How Celebs DESTROYED Men's Fashion | THESTATE
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Explore the rapid evolution of men's fashion influenced by celebrity culture and the impact on traditional styles. Reggie Casual delves into the legacy of Virgil Abloh, the pitfalls of performative trends, and the resurgence of authenticity in brands like ALD and Noah. Discover how men are reclaiming their style narrative amidst industry shifts.
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Performative styles -- Love that definition. I couldn't put my finger on it, yes it is costumey and performative. The AVERAGE man is not wearing that ridiculousness. And that Pharrell stuff is expensive. No average working man is going to wear it. The average working man is in the thrift stores, the Ross stores, they're not paying thousands of dollars for junky fashion.
Stick with the classics: Michael Kors, Calvin Klein, Hugo Boss, Ferragamo, the Outdoors brands like North Face.
It's insane to me that ppl don't think it's natural and logical to simply develop your own sense of style based on your interests and what just looks better on your body
Yeah this video is stupid
For me this switch happened when I got a dog. I already dressed the way I wanted which wasn't necessarily what was hip. But when I got a dog I had to rethink my whole wardrobe and it was an enlightening experience. The scope of what I like to buy now has become very very limited, I try to own as little clothes possible and yet still look according to my style and taste. It's a real task of balance and I'm still not done but I'm getting better at it. I'd love to have the kind of money to afford tailoring but I'm getting better at fitting and might not need it when I get good enough at it.
AND lifestyle!! Practicality is very important when it comes to fashion
The people in the video are not naturally stylish. They’re getting paid to wear these clothes.
All you have to do is see what happened three years ago and then u realise that people have lost their minds! 😩
you actually put a pin on a problem i’ve been hard to describe for a while now. the performative aspect of fashion nowadays. It’s more about looking crazy and wearing a logo than i felt it was just about looking good in the past.
It’s just trends and being flashy now! What’s worst is they say “I just wanna dress for me” but wear the loudest and most attention seeking outfit.🙄
We're in a '5th Element' Ruby Rhod phase of men's fashion.
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Word 😅
Fashion is starting to look more like Cosplay nowadays
This!!! These fashion shows are comedic at this point and even the most fashion forward guy isn’t rocking most of these
@@biscaynesupercars”fashion forward” is subjective
@@camdengraves1442 everything in regards to fashion is subjective
@@biscaynesupercars tru but in my subjective opinion I think u guys are wrong the new balenci seasons are fye and demna is pushing the boundaries of what fashion is the dude in the vid just hatin cuz he tryna push people to go buy from the niche designers he is selling on his website still was a solid vid tho
@@camdengraves1442its insanely expensive and it’s average quality at best. It’s why reps have sky rocketed these brands charge insane prices for shit quality.
The biggest problem is everyone wants to be a fashion icon which has basically made being different the new normal. It has now become more surprising to see someone dressed normally than to see someone with an dramatic/loud outfit. People have even associated wearing baggy clothes to automatically having style when that isn’t the case, I really hate this but social media is also to blame
Being female, but noticing the direction of men's fashion over the years, I find it sad with all of this pandering to celebrities. And by all of the pandering, the prices have skyrocketed to ridiculous levels. Many men who once could afford some high-end designer pieces now can't or even if they can still afford some pieces, who would really want quite a bit of what is being produced these days?
Fashion pieces need to survive more than a hot second before the designers have moved on to the next phase. A lot of fashion these days becomes outdated fast. I remember when fashion pieces lasted a lot longer, in style, and when one didn't have to go into the boring quiet-luxury direction to get such.
It's the same in women's fashion, but I think in women's fashion, we have always had more fashion choices and at more price levels. Plus, women's fashion is known for being duped a lot.
Greetings from Los Angeles
My whole thing is to buy 100percent cotton, silk, wool etc. Since my budget isn't that big, it is becoming increasingly more difficult. Jeans like Levi's never survive me longer than 1 year. Still trying to find decent affordable jeans, I think I might have found it.
Honestly, caring about affordability, sustainability, quality, and uniqueness is such a conundrum :/
I see more men in the thrift stores and the consignment shops. Ross Stores, they're not paying thousands of dollars for a shirt.
Second hand is a blessing. Just bought a beautiful yohji yamamoto shirt off buyee for $65 10mins ago!
@@hansmemling2311what are you doing with your life that Levi’s don’t last you a year? Are you buying real Levi’s? I work a blue collar job and denim like Levi’s and wranglers are meant to be put to through the ringer. Unless you’re the type who likes your clothes to be completely fresh and unscathed
Oh boi Regs... you hit that nail on da head HARD son.
I never see cats in the real world wearing this stuff.
None ever at all lol. These fashion shows are cosplay conventions for celebrities
It's mostly in megacities like New York and Tokyo
I couldn't have said it better. The industry, in my opinion, is just jumping from trend to trend and it feels more like influencer marketing than innovation based work. That constant shift in style and the current geopolitical and economic climate has forced some, and other voluntarily have followed, going back to the basics and creating their own style. Which is a great message to send to these companies as a consumer
You left out my two most favorite designers of all time: Errolson Hugh and Kanye West. One is Virgil's mentor and the other one is pushing men fashion into the future.
Kanye being your favorite designer is hilarious
I think men's fashion is in a fine place. Sure we live in a hyper-consumption, micro-trend era, but there are a lot of unique options out there. Style doesn't need to be predicated by the current mainstream trend and I do think that is reflected in the many small brands, and a diversity of influencers that exist. There's also an abundance of retail experiences ranging Ssense to poshmark to the local thrift store. Also, what you may see as a trend on social media may not be a trend irl. Just do you, boys. Don't overthink it :)
Wow. Everything I dont like about popular men's fashion was summed up in this video. I didnt have the words to describe how i felt, what i saw; then Reggie pulled them out of my brain. Agreed: the classic styles, function over form, a flexible wardrobe (everything interchangeable), these tenets have served my closet (and wallet) best. Love these think pieces.
I feel like people are hung up on and confused by the terms practical and performative here.
Practical is clearly not being used as some "alpha male", traditionalism dog whistle here. Its that mens fashion has very distinctly switched from being for specific types of people and their interests to very short term, hype driven performativity. The performance isn't the style of the clothes (which is ultimately irrelevant) but the way in which the clothes are pushed at rapid paces and in a constant stream (see "micro-trends").
For example lets consider "Gorpcore". Previously people who wore outdoor and performance clothing also, typically, engaged in some kind of lifestyle or subculture around it. They were hikers, climbers, campers, etc. Brands like Mountain Research tailored themselves to be for these anarchist hippie outdoors types and fufil their needs - these brands were "practical". These needs can range from clothes good for climbing in extreme weather all the way to wanting to signal what interests I have - both are a kind of practicality.
Gorpcore on the other hand has no practical subcultural foundation. It's named literally after a material product and about sharing expensive performance wear online. It is inherently about performativity and not fulfilling the needs of an established group over an extended period of time.
In this sense we can see Yohji Yamamoto, CdG, Junya, Rick Owens and even someone like Mugler as being "practical" and a lot of these new brands and trends as being performative.
Well that's a whole lot of opinions for gatekeeping warm, movement-enabling rain resistent clothes.
@@user-to3mb8od3z Way to completely misunderstand the point. Nice buzzword use though.
fashion is a market nowadays not a craft. very oversaturated and boring. the clothes are not bad but imo streetwear and skate wear will always have a huger impact on my life than fashion because i actually wore it and seen people wearing it through my life. i thought i loved fashion but honestly i always was attracted to skateboarding (i skate) lol. skaters make better clothes to actually live in but i do respect all the work that goes into fashion and its rich history. im glad to have been part of that world.
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Love these videos! And even though the fashion topics are mainly geared towards men's fashion and style, I learn a great deal as a women who loves fashion. Keep these going, please! Also, I really enjoy the details and structure that Japanese designers bring to the game - Issey Miyake and Yohji Yamamoto being my favorites, so far.
I like how you talk about the slow adoption of new trends in fashion and how that's not really the approach lately. I was in New York end of last year and had recently become more concerned about whether or not my style was enough of a balance between being timeless yet modern and unique. Let me tell you, ALL those worries were put to rest when I saw how hypertrendy [to the point of cosplay] the cool kids in NYC looked haha
Hey Reggie what happened to the book shelf at 10:38?
Was an excellent live last night. Cheers for your thoughts. Hope to see more. 🖤
Sorry, I kinda do get your point and also find suspicious some of these examples of seemingly performative fashion. But it often felt you were aiming with suspicion at everything outside your personal taste. Not everything feminine is performative nor is part of a new agenda, ask the styles derived from the 70s that were also taking cues from celebrities (Jagger, Bowie). Opium is the logical dark step from y2k and cyber grunge as their analogs also developed similarly in the later 90s early 2000s.
But I also don’t believe there was malice on your part. The world has forgot about Hanlon's razor and giving the benefit of the doubt to people. What I believe from this video is that you’re tired of this ever changing overstimulated pace we are experiencing. And, well, amen to that bro, I 100% feel you. We just need to verbalize these malaises better without generalizing.
That is very fair. I wish I would have said it this way in hindsight.
I didn’t try to generalize because I was trying to be sinister. I just don’t want to offend people. Yes we did a little bit of the clickbait which would certainly garner attention but we simply want the conversation to take place so people see that this speed of adoption is unsustainable. We can’t build houses with only half the tools.
@@THECASUALco I feel you. Yeah, this dialog needs to start gathering voices, but from a more empathetic and understanding POV. Generalizations just add to the radicalization of these discourses and that’s the noise that’s starting to really affect mentally, physically, spiritually.
But again, I knew where your heart is bro. It’s all good. We all are fumbling around trying to join this conversation; we all will or did drop the ball because it has been a very anxiety inducing subject these past years.
Much love brother.
A lot of menswear that's heavily promoted just seems obnoxious (by proxy so are the celebrities used to sell it) along with this constant need for the industry to attach a name to anything remotely resembling a trend so they can market and sell it. Rather the brands just take a step back and concern themselves less with engagement and focus more on making quality garments like the after mentioned denim heritage brands.
I could see your point. Something to consider is that fashion has always been a mirror to the times yet has always moved in cycles and if that is the case, perhaps what we are seeing is a time when men or people who really love fashion for fashion sake actually get a chance to see each other. Many men get dressed to social attract each other or to find a mate that is not the fashion lover most of the time. We are finally seeing the men and women who actually dream, play, and breathe the exploration of clothes get some shine. The art of clothing over the tribe of fashion perhaps. Eventually it will go back to the way it was but right now, like Covid was a haven for introverts, we maybe in an era of fashion for fashion sake is in the light and the majority (people who just like to look cool to be accepted) are finding it hard to follow. Although, let IG tell it and the fastest way to grow as fashion influencer is stick to suits.
As a long-term follower and admirer, I have to admit that this piece is pretty stagger. Obviously, mainstream luxury brands might appear "costumy" with their presentation, but in fact the actual offering within the collection is mostly consisted of the commercial pieces which are pretty easy to grasp and ofc easy to sell. In case of the latest LV show, isn't the cowboy shit with workwear sensibilities is one of the pinnacles of menswear in terms of practicality and simplicity of utilizing it?
This piece was a bit disjointed because how we showcased it. We attempted to blend both real world examples with brand examples and missed the mark a bit.
It certainly is a brands prerogative to have “costumy” presentation. My point was considering the speed at which movements in fashion styling are adopted.
In the case of LV's recent "cowboy" themed runway might have caught the eye, but it fell short of sparking any real innovation or conversation. It was more of a costume play than a fashion statement, lacking depth and progression. This reflects a broader trend in the fashion industry, where rapid shifts from one trend to another, often fueled by social media, blur the lines of genuine style identity. Historically, fashion has been about the art of refinement and personal evolution, a concept that seems to be fading in today's fast-paced consumption cycle.
The constant chase for the "next big thing" has significant downsides. It's not just about being fashion-forward anymore; it's about the psychological impact of this relentless pursuit. The barrage of content on social media platforms can lead to feelings of envy, mental health issues, and a culture of judgment and intolerance. This isn't what fashion should stand for.
I critiqued the influence of celebrities and influencers in perpetuating this cycle. However, the root of the issue is deeper. It's the sheer volume of content we consume that's reshaping our relationship with fashion, often for the worse. My argument is not against wearing what you like; quite the opposite. I advocate for embracing personal style choices without the pressure to jump on the bandwagon of every emerging trend for social recognition.
I challenge that the real power of fashion lies in community, using my personal affinity to Yohji as an example. It's about expressing who you are and connecting with others, not about the clothes per se. Fashion should empower us to stand firm in our choices, encouraging us not to abandon our unique styles for the fleeting approval of social trends. By focusing on building strong, supportive communities, fashion can regain its role as a source of individual and collective identity, rather than a cause of social anxiety and conformity.
I’m ready for more of your hot takes. You are 100% right
This was a great video, and the first of it's kind I have seen.
Thought that disliking the latest collections was due to my age… I was looking at Zegna, hermés or on another level Cos as the few wearable labels and thinking I lost my edge and found safer in a more classic look. Now I got it 😂 thx
so incredibly well said!
Here’s the thing: men were never into fashion, they were into _style._ It wasn’t about designers or brand names so much as how to put yourself together with whatever and look good. Then these fashion brands realized they could market their stuff to men through music by paying hip hop artists to essentially advertise their brands and be walking billboards. Couple that with the rise of social media and its ability to provide a platform to anyone willing to do/say/show the wildest nonsense for attention and…here we are, in this cultural mess we’re in today.
Great take as usual 💯
We must decontextualize and redefine fashion as individuals
Really insightful
Preach Reggie! You hit the nail on the head with this one 👏🏾
Dope take!
Thank you!!
Wear what you like and not what you don’t simple
Such a well articulated argument!
Man you hit the nail on the head!
Good video. Would be cool to see something maybe more indepth and explorative regarding this subject.
Man, you did it. You took what I was feeling, like a general idea of someone who don't understand shit about fashion and made a whole video explaining with great understanding.
Yeah, that was what it was bothering me all along in man fashion, the lack of respect for the classics and for the small changes.
Loved this whole video. ❤
The beginning of the end was when Kim Jones collaborated with Supreme
dude pronounced the hell out of those japanese designers 😂
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I love how people are getting more creative. So yes traditional fashion is nice but I love the "cosplay" fashion. Finally something new and creative. You could never wear catwalk outfits anyway. Nothing new there. And yes there are men who like to dress differently and creative. I love traditional fashion and denim too but It's just two different ways of fashion and shouldn't be compared.
You have a refreshing, interesting and well informed take on menswear. This is the first chanel I've come across solely devoted to this topic and I thoroughly enjoyed this post.
You have a new subscriber👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Well said!
Nice take!
I haven’t watched in a while. Dope glasses. Full Asian fashion aesthetic. Love it
great vid
You are totally right bro!
Can you list the links to those designers you like? Curious to see what they have.
I don't quite understand what your point was. Are you upset that high fashion luxury brands are catering to the rich, like celebs? Those have always been the clients. Or are you upset that they're pushing styles that aren't reflected by the masses? That has also not really been their modus operandi historically. Or are you upset that your particular interests, japanese stuff, isn't super popular? I get the feeling that anything wacky, strange, haute couture, or femme is ridiculous to you. Once again, fashion is always changing. It's the nature of fashion. None of those designs restricts or stops ppl from your esthetic from finding clothes and dressing how you want to...
I don't understand how brands you don't like can "destroy" fashion. That's only the case if you rely on them to give you fashion... But that's why i'm confused since you simply don't have to shop there. There are so many other options, like you said. I couldn't care less what other men are wearing. I dress for myself and by myself. i don't need that to be reflected in the "culture."
I knew this would come with assumptions. Which is why I mentioned that I am a fan of Yohji and other designers which are often viewed as “weird”. Apparently it wasn’t enough…
I agree fashion is changing but for men it’s happening incredibly rapidly to the point where these fashion movements are being less fleshed out, and abandoned. We are not given enough time to actually make them valuable parts of the ethos of men’s fashion. Instead we have an unwieldy matrix that allows for less time for evolution leading to, what I call, performative fashion.
It isn’t about haute couture, or feminine outfits which quite honestly I recognized would trigger a few arguments. It’s about allowing fashion to develop further.
I find it crazy how people can complain about the speed of trends and yet in the same breath say “fashion is constantly changing”. Yes fashion is changing, it always has but those changes were more about progression than speed of adoption.
A lot of these fashion gods are wearing performative clothing which isn't practical for everyday use. You would never see any of this out in public on a day to day basis let alone a family function. Fashion week is just turning into the Anime Expo at this point. Goofys all over.
@@THECASUALcodoesn’t seem like you really thought this video through, you kept contradicting yourself and you didnt make your point clear. The statement you made about conversation and exploration in fashion being destroyed is not only just blatantly wrong but it also makes it very unclear what your trying to say, since you also kept using the word “traditional,” do you want people to explore fashion or do you want people to find a uniform, kinda missed the mark tbh
@@tvo5848I would say his thought caters more to me. Hence even his channel name casual. I’m a casual fashion person. I don’t want to dress like every American joe but also like the “eccentric” boys. Fashion is moving at too fast of a pace just to cater to consumerism and the greedy “capitalists”.
Btw this immense pace fashion moves does not make you individual at all. Most the folks in high fashion look the same because it’s overcomes their personality and natural beauty. For me Rick Owen’s is no different to sketchers
Man!! You really spoke the TRUTH!!
i think a plugin in your editing software is broken it might be causing those visual glitches
I relay it! Thanks. I was wondering what the deal was!
I'm glad I found your channel. Good content. I subscribed!
I hear you
Jun Takashi is goated
One aspect of this, the wilder a style gets... If it's really a genuine expression of aesthetics, I really dig it. As soon as you add this try-hard runway ''I'm so ahead of the curve'' element to the point of the outfit being a means to an end, it kills the whole thing for me. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, though, I can still like looking at it even if I'm averse to what's behind it on their end.
I feel lucky as a man that when I look at regular clothing these ridiculous fashion ideas haven't affected my options. Men's fashion has stayed largely the same in regular stores.
Respect!!!!! U taking fasts
Dude this has been happening in women’s fashion since women’s fashion was women’s fashion. I’m may or may not like it (mostly I don’t)but I’m glad to see men branching out from same suit different fabric.
great vid, well put
i swear, i thought it was just me that was confused at the blow up of New Balance. i'm 50 & Nike & Adidas were always the staples in my age group. we had a Puma run around the early 80's of hip hip but, J's & Air Force 1's (Nike) & Run DMC (Adidas) were ALWAYS the go to. i don't really do gym shoes like that anymore but, when if i do, i'm not going towards NB. the 1st time i heard them being mentioned like that was on Ghostface Killa's album 'Bulletproof Wallets'. & even then, i just thought it was just some New York shit......i'm from Chicago (yeah, i know LOL)
Yup an excellent summary of men's wear over the last 20 or so years. Give a style 30 or more years and it somehow finds its way back to today's latest. Case in point are bell bottoms and cuffed dungarees. My Zegna, Boss, Polo, Diesel, G Star or custom made clothes find their place in daily wear or special occasion outings. In the end, wear what fits your body well and you did not have to ransom next month's cash flow to make it all work out for just that one occasion.
I like eclectic clothing bc that’s my personal style. I understand it’s not for everyone and that’s okay. We are all different. I liked Pharrell latest collection. Not the first, but this most recent appeals to me and opens my mind to western and indigenous styles that I haven’t tried before. You might see more men rocking cowboy boots because of it and I think that’s awesome.
What’s the collection at 6:58 ?
brilliant
Great channel and such an amazing country with kind and stylish people. I was so close to visiting Japan at one point myself. I had experience with modeling and in late 2015 I was in contact with Capcom about the facial likeness role of Leon for the Resident Evil 2 Remake. I failed to mention I also have a voice acting background, in the end I lost the part and I can't forgive myself for wasting such an opportunity. That would've been a real dream come true to visit Asia.
Thank you bro..STR8 FACTS. You cooked.
ID on the necklace?
This why I respect you Reggie love from ya unknown brutha Rhys.T
Finally someone said it out LOUD!
Very good take Reggiesan
If LV was truly invested in the future of menswear, they wouldve went with martine rose and not pharrell.
This is greatly written
I think the experimentation should be commended. Playfulness, obscure pieces and hints of feminine aesthetics have offered some excitement and variety to menswear, so I wouldn't say it's ALL bad. I go outside and all the it-boys are still in regular fits made of simple, yet high quality items. I think a decent chunk of the discussion boils down to personal style, but i agree that this movement and the culture around men's fashion at the moment feels like its more about pandering and performance than engaging with the intended audience or actually making a statement. I remember when guys first started normalizing pearl necklaces and painted nails, i began joking about how that was the new way to identify straight guys because it was so widely adopted as some sort of virtue signal. We're seeing it now with how a majority of male fashion "fanatics" on TikTok wear head-to-toe Rick Owens to almost signify being the epitome of cool and having good taste. I think hype, celebrity and fleeting trends are an issue with the industry as a whole. Both mens and womens fashion alike, but between that and the larger conceptual shift that's been happening in menswear, that's still trying to find its footing and figure out what it means for men overall, I guess you could say menswear is in a tough place
Should’ve started it with Dapper Dan then went to Virgil 💯💯💯 nonetheless great video !
Agreed on all. Tyler The Creator's NEW LV COLAB LOOKS PROMISING.
Yeeeesss speak on it!!!
I was impatiently waiting for someone to make a video about this. THANK YOU! 🙏🏿🫡
TRUTH!
Amazing video all I see on hypebeast now is fashionnshow style things I dont see any type of respectable fashionn
Love ❤️
Speaking truth in this one.
V good vid
Haven't been a fan of men's fashion for years now. You are spot on with your assessments imo. We are living in the complete copycat era. Social media is a dangerous mechanism proliferation in this regards. Oh yeah Pharrell can go...
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Some big trends change: sneakers for every porpoises, less jean, gym clothes everyday and time, baggy fit, use of colors black, brown and white, more of prints out, t shirts almost out, etc 🧏🏻♂️
No one in Pharrell’s camp challenged his designs and that should scare the hell out of him as a creative. He either doesn’t foster that culture where people can disagree or power his going to his head and won’t listen to another opinion. We are just going to see costuming from here on out from him. He’s no Virgil.
Agreed
I agree to everything except the crocs. Crocs are staple now whether you like it or not
I’ll agree to that. Take crocs off the list.👍🏽
I feel like this video isn’t for or I just don’t anything about fashion anymore
This BoF level content, for FREE! Great video Reggie!
It's all gym clothes now 😂
And it's the worst thing
In every day ... even the t shirt disappeared 🧏🏻♂️
All you need are some good selvedge denim pants and a white t-shirt
Stick to the classics, but make your own statement within that classic style.
honestly although I agree on your opinion of trends being like shit, I still don't thin k that showing logos is bad, cut the logo is derived from the lengthy heritage of the brand and the trial and error its been through, the hands that made clothing, and minds that made revolutions. that's what the logos are made to represent.
Pharrell is top 3 best dressed celebs of the last 20 years
Gréât vidéo . Thx.
A topic I would love you to explore is a deep dive in Japanese denim brands
I have enough hate for that dreadful silhouette for the both of us 😂
Style versus Fashion is always the difference
Real fashion is not top down it from the streets and up
Great job brother👋. That's why I don't follow trends, if you do, you end up dressed up like a dumb, silly, gay, girl or travesty. As I say, you are who or how you present yourself.