When is a Wade Saddle Not Really a Wade Saddle?
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- How to identify a Wade saddle and why they may or not be appropriate for your needs.
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I'm so grateful for you taking the time to explain this!! I'm a primarily english rider, and when others try talking me into a western they're constantly saying "go get a Wade". No one could tell me why they were different until this video. Thanks for patiently educating!
I love the respect you have for the culture down to the smallest detail of pronouncing the words correctly. Very great video on a topic I never knew I’d want to learn!
Me too
As a retired saddle maker, you explained that very good
I started riding in a wade saddle back in June that my farrier loaned me to see if I like the wade. By the beginning of September I had my own new wade saddle from Hud Roberts. It fits my Mustang dang near perfect.... or at least she has been much more agreeable with a wade saddle on her back than other saddles I've had on her and its much more comfortable for me.
I forget which video it was on but thank you for suggesting that don williams coyote song. Sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole of good storytelling songs.
I didn't know much about Wade's or there construction. I also appreciated information on using a nightlatch and not grabbing the horn. Thank you.
Ive been roping out if a TM tree for years. I like that it has more meet to the rolls.
Thank you, this video made it easy to understand western saddles.
Great explanation Dwayne. As always, enjoy the talks.
I love these videos, such a wise man. I am smoking on a Padron 1964 anniversary series. God I love this stick. They go hand in hand with tha videos.
Love my night latch. Got one on every saddle
Very interesting. I had been wondering what the difference was between the two saddle horns. Thanks for the video Dewayne.
Awesome education. Thank you Sir.
Awesome review! Thanks for sharing! Have a great day
I have read that the wade saddle was kin to the old style charro saddle. I have also read that being closer to the horse was better for the overall control and feel of the horse. I have a saddle made out of Oregon that is a wade and the most comfortable saddle I have ever set.
Who made your saddle?
Lots of good information. Thank you very much.
Very good information.
great walk thru, as always, easy to understand and full of good info, Tjhanks
Much obliged
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I go to the register and that couple I met in the humidor, said they wanted to be pay for my sticks.
I said what, they insisted on paying for my sticks. I walked my crippled ass out with a great selection of top quality fine handmade beautiful cigars...free
Thanks! Good info
Thanks
Good solid information with proper terms/pronunciation’s…😎👍👌
Amazing video!
So many new information, and now I know what exactly am looking for!
Thank You Amigo!
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I have a Billy Cook (Oklahoma) Wade Saddle. I trail ride, I don’t rope, but it is the most comfortable saddle I have ever owned.
It’s interesting that the design of Clifford Wade’s saddle would probably have never been noticed if it hadn’t been for Tom Dorrance’s attentiveness and Walt Youngman(the tree maker at Hamley's saddlery) and then later Ray Hunt having Dale Harwood make them.
Where do we buy one
certainly helps!
Didn't know that was only difference in the Wade saddle version. Good comment on not grabbing the horn or pommel when things hit the fan.
I love riding a Wade. I have a great Jason, Nicholson, and a GK Fraker. They fit differently so different horses. Can ride both all day.
Good information. I ride english but find this type of video very interesting
Excelent explanation friend, grettings from Venezuela 👍👍👌
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Hello 👋 Michele. How are you doing ? Hope are you fine. I'm Mark Clifford and am from Denver Colorado, where are you from. You seem like a real country girl
Hi'ya. Your videos help me in the way a father would if I had one and I appreciate it. Would you care to do a video on how expectation versus reality affected your life? As in, what you had aspirations of as a young man and where they led you in reality.
Thanks again for all the wisdom, sir.
i like sliding rope myself. with a nice reatta. great video brother
I dig them saddlebags!
Great video!
Great Video! But a good video to also do is the Type of Riggings you find on saddles since you show a Saddle with Full Rigging a the Wade with 7/8 Rigged.
5:42 Mama got the Camera Skills. I salute that! KEep your great Vids up! Slow and STeady.
I thought it was funny when I saw the notification for this one. I just finished making a video about the Wade tree saddle, and yes, many now called a "Wade" aren't really, and it has been so many years since it came to be, the term "Wade" means very little.
thanks...
Also wade saddles are made for longer time in the saddle out here in Nevada my Buckaroo friends ride 20 miles or more a day also their sturips are turning out and fender are pushed forward towards the horse’s front legs
The best explanation/demonstration of what constitutes a Wade that I've seen. But for some reason that I can't remember (where I got it from, I mean), I though part of a tree being a "Wade" had to do with how the bottom of the fork works into the bar. That is, there's something different about how the front of the bars are shaped. Anyone else heard that?
A true Wade is Horn and fork are a single piece of wood with a Stock thickness of No less than 5"....all the Western saddle Names are Basically/mainly just the Shape of the swells/fork...for example Will James, Buster Welch, Olin Young, Wade, Bear Trap, Low Moose, TM (Toots Mansfield) are just the shape of Fork thats it
A Tree Maker can make any Bar spread, Bar Angle,Bar length, Fork/Swell Height or Fork Angle, Wood Post Horn or Metal Horn with many options on Cantle Height, once you decide on what Fork Name/Style you want
Most common measurements on Tree have 4" bar spread with 90-93 degrees and from there Every Tree Maker has their own front Bar Shape and Bar length and so on....
Okay well I didn't know that about a wade saddle. Thanks for the info
Well now I don't know who to believe, read an article in a horse mag on the origin of the wade saddle, it said Mr. Wade designed this style saddle for the farmer/settler who had the bigger work horses that not only pulled wagons etc.. but were used as riding stock as well.
For some reason no one talks about the true origin of the shape of the horn from Mexico used by Charro's/Vaquero's..Wade Saddle is a modern fully covered leather mexican saddle
Interesting explanation, thanks for that. But I got one question for ya: Isn't also the type of seat one of the differences to other western saddles? I mean, as a proud owner 🙂 of a Wade saddle myself (though cow work in Germany isn't that big 😛😀) the thing that actually made me have one built for my horse and me was the centered seat that other saddles did/do not have. And let me tell ya being a former dressage rider this centered position really helps you a lot when going western style as in a reining saddle e.g. you will most probably be fighting to get your straight sitting position you're used to.
I've been looking for a good western saddle that would fit my appy mare who has thoroughbred withers. I've been looking for western saddles now for quite some time and have been riding in a bareback pad (she also has an English dressage saddle which has wide channels). I was thinking that a wade saddle with 93-degree saddle tree might do her well. Thanks for the good info.
Hi Dewayne. Great episode again. Thank you. Just a note... I am subscribed to your show. I should receive notifications each time but have discovered i am not been notified of all your shows...This episode was one of them. Any idea why ? . Keep them shows rolling. Regards Mike
No sir, I have no idea. I suppose you could just make double sure that that little bell notification is clicked. But I am about as technologically ignorant as a man can get, and I fear that is a CZcams question. Thank you for the kind words and encouragement.
Click on the bell and make sure you have "all notifications" selected.
I’m Mexican and for me personally there is nothing better than a charro saddle, you can get them lighter or heavier it depends on you and your horse, but because of its construction I feel them more comfortable
I would like to hear your opinion about Mexican saddles, not for controversy or anything like that, just curiosity
Cheyenne roll and and my rope, if I can get there and I’m pretty damn forked !
Actually, no one knows who made the original "Wade" saddle. It was brought west from the Dakotas by a man from Oregon named Aaron Wade. After he died, his son Clifford rode it until he commissioned Hamley's to duplicate it for him. The rest is history.
Actually, Clifford Rode the Saddle from his dad. Clifford Wade was a mentor of such to Tom Dorrance. Tom Understood the qualities of the style and had Hamley Make him one. Hamley wanted to call the updated modified style the Dorrance Tree but Tom protested and said the Tree should be called The Wade.
@@TightwadTodd Yes Sir, that is correct. I think it's a tribute to the character of Mr. Dorrance that he insisted on the tree style being called the Wade, and subsequently all it's iterations. Very selfless act, and makes for the great story of it's beginnings to it's current form.
@@scrutinizer9128 Thats how Tom Was. He didnt like Attention much and didnt even want to take credit for the way he taught people to communicate with horses. He said it was the Horses method and he just watched and listened enough, to learn it. I have actually sat in both the Clifford Wade and the Tom Dorrance Wade.
Does the cantle angle or height have any affect or significance to its designation?
What do you see as the pros and cons of slick seats vs roughout seat and fenders?? Thanks!
For me, I own a smooth out seat and broken in my uncle's roughout..
As on how the seat feels.. smooth out for me, seat was really slippery brand new but as the leather brakes in not as slippery
Rough out really grips your pants but over time the rough texture wears out on where your seats is and legs lay..
As for looks.. smooth out just looks better over time.
Rough out you can see the wear areas from your seat and legs.
I believe it’s called sliding rope
Great info I been wanting to know the difference and why. What brand is your saddle?
SA Brown out of Elko, NV
I'd be interested to know what you think of the Wade from Corriente. I rode 3 different ones before I bought mine and I've been happy with it for all around ranch work and roping. I've also done several 15+ mile rides on 3 different horses and had no issues with pinching or anything. With that said, I know some folks don't like them for various reasons.
I’ve never owned a Corriente saddle myself, nor have I ridden one. But I know folks who have and they thoroughly love them. We had a student come to the school a couple of weeks ago and she had a new one. And we inspected it and looked underneath at it and went through it, and for the money I think it’s a pretty good deal.
@@DryCreekWranglerSchool was there anything about it you thought needed to be improved?
The saddle tree was covered in fiberglass instead of rawhide. Now there’s a lot of discussion about the pros and cons of this, there is a reason why all of your top working saddles out of handmade shops have rawhide covered trees. Also, if I remember right, the strings were not drilled all the way through the tree. That’s always a negative for me. But at the price point, there weren’t a lot of complaints.
@@DryCreekWranglerSchool I was taught at a young age by my Uncle to buy a rawhide covered tree for a working saddle. I’m in southeast Ga where the humidity is brutal but never had a problem with rawhide. I watch saddle maker Don Gonzales on CZcams also. He mentioned in a video that he switched from rawhide covered trees to fiberglass covered trees for the working cowboys saddle’s of south Texas because they have to swim their horses across the saltwater creeks pushing cattle to pastures. He said the fiberglass holds up better where they’re getting repeatedly soaking wet and drying back out and wet again. I’m sure there’s advantages to both but thought his take on it was interesting as well.
czcams.com/video/mQYx3wxDfN0/video.html
All right, I've learned something; thanks!
Now, I thought that one difference was that a Wade saddle had stirrup leathers farther towards the cantle, putting your ankles further back, under your hips. The standard stock saddle puts you in more of a "chair" seat. Is this the case, or have I been misinformed? Thanks again!
Any real ranch working saddle, be it a Wade or not, should have the stirrup leather‘s back under your hips so that you’re setting up forking your horse. I know there are certain types of performance saddles and pleasure riding saddles that move the stirrup leathers forward so that you’re sitting back on your hip pockets. But I do not think that the position of the stirrup leathers is a feature exclusive to the Wade tree.
@@DryCreekWranglerSchool OK, Thanks for the info!
Great video’s where is your school located in TN THANK YOU
Have you found that the wade trees seem to fit a wider variety of backs so long as you pad it right? Watched another fella who used his on everything from a mule to a horse with high withers. Just had to switch out pads. I'd rather have one saddle than have to buy a bunch obviously.
The Wade saddle, Like any other type of saddle, can be made on a variety of tree widths. It’s been my experience that a semi quarter horse bar, or a 90° by 4”, fits the broadest range of horses.
I have hard to fit horses. Narrow and high withers, and the wade affords me just a little more room up top there like few modern trees
I don't know anything about horses and saddles, what's the use of the horn in front?
What brand is that vest
Do they make good mulexsaddles?
What brand and model is your hat? Mine just broke. Bless you
Rand’s Custom Hatters. The model is the TS3, but I completely reshaped it myself
@@DryCreekWranglerSchool thank you sir
Man my last name is Wade and I've never heard of this before
I've never ridden one but I don't care for wades. I wear my spurs with the buckles on the outside though 😉
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So now I am really confused. In Australia we don't have horns on our normal stock saddles. Yes the saddler who made the stock saddle for my QH gelding said it was a wade tree. He was renowned for using wade trees only. I got a wade because my horse has withers and those saddles sit better on the crossbred horses. I recently sold my saddles because I had my horses PTS a few months ago. They were all quite old and beginning to have illness issues. But I only had that one saddle for stock work for my main horse for all of his adult life since he was 6yo. But 12yr ago I stopped using it on him once I stopped doing stock work and put the saddle away in the cupboard. It never saw light again til it was sold a week ago. But I told the lady it was a wade tree. Well she already knew it would be because she knew the saddler.
So how come we can have wades here that don't have horns?
Hello 👋 Clissa. How are you doing ? Hope are you fine. I'm Mark Clifford and am from Denver Colorado, where are you from. You seem like a real country girl
Also from Australia here, and rode a wade most of my life.
From what I was taught by my friend, who is a saddler, and built both my saddles: Generally, what makes a wade, like the guy in the video said, is the fork shape, which is partly about accommodating the horn. The forks tend to be lower, thinner and a little wider between the seat and the front of the fork. This then leads to wades tending to have slightly bigger bar pads under the fork to support the fork, they also tend to have slightly bigger bar pads at the back behind the cantle too. Which, in turn tends to give them better weight distribution for the horse, and tends towards a seat shape that sits a rider in a straighter position. About 30 years ago my friend showed me a wade tree and compared it to an association roper tree he had, and the bar differences were noticeable. The bars on the wade were larger than those on the association roper. These days they all look about the same.
I'd guess the way your wade didn't have a horn was because it’s not that uncommon in Australia for wades to be built without the horn. Everything else would be exactly the same, they have just not had a horn carved out with the fork and rather are just round over the top. An egregious waste of a saddle in my opinion.
@@foiran "An egregious waste of a saddle in my opinion." lol But we don't use ropes like You guys do either so we have no use for a horn. It just would get in the road. But I see your point. I'm not choosy, I just wanted my horse to be comfortable at work. So a Wade it was. It was the only saddle that never left dry patches or more to the point it produced an evenly wet footprint on the horse. Which means it didn't press on the horse anymore at any point than any other point. This is amazing really when you think about all the so-called professional saddles that leave horses with terrible injuries over time.
I also used a very wide girth which also never left any special mark on the horse.
From Arizona here
There's a little more details on wade tree spec's that this guy left out.
Yes his is correct on the horn and fork carved from single piece of wood
A ture wade tree has a minimum stock length of 5" front to back (stock length is top of the fork just measure on the side/ bottom of the horn base)
If the stock length is under 5" it's called Modified Wade, keep in mind horn and fork are still made from a single piece of wood.
Anything that has a metal horn bolted to the fork that shares the specs of a Wade is called a Slick Fork
In my opinion about your saddle not having a horn is not a Wade, I would call it a Slick Fork
@@brons5256 Ah I see, thanks for that extra information. I really don't know what to believe now. I want to believe the saddler who built my saddle because he is a good man. But you seem to also know about them and have given me a different name for my saddle tree. In anycase I won't be getting another saddle as I can't ride anymore. But good to know the differences. Plus it is just splitting hairs. I think the quality of the saddle is what counts and Wades are supposed to be best quality.
If it wasn’t for Tom Dorrence and Ray Hunt wades would be as popular as a charro saddle nowadays.
If anyone is looking to invest in a true hand made wade look into Robert Chavez wade tree saddles.
Where do you get your wades at?
I bought my last two from classifieds listed on ranchworldads.com
@@DryCreekWranglerSchool do you have a particular type of stirrups that you like
I prefer 5” brass bound monels
On the saddles where do you get a good cheaper one?
There are some less expensive saddles to be found on ranchworldads.com, otherwise sometimes you can find something on Facebook marketplace. A lot of it depends on the area where you’re at as to what will and will not be available locally.
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That building behind you desperately needs painting. I say that because i`m fixing and painting wood rot around my house now. LOL plus I like fix in stuff. I'd sand it a little, put a coat of Keltz on it and paint with a rusty red. LoL.
I wanna cross between a wade and a bear trap!!