When Will Jimbo Be Out At Texas A&M || AggieCentral
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- When will Jimbo be replaced is a big question, and maybe the most important for Aggies right now. There are buyouts, expectations, and the state of the team, along with the future to consider. Timing is everything!
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I think something else plays a part in all this and that's the fact that A&M is trying to be a top dog in a conference they don't have a history of dominating. A&M hasn't been a doormat like Vandy but has mostly been mid tier. If you look at all the top programs they have all historically bullied their conference or shared that role with 1 or 2 other programs. What conference has A&M ever bullied? Not the SEC, not the Big 12. They were however, at the top of the SWC, consecutively. Unlucky for A&M, though it was toward the end if the SWCs existence. So that domination was disrupted right when it was getting good for the Aggies. I think this plays an indirect role in affecting a bunch of other factors related to success other than just directly scoring one more touchdown. Maybe that's too mystical but I think it's part of it.
Should A&M have joined the SEC? I dont see why not. A&M has increased its national presence, had shocking victories and kept above .500 all but one season so far which is better than the last 10 they spent in the BIG12
I don't really question the jump, but right now, a decade of average play and results, I think it's at least worth a ponder. But all the things you say are true, although, if it's the house that Johnny built, we would likely still have that. It's hard to pin our prosperity in those areas to 8-4 seasons in the SEC in my mind. I think the biggest benefit we've had is to become more battle hardened. If we ever get over the hump, we will damn sure be hard to knock off.
@@atmcoldchills Jonny took the house with him. A&M needs to build its own house. I am entertaining the idea that A&M thought it would be on top in a few years but in reality they are in store for a longer journey of building a history of being competitive, breaking out of its pushover slumber of the 00s. That means tough 8-9 win teams. Frustrating losses, close games. If that is the journey, Jimbo has been the man for the job. No quick way to the top.
Look at all the coaches that have quick impact. Seems like they are all already at a program with recent championship history and conference dominance. Saban, Smart, Harbough, Norvell, Sark, Kelly etc. A&M doesn't have that and I don't think the #1 recruiting class is going to change that in 3 years.
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Jimbo is holding A&M back and he just needs to get out of the way and get fired likd every other coach of the last 20 years. I lean to the former but reserve a small place for the ladder.
The first point is a really solid point, seriously. If it is that journey, he’s the guy! Leadership and the powers that be and pull the strings have their work cut out for them figuring out which one!
@@atmcoldchills I also think firing RC Slocum was a major slip. Of course that is in hindsight but could ~5 more years of RC really have been that bad? Bowden got like 8 years of up and down seasons before Jimbo took over. RC gets 1 or 2? Just toss away your winningest HC? I think A&M has been paying for it ever since. I don't care how many Cotton Bowls RC loses. It ain't worse than 4-8 and a sports info scandal!
You miss the point about Slocum. R.C. Slocum's problem was Wally Groff. That dumbass bean counter of an AD thought it was more important to have the stands full then to have a championship program. That's why the first thing Robert Gates did upon becoming University President in 2002 was to fire Groff. Groff refused to give Slocum the facilities he was begging for, which caused him to fall behind Mack Brown, Bob Stoops, Mike Leach, and Nick Saban between 1999-2002, when he was fired.
R.C. Slocum was ultimately fired in 2002 because he committed a grievous sin, which was to have a losing record at Kyle Field. The 2002 season was the first time A&M had a losing record at home since 1982. Of course, a similar instance is why we were FURIOUS at Bill Byrne for giving Franchione a guaranteed contract extension after the 2004 season, when A&M lost to Baylor for the first time since 1984.
Our team is built just like Alabama with a dollar store nick Saban as coach
Why question the jump to the SEC? That’s not even a question. We’ve profited from it and have the best facilities, increased fan base support and arguably more talent here than ever before. The coach is the issue
I responded below for more clarity. I don't really question the jump, some things we benefited from at that time, like the house that JFF built was likely no matter in my mind. 8-4 season is tough to credit the prosperity. I think the SEC has hardened us though. We aren't playing crap schedules, so I think we are ready to get over the hump in that regard. I wish the mental aspect was there and we might have already done it. But if this trajectory was always meant to be the long haul, once we get there, it will be hard to knock us off. But all the reasons you say are true, so I don't give it much credence to make the jump other than to just point the introspective questions we are having just based off the inability to attain what we have been after. It was beneficial if for not other reason than to get away from the horns.
Dump Dumbo in the gravel pit and promote Petrino to HC. Dump Ross Bjork in the pit with Jimbo. Problem solved.
I think Lucci said that the BOR's are having a meeting on Tuesday and i imagine one piece of their agenda would probably be trying to figure out if it's really possible to fire Jimbo without paying him all this money we owe him and his assistants.
What they should meet about is how they can prevent themselves from approving a contract like this in the future. They have as much culpability as any in my mind save Jimbo.
Also, is Max Johnson out for the season?
@eazye619 no idea but he has been suffering from a rib injury that might keep him out for the remainder of the series.
Multiple broken ribs. I don't see how he plays again this season.
@@davidhfranz You can play with broken ribs since pro QB's do it all the time. If he plays they will probably give him some type of rib protection vest that he can practice and play with.
LSU is a winnable game like all the rest. Its been awhile since A&M fans could say that with every game. No reason to believe LSU has to be a loss other than maybe Connor being out. LSU did take a L last year. Who knows.
I think it's very winnable. I've thought that about every game, but there in lies the problem. I wouldn't say we "should" win, but I think its fair to say that like most games the year, we either win the game, or beat ourselves. When push has come to shove, we typically beat ourselves though in high stakes competent matchups. I hope we win out though, and then the bowl game. Finishing strong is important!
@@atmcoldchills Despite everyone's disappointment, say A&M finishes the regular season with 8 wins, plus a win bowing leaving 9 on the season. That would leave Fisher with 3 9 win seasons ( and had they played that darn bowl game in 2021, 4 9 win seasons i think). Does A&M really want to fire another coach?
I can hear people saying "but we didn't pay for 9 win seasons". Sure, then renegotiate the contract, add some stipulations, something to make people feel better since they are so concerned about A&M finances. Don't tell them about the 485 mil Kyle Field bills though. I get the feeling that at a certain point, A&M should realize, or the fans at least, that they can't spend a coach into a corner. To spend so much and then when reality hits, be upset that the likely results didn't match their imagination.
Jimbo is a non-performing asset so you write him off and get a replacement with the ability to produce the expected ROI ASAP. (If this was a marriage "Couples therapy" with Petrino failed.)
Do you replace him now based off that assessment, which i have no problem with on its face, or do you consider next years matchup on Thanksgiving, and consider how a new coach could affect that outcome? Or do you see the more ultimate goal as compete unattainable with Jimbo at the helm?
Succession planning and opportunity provide the answer. Do you have a qualified, highly desirable candidate you feel certain you can hire quickly? Jimbo's record is now less favorable by three losses on the same number of games as Sumlin's. @@atmcoldchills
A lot of rumors Max has broke ribs and isn't playing.
a&m try not to have qb1 injured for less than 4 weeks challenge *impossible*
Dear 12th man Jesus…
You might as well promote Bobby to head coach
Maybe that was his plan all along!
No. If you promote anyone to head coach you promote Elijah Robinson and let HIM choose his staff.
Look back on what Jimbo did at Florida State before he left and look now at what he is doing to TAM. Florida State fans tried to warn ya.
Jimbo needs a generational talent at QB to win a national title.
The SEC is getting tougher with Texas and Oklahoma coming in and adding two tough teams that you have to beat to even win the SEC.
If Texas A&M decides to fire Jimbo they better have someone lined up and not have to do a coach search.
A name I see being tossed around some is Lane Kiffin , I honestly do not think that would be a good culture fit and he seems happy at Oxford (waiting on Saban to retire and get his shot there maybe).
While A&M winning a national title would be nice, A&M hasn't won a conference since 98, I don't think they've won a division since then either. The 2012 Cotton Bowl was great but a comparable bowl hasn't been achieved since then either and before that, since 98. Jimbo was HC at FSU for what, 7 years? Every top program has great QBs. Jimbo had EJ and Jameis. Sumlin had Manziel, without which we would not even be hearing the Sumlin comparisons. I think Connor W. is the first real star Jimbo has had, that he recruited, at QB. Haynes, never developed but he also was injured all the time. Jimbo's had piss poor luck after Mond (Sumlin's QB) with QBs.
The answer is after losing to t.u. in 2024. It would be at the end of year 4 of a completely undeserved guaranteed contract extension. Slocum was fired in year 4, Franchione in year 3, Sherman in year 4, Sumlin in year 4, and Kennedy in year 4 of their undeserved guaranteed contract extensions respectively.
after that loss you call them U.T. Not a childish nick name no one else uses. Deal?
@@steelesmith9no deal
He should be fired already after losing to Ole Piss. Gotta do it after the LSU game. If not you’re screwed for the future
Who will be the next HC?
Ole Piss lol
We just need another year for Bobby Petrino system to be fully intact. We are going to have another top 3 recruiting and we have to have patience.
This is the second straight season in which both the starting quarterback and 2nd string quarterback have been lost for the season due to atrocious offensive line play. The fact that Fisher has not fired Steve Addazio already is basically "for cause" for firing right now.
There is no reason to believe A&M will beat LSU AT LSU
None, especially with a 3rd string QB
Ohio state and Alabama won games with 2nd and 3rd string quarterbacks. Tua has a National Championship win as true freshman. Stop making excuses. You are making the real Aggies look bad.
Please keep Jimbo!!!
I agree, keep em.
The both of you must be insane.
He's the best coach for other teams....... lol
Look AC, it’s mostly an academic and moot point on Jimbo. It is stupid to pay $70M plus to fire him and result in chaos on the team, transfer portal, recruiting etc with no super viable candidate in waiting. The team/players did not quit during the game. Maybe we need a new oline coach but whoe knows. We definitely need better DB/CBS maybe through the portal. Find an exceptional replacement first then talk about it.
I’m encouraged that no one quit. But I’m frustrated I don’t think we have a DB coach. We did a lot of work through the portal this last year, and still no ROI. Even if we did it again, I just wouldn’t feel confident it wouldn’t be wasted. Something has got to give at that spot.
Which OL coach worth a shit is going to come work for a coach who is considered a dead man walking? Fisher will be fired as soon as Conner Weigman and Max Johnson both enter the portal a week apart FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY.
If anyone believes that A&M is going to beat Texas next year or else, go ahead and fire Jimbo now and I’m not an Aggie or UT fan.
We need to replace Jimbo with Sonny Dykes…..he is a proven winner and can better utilize the talents on this team.
To me Jimbo has to go the time is now. And please do not bring up the money A&M donors are the richest in the country, and they are not happy right now.
On an unrelated note, I think the up tempo "offense" is the biggest gimmick in football. It attacks the rules and seams of the game itself rather than the scheme of the defense. I personally don't care to watch players competing to line up faster than the other team, helping out with ball placement (for that chip kelly style run a play every 8 seconds BS), not letting the DC do his job, not allow substitutions etc.
I think it was against Alabama last year that they scored a TD on an up tempo play, there wasn't even a defender over where the pass was. At that point we're just watching the offense play against nobody. The offense already has the advantage on the defense because they dictate what happens and now the offense can exploit non schematic weaknesses? If I wanted to watch a continuous game I'd just watch soccer, a game with rules designed for continuous play.
Why aren't yall playing another QB alternate them MJ is good for 5 plays tops!!😮😢😂🎉
Texas am could be very down from a close loss Mississippi state could capitalize on that
It’s not out of the realm of possibility. But I think we will pull it out. They are coming off a demoralizing loss as well to Kentucky. They are really down looking up at nearly everyone else.
So could have South Carolina after Bama and Tenn.
It could be the 2005 Iowa State game all over again.