.

  • @JillRhoads
    @JillRhoads Před 2 lety +11

    In the studio is one thing...but live is another. When you go to a concert or watch on TV, we want to hear unique performances....otherwise we would just listen to Spotify and the studio version over and over.

  • @thelonious-dx9vi
    @thelonious-dx9vi Před 2 lety +28

    It's particularly a shame, because this dude is a real singer.

  • @AyeCarumba221
    @AyeCarumba221 Před 2 lety +427

    Didn’t people sing perfectly beautifully once upon a time without needing computer enhancement or other electronic wizardry? Frank Sinatra? Andrew’s Sisters? Bing Crosby? Dean Martin? Judy Garland? Beach Boys, Beatles, Etta James, Ella Fitzgerald? I mean really, I want to hear real human beings singing, not a bunch of processed shit. Cmon man…

    • @lrh411
      @lrh411 Před 2 lety +21

      Absolutely. Listen to Ian Gillan on the old Deep Purple records, or Earth Wind & Fire with White & Bailey. I want to hear people, not machines.

    • @BrunoNeureiter
      @BrunoNeureiter Před 2 lety +9

      But they sound bad to today's ear. We're too used to perfect music

    • @BrunoNeureiter
      @BrunoNeureiter Před 2 lety +9

      @@MyRackley It does make sense. People nowadays are accustomed to a different sound than 40 or even 200 years ago

    • @Wolfwolveswolf
      @Wolfwolveswolf Před 2 lety +7

      Pendejo,
      Yes true!
      But- of course it all comes down to MONEY.

    • @lrh411
      @lrh411 Před 2 lety +22

      @@BrunoNeureiter I disagree, I AM TOO used to perfect music, which is music recorded without the BS of having someone/something correct your mistakes, sing it right... I cannot even imagine what someone like Lou Gramm thinks of this nonsense of having pitch correction applied to a singer's voice, especially live.

  • @crystalwaters8852
    @crystalwaters8852 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Great analysis as usual. Love the detail! Keep live music LIVE. ❤

  • @Sonia-xyz
    @Sonia-xyz Před rokem +1

    I'm glad I came back.
    Last time I think I didn't even understand half of it.
    Now I can listen to his song "Lost" again.
    I need to hear that one from time to time.
    💔

  • @drewpall2598
    @drewpall2598 Před 2 lety +95

    I just read were Michael Nesmith, who was best known as one of the Monkees passed away today at age 78 (RIP) Michael and thanks for the wonderful body of work you left behind.

    • @greenbeagle13
      @greenbeagle13 Před 2 lety +4

      Sad.

    • @marialuisamalnero2711
      @marialuisamalnero2711 Před 2 lety +3

      Very sad news

    • @cindypowers4993
      @cindypowers4993 Před 2 lety +7

      Aww, how sad. As a young kid, I remember watching the bed rolling down the street at the beginning of the show"Hey, hey🎶, we're the Monkees....!!!! 🛏️🎶

    • @drewpall2598
      @drewpall2598 Před 2 lety +10

      @@cindypowers4993
      Davy Jones 30 December 1945 - 29 February 2012
      Peter Tork February 13, 1942 - February 21, 2019
      Michael Nesmith December 30, 1942 - December 10, 2021
      Micky Dolenz is the only surviving member left of the group.

    • @Shell6424
      @Shell6424 Před 2 lety +5

      I'm devastated. Nes wrote Monkees classics.

  • @Caperhere
    @Caperhere Před 2 lety +46

    It’s like when we used to listen to cassettes. If the player started to eat the tape, you’d hear the music start to warble, and immediately realize you had to hit eject, in hopes you could get the cassette out and uncrinkle it , or cut and splice the tape.
    Why do they auto tune? Why do they mime on tv performances? I’m gaining more respect for bar singers by the minute.

    • @Ofthegirl09
      @Ofthegirl09 Před 2 lety +3

      Those were the days!

    • @robertmac7833
      @robertmac7833 Před 2 lety +1

      You had to be FAST on your finger! If you waited a couple seconds, you had a crinkled, tangled, wrapped around mess!

    • @VABE81030
      @VABE81030 Před 2 lety +6

      And then inserting the pencils to rewind the ejected tape hoping to salvage your tunes.

    • @robertmac7833
      @robertmac7833 Před 2 lety

      @@VABE81030
      Yup! I remember!

    • @annameadowshelvie5714
      @annameadowshelvie5714 Před 2 lety

      In fairness, there were an awful lot of pop singers lip-syncing on TV shows back in the 60s and early 70s, because the technology didn't exist for them to reproduce the record's instruments and effects in a TV studio. But they were good singers, and these were mainly teeny-bopper shows.

  • @Ottonic6
    @Ottonic6 Před 9 měsíci +4

    Especially when you're singing live, you don't need it because there is so much ambient interference that most audiences can't tell if you are slightly off. Even more so with great performers that dance or have light shows, the audience is so wrapped up in focusing on everything else they aren't paying attention to the vocals as much. Audiences are unintentionally forgiving in those situations.

  • @prongATO
    @prongATO Před 2 lety +7

    This reminds me of the way timing works in songs. A lot of really great music has tempo that is variable throughout the song. It makes total sense to me as a drummer, let me explain; even if the tempo for a song is 120bpm, during a live song or depending on how it was recorded, the tempo may be 124bpm in some sections and 118bpm in other. It’s not wrong when it happens, it is part of what makes older music sound so great. New music programs drum machines to rattle off perfect timing, they record the chorus once, then duplicate it as many times as they need and paste it. It’s all artificial.

    • @lizcademy4809
      @lizcademy4809 Před rokem

      I used to manage a group of street dancers. (Morris dance) The musicians told me dancing to recorded music would be almost impossible, as the music must follow the rhythm of the dancers' feet, not the other way around. The dancers might speed up or slow down slightly, they might get distracted for a split second ... live musicians who are used to working with dancers can follow those changes.
      I know this isn't true of all forms of dance, and to my ears, some street dance styles have only a very loose connection to their music.

  • @mccornchip
    @mccornchip Před 2 lety +135

    Kudos to you Fil for exposing this sad auto-tune reality. If a live performer needs auto-tune, then they probably need to reconsider performing live. It’s not worth the $100 ticket to us customers.

    • @carlodave9
      @carlodave9 Před 2 lety +5

      His fans won't know. Record companies can pay to tweak algorithms to help suppress widespread sharing of the fact to known consumers of his music. Even if fans were told, they probably wouldn't care, because that's where we're at.

    • @lyallg8112
      @lyallg8112 Před 2 lety +2

      @@carlodave9 , sadly, you’re right. I’m waiting to see ‘if’ my post of this video is going to be approved in The Buble Insider’. Even if it is, I’ll be heavily criticised and labeled a very nasty person by the legion of ‘worshippers’.

    • @carbon1255
      @carbon1255 Před 2 lety +2

      @@carlodave9 I'm sure Disney and Warner owning most of the news organisations in the world is purely coincidence.

    • @brendalg4
      @brendalg4 Před 2 lety +1

      @@carlodave9 I am not a fan but I can hear the auto tune.. I don't need software to show it to me. This was nearly unbearable to listen to

    • @dirkpehrke9909
      @dirkpehrke9909 Před 2 lety +3

      It’s a downward spiral. Every performance now is filmed and recorded and every human mistake made available to billions of people immediately. And gigs costing 100,- or more have to be perfect.
      I kind of get it that artists want to play sure. Like her or not, but you have to be Adele to not be afraid. Easy on me is a great production, cause it is 100% autotune free and some notes are flat, some are sharp and all of them are exactly right.

  • @pommie5093
    @pommie5093 Před 2 lety +159

    It makes something real become fake. People get upset if a musician or singer pre-tapes a song for a special performance and then plays the tape when they're live. How is this different? It may be their voice coming out of the mic during the live performance but it's still being altered. And, as you said, Fil-there is no point to it because Buble has such a wonderful voice. But even if he didn't, it's all the same to me. I want real, the real voice, especially when I'm being told it is.

    • @ronjones1077
      @ronjones1077 Před 2 lety +10

      With ticket prices in crazy land for some of these folks we deserve to hear the real deal, not a damn machine

    • @gavinpearcey
      @gavinpearcey Před 2 lety +5

      @@Loralie571 Buble is about as in control of how this performance is managed as the average person is in control of their cat.
      Buble is not much different than an accountant. He shows up for work, someone tells him what they want him to do, and then he does it, and has no/little control over conditions. If the boss wants him to use. QuickBooks, that's what he uses, if it's Sage AccPacc, that's what he uses.

    • @pommie5093
      @pommie5093 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ronjones1077 Exactly

    • @ronjones1077
      @ronjones1077 Před 2 lety

      If you want to hear someone who doesn’t need auto tune try Angelina Jordan...any song

    • @audibletapehiss3764
      @audibletapehiss3764 Před 2 lety +2

      @@gavinpearcey A singer of his calibre has final say on anything and everything about the way his voice sounds in the house. It's far more likely that he went along with it than it is that he was forced to abide. This isn't a teenage pop singer whose parents signed their rights away.

  • @carito3515
    @carito3515 Před rokem +1

    I'm going to michael buble concert tomorrow here in Melbourne! I'll be keeping my ears out for this! I'm glad this video popped up the day before!

  • @goncalonunesfonseca6091
    @goncalonunesfonseca6091 Před 9 měsíci +4

    Basically, auto tune would never work in Blues influenced music, as the 3rd degree of the scale is usually sang in between the minor and major mode, therefore not relating either to the previous or next "12 note system" note, as the computer doesn't know where to drag the it...

  • @Lamster66
    @Lamster66 Před 2 lety +109

    ironically the same goes for instrumentalists too.
    You can spend hours in protools pulling and pushing notes to get them on the lines only for it to sound like a midi file played by 3 robots and a bbc micro.
    Take something with isolated tracks by say the Beatles for example and hear both how out of time they are and how, the consistancy of the timing varies. Musicians like to refer to this as "The pulse" When you listen to a tight band the entire band speeds up and slow down in unison to one another.
    Never exactly but always by an amount virtually undetectable to human perception.
    Its a slippery slopeonce you strive towards the perfect recording.
    There's no substitute for playing it well in the 1st place.

    • @visaman
      @visaman Před 2 lety +2

      Oh yeah. John was screaming most of the time on his vocals on Double Fantasy.

    • @dcfromthev
      @dcfromthev Před 2 lety +1

      Great comment, couldn't agree more.

    • @marcraygun6290
      @marcraygun6290 Před 2 lety +2

      Mmm BBC MICRO

  • @jrileycain6220
    @jrileycain6220 Před 2 lety +29

    Fascinating. Real artists have always known that it is natural imperfections that make true beauty. Perfect symmetry is unnatural.

    • @jawn5661
      @jawn5661 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Perfect symmetry will always be beautiful. Why do you think autotine is a must nowadays? Its keeps the vocals smooth and lively.

  • @nevaleslie7755
    @nevaleslie7755 Před rokem +6

    Personally I would feel cheated if I paid money and then found out it was fake. I think autotune is cheating.

  • @supralapsarian
    @supralapsarian Před 8 měsíci +3

    Applying auto tune to a crooner is like applying posterization to an impressionist. It is painful to listen to.
    You keep calling your visual a waveform. As somebody who regularly manually edits samples to clean up waveforms, I cry foul. We are not looking at a waveform, but a pitch graph.
    That aside, this is a masterful analysis. Thank you for doing this. I appreciate your work!

  • @musiceduca1
    @musiceduca1 Před 2 lety +53

    Thank you, Fil, for discussing this topic! As a vocal music teacher and singer, I am 100% (and much more) with you on all counts! The voice is a psychomotor instrument. If we start relying on auto-tune, we potentially can lessen the important and essential impact of our human brain and emotions/full body in the process of singing. The human voice is one of, if not the most personal, verbal means of expressing ourselves! We, as the public, and leaders/professionals in the music industry need to value and encourage the use of singers’ natural voices!

  • @jporter504
    @jporter504 Před 2 lety +48

    I would not be happy to be at a concert and realize that they are using auto tune. I understand the stresses of touring but auto tune crosses the line for me.

    • @prd004.2
      @prd004.2 Před 2 lety +1

      Don't look now but many, if not most are faking playing and singing to a pre recorded track

    • @dustinthiessen
      @dustinthiessen Před 2 lety

      @@prd004.2 nobody is faking anything... Tracks are only used to augment what's already on stage. It's not exactly feasible to tour with full orchestras, multiple keys players, and guitar players, and several backing singers. Tracks are just there to fill out the sound, not for musicians or singers to mime to. I've mixed thousands of live shows, and never had anybody fake performing.

    • @prd004.2
      @prd004.2 Před 2 lety

      @@dustinthiessen wrong. Many touring acts fake things you’re probably not aware of

  • @dawndeleon3765
    @dawndeleon3765 Před 2 lety +5

    Very interesting. No, it doesn't really make me think less of Michael Buble, because you're absolutely right, he's a great singer anyway. I saw the James Cordon episode of carpool karaoke that Michael did, and I don't think they were using any auto-tune post production for that, and he still sounded great. But at least now I won't beat myself up anymore if I can't hit every single note dead on like the people I hear on the radio.

  • @joethelion6016
    @joethelion6016 Před 9 měsíci +3

    The weird thing I started noticing is that he mutes his s's. He either moves the microphone or lowers his voice. I first noticed it in 'Meglia Stasera' which he sings wonderfully

  • @corvettezcorvettez
    @corvettezcorvettez Před 2 lety +143

    Thats why legends like elvis Presley are legends. His vocal range and power was intense and real.

    • @donaldperrotta8514
      @donaldperrotta8514 Před rokem +4

      Absolutely ! Right up to his very last concert !

    • @Bowling_Dude
      @Bowling_Dude Před rokem +6

      his vocal range was actually pretty limited, but what elvis did better than anybody else was emotion behind his singing.

    • @ckh57
      @ckh57 Před 9 měsíci

      As well as Angelina Jordan at any age.

    • @jennyjorgensen9935
      @jennyjorgensen9935 Před 9 měsíci +7

      His vocal range was NOT very limited. Are you kidding?

    • @Lobtoy82
      @Lobtoy82 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@jennyjorgensen9935 yes, Bowling dude must have cloth ears or never heard of Elvis.

  • @DaisySage
    @DaisySage Před 2 lety +32

    I worked with Michael Bublé in musical revue theatre before his fame. He has a fabulous, beautiful, strong, tuneful voice and he got his chops singing day in and out on the live stage. Also he was a sweet person. Just saying.

    • @lazaruskarl2629
      @lazaruskarl2629 Před 2 lety +2

      Blaaaa....blaaaaa

    • @119Agent
      @119Agent Před 9 měsíci +8

      He is a good singer. Who in the industry is making the decision to autotune these artists?

    • @adamatari
      @adamatari Před 9 měsíci +5

      I am about 99% certain he doesn’t get a say in the use of autotune, that’s the music biz

    • @lamecasuelas2
      @lamecasuelas2 Před 9 měsíci

      Maybe something in His contract?

    • @scrambaba
      @scrambaba Před 9 měsíci +1

      so autotune is to save having too work too hard?

  • @RichVidz
    @RichVidz Před 26 dny

    I love your videos! I recently discovered Wings of Pegasus and found your videos to be informative and instructive. Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to viewing more.

  • @Palvader
    @Palvader Před 4 dny

    Thank you for not generically saying that autotune is not always bad, even while making fun of these pitch correction failures!

  • @dumbfounded298
    @dumbfounded298 Před 2 lety +59

    Hearing Michael's isolated voice like this just shows how auto tune changes a natural vibrato from a natural pitch modulation to more of an amplitude modulation. It’s like his natural and incredible sounding voice has had a key component ‘photoshopped’ out. I find this to be too big a price to pay for the convenience of ‘fixing’ the odd and rare (and not necessarily unwanted) out of tune note.

    • @magnuseriksson8081
      @magnuseriksson8081 Před 2 lety

      but I guess this is an extreme example, even I wouldn't sound this bad when I am singing... hahaha..!

    • @latmcb9863
      @latmcb9863 Před 2 lety

      Great way to put it. I agree totally.

  • @kennykarlsson6691
    @kennykarlsson6691 Před 2 lety +38

    Autotuner destroys the very thing that makes your voice uniqe.

  • @davidlee2822
    @davidlee2822 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Phil, Very well expressed, and much needed. I'm a lifetime student of piano, a music major in the 1980s. I was raised in Kentucky, listening to Country Music in our home. Then later, I studied Classical. Going back to analyze Johnny Cash, I've been amazed that I can't always figure out what his melody note is (or was supposed to be), yet somehow he managed to sound fairly good much of the time! At least, he was good enough to have his own TV show in America for some period of time. I hate to think of the indecision Auto-tune would have experienced if it had existed then and attempted to "correct" his voice. Though not as good of a singer as Michael, wouldn't Johnny Cash be a "case-in-point" of a singer who was seldom holding pitches "on the line," yet still sounded good somehow? There's something mysterious working there. You've explained some of the reasons. Let me compliment you on your vocal skills--your ability when explaining what an artist is or isn't doing to use your own voice to mimic them with exact pitch and dynamics even when they are "out of your vocal range"! You are so talented both vocally and as a guitarist. I very much love all your work on Wings of Pegasus. Thank you for a lot of fun listening to your thoughts. With much appreciation, David Lee

  • @JonnyCrackers
    @JonnyCrackers Před 8 měsíci +2

    This makes me appreciate good singers even more. So much faking goes on these days, not just in music but everywhere. It's sad.

  • @davesmith9070
    @davesmith9070 Před 2 lety +105

    Not his biggest fan but the man can sing really good naturally ,why would he need auto tune ?

    • @samanthab1923
      @samanthab1923 Před 2 lety +6

      That's what I wondered!

    • @rroades
      @rroades Před 2 lety +9

      He’s done a vocal analysis of Jon Bon Jovi describing vocal fatigue. Remember, these folks are vocal “athletes” and just like a elite sports athlete can get fatigued over many weeks of practice/ games (rinse/repeat) and need rest and healing

    • @Caperhere
      @Caperhere Před 2 lety +9

      @@rroades Yes, or perhaps if they have a cold.

    • @deltab9768
      @deltab9768 Před 2 lety +7

      For various reasons (including actual bad singers) this just became a standard practice. Producers, even legitimate good vocalists just assume it can’t hurt and will catch anything that might be off key by a marginal amount. Obviously there’s downsides to that, it strips some of the character of your singing and since it’s almost like “cheating,” it makes people speculate about how “horrible” you might sound without it.

    • @ElderSnake90
      @ElderSnake90 Před 2 lety +10

      Agree, Ive seen Michael in concert a few times, he doesn't exactly need it

  • @mkenific
    @mkenific Před 2 lety +50

    You just can’t unhear it! His voice actually sounds better without it. I have never, and will never, use it.your videos are so interesting. Love what you do!

    • @wingsofpegasus
      @wingsofpegasus  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks!

    • @brendancronin3796
      @brendancronin3796 Před 2 lety +3

      I'm a singer songwriter ...I got the musical talent from my mother who sings like an angel ...but alas I inherited my Irish father's deep voice ...and even tho when I sing it sounds like someone's emptied gravel into my throat I still would never use auto tune ...

    • @kellydalstok8900
      @kellydalstok8900 Před 9 měsíci

      @@brendancronin3796like Ronny Drew? Even with that voice he was a pleasure to listen to.

  • @T.D.61
    @T.D.61 Před měsícem

    Love this channel!

  • @kerrythomas6220
    @kerrythomas6220 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I was actually watching this program when this happened. You could tell immediately the difference in his voice because Michael sounded so much better, especially his vibrato. At least now I know why! I didn’t know anything about live autotune at that time. Thanks Fil, you have the best channel on the internet.

  • @deltab9768
    @deltab9768 Před 2 lety +31

    If you’re singing opera, or soul styled pop, or certain hard rock styles or… anything else that takes a technical voice, or you’re in a singing competition, then you want people to hear how good you actually are, and not think you’re cheating. So don’t use this effect.
    If you’re singing punk, folk, or rap adjacent stuff, you’ll want to sound “real” and maybe lo-fi but tremendous pitch accuracy might not be as important? Again don’t use this effect.
    The only time it’s really going to add to things is if you’re just trying to sound robotic, or are correcting one or two “off notes” so you don’t need another take. But even then, if someone notices it will make them doubt you’re a good singer.

    • @ShanRees
      @ShanRees Před 2 lety +4

      As an effect it can add something. Cher used it for effect in "Believe." I seem to remember that it was revolutionary then.

    • @Auriflamme
      @Auriflamme Před 2 lety +5

      @@ShanRees The problem is though, the effect in that song was horrifying. It was totally new to the general audience, but it was more of a weird novelty than something which was greatly appreciated. Later on it just got out of control in Pop music to 'fix' poor performances, and now it seems just to have become the lazy default option.

    • @ShanRees
      @ShanRees Před 2 lety +2

      @@Auriflamme absolutely. It sounded like a joke . I preferred the Cher from long ago - lots of emotion and a straight up natural voice.

  • @djjazzyjeff1232
    @djjazzyjeff1232 Před 2 lety +16

    14:00 it's interesting that you mention that because that's a classical training thing. I had a music theory teacher one time that in so many words told us, when you're gonna be going from a 7 to the octave, you almost WANT that 7 to be a bit sharp, because it just begs for the listener to yearn for it to resolve up that last half-step (or more like 1/3 step if you do that). It creates a really nice tension that begs for the resolution, it wouldn't be surprising to me if Michael is doing that subconsciously because he may have learned the same thing once upon a time.

  • @heartpath1
    @heartpath1 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I did a session with Michael Bublé a couple years ago and he’s actually a good singer in the sense that he sings on pitch with good phrasing and musicality. This processed sound is a creative choice and live it’s probably about consistency and not getting clowned on social media in case of an off night. Sad state of affairs our modern musical world. 😢

  • @bigp3980
    @bigp3980 Před 2 lety +7

    Morten Harket is still a very good vocalist in his 60s, you do hear the imperfections and refrains from notes he hit in his younger days but is still doing it.

    • @quasarsphere
      @quasarsphere Před 8 měsíci

      Imperfections are WAY more musically interesting.

    • @diamondlenasan
      @diamondlenasan Před 13 dny

      Think about Steve Winwood. He's been singing for how many years? He still sounds great and nearly the same as he did when he was young. There's an unusual voice that didn't need a thing. today they take away all the personality of a voice and make it marketable instead. heck. this tech could make me a singer and that would be a miracle

  • @jillcrowe2626
    @jillcrowe2626 Před 2 lety +15

    Thank you for exposing the use of autotune at the concert level. If I were an artist, I'd be pretty angry that a technician was manipulating my voice during a live performance. Another reason for loving opera.

  • @spinelldete
    @spinelldete Před 2 lety +136

    Bublé's voice has been processed all the time and probably this will never stop. The main problem is that 99.9% of the audience does not realize that their money spent on concert tickets goes into ProTools playbacks and live autotune. They just don't care. I care for my Sinatra vinyls, that's for sure ...

    • @rolfedrengen
      @rolfedrengen Před 2 lety +1

      But the guys and gals (surely guys, I've learned he do very well in the gay-segment, and that's fine with me, whatever makes your boat float) will enjoy the concert and think their money is well spend. That's just how showbizz works :-)

    • @danmeadowcroft2009
      @danmeadowcroft2009 Před 2 lety +2

      Sinatra knew how to sing that’s for sure! Today most of what you hear is all fake

    • @timetowakeup6302
      @timetowakeup6302 Před 2 lety +9

      Sinatra was great, especially in his earlier days. If you're not familiar with Bobby Darin, I highly recommend you look into his catalog. He was an incredible talent as well.

    • @keetonplace
      @keetonplace Před 2 lety +4

      @@timetowakeup6302 LOVE Bobby Darin! Much more than Sinatra. He has some soul and passion. Sinatra does not.

    • @timetowakeup6302
      @timetowakeup6302 Před 2 lety +2

      @@keetonplace
      👍

  • @malloryhead
    @malloryhead Před 6 dny

    Seen this dude 10 times over the last nearly 20 years. Always sings live in concert and no auto tune . 10000 percent sure. Used to do a bit at the end with no mic and his voice is insanely powerful. Seen him perform sick once as well and it was obvious (he told everyone he was too and how they had to shoot him up with vitamins abs steroids)and still did well but knew to shy away from certain parts because he couldn’t obviously do it. He’s seriously one of the best shows I’ve been to. One of those true performers who will always sing live and doesn’t need a big screen behind him or dancers to keep it entertaining.

  • @ClaireRenee11
    @ClaireRenee11 Před rokem +2

    I would be so happy if you could do a video on anything Hozier does. I think he is spectacularly talented. I want to believe that there is no auto tune, but I am not able to hear it the way you are. I love your videos, thank you so much!

  • @Yardbirds777
    @Yardbirds777 Před 2 lety +48

    Just found on CZcams a 1965 live version of Sinatra singing 'I've Got the World on a String'. Fantastic live version. Frank at his best. He had no autotune....didn't exist. Why do they need it now?

    • @johncooksey79
      @johncooksey79 Před 2 lety +7

      I wish Frankie was alive today, he would be giving Michael a stern talking to. Hed be telling him to "cut that crap out!"

    • @dopiaza2006
      @dopiaza2006 Před 2 lety +21

      Because nowadays 'singers' are chosen initally on looks, then voice some time later down the line.

    • @mikew9788
      @mikew9788 Před 2 lety +3

      @@dopiaza2006 bingo!!!

    • @andreamacgillivray8380
      @andreamacgillivray8380 Před 2 lety +2

      To make them sound better when they cannot sing in the first place.

  • @dawnchute7449
    @dawnchute7449 Před 2 lety +16

    One of my musicians said to me one day,”a good sound person can make a bad band ok, and a good band awesome. A bad sound person can make an amazing artist awful.” There was more but in this case they killed it in a bad way! Great analysis!! I personally never used it live…

  • @voicemagic
    @voicemagic Před 8 měsíci +1

    Brilliant video, thank you!

  • @rayericphillips3916
    @rayericphillips3916 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Fascinating. Having studied this as part of my BSc. Music Technology this video is very interesting. 99% of his audience none wouldn't have noticed only us !

  • @drewpall2598
    @drewpall2598 Před 2 lety +9

    When it comes to music, you're a dedicated teacher of natural! 👍

  • @debravirden7130
    @debravirden7130 Před 2 lety +7

    I recently heard a DJ refer to Buble as a modern Sinatra, well now, if he uses auto tune, that distinction is no longer applicable. Sad.

  • @timfairfield407
    @timfairfield407 Před měsícem

    My god you created a new form of entertainment here. I really enjoy these videos.

  • @jeffterrell3325
    @jeffterrell3325 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Well done! Very clear explanation. I agree that autotune used haphazardly can falsify a performance. The only case I can think for using it is when, during a show, a singer cannot hear their monitor for some reason. An on-the-ball sound tech could save the day if autotune was available. (Or it may be time for a long guitar solo while the monitor gets fixed).

  • @tammyburke9453
    @tammyburke9453 Před 2 lety +20

    Seriously I can't believe this is free. 🙏 so Grateful. Your analysis, education, clips. Love your passion ❤
    Bang. Dead on the line. Love your appreciation of natural voices and the Understanding. So many thanks 😊
    Deputy Dog 🐕 ❤

  • @paul756uk2
    @paul756uk2 Před 2 lety +56

    Interesting that you did this video as I remember Bublé doing a live performance here in the UK and I thought it sounded absolutely dreadful and exactly for the reason you stated. Ie not so much correcting the pitch but how much his voice sounded synthesised. He might as well have been singing through a vocoder.

  • @Josell1028
    @Josell1028 Před 4 měsíci

    Fantastic video!

  • @spankduncan1114
    @spankduncan1114 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I don’t tell people I have auto tune capabilities. When I hear "pitchiness" to the point it bothers me I play it back and asked the artist what they think. I'd rather punch in and fix it up front. Occasionally while mixing we'll catch something we missed in playback and tune a note here and there. If someone is consistently out of tune they need to look for other activities. If auto tune is called for in a live performance that person shouldn't be on stage. Singing should be left to those that can.

  • @MrMom950
    @MrMom950 Před 2 lety +8

    And I think your point at the end is spot on. The more times you point out these insanely talented singers being auto tuned…. With or without their approval…. The more likely it is that they will actively make sure it doesn’t happen any more.. and that’s better for us all….

  • @davereynolds1966
    @davereynolds1966 Před 2 lety +19

    Autotuning an entire song or performance is cheating in my opinion. If you can't sing in tune, then either do more practice, or don't sing! It's like singers who were miming while they danced. If you can't sing and dance, then don't dance while you sing! Why they want to autotune great singers is beyond me!
    And to finish. Can I just say how much I enjoy your videos, Fil. Your explanations are always clear and easy to understand. Thanks for all your efforts.🙂

  • @Palvader
    @Palvader Před 4 dny

    These examples are great lessons for the audio engineers mixing FOH or broadcast!
    A. Always play with the adjustment settings before the show.
    B. Have a kill switch on an easy-to-reach soft key.
    C. Consider not using pitch correction; the artist may not need it!

  • @twinstickpete
    @twinstickpete Před 8 měsíci

    Awesome video as always!!!!

  • @TomHendricksMusea
    @TomHendricksMusea Před 2 lety +26

    Glad you are exposing this! I've been singing 60 years and I think that that experience helps, not hurts , even if I can't hit the same high notes every time. Some how the experienced singer sounds more passionate and authentic.
    What scares me is that auto tune will probably improve to the point where first day singers will sound great! Yikes! Both musicians and listeners need to say no to auto tune like they say no to drugs in sports.

    • @danieldaniels7571
      @danieldaniels7571 Před 2 lety +4

      As long as musicians don’t also have to say no to drugs

    • @kelainefes
      @kelainefes Před 2 lety +1

      People say no to drugs in sports but those drugs have been used and are still used to win medals and achieve world records.
      If Autotune technology actually gets so good that we won't be able to tell, nobody will complain because there will be no downside to using it like there is now.

  • @stuffa01
    @stuffa01 Před 2 lety +12

    Strange, when I saw Michael Live, at the end of his concert after the lights came on he stepped away from the mic and belted out a song a-cappella to the whole arena. It was amazing!!

    • @wingsofpegasus
      @wingsofpegasus  Před 2 lety +20

      Yes he can sing! That's why this is so needless!

    • @garytorresani8846
      @garytorresani8846 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Same with Tony Bennett who would also drop the mike and could be heard loudly without it. Now, there was an amazing singer. When you heard Tony, Sinatra, Aretha, Sammy, Ella, Darin, Mel, Dean, Lennon, Paul, etc you didn’t have to guess who you were listening to. They all had distinctive, recognizable voices. In another words, these people knew how to sing.

  • @mcribs7811
    @mcribs7811 Před 8 měsíci

    Curious as to when this MSG performance was. I was at his February 2019 show and don’t know if he’s been back since.

  • @kadiummusic
    @kadiummusic Před 3 dny

    The greatest entertainer ever, Elvis, often struggled with tuning in the lower registers when performing live, but that didn't matter in the slightest. What you were hearing was pure magic straight from the heart of the greatest. 😎