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- čas přidán 6. 04. 2018
- This video is about removing the prop shaft from a Johnson 30HP outboard. This involves removing the bearing carrier, retainer plate, lower shift linking, gear selection yoke, and then finally the prop shaft itself.
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Excellent Stu I’ve never seen such a detailed vid on disassembly of the gear box until yours. Cheers to ya mate cya in the Keys
Thanks Stephen! :)
I always enjoy videos of you doing tear downs on lower units Stu. I think at this point you’ve given me enough future confidence to tear into a lower unit beyond just the water pump!
Thanks Jack! Always feels like a win when people say they now have the confidence to give it a shot themselves. :)
@@DangarMarine hello! I want to thank you for all the clear and detailed videos you carefully put together every week. Recently I bought a used 2000 model 15hp Suzuki outboard. This is my the first outboard and needless to say it was full of surprises. I have had to des assemble the whole thing except the engine internal parts. Thanks to you I was able to breakdown the lower unit which was a complete mess. Luckily I was able to salvage the gears, the prop shaft and many other components. I recently ordered an after market bearing carrier and it’s supposed to be a good fit, I did find that the prop shaft doesn’t easily go in. The old one has more play in it which I attribute to being old. I’m ordering all new seals, bearing and shims and begin the rebuilding process. I would like to have your opinion in perhaps gently sand down at least a millimeter of the new bushing of the bearing carrier so that the prop would slide thru easily. Again, thanks for all the insight your share with us in every video. I am going to make a compilation of the whole job and send it to you if it’s possible. I’m just waiting put it all together and try to put this thing in the water to see how it goes :( :) thanks!
Very cool. This is one video you can't run backwards to see how to reassemble it. Please explain setting the tolerances on reassembly in the next video. Can't wait.
Thanks Bruce, I'm looking forward to getting this back together too. :)
The first video I've found showing how much heat could be used on a frozen carrier. I have such a case so may try. My small amount of heat had no effect.
Great video. Very much hit this one out of the park for giving me the help i needed to get mine back together. The dog clutch detent spring and ball bearing, big trouble.. But I got it..
Glad the vid helped you Danny. :)
great work Stu.. im looking forward to see how it all comes back together..
Thanks Darren!
Dangar Marine Hi Stu I just purchased one of your shirts and was wondering if I could get the address where to mail the picture too I can't find it anywhere so I would appreciate it if you could send it to me thanks Butch C. My email is Plymouth 462@ gmail.com
Thanks for your great videos. You clearly know outboard motors, started watching your channel recently after purchasing a used f40 tlrb Yamaha. Love the video about Dangar ilsland. My wife and I have Australia on our bucket list to travel. We live in Florida with similar conditions to yours, but at different times of the year. I have been fine tuning my recent purchase and looking for any problems prior to putting in the water. Again, thanks for your knowledge and thorough videos.
Thanks John, glad to hear you've been enjoying the videos. :)
Hi Stu, just for information. After you cut a threaded rod, grind it at a 45 degree angle on a grinding wheel. The nut will thread on the rod easy ever time. [ Give it a try ] THANKS FRIEND Great info
Thanks Ronald, interesting tip!
quite surprised at how rough that looked on the outside but seemed to weather well on the inside! detailed vid...and i'm glad its you thats gotta put it back together!! LOL
Yeah, unless they have had a lot of salt water sitting inside them for a long time they are generally pretty good internally. It will be interesting to see how hard it is going to be to get back together!
Sounds good I'll be looking fo the sand blast part
I’m more interested in the reassembly, most importantly the thrust washers locations, the correct order and orientation of each part going in and how to get the the spring and ball bearing into the housing without the special tool. Your videos are extremely valuable... Hopefully you post this video soon!! :)
Thanks Chris, it will be a few weeks but I expect the reassembly of this gearbox to be the next video I get out.
As ALWAYS, another great vid, thanks for what you do !
Hi :) I have not seen any boat bulding update fo a while, thank you for your videos best regards from Iceland ...... hummm down under from you :) !!!
Hi Allan. Should be getting back into the boat build next week. :)
thanks Stu. enjoyed
Good stuff Stu
Thanks so much for your videos...i really appreciate so much
! Another great video thanks
Awesome info Stu ..
I need to know how to get the bearings off the forward gear. The inside one and the outside one. Then how to install them onto the new forward gear. I do love your videos u do the best job explaining everything
Thanks
Hi stu I watched video replacing the shift rod in a yamaha lower leg when I pulled mine out it dropped the leaver off the spline at the bottom what I would like to know is there position it should be when putting it back to get her.
hello Dangar i have this 1989 johnson 100hp. the front ot the bearing case has a movement, prop side, the book mentioned about the hydrostatic seal rings??? i dont see it in the drawing from the book? please help
AWESOME WORK STU !!!!
Thanks Brent! :)
Good evening, I have a 4.5 HP Johnson outboard that has a stuck driveshaft. I’ve let it soak with P-Blaster for over a week, I’ve made a puller and tried to pull it out of the powerhead with no results. My question is can I reassemble the impeller & lower unit from the bottom so I don’t have to scrap the whole outboard?
Thanks for tips can a lower unit from evenrude 120 work with a evenrude 115
Thanks mate, im having trouble trying to get prop shaft out of Johnson 55 seahorse
Ik its been 2 years but me to lmao
Just heard about de fire hope everything good on your side
Thanks Eithton, all is fine on our side of the city.
Hello, what is the advance in degrees of the evinrude 50hp? I'm having problems with mine.
I've spent two hours trying to get the snap ring out. I need your pliers.
Hi stu i have a question for you the reverse gear was stuck on the propeller shaft so i can’t get out the nut and the pinion gear do you have any idea how to get the prop shaft out with the gear stuck??
Por error saque en mi motor el tornillo del pivot lever y lo volví a colocar. Puede haber pasado algo???
How is the boat coming? I am torn because I love the repair videos and I want to see more boat progress.
Hey Chris. Boat has been a little bit stalled due to money at the moment but should be back into it in a few weeks time.
Dangar Marine no worries. Just enjoying the content.
Wow, taking on something most people would fine a lost cause and you make it into a saving grace. Looking forward to the follow on work. Oh sent my Dangar shirt selfie to your'e Facebook. Click on the pic.
Thanks Tim. I'll check Facebook for the pic and get it up soon. :)
Loaded it but was not intended to be also viewed on my Facebook page so deleted it. I'm still reading how to send to you only first. Will try again tonight using a different format and setting.
What does it mean when the oil has beige color when i change it
Do you know if it's sand or glass beads? Even glass beads leave a fairly porous finish. I'm interested to see what kind of paint you use. As always you do a great job explaining the process!
I forgot to ask at the time, but from the residue I would say it was macadamia nut shells. They are very commonly used for blasting in Australia.
I love you for this one
I like the use of Latin "in situ". Not heard much from the mechanics I run with! That was a two beer job. I am thinking you are working on that 30 hp for your wood boat.
Hey William. Unfortunately this outboard isn't quite big enough for the boat, it will need a 60-70HP. I'm mostly going right through this motor because I know a lot of people have them out there.
Thank u so much 🤙🏽
Any time!
Great videos and very helpful . I was wondering when would you replace water pump puller and seal ? I believe I have 1979 Johnson 55 hp. Also any service that needs to be done yearly or 10 /20 years ? When I bought the boat from my neighbor all the data plate are gone off the motor so I have no why in telling the exact year or model
A trick I use to date motors is to do a search in Google Images. I type in, for example, 1979 55hp Johnson, and see what comes up. If it's not exact then change the year until you find a photo that matches what you have. I recently did this to "age" a 1970 28hp Johnson. If you dont know where to start then use this handy chart: www.maxrules.com/OMCplugchart.html
Good luck with the search.
George in St. Catharines, ON Canada
Hey Nick, I had the same problem with this motor, only the serial number on the core plug remains. I like George's tips on dating the motor.
How do we reassemble?
Please what is the best way to lean the fuel tank?
What to use as a detergent?
What is the issue? gummed up, rust, water, old fuel? Each has a different fix.
Love your LU videos Bud! It seems like your channel was the first to really show people what's inside a gearbox and how they work. To a lot of people (myself included) any work needed to be done, besides an oil change was a DO NOT ATTEMPT scenario and bring it to the dealership. It still can overwhelming to some even after your videos, but now I know when the time comes to change my seals I won't be as intimidated! What is that type of bearing puller called in the automotive world? I'm will be buying one soon and would like to know which kind to buy. Would the sliding puller be ok, or a turning style(like the one in the vid) be better? Thanks Stu keep it up Bud!!!
Hey Jim. For outboards, this type of puller is available www.ebay.com.au/itm/JOHNSON-EVINRUDE-OMC-BRP-OUTBOARD-UNIVERSALPULLER-KIT-WITH-LIFTING-RING-378103/302697225255?epid=1977791536&hash=item467a291c27:g:0yIAAOSwstxU90eP I'm pretty sure that one I used was sold as an outboard puller, I'm not sure where I got it from now. In the auto world you tend to mostly see harmonic balancer pullers around which can be used for bearing carriers in a pinch.
This channel is magical, thank you!
I have two tweens yamahaa 150hp fourstrok, only with 20hours, one has got a slightly slack on the propeller shaft and slides easier on neutral but other is tighter the propeller berely slides, what can I do to have loosin abit ?
Is there a video showing the removal of the bottom unit? Must it be removed to pull out propellor shaft and gears but leaving pinion gear in place?
What kind of puller is that for the prop shaft?
Thanks for your great videos, they’ve been of great help. I am trying to do the seals on my motor, since I’ve got milky oil. I’ve pressure tested and vacuum and loose a little bit. Just going to do all the seals. Is there another video of putting this back together, or a video or doing seals on and 84 omc ~30hp? I don’t see the seals in this video? Are they on the carrier?
Hi mate. I've put all the videos on this motor together in one playlist czcams.com/play/PLJD0gZGZdCueRlSHBwr5pGNPWpY1VQlHQ.html
My johnson sailmaster4 stripped the connector at the bottom of the engine, there seems to be no videos on the motor and connector itself
link to buy shirts isn't working anymore!
if you do not a welder use two or three locked on the thread bar
Yes, using a couple of lock nuts would work well.
J have a 1984 Evinrude 90 hp VRO.
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I've got the lower unit all apart. Excethe prop shaft and drive shaft.
The splines on the 2 piece drive shaft are sheared.
So when I put the wrench on the pinion nut. And spin the drive shaft. The lower drive shaft is not backing out.
Any ideas?
Is this a trick to get us to subscribe to see how this turns out? I won’t fall for it cause I’m already a subscriber. 😀
LOL, I should always go for the cliff hanger. ;)
My 1973 evinrude is hard to find parts, I've come across a Mercury fourstroke EFI 60hp, not sure if I should get it, can't find much about it as far as to service it, can't even find out if the gas mixes with oil, any tips about this motor, says 2005 on it.
What can I do when the thread holes in the bearing housing is worn out?
Great videos thank you. Do you have a video or any tips on removing a stuck outboard propeller? Not sure if brute force with a hammer and timber block will destroy the seals or propeller blades?
The safest way is to use a propeller puller which unfortunately is a tool you are likely to only need once in your life. Failing that try hammering on the blades using a block of soft wood and tapping on each blade in turn to balance the load.
I've been stuck for months - I have everything out except the forward gear and the pinion gear (1987 Johnson 25). Reaching my hand in simply like you do, I can wiggle the forward gear a bit, but for the life of me I can't flip it under the pinion gear to be pulled out. I've even tried bending a piece of rod, wedging it underneath the forward gear, and pulling/pounding it out that way. No dice.
Help please!
do you know how to remove the drive shaft and prop shaft from a 95/96 40hp evinrude ???
Hay stu i got one for ya how do i remove the retaining nut under the drive shaft seal cover on a 300 yamaha it looks like it. Takes a 4 prong socket deal any advice??? The drive shaft locked up and is frozen stiff
Can't say I've see one personally but I would either make up a tool or try drifting it around with a punch.
Thanks yeah i had to make a tool wish i could send you a pick of it so yer fans could see it to because it is a real pain to deal with
Hi Dangar, after removing the retainer nut of my 40hp etec lower unit, I'm unable to get the driveshaft out. I've made a DIY clamping puller but I'm afraid to put any more force on it than I'm already doing. Have you got any tips? Marten
Do you know if a 1984 Evinrude 70hp gear set will work in a 1984 Johnson 90hp gearcase “housing”? Thanks in advance
What is best to degrease a fully dirty greasd engine?
We use a gel type degreaser that we get in a 20 litre drum.
I see I have a lot of work ahead of me this spring. 😅 great video as always fella!
Quick question though, any chance you have that manual for that engine digital? I’m gonna be working on my old evinrude and would love a copy of it .. 😇
Thanks for the great videos 👍😎
Hey Roy, I only have a print out unfortunately, but you can generally get them as PDFs on either readmanual.com or tradebit.com
hi stu just wanted to say thanks!! your vids have restored my hope of getting my grandpa’s ‘85 Johnson 50hp running again...what would be the best place for parts online? cheers from honduras
You have amazing fabrication and fitting skills you should work on 84000kw engine not this small engine
Am sure you can hand over super tanker with me
NEW VIDEO IDEA: Stu, when my I/O dies, is there such a thing as a mount on my transom where I can easily field attach a trolling motor or similar to get back to shore? I could keep it in onboard storage when not in use. Please do a video on types of emergency backup motors. My boat is too tall to use the required paddle. Also, how do we send you a picture through CZcams or where is your email listed? Thanks.
Hey Bruce. What you are after is a think called a Jack Plate. With regards to the photos, the best thing is to use the Dangar Marine Facebook page or you can upload it to a sharing site and just post the link in a comment.
I would like to asked you what side propeller I should use in my 130 hp johnson
A little off topic, but I have a 1985 - 1989 Mercury 80 - 85 Thunderbolt engine. No engine markings any where on the motor. I am trying to find out what water pump impeller to purchase. Would you know a source that I can look at to determine what water pump impeller to purchase? I enjoy your discussions and your helpfulness. Best Regards.
It can be very tricky when you don't have the exact model and year of the motor unfortunately. Is there a serial number on any of the core plugs in the engine block?
Dangar Marine, i have a outboard was trying to out lower unit on and pulled it back off and drive shaft is stuck in upper unit and tight in there, but cant put holes in it to get it out cause i just got it to repair the motor, its a old 6hp johnson seahorse
That is unfortunately one of the tougher parts to get apart if it is corroded stuck as you can't get to it to apply any real force or heat. Tipping it upside down and running some PB blaster down the drive shaft with a straw fitting can help.
the shaft its corroded as all its pretty clean actually, i think it might have been a few mm to long and is forced in there from when i put lower unit on, ill just try flip her over and try what you said anyway, thanks for the reply aswell mate cheers
Great vid Stu. That front prop shaft race looks like a bugger to access, and it seems like it's still in there. What's the plan? Re-use the old front bearing, or use a new bearing with the old race?
Thanks Paul. I'll probably replace the bearing and the race just for the sake of making the video on it. If I was just using this motor for myself though I'd reuse everything as the bearing seems fine.
I have a few questions. I just followed this video to replace my prop shaft due to bearing and shaft pitting (1987 Evinrude 20hp). I was able to do this without removing the lower unit from the engine. Upon removal the spring and two balls came out. Do they go up inside the pinion gear shaft? What are the function of them? Do they hold something or act as a detent? Do you have the assembly video for this? Thank you sooo much for your efforts and time. This was the only vid I could find with my particular style lower end.
Hi mate. The springs and balls you are talking about are the subject of this weeks video. Should be up soon. :)
How do you not break any bolts on a salt water motor? By the look of the case I was surprised that it came apart. You didn't even break any on the cylinder head.
A lot of it can be luck, but I think you eventually get a feeling for when a bolt isn't coming, even after you rock it backwards and forwards for a while. Then I will go to heat and penetrating oil to try to get it out.
I look forward to a vid on dealing with stuck bolts. No matter how careful I try to be I still end up breaking bolts. Great videos love your work.
Totally unrelated to this video but I have a Johnson 60hp when I turn it over with spark plugs in it’s a no go, with out it spins over ok any ideas thanks
With spark plugs in the extra compression makes it harder to turn the motor so it could be a weak starter motor or a bad electrical connection between the starter and the battery or the battery itself is weak.
Great stuff Stu. Do you have a PO Box for ordering t-shirts?
Hi mate. T-shirt orders are all done online here dangarmarine.com.au/collections/merchandise/products/dangar-marine-t-shirt
Dangar Marine I've tried to order a couple online but every time I hit the add to cart button I get a message that says 'your cart is empty'... I'll see if I can get one of my more savvy online mates to help me sort it out :-(
hi bud need your help on some parts for my tohatsu M35A seems to be no real list on a service kit for one can you help
Often brands will just sell individual components rather than a service kit as such. I just go down to our local Tohatsu dealer and get him to order the bits I need so I'm not sure I can be of much help.
Gday Stu I have a Seamaster battery like the one on your bench. It’s flat as a tack, can it be recharged and if so how Thanks
It really depends on how often it has gone flat. If it has only happened once or twice it should charge up okay using any car battery charger from an auto parts store.
Dangar Marine thanks Stu
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Does anyone know where to find the outboard shaft removal tool used here?
I think I got this one from SnapOn.
What kind of puller is that
I think they are sold as flywheel pullers.
Are they Dangar stubby openers?
Alas, no.
How many times did Arn laugh at you bashing away at that leg?
He's the one that always says, don't be shy, hit it harder!
First. Your are best stuu
Thanks Kevin!
Has anyone offered to send you some 1/4 inch drive SAE sockets yet?
Not yet!
Looks like the lower unit rarely came out of the water.
Yeah, was definitely a typical local commuter boat.
NEW VIDEO IDEA: I desperately need a video on disconnecting a heavy boat's trailer from the truck's ball hitch. Often I'm removing the pin and letting the tongue slide out from my truck as I drive forward. Finally the greased ball falls out of the hitch cup. Rocking the truck, slamming on the brake forward and reverse, hitting things with a hammer... occasionally works. How do you properly disconnect a heavy boat trailer? My trailer jack is being dragged and damaged.
Hey Bruce, I have suffered from this a few times recently. Really what I like to have is a wind-up jockey wheel that is tall enough to lift the boat right off the hitch. Unfortunately the hitch is quite high on my truck so that doesn't always work depending on the trailer, but if it is your trailer and you can set it up with a jockey wheel that will do the track it is by far the best way to go.
Bruce- how heavy is the boat and trailer? the rough guide is 10% of the towed mass to be on the tow hitch, but that only works for things like box trailers, caravans, car trailers and boat trailers with inboard engined boats. Boats with outboards set up a unique load balance setup for the trailer. I find that about 40-50Kg (mine is a bit light at 20kg, but I have no stability problems when towing at 110Kph) on the ball is enough for almost all outboard boat trailers because the trailer axles are typically at about the 80-90% total length point. That gives a very long /narrow triangle which is inherently stable , most other trailers have their axles at about the 60% point of their overall length. So basically what I am suggesting is that you may be able to move your trailer axle / s forward and take some of that ball load off the vehicle.
Also check your tow ball is the right size ( you can get a 52mm ball into a 50mm hitch if you try hard enough) and the slack adjuster on the hitch is not too tight ( may be one for Stu to do a video on)
You skip the one part I needed to see
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Where do the spring and balls go please
There is a hole in the prop shaft - one ball goes in, then the spring, then the other ball.
here is a trick you will never forget. When the bearing carrier is being stubborn, forget the pullers and slide hammers and torches. remove shift shaft. Place small blocks of wood in frond of gear housing. put prop back on with washer and nut. tighten nut. it will come right out.
So this would be pulling on the propshaft itself?
yes. it pulls the prop shaft that then pulls the carrier out. But you must first remove the shift shaft....on most models anyway
works on merc/yamaha. Maybe not on that old OMC
My dumb ass listened to your dumb ass and my brass prop nut just stripped out. Worst YT comment advice EVER.
U talk to much in practical u don't know much about service
Ok