Hovers Are Actually INSANE - Beyond All Reason Gameplay
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2023
- Beyond All Reason (BAR) is a free to play Real Time Strategy Game. You'll find plenty of gameplay, guides, commentary and tier lists coming up for BAR on this channel.
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You didn't mention it but after taking out the warden, calling for that push + your teams quick response opened up the front for your jaguars to clean up after, that communication was huge imo!
It is so funny watching the journey Drongo is taking through the BARs meta. From wind to solar. From backline to frontline. From bots to vehicles. Now hovers, which are widely regarded as d** s***, which in my opinion is absolutely wrong. Keep the videos comming Drongo. See you on the battlefield. Cheers.
When everything is meta... nothing is.
@@nickf950 True. I was using the term ironically.
From 30 minutes of eco to early hover raids. 😂
Thank you for giving me something to watch when im bored at work lol
I wonder why he just doesn't mix one solar at the start when the wind is so bad. You can always reclaim it later.
I don't go for wind exclusively anymore, I always start with at least 1 solar.
The footprint of bots is very small in general; they're tall. The footprint of vehicles is generally only second to ships with ships being the chonkiest units. Aircraft sorta don't have footprint because they're flying which is a huge part of their advantage.
The hover's build range isn't particularly different from others, BUT their build lathe is quick to deploy whereas the bots and vehicles have to go through an animation to unfold themselves which slows them down. The hover constructor has a footprint between vehicles and bots, so they're small compared to a vehicle constructor but large compared to a bot constructor; more of the build range of vehicles is taken up by the vehicle's footprint, so bots and hover have more effective build range even though the absolute distance is the same or very similar across constructors.
One of the things that XFL did in that other match was sought to use hover to immediately take the island patches of metal and underwater mex adjacent to the straits. If you go hover start again, you might consider that; it is why XFL went with a 4 hover constructor opening. 2 develop land--one for geo and the other for mex--and the other 2 went for water development. Also, the hover can be very quick about reclaiming trees, rocks, and other debris, so don't be shy about using one to get that early game burst of resources.
This game is looking like it's going to be my new RTS to play! I've never actually played multiplayer in an RTS (except co-op in Starcraft 2), but I think I'll try it with this game thanks to your vids!
Also, would you mind doing a widgets video? The game is everchanging with many mods, so I would love to see what you use as I've gotten used to your videos and would love to see my game look like yours! Thanks a bunch man, love the content!
It's also free!
Drongo consider some options to test.
About wind, I found out that making one energy storage is a big safeguard against wind problems instead of making so many wind mills right away.
Both hover and amphibious tanks have their strenghts, I have destroyed entire bases with 4 amphibious tanks rushes or with 3 hover tanks rushes, more or less the same cost
I prefer the amphibious because if my front do shit I can quickly switch into vehicles, but you can also start hover, reclaim and go vehicle, not much of a difference
If there's no wind, then jump-queue a couple solar collectors
Hover into T2 vehicles is a great idea!
I've been thinking Hover into T2 vehicle into combat engineer (Consul or Twitcher) could be a really strong play.
This hover rush reminds me of the OTA blitz rush from back in the day. It's definitive in the first few minutes because it can be such a solid raid, although it does drop a decent bit of metal into the enemy back line.
Are you still able to clog enemy vehicle plants with your wrecks? The best old cheese-strat against a blitz rush was to push your own smaller rush quicker and get at least one mini tank to block the opponent's vehicle plant output. They'd have to specifically stop and reclaim to clear it. It was one of the odder downsides to vehicles. In the same way, you'd need two tanks to block an old bot lab and it looks like the new bot labs are wide open and unable to be blocked?
"Lately, I've been getting terrible wind on this map".
Bruh!!
I gave you the shuriken ASAP - I had the same wind issues you did!
amphibious units in general are just the bane of my existence on this map.
It definitely pays to just sit down and look at all the units and buildings for potential, and not just for figuring out new tactics but also having alternative choices more quick to recall when you get hit by stuff like a long period of very low wind.
spacebar brings up detailed unit information when it selected ;)
Hover go hover water and cannot be targeted by torpedoes. I like them
Make a vid about how to counter ghosts.
There's a building about it but when the enemy doesn't move it doesn't track.
Tick spam seems to work well but that's expensive for early game.
1 Stealth tank is enough to killed 1 or 2 back line players.
Wind? Mother nature and rng says screw you.
But the sun is your constant unfailing companion.
"why are we so low on energy"
My man, you normally build bots and reclaim trees for energy
Hover also have special speed buf on ice...
Good play with hovers. But you really gotta put at least two or three solars down wind is not always the best
How do you get to see metal and energy consumption for buildings? For me I have to hover my mouse over my screen to see the consumption...
Well done drongo. Now all my geo teammates are going hover in the geo spot. It’s not all bad though, the other team is doing it too…
Yea some one killed me with hovers in that spot
Probably best to have auto-repair as a toggle-able.
There's no reason not to have gone into a few solar T1 early and eat em later
EVERY GAME.
I go hoover!
damn, hover it's this powerful? gonna try 'em
Since when hovers can build t2 vehicles factory 😮
yeah that fact is a game changer, straits meta continues to shift
They can build t2 shipyard and seaplanes (which is considered t1.5 by some) too.
ALWAYS. Since hover was introduced in the Core Contigency twenty years ago in TA. :D
@@KAClown A lot of us new people (including me) to BAR are totally unfamiliar with Total Annihilation. I had to use Google to even figure out what TA meant in this context.
@@JaimeWarlock Total Annihilation is one of the absolute longest lived games with an active community stretching back to its release in 1998. It distilled the RTS genre into a very simple formula based on the two resources of metal and energy and the less tangible resources of attention and time. It so perfectly captured one particular wide ranging model of RTS games that it had virtually no competition going forward.
Starcraft and Warcraft were the main competitiors, but they diverged increasingly away from the formulae that TA captured. That divergence created the MOBA and the more rock-paper-scissors style of games.
TA was something of a victim of its own success, and its intellectual property got lost in a corporate network of cascaded failures of the early 2000s. The community for TA however remained active during the entire time and is one of the major modding scenes that created many many industries and technologies in the contemporary game development community.
BAR is a continuation of Total Annihilation through the modder's Spring Engine. The Spring Engine was a community led open source reconstruction and improvement of the TA game engine. BAR is a reconstruction of TA with new assets and IP. Mechanically, they're virtually identical in terms of build costs and times and build power and unit statistics.
Supreme Straits is an evolution of the TA: Escalations mod map, Supreme Conflict. taesc.tauniverse.com/?p=maps
It's a very cool game, and I'm glad to see it revived in BAR. The similarities between them by the way means that old GameFaqs and strategies that worked for TA can be adapted to BAR. The ol' hover start and rush is one of the big metas from the early 2000s.
The bots, vehicles, and ships of the game are from the original Total Annihilation game which was multiplayer capable but originally balanced and released as a single player campaign experience. The multiplayer though is why the game became popular, and it was expanded and rebalanced somewhat during the era of a network of massively multiplayer action called the "Boneyards" before the parent company collapsed. An expansion was made and released called Total Annihilation: Core Contingency that added a bunch of new units including what y'all call T3 units as well as hover, amphibious vehicles and units, and seaplanes (the T1.5 units) with the focus being on rebalancing towards competitive multiplayer games.
First game I ever learned to mod.
I'd suggest trying a followup to the scout hovers with a more serious push with some of the other hover units - that might end the game even faster if the other team is still reeling from the scout attack when they come in. Cover from some antiair hovers would shut down those T1 gunships that were chasing down your scouts, a few hovertanks would prevent LLTs from stopping you from getting into a base, and rocket hovers outrange almost everything in T1 including HLTs. Something like 5 hovertanks and 2 antiairs and rockets each wouldn't stall your boom too badly and that could easily wipe a couple of players' bases and trigger a resignation vote if they aren't prepared for them. Also, if you're playing Cortex, they have a heavy hovertank that's basically a T2 unit, just one of those by itself early would be a monster even if you threw it at the frontline. And one more thing, if you're making hovers, you should send construction hovers over and grab all the mexes on the islands if your navy players aren't grabbing them, that's a lot of metal income.
"Theres no wind!"
MAKE THE SOLARS THEN
Wind goes low, make a solar or two
Wind goes high make wind
Dont be so strict you can only make wind very silly
Drongo I’ve been loving the BAR content and have been trying to play a bit with my AoE buddy. We do not understand counters at all in this game. I would so so love if you made a video about how the units work for the new people! Or if you have a recommendation for another channel!
I'm confused.
How could you afford this without 30 minutes of eco?
gg wp
I find it funny that people call this a spiritual successor to Supreme Commander when it is literally just a copy paste of it. Only difference i see is a graphical change, otherwise its exactly the same.
...it's a much more copy paste of the original...Total Annihilation. Supreme commander 1 was a spiritual successor of TA. For this game the names of the teams on this are even a direct reference to TA's Arm and Core. If you want to call it out, that's what it is. Just a heads up.
@rakkel6061 oh look, someone that thinks they're doing something by being semantic of it copying the original, to which point, no its not. Total Annihilation played much more as a traditional early RTS, like Command and Conquer and Dune. Supreme Commander was a spiritual successor, yes, but it changed a lot of gameplay aspects and made it much more wide scaled. This does not play like a traditional RTS like TA, but plays like SC, yet changes nothing. It is a straight up copy of SC.
The most important difference is open source. Widgets and other such things are literally game changing.
But yeah I was watching a Legion fight and when the pawn cannon came out I damn near spit out my drink. Good memories there but it's a LITTLE too on the nose!
@@cyanide7270 I mean this is virtually identical in all the major ways to original TA:CC as I played it like twenty years ago. There's some value tweaks here and there; a lot shorter range on certain units and particular static defenses, but otherwise, almost everything I learned about TA:CC applies here. Even the popular maps haven't really changed all that much.
solars are a thing
I've been telling people that hover is a very flexible start but no... no one wants to try anything new >.>