I've paid £300 to see the Eagles, the internet says they may be miming, let's look at the evidence

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  • čas přidán 18. 04. 2024
  • I've got tickets to see the Eagles in Manchester in June. The ticket has cost me nearly £300 and now there are multiple videos on the internet with evidence that Don Henley may be miming entire songs. Also evidence that Joe Walsh may be miming parts of his songs.
    I nearly had my channel deleted from Copyright Strikes because of the Eagles, despite that I still want to see them live....but do I want to watch them miming? Should I get a refund?
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  • @ozzyprogdomino8815
    @ozzyprogdomino8815 Před 22 dny +56

    I saw Genesis in their last tour, Phil Collins knew that his voice was not as good, but instead of having taped vocals to help, they hired backing vocals who sounded like Phil to fill in with the bits he was struggling with. It sounded very good, and I did not feel short changed.

    • @trapkat8213
      @trapkat8213 Před 17 dny +7

      I can't really imagine Phil Collins miming. He is old school and he would rather do a bad show than a fake show.

    • @johnsaunders6510
      @johnsaunders6510 Před 3 dny

      I saw that tour as well. It was very well done with the backing singers.

  • @rjlchristie
    @rjlchristie Před 25 dny +138

    300 quid. Sue him, given a chance he'd sue you for the same thing, he's the most litigious musician in history.

    • @YtuserSumone-rl6sw
      @YtuserSumone-rl6sw Před 22 dny +14

      It is supposed to be labeled as a mime show, not a concert.

    • @SyrusEtube
      @SyrusEtube Před 20 dny +4

      Agreed!

    • @candelise
      @candelise Před 20 dny +1

      It will be interesting to see or hear the reaction to the band when they play(or mime)in the UK this year.

    • @candelise
      @candelise Před 20 dny +4

      Surely the question is how many other musicians are doing this and how long has this been happening?

    • @danielcharles4451
      @danielcharles4451 Před 18 dny

      💯 %!

  • @lorichaslot7601
    @lorichaslot7601 Před 29 dny +162

    Fil goes above and beyond and is honest and trustworthy. His analysis of Don Henley was spot on.

  • @gusdogbrownlab435
    @gusdogbrownlab435 Před 23 dny +113

    I once went to see Milli Vanilli. Extremely disappointed that they sang live

    • @elvis9990
      @elvis9990 Před 23 dny +6

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @markkeohane9850
      @markkeohane9850 Před 22 dny +5

      Nice one 👍

    • @atreb56
      @atreb56 Před 22 dny +2

      Great.😀

    • @onomatopoeidia
      @onomatopoeidia Před 21 dnem

      Bahaha 🤣 it’s ironically become since decades. I got told off in 2002 for handing a singer a mic that was turned on and they went out on stage and sounded like a tone deaf munchkin. I thought I was doing the right job as an engineer! Apparently not.

    • @lilly5157
      @lilly5157 Před 21 dnem +2

      😂😅

  • @PhilWare1
    @PhilWare1 Před 29 dny +61

    Phil Collins/Genesis have been dropping keys for years. Absolutely isn't a problem, and just shows what a genuine artist has to go through to adjust a voice as you get older.

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před 28 dny +7

      Agreed!

    • @onomatopoeidia
      @onomatopoeidia Před 21 dnem +11

      Meanwhile McCartney is keeping it real and copping shit for it. A true hero aging gracefully.

    • @koleberdinoch926
      @koleberdinoch926 Před 18 dny +1

      ​@@onomatopoeidiaMcCartney drops the key considerably. It's really obvious, I'm surprised you haven't noticed. And he's really sounding his age now. His voice is very shaky and unsteady.

    • @lloydmoss217
      @lloydmoss217 Před 18 dny

      They have to sing in a lower pitch because no one on the payroll tells them to do vocal exercises before the show.

    • @toucantango1
      @toucantango1 Před 12 dny

      The Stones do Satisfaction in D, not E as originally done.

  • @zephyrbear
    @zephyrbear Před měsícem +152

    I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd paid £300 to go and see any band "live" and end up seeing something that's been mimed!

    • @onesong2001
      @onesong2001 Před 28 dny +10

      I'd be pissed off if I went to a free "live" band and they lip-synced.

    • @DavidHamm-fb7nx
      @DavidHamm-fb7nx Před 28 dny +14

      I’d be pretty pissed off if I’d paid £300 to see any band full stop.

    • @onesong2001
      @onesong2001 Před 27 dny +2

      @@DavidHamm-fb7nx I honestly can't think of anyone I would pay to listen to them play.

    • @KeithSpinneyMusic
      @KeithSpinneyMusic Před 26 dny +3

      Happens more than you know.

    • @KeithSpinneyMusic
      @KeithSpinneyMusic Před 26 dny +2

      @@DavidHamm-fb7nx Right!

  • @petesmith6434
    @petesmith6434 Před měsícem +157

    I am a 70 year-old professional musician and vocalist. As I aged I lost about half an octave of easily obtainable vocal range…which is a lot. This required dropping the key of songs and reaching high notes using falsetto. Today, I do not have the ability to sing many songs with the quality necessary to produce a quality performance…so I have had to change my repertoire and move to songs I can sing properly. My point is, I always suspect vocalists of using tracks when they are over 70 and appear to be performing songs in the original key sounding like they did 40 years ago. Some may be able to still pull it off but I sure can’t and most of the other professional vocalists my age I know personally can’t either

    • @thriftwithjoy
      @thriftwithjoy Před měsícem +17

      Good on you for keeping it honest.

    • @bettyparker3317
      @bettyparker3317 Před měsícem +20

      Respect. I see a lot of older singers who do just this. I’ve never heard any complaints, everybody s happy to see and hear them. You and they are being real. That’s great!
      This total lip-synch act from a band known for vocals is outrageous. It’s so misleading. Henley fired people years ago who didn’t sound “like the record.” Now he’s doing this.

    • @KenTeel
      @KenTeel Před měsícem +6

      Thanks for your words, they're interesting. I'm curious about this subject, because I play only my own original songs, at my gigs. I generally function in the background, so no one is paying particular attention. As long as my music is pleasant, it adds to the environment and no one really cares what I'm playing (and I craft it carefully, so as to not have too much repetition, interesting key changes, and to be harmonically interesting.) When I sing, I use falsetto on the high notes, specifically to take the strain off of my voice (I commonly do gigs that are 3 or 4 hours in length.) I use my regular voice below the high notes. As an old guy, I believe that the use of falsetto is the only reason that I can sing my songs in their orginal keys. Singers that have popularized the sound of falsetto include Neil Young, Frankie Valli, and Barry Gibb. The problem with singing falsetto, for a lot of rock singers is that the style of the songs, often times, don't lend themselves well, to softer singing. Falsetto is inherintly a softer sound of vocal. Taking a high power rock tune, and singing the vocal part in a falsetto voice, might make the song lose a lot of its mojo. What is a rock star to do, if he can't deliver a song, and use falsetto to help with the high parts. What is he to do if loweing the key didn't work, and the audeince just won't accept a softer falsetto voice........ well, there always miming. Now, I'm going to propose something here that isn't common: It's the audience's fault. What you say ? !! The audience is paying to see something that is unrealistic. What if I told a 70 year old, that he has to squeeze into his swimsuit that he wore when he was 20. That would be unrealistic. He is not 20. His body has changed dimensions. The same thing applies to a voice, lots of times. Audiences asking a 75 year old to squeeze into his 20 year old voice, is unrealistic, just as it would be with a swim suit. To the audiences, I say: Get real. If your performer has aged 50 years, like his swimsuit, he's not going to fit into his vocals the same as it used to be, either. So, you either accept the fact that your hero isn't going to sound the same, or you accept that he's miming, or you don't go to shows expecting something that can't be delivered. At least McCartney goes out on the road and sounds crappy, some of the time, but it's really him. He's not miming. I'd say to the audience: Get real. This isn't 1974. Your heroes are not going to sound like 1974. Either accept their limitations, accept them miming, or don't go to the shows. It's that simple.

    • @petesmith6434
      @petesmith6434 Před měsícem +5

      @@KenTeel Vocalists, like surgeons, must realize that they eventually lose their ability to perform like they once did because their vocal cords, like the surgeon’s fingers, have aged to the point where they no longer function well enough. At that point, the vocalist has to make a choice to retire, keep going but perform at a lower level if his/her fans allow it, change his/her repertoire to one not as challenging that he/she is capable of singing well, or, fake the performance and realize that he/she has become an actor, not a vocalist. I think many of us know a vocalist that continued to attempt performing songs that they no longer can perform well…I have always found that pitiful and cringe for the performer as he/she tries to hit the “high notes” and fails in front of their audience. For superstars, like McCartney, their super loyal fans will accept a diminished performance; that is why he is still performing at large venues even though his voice is nothing like it once was. So, superstars with huge loyal fan bases often choose to keep going until even their most loyal fans stop accepting a bad performance (that is sad…they could have gone out while still at the top instead of a has been). Then there are once high-end performers who once had lots of fans but not to the level of someone like McCartney. These are the performers that must put on a performance similar to their performances when they were in their prime (think come-back tours). These performers are the ones most likely to resort to miming. Then there are the rest of us who were never a big name act who spent a lifetime performing with various bands live and serving as background session recording singers. We really have no choice but to change our repertoire and retire when changing our repertoire is no longer enough. I always admired Les Paul. As he aged he lost more and more of his dexterity and guitar playing became less and less proficient. He faced that fact by starting to being more guest guitarists on stage with him to assist in putting on a great show. He never tried to hide the fact that his own abilities were diminishing, he made the audience aware that his fingers were failing him. The audience loved him for it and he always put in a great show right up to the week he died at near 100 years old! I am rapidly losing my singing voice and my fingers are getting worse by the day, soon I will just perform for my grand kids and great grand kids and leave the gigging and studio work to the younger, more capable performers. I wish you the best and hope you have many more years of quality performing ahead of you. Have a great day!

    • @petesmith6434
      @petesmith6434 Před měsícem +1

      @@thepepperlanders You are so fortunate to still have your entire vocal range. As you know, most singers start losing range in their sixties and by the 70s have not only lost range, but some timber as well as control. The old instrument, the vocal cords, starts to show wear, but it’s also caused by wear on the diaphragm and lungs as well. I hope you are one of those vocalists that keep going well into your 80s. Have a great day, and happy music making!

  • @ijmanchester
    @ijmanchester Před měsícem +150

    I think it's unacceptable for any artist to lip-sync...it's cheating, simple!

    • @clannad99germany70
      @clannad99germany70 Před měsícem +10

      To me this is close to fraud. But It is clear, at that age singing like with 40 years being, is nearly impossible.

    • @mikekaraoke
      @mikekaraoke Před měsícem +1

      @@clannad99germany70 Not close to fraud if you played them instruments you have in music video/and you while recording + its your voice!

    • @clannad99germany70
      @clannad99germany70 Před měsícem +8

      @@mikekaraoke Music videos is something different than live performances IMHO !

    • @onesong2001
      @onesong2001 Před 25 dny +3

      @@clannad99germany70 The purpose of music videos is to serve as a commercial. That's why TV shows that show music videos don't pay the artists. They're broadcasting their commercials free of charge.

    • @rodrigofonseca6241
      @rodrigofonseca6241 Před 13 dny +1

      ​@@clannad99germany70then sing as an 80 years old, you're going to be praised, morally and financially, anyway. But sing or try to!

  • @boco1951
    @boco1951 Před měsícem +107

    Because the price is so high and crowded I don’t go to big shows anymore! I like being able to go to a club and hear a band and see the players play. I don’t like fake stuff!

    • @Andy-lm2zp
      @Andy-lm2zp Před měsícem +4

      Yep, go to up and coming bands

    • @kenjude1
      @kenjude1 Před měsícem

      Yup. You get a lot of nights at the Green Note for the price of stadium ticket.

    • @seaturtledog
      @seaturtledog Před 23 dny +3

      Some bands that were pretty big back in the day were still touring in the 90s at small venues. I saw Rick Deringer, Guess Who, Firefall, April Wine, Stephen Stills, in small 300 seat clubs. Foreigner, Kansas and Blue Oster cult in 500 seat venues. These are the best shows.

    • @bsastarfire250
      @bsastarfire250 Před 8 dny

      Go see Arthur Brown ,awesome at over 80 !!!

  • @gumbycat5226
    @gumbycat5226 Před 28 dny +85

    I would demand a refund. Fil’s analysis is devastating for the Eagles’ integrity. They are stealing money from their fans under false pretences.

    • @TTM9691
      @TTM9691 Před 22 dny +5

      "Their fans?" Half of the people in that arena probably stole money from The Eagles by downloading or streaming their music, you think they care about their "fans"? EAGLES FANS? Oh this is even funnier: "Eagles' intergrity"!!! When did the Eagles EVER have any integrity? What fans? A bunch of geriatrics and their kids? If you pay for Geriatric Rock, you get what you deserve. £300? What jackass pays £30 much less £300 to see an 80 year old rock star?

    • @ggj666
      @ggj666 Před 22 dny +12

      @@TTM9691 I Take you won't be going then :o)

    • @TTM9691
      @TTM9691 Před 22 dny +1

      @@ggj666 Not unless someone pays ME!🤣

    • @rodrigofonseca6241
      @rodrigofonseca6241 Před 13 dny

      amerikans love to be fooled, they pay for it gladly. 😊😊

    • @snowfiresunwind
      @snowfiresunwind Před 13 dny

      ​@@TTM9691Spot on!

  • @jeffrichards9431
    @jeffrichards9431 Před 25 dny +34

    Saw them in 1978 ….for $12 …they were great. I wouldn’t pay $1 to see them now.

    • @francoisbouvier7861
      @francoisbouvier7861 Před 19 dny

      Say them in that same era. MacManon Stadium in Calgary. Jesse Winchester opened. Seems to me the tickets were $18. What a show. Don't think there was any miming.

    • @user-wm1js2no9x
      @user-wm1js2no9x Před 18 dny +2

      I paid $10.00 to see LED ZEPPELIN in1977 It wasn't that great of a show& that was alot of money for a single band, It was their Herron days

    • @jeffrichards9431
      @jeffrichards9431 Před 18 dny +2

      When I saw them it was actually‘77…my bad. Jimmy Buffet was the opening act. The encore was Buffet & Eagles joining Walsh in an awesome version of Rocky Mountain Way… Oklahoma City Ok

    • @BobbyL-jm1hq
      @BobbyL-jm1hq Před 5 dny

      I agree, when they fired Don Felder, I lost all interest in them.They suck now.

  • @TheHoughdaddy
    @TheHoughdaddy Před měsícem +42

    My mom paid 800 bucks for tickets in Tulsa. Video recording wasn't allowed, event staff were extremely rude and bullied people just for having phones out, getting up to use the restroom or get a drink, threatened to throw out a woman next to us for recording but she didn't have her phone out, people in front of our row mates standing up and dancing when no one else behind them was and cussing out anyone who protested because they were being blocked and elbowed. Joe Walsh was the best part of that show. I've sworn off stadium concerts for good.

    • @TTM9691
      @TTM9691 Před 22 dny

      $800? Your mom is a moron. It's 2024. 800 bucks for Geriatric Rock? What the f**k did she expect?

    • @tallthinkev
      @tallthinkev Před 22 dny

      'Spy gasses'!

  • @ericboehmer147
    @ericboehmer147 Před měsícem +58

    Love the tune at the end! Rick Beato would definitely get a kick out of that one. He's got the same issues with Don as well.

    • @thehighend4545
      @thehighend4545 Před 23 dny +1

      And now, the whole world hates him. Good. Hope he's happy he ruined The Eagles Music. Can't stand it now, turn it off the second it comes on. Have for years. If I want to hear children whining, I have a few already

  • @mervynsullivan
    @mervynsullivan Před měsícem +66

    The Eagles I love are the Eagles of 1977 with the great Don Felder who wrote Hotel California.

    • @backrowbrighton
      @backrowbrighton Před 27 dny +3

      Me too, the band virtually ceased to exist after that.

    • @forrestprice3583
      @forrestprice3583 Před 25 dny +1

      Great music he wrote

    • @michaelkorsten1066
      @michaelkorsten1066 Před 23 dny +1

      Incorrect, Ian Anderson wrote it.

    • @tracycagliero129
      @tracycagliero129 Před 23 dny +2

      Don Felder shares writing credit on the song with another bandmate, he didn’t write the song by himself. Don Felder is an incredibly talented guitarist, one the best and I admire his personal integrity. There are/were other Eagles members that don’t have the same integrity and focus on money instead of honest artistic representation.

    • @jackwezesa1081
      @jackwezesa1081 Před 23 dny +1

      Saw them in 76 with Fleetwood Mac and Boz Scaggs opening!

  • @atreb56
    @atreb56 Před měsícem +44

    Love Wings of Pegasus. Glad you like Fil's channel. Thanks for your posts.

  • @kevinpeter816
    @kevinpeter816 Před 29 dny +46

    I recently saw Don Felder at a 5 to 700 person venue. I stood 10 feet from him while he played his guitars and saying the Eagles songs. It was truly outstanding. His band mates were beyond reproach. Soooooo good.

    • @bjmcmahon722
      @bjmcmahon722 Před 25 dny +2

      Good move....wish we attended w/you! #DonFelder

    • @pauline7425
      @pauline7425 Před 25 dny +2

      I saw Don Felder several years. He was one of several people who were performing and he just stood out. Effortless and amazing performance.

    • @johnnydev9318
      @johnnydev9318 Před 23 dny +1

      @pauline7425
      👍👍👍
      I bet you got your money's worth ...
      ( That's if you paid anything at all, that is)
      Good luck to you - I'll confess to being full-blown jealous...

    • @vanleeregan4644
      @vanleeregan4644 Před 23 dny +1

      He was lip syncing the entire concert.

    • @swampthing9772
      @swampthing9772 Před 23 dny +1

      Don Felder is somewhere laughing his ass off.

  • @michaelhoffman176
    @michaelhoffman176 Před měsícem +112

    Don Henley has 65 full-time employees that do nothing but scour the internet looking for "copyright infractions."

    • @tod3msn
      @tod3msn Před měsícem +8

      Me and my Uncle Elmer are two of them! Now stop singing "All She Wants to do is Dance!"

    • @KenTeel
      @KenTeel Před měsícem +13

      @@tod3msn Eh... ah... he doesn't make glue, on the side, does he ? Kidding aside. I agree with you. Stop playing Henley's songs. They were mediocre enough when he sang them, you don't need to double that. Write your own tunes. Play your own tunes. With some practice you can get pretty good at it. With practice you can write songs that are as good as Don's. I know that you don't believe that, but it's true. I've done it. I've played tons of gigs with my own songs. People dig 'em. Writing is not rocket science. It's a craft. You can learn how to do it, just by doing it. It's just a matter of practice. Just like any other craft. Allow yourself to be creative. Don't be hard on yourself as you learn (you'll spoil your motivation, that way.) Expect errors. Expect an evolution, and most of all: Keep on learning about the craft. Don't be afraid to be original.

    • @clarencehoover6748
      @clarencehoover6748 Před měsícem +12

      So that’s where the £300 per concert ticket goes?

    • @Markothunder
      @Markothunder Před měsícem +8

      That’s why I don’t do Eagles videos here on CZcams. They’ll be forgotten in the online world

    • @markmiller6402
      @markmiller6402 Před měsícem

      I think you have mate, it’s probably more common than we know. Don’t blame yourself

  • @davetighe
    @davetighe Před měsícem +50

    Had been a lifelong fan of the Eagles and have seen them 3 times. After reading Don Felder's Heaven and Hell, I stopped buying their albums and no longer buy over priced tickets for their concerts.

    • @sallyatticum
      @sallyatticum Před 24 dny +2

      Why? What did it say?

    • @DRourk
      @DRourk Před 24 dny +1

      Also asking why, so I get a notification if there's a response.
      Quite curious.

    • @johnnydev9318
      @johnnydev9318 Před 23 dny

      Dave, you're a very wise person
      ...

    • @findinggspots6441
      @findinggspots6441 Před 20 dny +4

      ​@@DRourkI've read it to, great book. Henley comes off as a huge jerk, Glenn Frey was only marginally better. Let's put it this way, they only cared about money, and treated Bernie Leadon and Randy Meisner badly. Felder was also shafted. Hee had to sign a NDA so he can't talk about the settlement he got from the Eagles, but I reckon he was paid off millions, after all, he wrote most of the music for Hotel California!

  • @Dedstik
    @Dedstik Před měsícem +37

    I believe that all artists should disclose if they are using pre-recorded vocal / instrumental tracks. Regardless of ticket prices the audience deserves to know what they’ll be hearing!

    • @ajo3085
      @ajo3085 Před 25 dny +3

      Gene Simmons was very outspoken on this topic and said the same as you a number of times.... right up until his bandmate Paul Stanley starting miming for their farewell tour. 🤣

  • @bscheirman
    @bscheirman Před měsícem +38

    It’ll be worth it to tell Don face to face that his copyright striking behavior is terrible 😂

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před měsícem +7

      If only!

    • @bigissue9179
      @bigissue9179 Před 23 dny +6

      @@iamtjwalker MAKE UP A SIGN PUSH TO THE FRONT ARE YOU MIMING DON

  • @frannyp46
    @frannyp46 Před 29 dny +9

    Bowie was aware his voice couldn’t hit certain highs on song, so he would rearrange the whole song into something different and still sound great.

    • @johnwoods2736
      @johnwoods2736 Před 27 dny +3

      I noticed this too with his live performances. Many praise Freddie Mercury, but Freddie was all too aware of his limitations and at times couldn't hit the high notes, and like Bowie, would rearrange the song into something different and still sound great.

    • @annmarie3573
      @annmarie3573 Před 23 dny +1

      I saw Jackson Browne a couple of years ago in concert, and it was similar with him. He's lowered the keys of some songs and definitely sounds different singing then, but I really enjoyed it! I almost liked it better, the texture and expression of age is nothing to be ashamed of! It can be an asset!

  • @johnsilver8059
    @johnsilver8059 Před 29 dny +34

    If you paid to see the Eagles after 1981, you wasted your money.

    • @tadhgcronin175
      @tadhgcronin175 Před 24 dny +4

      This is true.

    • @johnnydev9318
      @johnnydev9318 Před 23 dny +1

      This is true, IMO.
      20 years ago in '04 I paid about 130 Australian dollars (AUD) to get the very cheapest seats to an outdoor nighttime Eagles concert
      That would be around AUD215 now, or US$140, or GB£115.
      There's no way you'd catch me doing that again...

    • @DaddyWarbucksunlimited
      @DaddyWarbucksunlimited Před 22 dny

      True all the way

    • @22pcirish
      @22pcirish Před 22 dny +3

      Just buy the DVD! Cheaper and you get a much better view!

  • @benjaminhawthorne1969
    @benjaminhawthorne1969 Před měsícem +23

    I believe that Fil, of "Wings of Pegasus" would appreciate you and other "Johnny Come Latelys" (to quote Eagle Glen Frey 😅) giving him the credit that he deserves for not only discovering Don's lip synching. but also PROVING it with his analysis software.

    • @bigboxerable
      @bigboxerable Před 20 dny +2

      Eh? He does. He says the bloke’s name, he says the channel’s name, and he says it’s very good.

    • @flyingfluffyhockey
      @flyingfluffyhockey Před 5 dny +1

      @@bigboxerable yeah and that comment has 23 likes, so 24 people that somehow took from this video that he did not credit Fil? How? He goes out of his way to do just that...

    • @bigboxerable
      @bigboxerable Před 5 dny

      @@flyingfluffyhockey I know! Weird.

  • @Anth369
    @Anth369 Před 22 dny +5

    They gave you a copyright strike for re-creating one of their guitar solos, so people could actually learn their songs... and then pay them royalities for using them live? How idiotic!!!!

  • @sallyatticum
    @sallyatticum Před 24 dny +11

    I am glad I got to see them play for 6 hours for only $12 at Miami Stadium back in 1977. It was one of my favorite concerts ever. We drove 2 1/2 hours to see them.

    • @Inglese001
      @Inglese001 Před 23 dny +2

      You saw them at their peak.

    • @robzagar4275
      @robzagar4275 Před 23 dny

      They had sound problems years ago in Des Moines. They were booed off the stage. The crowd hadn’t putting up with anything but hard rock n roll. Taj Mahal played that nite too I recall. Way too expensive these days..

    • @TTM9691
      @TTM9691 Před 22 dny

      Yeah, of course, THAT'S when you go see The Eagles. In 1977. Not in 2024! What the hell do these idiots expect? Anyone who pays more than £30 much less £300 to see ANY Geriatric Rock is an imbecile for whom I have absolutely no sympathy for. I hope The Eagles are laughing all the way to the bank.

    • @bullcrap9409
      @bullcrap9409 Před 7 dny

      Except they didn’t play for 6 hours.

    • @sallyatticum
      @sallyatticum Před 7 dny

      @@bullcrap9409 Yes, they did. They went on at about 6 and were still playing when we left at midnight.

  • @chrisst8922
    @chrisst8922 Před měsícem +19

    Robert Plant did Stairway a month or two ago and couldn't manage it like he used to. But to his credit he did his best with what he had.
    Then there's McCartney, does it in the same key and it sounds a bit strained. So it stands to reason that those who sound perfect must be having some help.

    • @johnsurrey7426
      @johnsurrey7426 Před 28 dny +1

      I don’t think McCartney mimes, but he has the band to beef up his vocals.

    • @garymck5181
      @garymck5181 Před 26 dny +2

      Unfortunately Paul Rodgers is the exception rather than the rule. That fella is still incredible live.

    • @jimbrewster6483
      @jimbrewster6483 Před 7 dny

      I thought Plant hated Stairway, I'm surprised he'd do it, and I'm not surprised he'd do it without the rest of Zeppelin.

  • @Nik-8it5p
    @Nik-8it5p Před měsícem +10

    Eagles unfortunately like Lynyrd Skynyrd are just tribute bands. Their hayday was the 70s. It's just marketing and greed. When a band just has one original member it's NOT the same band. Ps. Like the song at the end, very tasty playing indeed!

  • @magicskygirl4098
    @magicskygirl4098 Před měsícem +9

    Absolutely love your Eagles song names tune. 😂😂 But, ngl, I am so pissed at all the proof I’ve seen this week on Don miming his vocals. I’m a huge Eagles fan and would never pay for that BS! Hats off to Wings of Pegasus for breaking it down for us. Hope he doesn’t get sued by lawsuit obsessed Don 😉

  • @DunsfoldDave
    @DunsfoldDave Před měsícem +21

    I’m saw them back at in 2015. And I said to my wife the vocals were to good to be true, especially with their advancing years. It didn’t sound live at all to me.

    • @michaelkeudel8770
      @michaelkeudel8770 Před měsícem +4

      So far no tapes from 2015 line up, so far the miming looks like it's been going on since at least 2017.

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před měsícem +2

      The Howard Stern thing was about 2015.....singing live in a dropped key.

    • @craigcavaliere6744
      @craigcavaliere6744 Před měsícem +4

      I saw them in 2005 and was amazed at how much they sounded like the album. Maybe they were doing it then.

    • @dr.emilschaffhausen4683
      @dr.emilschaffhausen4683 Před měsícem +3

      I'll be honest when we saw them in Florida and around 2004 I was skeptical at how good it sounded. I'm a bit of an audio file nerd and have their albums on high resolution formats. Their concerts sounded like a CD. Maybe they were that good then?

    • @mbignell1
      @mbignell1 Před měsícem

      @@michaelkeudel8770 They've been relying on pre-recorded vocals to some degree since the Long Road Out of Eden Tour in 2008. Check out recordings of the track "Waiting in the Weeds" from that era, if you can find any.

  • @anthonybillington6099
    @anthonybillington6099 Před 15 dny +2

    Great video. Loved the outro solo on your eagles 'tribute' - very tasty!

  • @JustVisiting
    @JustVisiting Před 29 dny +8

    I lost all desire to see Eagles after the 2013 documentary. They totally screwed Don Felder.

  • @kitswithkaren5003
    @kitswithkaren5003 Před 29 dny +13

    In my honest opinion it's fraud.If you are telling people it's live and not saying there is mimed material being used it's dishonest.

  • @johnwilkes681
    @johnwilkes681 Před měsícem +17

    The eagles wings were clipped years ago. Just get the audience to sing the high notes and give them a reduction in ticket prices for their efforts.

  • @tomwilson1006
    @tomwilson1006 Před měsícem +13

    Guy I went to high school with is the drummer for the Doobie Brothers, Ed Toth. I’ll ask him to give me the lowdown after the show on Mr. Henley’s miming.

  • @carolinasbeauty
    @carolinasbeauty Před měsícem +13

    Hi TJ - I just wanted to drop you a note. It takes a special kind of person to mention another CZcams channel (and competitor) and share what they have knowledge of. This is my first time watching your channel, but I was interested in what you had to say regarding Fil (Wings of Pegasus). I've been a sub of his channel for years and I happen to think he is very honest and straight-forward with proof he shares to back him up. You're facing a really unique situation. If you really love The Eagles and want to see them in person - "live" - for the experience - GO! You know what they sounded like (pre-1998...after that almost all artists/bands began using pitch control or auto-tune...to some degree, especially in the studio) so take those vocals/memories with you when you go and forget that some (maybe a lot) of the vocals are being mimed!! Enjoy the experience - while you have the chance! I know if I were in your shoes, I'd go. I'm not a huge Eagles fan, but there are some artists/bands that I never saw and regret that I didn't. Keep the concert in mind when you get back home (or listen in the car) and remember what you experienced. Hopefully, 🤞🏻you'll have a great time!

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před měsícem +1

      I think you're right......I wish I'd seen Fil's video after I'd been as I probably wouldn't have noticed 😀 ps: really enjoying his channel now I've found it!

    • @carolinasbeauty
      @carolinasbeauty Před měsícem

      @@iamtjwalker I'm glad you like his channel, JT. He's a straight shooter and will not lead you wrong. I do hope you'll go to the concert, enjoy yourself and "Take it to the Limit!"

  • @johnchance1959
    @johnchance1959 Před měsícem +29

    On a related note, did you see Paul McCartney's embarrassing effort to sing Let It Be at the Jimmy Buffet tribute. It was heartbreaking to watch. Please, loved you guys in the day but please recognize when the time has come to just let it be.

    • @sparkman1952
      @sparkman1952 Před měsícem +24

      It was difficult to watch, but at least he can’t be accused of faking his vocals.

    • @abc456f
      @abc456f Před 29 dny +9

      ​@sparkman1952 I'd rather have him sing it badly than lip synching. Elton John quit touring, it's not the end of the world.

    • @malinwj1167
      @malinwj1167 Před 24 dny +7

      Jesus, the guy is 81 years old. He was asked to perform at a tribute show. The last show he performed was 6 months prior. Who the hell can do anything like they used to, at 81? Vocals are tough at that age. His piano playing was perfect

    • @johnchance1959
      @johnchance1959 Před 24 dny

      @@malinwj1167 I appreciate he may have wished to appear as a tribute to Buffet, but a few sentences may have been a better choice. The eagles also need to stop. Time catches up with us all.

    • @malinwj1167
      @malinwj1167 Před 24 dny +1

      @@johnchance1959 Huh? He was Jimmy's friend and they bonded musically. It was a show of performances. He's not going to show up and not play

  • @HumbleTrader001
    @HumbleTrader001 Před měsícem +12

    Micky Dolenz of the Monkees sings live and sounded great at least until his mid 70s, while Don Henley resorted to lip syncing.

    • @wongnaichungrd
      @wongnaichungrd Před měsícem +2

      Agree I saw Micky and Mike Nesmith in 2019 and Mr Dolenz was in great voice. To be honest he had one of the great voices of the '60s.

    • @terryhall3960
      @terryhall3960 Před 24 dny +1

      Nesmith and Dolenz came out here to Christchurch NZ around 2020, but they performed as "The Mike & Mickey Show" rather than trying to pretend they were The Monkees. It's ironic that a band that was derided for years as fake now has far more musical integrity than a lot of other bigger name artists.

    • @wongnaichungrd
      @wongnaichungrd Před 24 dny

      @@terryhall3960 well said

  • @PedrSion
    @PedrSion Před měsícem +25

    Saw Purple live in 2006. Gillan didn’t attempt the high notes on Child in Time. He still did the song but he did the high note parts in his normal voice.

    • @clannad99germany70
      @clannad99germany70 Před měsícem +2

      See the last Genesis tour, Phil Collins did something, struggeling in every moment, but he mostily failed, impossible to sing as it was before. Realities.

  • @glynwilliams9892
    @glynwilliams9892 Před měsícem +11

    I went to see the Eagles and Steely Dan in February 2024 in New Orleans.
    Great show but whilst watching, my first thought was, how do these old guys manage to sing so well and hit these high notes, especially Joe Walsh who can hardly talk clearly these days let alone sing.
    A few weeks later, a friend sent me a link to Fil's Wings of Pegasus and that convinced me then that they were in fact miming.
    It kind of explained it to me, now it didn't really bother me, I had paid $150 but I was sitting in the gods but it was still a great show and a great experience.
    I had just seen a great band who I grew up with.
    On another note, last year I saw the Beach Boys in Albuquerque, the remaining two members, Mike Love and Bruce Johnston, 81 $ 83 years old respectively, now I knew that they couldn't sing all their old songs and neither do they pretend to, they have backing singers reaching all the high notes, another great show but the ticket price was only $75 which I was happy to pay to see them knowing that they needed assistance in singing.
    As for the £300 you've paid plus the 5 hour drive (two ways), I guess it depends how much you want to see them but I doubt they'll give a refund on the premise that you think that they are miming.
    As said, it is a great show, sadly Henley doesn't even stay on stage for some of the songs, doesn't drum that often and it does seem as though this is a last money making tour for them all, so they really don't care if they are caught out miming.
    Enjoy the evening if you go.

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před 28 dny +2

      Thanks! Shame I won't get to see Steely Dan like you did!

    • @johnwoods2736
      @johnwoods2736 Před 27 dny

      I wouldn't be surprised if Vince Gill is still singing live. He's about 10 years younger than Don, Timothy and Joe.

    • @TTM9691
      @TTM9691 Před 22 dny

      Steely Dan in 2024? Isn't one of them dead? Donald Fagen had to cancel shows because he had to go in to the hospital. What are you possibly expecting? And PS: it wasn't a "great" show. You went and saw two cover bands pretending to be The Eagles and Steely Dan. There are no "great shows" coming out of these people anymore. First off: the audiences suck! Who wants to go to a rock and roll show with a bunch of rich people, fat boomers with their obnoxious kids pretending they're at a real rock concert? I was given tickets to McCartney a few years ago, I was embarrassed.

    • @goodshipharmony
      @goodshipharmony Před 12 dny

      @@johnwoods2736 The last time I saw Eagles was the first tour for Vince Gill. I know for a fact he was singing live because he flubbed the opening line of 'New Kid In Town' so badly that they stopped and restarted the song.

  • @johnsurrey7426
    @johnsurrey7426 Před 29 dny +6

    I heard Dolly at Glasto (I was stuck in traffic!). She sang her songs. Then she improvised one about the people stuck in the mud. Her voice was completely different! I was watching her on the BBC2 60 Songs today, where they showed her doing Nine To Five at Glasto, and several times her mouth didn’t match the words.

  • @cornfilledscreamer614
    @cornfilledscreamer614 Před měsícem +52

    Hell yes. Get your money back as the Eagles are now officially dead. Fil busted their asses wide open, and I hope he causes them to lose millions.
    Don't give ANYBODY money to be fake. Henley's a prick to boot. Let him go broke.

    • @kevinpeter816
      @kevinpeter816 Před 29 dny +11

      I wouldn’t pay a nickel to go see the Eagles now. They’ve made their money, and now it’s just a ruse.

    • @Larrymh07
      @Larrymh07 Před 27 dny +1

      Who or what is Fil? I agree with you.

    • @guitarman704
      @guitarman704 Před 27 dny +6

      @@Larrymh07 Fil, Wings of Pegasus a CZcams chanel that analyses songs and he discovered that the exact same audio appeared in a lot of concerts apparently.

    • @Larrymh07
      @Larrymh07 Před 27 dny +4

      @@guitarman704 Ah, thank you! I've seen it. It's a terrific channel.

  • @tonepilot
    @tonepilot Před měsícem +17

    Ah, you saw the Wings of Pegasus video too? Love their music, can't stand Henley. I wouldn't pay that much for a concert, I'd rather pay to see genuine, live music like what you bring to the venues. Yup, I see you did watch his video lol. Don't get a refund, if it's sold out, sell it for 4 times the price :)

  • @dougshankle7946
    @dougshankle7946 Před 23 dny +5

    I won't go to stadium shows anymore. Coachella? You are out of your mind lol. Club gigs only. Tickets, parking, concessions are just simply ridiculous. There are so many bands that are either lip syncing all together or piping in additional backing tracks to cover up the gaps. Sorry, that is not live music. That's karaoke.

  • @md-ps2hx
    @md-ps2hx Před měsícem +16

    Typically, the front of house engineer will have two channels for the lead vocalist - one that's doing the pre-recorded track, and one that's their actual mic. When they are "singing", they mute the mic and open the track. When they talk in between songs, they unmute the mic and mute the track. The OBVIOUS temptation on a long tour is the fact that it doesn't stop at just miming vocals ... as they know the music so well having played it for years, then they'll ALL be able to mime to a COMPLETE backing track

    • @3rscrafting
      @3rscrafting Před 26 dny +1

      Thank you for your explanation . I have zero musical knowledge of how things work and wondered. I saw the eagles with Jimmy buffet in the hotel California tour. Joe Walsh burned the house down with Rocky Mt way. The encore was desperado. We were 8th row floor. I loved John Denver, and saw him several times. During the middle of one song he broke a guitar string, said whoa, put in the new string, no roadies, tuned the guitar and ... let's try this again. Alabama best concert band ever. Cheers, Patricia

  • @PedrSion
    @PedrSion Před měsícem +15

    Seeing as how We Used to Know by Jethro Tull was plagiarised for Hotel California shouldn’t Ian Anderson be deciding on copyright strikes ?

    • @MikePhillips-pl6ov
      @MikePhillips-pl6ov Před měsícem

      Ian said he didn't mind, thought it was different enough with the different lyrics but yeah, I was shocked when I heard it for the first time recently, how close HC is to it. I played it to a friend who's a big Eagles fan, and he said "blantant rip off of HC!" until I told him the date of the JT song. He was also shocked.
      Ian Anderson said both songs shared a very common chord progression, and didn't think it was worthy of a copyright case/lawsuit.

    • @rogerturner5504
      @rogerturner5504 Před 29 dny

      You people have become a stuck record.

    • @andrewguttry6886
      @andrewguttry6886 Před 27 dny

      Now there's a brilliant songwriter and musician.

    • @jaycareaga9929
      @jaycareaga9929 Před 20 dny

      Seeing as how there hasn’t been an original chord progression in a hundred years it doesn’t matter.

  • @don7294
    @don7294 Před 14 dny +2

    If you paid 300 you won't be sitting anywhere near enough to see the singing. That will take 17,000.

  • @thriftwithjoy
    @thriftwithjoy Před měsícem +29

    I would be interested to see if a refund is even possible. The irony of all this. Didn't Randy Meisner get fired because he couldn't or didn't want to sing the high notes in "Take it to the Limit???" Further irony would be if Henley and his legal team ended up with a class action suit for defrauding thousands of concert goers. P.S. I love your song. Take it to the limit indeed.

    • @TTM9691
      @TTM9691 Před 22 dny

      Your paying to SEE The Eagles, there's no contract other than for them to show up and stand onstage. If someone is that idiotic to pay £300 to see The Eagles, or any Geriatric Rock band, they get what they paid for. He SAW The Eagles. That's what we say right? "I saw the band at the club last night". I'm sure they were playing their guitars, so there you go, they played, they performed. No one got defrauded; you're paying to clap at people who have given you your life's music, not for them to pretend they're still 26 years old. If you're too stupid to know you're not seeing musicians in their prime, whose fault is that?
      As soon as a band starts adding back up singers and extra keyboardists and percussionists and stuff like that - which all these bands have been doing since the 80s - you're already not getting the real article, what alternative reality have you been living in?

    • @MrEveryman9
      @MrEveryman9 Před 19 dny +2

      Re Randy Meisner, my thoughts exactly. Oh the irony!

    • @goodshipharmony
      @goodshipharmony Před 12 dny

      @@TTM9691 you sound very angry, calm down!

    • @TTM9691
      @TTM9691 Před 12 dny

      @@goodshipharmony Angry? No, doofus, I'm pissing my pants with laughter! The complete opposite! You might want to focus on content rather than how people "sound" to you. And PS: Just because you're steeped in mediocrity doesn't mean I have to be. A person who pays money to go see "rockers" in their 70s and 80s, and then expects them to sound like the record, or even do a good show, are the most laughable pathetic half-wits to ever draw breath. Any questions, dopey?

  • @philf4086
    @philf4086 Před měsícem +5

    Great observation about the key change from F to G. Adds to the case!

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před měsícem

      Yeah, it surprised me when I noticed!

  • @simduino
    @simduino Před měsícem +4

    You should definitely switch your attention (and don't do any Eagles-like songs) to somebody who does deserve it: Jon Anderson, incredible voice at 70+ years old and on top of that he shows youngsters (Paul Green Rock Academy) how to appreciate 70's rock and play it to keep it alive. Jon deserves a monument just for that!

  • @lyallg7925
    @lyallg7925 Před 5 dny +1

    Fil is great. I’ve been a subscriber for ages. I can’t speak highly enough of his vids.
    I especially enjoy it when he analyses one of my favourites like Patsy Cline, Bobby Hatfield or Elvis.

  • @michaelmckenna9022
    @michaelmckenna9022 Před měsícem +5

    I love the Eagles music, am a big fan of Joe Walsh, but refuse to see the Eagle without Don Felder.

  • @plymouthchat
    @plymouthchat Před měsícem +19

    Been trying to get a refund for 2 weeks we spent 700.00 and with the hotel it's near on 1000 ticket master do not want to know,so we are in a pickle the eagles are a disgrace when you have people like Jon bon jovi thinking of giving up completely because of voice problems and not wanting to taint his legacy speaks volumes for the man

  • @kbradford2270
    @kbradford2270 Před měsícem +7

    It's just very very hard to comprehend somebody like Joe Walsh or Vince Gill and yet a concert went on it's just hard to believe that Joe Walsh and Vince Gill knew this was happening

    • @jamesrudd8705
      @jamesrudd8705 Před měsícem +3

      Oh, they obviously knew. I lost respect for Walsh a long time ago.

    • @jaycareaga9929
      @jaycareaga9929 Před 20 dny +2

      They are paid employees nothing more.
      Don Henley and Frey’s widow own all shares of the band and its name it’s why Felder quit.
      Frey and Henley bought everyone out and made them hired touring musicians.

  • @jonchilds1637
    @jonchilds1637 Před 22 dny +3

    Thinking about this more, it's quite easy to descend into a rant but I'll try not to! I remember some years ago listening to Kenny Rogers talking about recording with Henley; "He warms up for two hours!!" was the stand-out from that and in a way, I wasn't surprised. Don's vocal range and accuracy was second to none. I later saw Henley in Manchester on the Cass County tour and the 'no filming' thing was very emphatic there - something Henley qualified later during the show saying; "Nobody wants to be 'in the moment' any more..." So here we are a few years later, miming to a three-year-old vocal track. How 'in the moment' is that exactly??!!
    If you can't do it any more, don't do it at all. I've seen a number of 'legends' in recent years and half of those shows have been garbage. The Pension Top-up Tour!! Part of the problem might be that so many fans are more than happy to settle for less, going into ecstatic 'puppy' mode because they're seeing their idols, regardless of how poor the performance is. I've read reviews of shows I've been to which have left me wondering if I was really there! As for using age as an excuse, three words; 'Michael Philip Jagger'...!!!

    • @stuartroberts7904
      @stuartroberts7904 Před 17 dny

      I love Don Henley’s solo stuff and I never knew he did a Cass County tour in the UK. Gutted to have missed that. I saw the Eagles on the History of the Eagles tour quite a few years back and said I wouldn’t go again as Henley really struggled with the high notes all night - not his fault, but it just wasn’t the same as previous Eagles tours I’d been to. A good friend of mine saw them a few years later and said the vocals were perfect, so I assumed the concert I saw had been an off night. Got tickets to see them in Manchester in 2 weeks time and now I’m wondering if Henley really does mime and that’s why his vocals improved so much.
      I think you can use Autotune live. Could it be that’s what they are doing?
      Anyway, I am going with someone who has never seen them before and who has wanted to see them for years, so whatever happens, I’ll enjoy him enjoying it.

    • @goodshipharmony
      @goodshipharmony Před 12 dny

      @@stuartroberts7904 Yes you can use Autotune live, but there is no electronic gizmo that will perfectly align your phrasing and timing, other than a recording.

  • @doonbiz
    @doonbiz Před měsícem +5

    Don Henley did the same Desperado in 2024, he did on 2023. When viewed on a voice analyzer, two vocals cannot overlap, exactly, from two different performances. Focal patterns are like fingerprints. Whatever you folks want to think, Desperado by Henley was lip synced in 2024 from 2023. Is Don Henley doing his job? Is that fraud?

  • @sandycampbell4243
    @sandycampbell4243 Před měsícem +8

    We must not support them .If they cant sing anymore and be honest about it they must retire.

    • @TTM9691
      @TTM9691 Před 22 dny

      LOL. Who are you kidding, Sandy, you're not "supporting" them and haven't supported ANY artists since streaming and downloading came in? That's why they're touring, as a cash grab since they don't get paid from royalties anymore. Duh! The "fans" ripped off the bands a long, long time ago, they don't owe anyone a thing. You pay to see the band - "I saw The Eagles last night", see how that sentence works? - and I'm sure they strummed their guitars, so they performed according to the contracts. If someone is too stupid to realize that someone in their 70s or 80s can't sing like they used to, they deserve to get ripped off.

  • @craighurley8031
    @craighurley8031 Před měsícem +19

    The Eagles died with
    Glenn Frey ~

    • @ericholmquist8966
      @ericholmquist8966 Před 29 dny

      No before that, whenthey f×××××× Feder over. No when Henley insisted Randy Miesner sing his high part in Taking it go the Limit, and it hurt his throat. What a shit head.

    • @mojo4376
      @mojo4376 Před 28 dny +5

      And when Felder left the band.

    • @jj9749
      @jj9749 Před 18 dny

      Frey was even more of a tosser than Henley

  • @marct9587
    @marct9587 Před měsícem +12

    I saw The Doobie Brothers in concert a couple years ago and I swear the vocals just sounded TOO good to be all live. Simmons even said he had the worst case of laryngitis he'd ever had, but you couldn't tell.

    • @prd004.2
      @prd004.2 Před měsícem +3

      I saw them in 2009 and thought the same thing. Vocals were too good to be true

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před měsícem +3

      A double bill of miming! I would be very surprised if Michael McDonald is miming....I think he still does it live.

    • @JasDarc
      @JasDarc Před 24 dny +2

      I did a gig with severe laryngitis could not let the venue down, couldn't hit a single note, struggled through two hours singing lead and playing bass. After the show a kid came up to me and said I had an amazing blues voice.....

  • @TheChrist117
    @TheChrist117 Před 18 dny +1

    Maybe the Eagles should take a leaf out of the ABBA gig - go completely virtual. Personally, I wouldn't pay £300 for a mime act (or for a 'virtual' one, for that matter); hell would have to freeze over, first. That's a cheeky song you've done there, BTW... guitar sounds sweeeeeet!

  • @ken_wilkens
    @ken_wilkens Před měsícem +4

    On the positive side - you will LOVE the Doobie Brothers (who actually PERFORM their music and vocals). I saw them a couple of years ago with Michael McDonald - one of the best concerts, musically, that I have ever been to. Band is super tight and Michael McDonald is a LEGEND!!

  • @johnkenneally4662
    @johnkenneally4662 Před měsícem +12

    Joe Walsh is a “strange looking bloke.” Spot on!

    • @guitarman704
      @guitarman704 Před 27 dny +2

      He is also a really bad singer.

    • @gbarth77
      @gbarth77 Před 23 dny +1

      He looks like an eagle. Could be the mascot

    • @stevepitts7998
      @stevepitts7998 Před 22 dny +2

      I suspect it's all those parties he went to ... sometimes until 4 😉

    • @gbarth77
      @gbarth77 Před 22 dny +2

      @@stevepitts7998 in his defense it is in fact hard to leave when you can’t find the door. In all seriousness though Joe is a national treasure

    • @goodshipharmony
      @goodshipharmony Před 12 dny

      His expression is always "I just smelled someone else's fart and I'm about to puke"

  • @TheeReturn
    @TheeReturn Před měsícem +4

    Have to disagree about Rod Stewart. If you compare live now to 70's/80's. He's dropped the key at least 4 semitones in his higher register songs. Baby Jane for example is Dm but now Bbm.

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před měsícem

      Ah ok....didn't know that! He was certainly doing a lot of the songs in the original key.....the ones the keys of!

  • @arthurcrime
    @arthurcrime Před 22 dny +1

    I played support for pop will eat itself in the early nineties. I was shocked to find that there was an 8 track tape deck behind the curtain. The keyboard player had masking tape on the kb, labelling the sounds, the whole band including the guitarist was miming. I was very tempted to pull the power on the tape deck. The only saving grace was that Adrian Sherwood was mixing. This has been going on for a very long time. Enjoyed your video and the song was superb.

  • @Calif5150
    @Calif5150 Před měsícem +2

    TJ first time seeing your channel, and I'm a fan. I share your love of music, and enjoy your analysis, and your English accent is awesome man.
    This whole Tracks thing has really blown up. There has always been backing tracks used in live concerts. I mean ACDC in Hells Bells, played live w track of the steeple church bell, Van Halen keyboard fills on Jump, Love comes Walkin In, and others, that after the 5150 that Eddie actually played keyboards live, they were tracks on live shows after that tour, Ed was back on the guitar.
    Def Leppard recently now come under fire for using tracks, which is no secret, and Rick Savage has even demonstrated in many behind the scenes interviews, demonstrated the pedals he uses on certain songs for the background intros to a few songs, and the pedals he plays for the short uses, but all the drums, guitars, and amazing vocals are live.
    What's happening now though I the bands like Motley Crue, being outted for the guitar, bass, drums, and Vince Neal's vocals, ALL TRACKS, talk about Miming, thats why fans are pissed, and how Motley Crue keeps latching on to the coat tails first w Def Leppard, and coming up soon w Guns n Rose's, who wants to pay 300.00 400.00 to come out and watch a bunch of overweight has been lypsyncing and playing air guitar

  • @jamiedarcy2462
    @jamiedarcy2462 Před měsícem +42

    Get it right you've paid to see an Eagles tribute band mime!

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před měsícem +10

      The tribute bands don't mime😀

    • @ThatHuskyisCrazy
      @ThatHuskyisCrazy Před měsícem +2

      I’d rather see Joe Walsh by himself and I have.

    • @tomholm4456
      @tomholm4456 Před měsícem +1

      @@iamtjwalker hahh! true story.
      altho, methinks he’s implying here, that when the eagles elected to mine, they were no longer the eagles. but an eagles tribute band.
      thus, ‘you’ve paid t’see an eagles tribute band mime!’
      purely solely and only needling you.
      as im certain you’re well aware.
      what a great time ive had watching this video! thank you

    • @dannybryan2398
      @dannybryan2398 Před měsícem

      Three members of eagles been there since 70,s don't think it s a tribute band!

    • @PedrSion
      @PedrSion Před měsícem +2

      @@dannybryan2398 Neither Timothy B. Schmidt nor Joe Walsh are members of the Eagles. They have never been more than hired hands. The only member of the Eagles is Henley.

  • @user-tm6bq7hz2v
    @user-tm6bq7hz2v Před 28 dny +4

    The way things are going at the Co-Op Arena. it'll be a miracle if the gigs actually go ahead.

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před 28 dny +2

      I know....it's looking like it might not happen....miming or not!

  • @DannySmith75
    @DannySmith75 Před 7 dny

    I’ve seen them twice; at the O2 in 2009 and at Wembley in 2019. At the Wembley gig we couldn’t have been seated further from the stage, so were relying on the video screens. For most of the Don Henley sung tracks, the screens went off. They were on for all the other songs. Make of that what you will! Hope you can still enjoy the gig 👍🏻

  • @RichardLaurence
    @RichardLaurence Před 26 dny +2

    Queen are quite relaxed about people using their music and videos. Has it affected their popularity? I’ll check… On Spotify they have 52m monthly listeners. The Eagles have 20m, the Beatles have 35m and pink Floyd have 18m. I don’t think Queen have damaged their popularity by having their videos all over YT!

    • @61js
      @61js Před 26 dny +1

      In fact, quite the contrary I'd say. Surely your popularity goes only one way, and that's up.There's a world of new listeners out there.

    • @PeteC62
      @PeteC62 Před 20 dny

      I think with Henley, it's not just greed (but it is that too). It's also his prima donna attitude to his "creations". He sees anyone else performing them as defiling them. They're just songs; get over yourself already!

  • @papachis9535
    @papachis9535 Před 26 dny +5

    I am amazed that all of you have not realised this has been going on for years and years. I am an audio engineer. In 1974/5 I saw 10CC at the Birmingham Odeon. Those old enough will know the track “I’m Not in Love”, with multiple vocals on display. At the age of 15, I couldn’t figure out where all the sounds were coming from given the onstage activity, so I snuck down to the stage and looked behind the side curtains. There, I found a Revox reel-to-reel whirling around. When you are at a big live gig (or even a small one these days), you are rarely watching a live performance. Use your ears and eyes to figure it out. It’s not hard. Mostly you’re paying to listen to a recording. Do you really think that Michael Jackson could do all of that jumping around and still sing perfectly?

    • @scottfowler2563
      @scottfowler2563 Před 25 dny +2

      I was at that 10cc gig, I thought the vocals were “enhanced” back then. I enjoyed it so much that when they organised a return gig a few weeks later I booked tickets again. What really annoyed that second night was the between song chat/banter was exactly the same as the first night. All of it pre planned and rehearsed like some second rate club comedian

    • @John-the-Bass
      @John-the-Bass Před 22 dny

      I was at the same gig. I asked the mixing engineer how the sound was produced & he told me that they used two double track effect boxes. I am not sure he told me the whole truth!

    • @papachis9535
      @papachis9535 Před 21 dnem

      @@John-the-Bass It might not be too far from the truth: there were actually 2 Revox’s running simultaneously (both of them stereo models), but it’s unlikely to have been a multiple ADT/Echo-type effect produced entirely live: there were too many alternative BV’s produced. Anyhow, nice to know that after all of this time we got to say “hello” with a shared experience. Have a nice day!

    • @John-the-Bass
      @John-the-Bass Před 21 dnem

      @@papachis9535 I saw the reel to reel tape recorders on the sound desk. After the show was over I asked the sound guy if they were used for playback and he said no, they were recording the gig. I was upset as it was not a usual technique. I still don't believe what I was told! Great place though. The Odeon. I saw so many great bands. Beach Boys, BB King. I am pleased to hear from you!

    • @papachis9535
      @papachis9535 Před 20 dny

      @@John-the-Bass Memory lane huh! If the machine that you saw was by the desk, the likelihood is that they were recording the gig direct to stereo. That would be standard. The two I saw were backstage!

  • @wretch1
    @wretch1 Před měsícem +5

    Only one Eagle left.

  • @MrJohnnyMel
    @MrJohnnyMel Před 28 dny +2

    Enjoyed that, thanks. Amused by your irritation at having to travel so far north 😮 The journey many of us have had to do in reverse so many times, because artists only played London! You can do it ‘The Long Run’ 😅 I hope you will post a review.

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před 28 dny +1

      Ha yes....I guess I am being a bit of a southerner there! I always thought bands would do some gigs in the south and some in the north.....I can imagine it's annoying if they only do London. I live near Brighton so I have to go "up north" for almost everything.....but Manchester takes a lot longer than London!

  • @pauldalby8549
    @pauldalby8549 Před 13 hodinami +1

    I went last night… great gig and I had seen Wings of Pegasus mime analysis. Worth the trip mate for what it’s worth 👍 get a curry at Vermillion beforehand 😂🎉

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před 12 hodinami

      That's good to hear.....I kind of wish I didn't know....I'm sure it's going to be amazing though....really looking forward to it. Hope they haven't got CCTV and won't let me in because of the video!!!

  • @bethany5688
    @bethany5688 Před 25 dny +5

    The Eagles are my all time favourite band, love all the songs and have seen them perform live just the once….I was so excited to see they were coming to Manchester but when I saw the price of the tickets I was astounded…….this is more than likely the last time their U.K. fans will get the chance to see them, it’s utter greed. Dare I say…..I go to see the tribute band (Illegal Eagles) whenever I can, they sound amazing and put on a great show.

    • @ChrisOsborne-pr1iy
      @ChrisOsborne-pr1iy Před 23 dny +1

      ive seen the eagles, 2007 i think, brilliant!! can no longer afford their prices, seen the illegal eagles and i agree.....illegal...cheaper..but...brilliant!!!

    • @bethany5688
      @bethany5688 Před 22 dny

      @@ChrisOsborne-pr1iy there are a lot of tribute bands about who are as good as the originals……Rumours of Fleetwood Mac are another great tribute band and they are endorsed by Mick Fleetwood himself.

    • @ChrisOsborne-pr1iy
      @ChrisOsborne-pr1iy Před 22 dny +1

      @@bethany5688 i can second that!! myself and the wife saw rumours of fleetwood mac, excelent!! i have also seen trextasy, another great triute band!

    • @bethany5688
      @bethany5688 Před 22 dny

      @@ChrisOsborne-pr1iy oooh need to look out for them👍

    • @MrEveryman9
      @MrEveryman9 Před 19 dny +1

      Nearly Dan are very good. Seen twice.

  • @jakespoon5549
    @jakespoon5549 Před měsícem +7

    I wouldn't pat 3 cents to see the Eagles.

    • @jf3767
      @jf3767 Před měsícem +1

      I spent the money to see Steely Dan but now can't get a refund because they were the support.

  • @donnamarshall8349
    @donnamarshall8349 Před 27 dny

    Just came across your page - brilliant! Hello from Hove 😊

  • @mrtelechi
    @mrtelechi Před 18 dny +2

    I have subscribed because of your brilliant song. However, when it comes to Joe Walsh, I can forgive him somewhat because he came back to singing after a big stroke that, for a while took his voice completely. I used to run a stroke club in Oldbury in the black country UK. I know how these people sometimes never get back to how they were. It's a long hard road that is not always possible. His stuff Live From Daryl's House is brilliant considering. Anyway your song is pure genius. I loved it.

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před 18 dny +1

      I didn’t know that…..feel bad now! Glad you like the song.

    • @stuartroberts7904
      @stuartroberts7904 Před 17 dny +1

      Yeah, he’s great on Live from Daryl’s House, that’s a good show.

    • @mrtelechi
      @mrtelechi Před 14 dny

      No, you did a great Appraisal. If you don't have the information how could you know? It was not a critical comment. Just information that's all. Great song, that's why I like it.

  • @davidbrown5381
    @davidbrown5381 Před 29 dny +3

    bruce dickinson doesnt lip sync as he forgot the words to stranger in a strange land at nottingham last year and sang the chorus again , he got daggers from the rest of the band

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před 28 dny +2

      Brilliant....Bruce is a great singer.

    • @swinetrek
      @swinetrek Před 15 dny

      Paul Rodgers (Bad Company) mixed up the words of Burning Sky yet was fine with it to even include it on the live album. And . yes, he still sounded good.

  • @neilstern7108
    @neilstern7108 Před 28 dny +4

    Check out the Eagles fairwell tour in Australia, great show .

  • @d_tilla
    @d_tilla Před 10 dny

    I'm going too. I'm 33 and have never seen the Eagles live, so as a huge fan of them I was extremely excited to get a ticket for this, despite it costing me £200. 'Was' being the key word. I'm not so sure I'll enjoy it now having seen the videos on CZcams exposing the miming.
    Seeing the Doobie Brothers will be cool, and the bits of the Eagles set that aren't mimed (if there are any), but to not hear Don singing Desperado, or Hotel California, is a huge blow.
    I'm travelling a much shorter distance than you and have paid less, so I really feel for you. I am absolutely gutted.

  • @TheMasonjarz
    @TheMasonjarz Před 26 dny +1

    Great video. Glad I found your channel. Don’t worry about a bit of “production”-this lineup isn’t really Eagles! Without Frey, Felder, Meisner and Leadon it’s like the proverbial ancient axe that’s had a replacement head and a couple of replacement handles.

  • @JBGuitarInstruction
    @JBGuitarInstruction Před měsícem +4

    You Can’t Get Me For Just Singing The Names is very catchy tune. 😂

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před měsícem +1

      Ha thanks.....I must record it properly and release it!!

    • @ibendiben
      @ibendiben Před 21 dnem

      You should. It's a good tune man! Thanks for the video and laugh.

  • @shirleykimber2330
    @shirleykimber2330 Před měsícem +6

    Hi! I watched Fils' vlog about Don Henley miming also. I had been looking to book tickets to see Eagles in Manchester with at that time Steely Dan as support which would have been perfect. Anyway as we know they have been replaced by The Doobies which I would have been well pleased with. After seeing the prices of any decent seats £400 up I decided it was too expensive, nearly a 1000 for 2 tkts plus they could possibly be miming??? That killed it for me. Hope someone videos it the truth might come out??

  • @djadshead
    @djadshead Před 14 dny +1

    Does make me wonder why they even bothered replacing Glenn when they could’ve had him on playback as well.

  • @user-qm7nw7vd5s
    @user-qm7nw7vd5s Před 21 dnem

    Nice channel! Just discovered, liked and subscribed. Even shared! 👍🎸

  • @MrSparklespring
    @MrSparklespring Před měsícem +5

    Great solo and we all know Don is a prick!

  • @spokes28
    @spokes28 Před měsícem +12

    By the way, the Doobie Brothers were a dynamite rock band before Michael McDonald joined them and took them into pop.

  • @gemmawinslet
    @gemmawinslet Před 29 dny +2

    as most bands play these huge venues , they are dots in the distance , after the roxy music concert in the O2 i vowed not to bother going to large venues again, and its too easy for "lip syncing"

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před 28 dny

      I know what you mean.....smaller venues are much better. 2 of my fav gigs were Keith Urban at the Kentish Town Forum and the Brothers Osborne at the Concorde 2. Lucky to see those artists that now you'd only see in Arenas!

  • @frannyp46
    @frannyp46 Před 29 dny +2

    If you mime at a concert, it should be explicitly stated so you have a choice as whether to purchase a ticket or not. Just like you can read the ingredients on food produce.

  • @blackswanstudios6632
    @blackswanstudios6632 Před měsícem +4

    Nice guitar phrasing at the end. Regarding The Eagles they have always been perfectionists, and they've often "cheated" to get there. That doesn't mean they weren't amazing performers. Two things can be true at once. But for instance even on the records, just the phrase "City girl seems to find out early" on New Kid In Town consist of 5 different vocal takes sliced together, with one just being a consonant, another take being a single word etc. Bill Szymczyk revealed that. That was the only way they could get that level of perfection. Don Felder revealed in his book "Heaven and Hell" that one of the most perfect live performances ever released "Hell Freezes Over" contained so many overdubs that it was a basically an illusion. And ever since 1999 they have been using pitch correction on everything they have released, starting with the Millenium Concert and heavily on "Long Road Out Of Eden", "After Hours" and "Cass County".
    And STILL, they were amazing performers in their prime, just not as amazing as they wanted the product to be. If you listen to the raw soundboards from "The Hell Freezes Over" tour, they are terrific performances, sounding more like a record than 90 % of the bands out there. But NOT as perfect as the officially released stuff. They set unnaturally high bars for themselves.

    • @iamtjwalker
      @iamtjwalker  Před měsícem +1

      That is all true..... I always though the records are as close to perfection as I've heard. And I'm sure in their peak the live performances were as good as live performances could get......they are great singers and musicians. They have set the bar high!

    • @annmarie3573
      @annmarie3573 Před 23 dny

      I bet Don Henley is a miserable person to be around

  • @johnejdowski6515
    @johnejdowski6515 Před měsícem +3

    Firstly you are not seeing The Eagles are you? It's up to each person to decide but I'd never pay money to see anyone fake it. It's deceitful.

  • @stevepitts7998
    @stevepitts7998 Před 22 dny +1

    This quote from James McBride seems apt:
    “Listen, don't meet your heroes. If you meet your heroes, you're always going to be disappointed.”
    Eagles are one of my top 3 favourite bands and I am happy to have the Farewell Tour (ahem!) recorded at Melbourne DVD from 2005 to remember them by.
    A perfect performance and everything after is a re-hash and cannot be equalled.

  • @rthib1960
    @rthib1960 Před 22 dny +2

    What a clever song!

  • @PhilWare1
    @PhilWare1 Před 29 dny +9

    I wouldn't go if it was me. In fact I've given up seeing any big artists just because the cost have started to get really silly, especially when there are loads of local/cover bands you can see at a fraction of the price without travelling and who are genuinely playing/singing. This "miming" issue just puts another nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.

  • @richardcochrane9968
    @richardcochrane9968 Před měsícem +3

    Great song great playing and singing

  • @blaster-zy7xx
    @blaster-zy7xx Před 25 dny +1

    There is an oceans worth of difference between a smalll section of recorded vocals just to hit a high note and miming the entire song as often done on superbowl shows or many TV shows I’ve seen. If 99% is live, then just enjoy the show.

  • @donsullivan1137
    @donsullivan1137 Před měsícem +1

    If it hasn’t already happened, I would expect that legal disclaimers will now be included with ticket purchases that vocal or instrumental tracks may be used during performances. Basically to prevent any lawsuits against the artists.

  • @RICKRATT1
    @RICKRATT1 Před měsícem +7

    That's takin' it to the limit, huh?!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @TinSandwichUK
      @TinSandwichUK Před měsícem

      You bet it is coming from a bunch of 'Lyin' Guys'.
      I can remember in the late 60', early 70's it was about the same money to catch a top band live or buy their latest album that they're promoting on the road.
      The price that some of these so called legends charge for a catch us before we die gig and then mime is nothing but fraud.
      Very disrespectful to all those record buying, concert going fans that in the early days, turned them into superstars - for a while.

    • @allosaurusfragilis7782
      @allosaurusfragilis7782 Před měsícem +1

      Life in the fake lane...

  • @dreamscuba
    @dreamscuba Před měsícem +4

    I saw them in 2011 and I hope they did sing live. I won’t bother to see them now. I am a Joe Walsh fan and Vince Gill fan, but don’t like Henley.

  • @Holcroft1969
    @Holcroft1969 Před 26 dny +2

    I don't really know much about the Eagles but just looking at what others say, Don Henley sounds like a right Bell-End.

  • @brummiegazz
    @brummiegazz Před 11 dny

    I have seen The Eagles 5 times and never knew about this, I just thought how professional they sounded . I still enjoyed the gigs