Wood Floor Refinishing FAILS! (YouTubers Called Out!)
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- A compilation of wood floor refinishing FAILS by CZcamsrs, complete with critical, yet bumbling non-sensical commentary!
I give my thoughts on sanding floors with orbital sanders or finishing sanders, as well as sanding wood floors by hand with a palm sander or handheld belt hand sander.
Please look out for bad advice on CZcams, from people telling you how to sand and refinish your hardwood floors having only done it once themselves. Click around and watch as much as you can and absorb as much as possible. Obviously, I recommend my videos ;)
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Are you watching this after having already sanded your floor, it went wrong and NOW you come to youtube to learn? Fess up! Tell us your story, tell us your woes!
MATTHIAS FANS:
I am not, in anyway, trying to suggest that he is misleading viewers.
Yes, he is a genius. I recognise that.
This video is for entertainment purposes.
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Yes, I rented the random orbital sander from home depot with the 3 pads to refinish a red oak floor, started with 36 grit, and it was taking forever to remove the original finish and stain color. I actually strapped two 25 lb dumbells to the sander to make it go faster, which practially melted the pads that hold the paper. I did the edges with a Dewalt random orbital, and angled it in places to make it go faster just like you said. When I finally thought I had the floor ready to stain I used Minwax dark walnut, and it looked terrible in places with parts of the floor significantly darker than others. I was not about to polyurethane such a mess, and through research and videos like yours I learned my lesson, went back to home depot, rented the sander again, re-sanded the floor went through the grits properly, and ended up with a decent floor. What I can say that I learned was don't be afraid of the drum sander, you need it, and that sanding is the most important part of the process. Don't do that right, and you're up the creek without a paddle. Good video, wish I had watched it before my first attempt.
catagoryv thanks for your comment, I’m glad you sorted it in the end!
I have basically the same story. I watched the third video and went and got the 3-pad random orbit sander and just ruined a whole day. Found your vids (among others) after that and now I have a good looking floor! imgur.com/a/fQzZk
Great job Aaron! Thank you for posting
This is Floordon Ramsay
DUDE UR THE BEST PERSON IVE EVER SEEN
best comment
You cow! its rawwww!
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Awesome! :)
I can literally watch a video about ANYTHING as long as it's someone pointing out what someone else did wrong
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czcams.com/video/FxoTwEdbbgQ/video.html lemme know what you think
Well it's got a good point behind it, good emphasis, nice use of caps in an important word. He could have put "literally" immediately before "ANYTHING" to modify it directly, and I'd have liked some kind of punctuation. Solid effort from a young talent.
@@googiegress7459 did...you call me a "young talent" from a youtube comment? Thank you, I suppose. That's nice of you. I appreciate your critiques.
Queue him watching german antisemitic speeches from the late 1930's
This video helped me immensely this weekend! I refinished my 70 yr old hardwood floors, and it looks amazing! The one bit about going a little deeper to get to the low spots gave me confidence. I felt it was just eating way to deep but I got everything level. No low spots or dents! Wife is ecstatic 👍🏻
Glad to hear that well done Jason!
You could have left some of those "dents" and been perfectly fine. A 70 year old floor should show some character. Sanding too deep removes all of that
@@dilldowschwagginz2674 Potato, potahto ;-)
This is sanding overkill
When this man said "hard pine" with an American accent, I lost it 😂😂😂
I know !! that was awesome
Also when he says "a mask" lol
Yes, that and "mask" had me rolling. When I was a kid, I had a good friend that was a Brit. After we would get good and hammered in a bar, he would begin to work on his Texan accent and refuse to speak in any other, uh, "dialect", indignantly telling people all about his ranch in Lubbock. We got tossed from quite a few bars back then and almost got our asses beat on more than one occasion, but man was it funny, him mixing the British humor with a horribly mangled Texan accent.
Cheers Roger, wherever you ended up!
Ahh thanks for pointing that out, that was funny. 😭😅
I American and I can confirm we are not the smartest bunch...espessially since we use random objects as measurements...feet yards some guy named miles...and there all stupidly inconsistent...feet 12 inches inches divisible by 4...miles...5080 feet I believe it was
Pointing out the errors of someone's methods and techniques may seem petty to most but I find great value in it. You can learn a lot from someones mistakes!
Learning from others’ mistakes is what separates us humans from other apes.
True, I watched some of those videos and didn't see much wrong until this guy pointed them out. There are a ton of babies on here acting like he did something wrong calling them out.
I'd consider it guidance rather than criticism. I'm a floor layer by trade and did a very small amount of floor sanding during my apprenticeship many years ago and this is all spot on advice. Obviously these people are trying to do things cheaply as floor sanding is not a cheap game if you have to pay someone to do it but the results are so different they're not even comparable to be honest
That's all I've had in life... Learning from other mistakes
Personally I just found it annoying that he used the middle video which was of a guy experimenting on a section of the floor to see what he could do with limited tools just before professionals were already hired to come refinish the floor. He also included a disclaimer in the video that it was not an instructional video but rather an experiment. So many options out there to complain about so why pick that one. At least he gave him credit for his ingenuity.
The algorithm seems to have struck gold again, like all others below, I know nothing of floors but watched this. Its interesting that you're pointing out the problems with the algorithm showing amateurs videos rather than pros to people who may be looking for advice and yet its the only reason im watching you now :)
@Marc Hauser I love this theory!!!
I have 20+ years of carpentry under my belt and finishing floors is no joke. I leave it to the floor guys because they have the experience do it right the first time. Great video, well done
I've learned to do it myself, my first job wasn't perfect, but presentable. The main things is just common sense, so many of the mistakes are due to ignorance. Like the guy applying poly over wood that had a lot of water content. Having 30 years experience in other areas make me less likely to make mistakes, even on stuff I've never done before.
My house is 200+ years old. All of the dings,dents and other marks tell the story of the people that lived here before I did. Thanks to the local historical society I know who built the house and that it was once a sheep farm,an apple orchard and a B & B. I smile when I walk up the old narrow stairs-you can see the worn path all those feet took climbing up to go to bed! I ❤️ and cherish every ding,dent,out-of-square doorway and wobbly window in the old place. I’ll take old and lived in any day over brand new and perfectly level...it’s weathered centuries and kept its inhabitants safe and warm...🏡
Yep, a new house only stays new a short time. I've seen many new houses with nail pops and generally shoddy materials.
@@SD-pi9co the same can be said about centuries old homes. Your point makes zero sense
Why am I watching this....
so i guess this was suggested to you to ?
Same.
I’m high and watching this at 1am so
To learn from other people's mistakes?
ExoticSenta nothing better than a sanded floor
Though I fully agree with your criticism, it would be helpful, as a professional, to impart a solution.
He does after each clip, listen a little more attentively.
@@livelovely4681 No, he doesn't, you're delusional if you heard any solutions.
He does. Instead of expecting a one-stop learn-everything in a single video? Take 5 seconds to look at the multiple videos he’s posted in addition to this one. I am grateful to see what NOT to do before attempting DIY methods that just waste too much time and money. And potentially injure my back.
The best solution: Hire a professional.
I know it's hard to hear in the age of CZcams DIYers but really, you need to buy or rent very expensive equipment just to get started, then there's months or years to get the muscle memory and skill required for the trade. No matter what, it will look amateur and you'll only waste your own time and money.
He says use a floor sander or edger! Damn he says it 100 times. So you have no excuse for a stupid ass comment. Tons of people watch videos and these idiots are gonna be responsible for tons of people with shitty floors.
Don't sell yourself short. You are a great presenter. Thank you for the insights for us DIYers.
He is like the voice in my head when I renovate my home.
3:19 “Oh, look, he's tickling it, tickling it.... and the floor's laughing."
James Aaron Plunkett I busted a gut when he said that!
i was so excited to learn a floorer persons vocabulary omg
Yes that was so funny
I died.
My fav part Haha
Lmaoooooo I’ve been doing hardwood floors for almost 5 years & even when I first started I’ve never done any of these things smh . Great video made me feel better about my work lol
Kampos G literally every pro says the same on this video 😂😂
@@HowToSandAFloor Hell, I'm a DIYer who's refinished about 10 floors at my rentals, and (1) knew never to do any of the things in this video, and (2) hired a professional for my own house! LOL
If you think those people ruined their floors, you can't imagine what I had done in mine.. I'm so frustrated I came to watch videos of people messing up with their floors so I don't feel so alone, but my result are def the most disasterous one so far. The belt sander (with 36 sandpaper) didn't flat it out (maybe the wood is too hard) leaving the old marks on the sides. After two days trying, I gave up and finished it anyway. Cost me so much money, time, energy, mental and emotional health. I'm NEVER diy anything EVER again! Grrrr
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Im a sander guy. Its not easy as the video show. You need a good machine 220volts . U cant rent this from home depot or somewhere.
I used to do a lot of wood finishing in the day. My wife wanted me to do our wood floors in the living room this month. "No way," I said and we hired a pro. Our pro had a hell of a time with this 66-year old floor. Near as we can tell, the previous owner had wanted to refinish the floor some 25-30+ years ago, however, ran into some problems with a large pet stain and abandoned the project (explained why only a small part of the floor still had finish on it). Nevertheless, this floor was then left unfinished and had carpets thrown over the top for those 25-30+ years, and that raw, unfinished floor was then subjected to more pet stains, water stains, and general abuse that were a pain to get out. Our pro stayed good on his word and stayed on the project. He had to replace a few boards (that old pet stain I spoke of) and used some vintage oak flooring boards that were 74 years old that he had salvaged from another old house, to stay true to what old oak flooring looked like back in the day. He also used that old lumber to create/cobble thresholds/transition strips to the bedrooms, bathroom, kitchen, dining room, and entranceway. My wife's comments after he was done: "Is this gorgeous or what?!?" People, hire a pro when it comes to your wood floors. Especially floors that are over 50 years old...that quality of wood does not exist anymore. Don't eff it up by doing a DIY job!
I totally screwed my floors
twice. Just call a pro and save your marriage.
Lmao
Hey I'm not married but I'll whip you up a "How to save your marriage video"
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Its only "screwed" because of whoever gets to choose what they want. Do you not realize, that in really high end custom homes, they will actually pay extra to bring in old barn wood and used, beat up 100 year old flooring and want to put that down still beat up and scrated.. Because it gives an authentic 'Rustic" look. And here you are paying someone else to sand your floors character away just to make it a uniform piece of plastic trash. lol.. beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Best decision I ever made was just to let the pro do the floors exactly the way my wife wanted... that way if it wasn't perfect, THEY could appease her :D Of course it turned out AMAZING
I like watching professionals look at the work of amateurs and critiquing it in a constructive way. But you seem to have found a few videos on amateurs doing things and then rephrasing the words "That's wrong" in about 50 ways. You explain how what they're doing is wrong without following up with how they could do it right. "This kind of work would take forever", well? What kind of method would speed it up? "It's got to be quick, and it's got to look good" Is that you stating that, or are you explaining what amateurs think?
This video is baffling.
Be careful, if your comment gets enough traction about how much of a piece of shit he is, he'll just delete it. Funny how HE cant take criticism himself, but i guess that's how you live when you have no back bone.
Can't wait for the comments and the Like/Dislike ratio to be disabled.
@@Lollipop99ss Very Well said.
Did we not watch the same video? Every time he explains how the machine should be used instead, or another machine, or another grit, the very last comment he made was that it is worth sanding down to dents that seem too deep. You litterally must have zoned out every helpful comment he made in order to percieve it that way. Watch it again and take note every time he says what you should do instead, what would have produced a better result, or otherwise inform you in some way.
@@matszz you're obviously in the minority. The OP posted exactly what I was gonna post.
I mean someone could tell him how exactly to use a green screen but I’ll just tell him he looks like the freakin jolly green giant with a massively inflated ego
"there are so many professionals that upload videos and don't get any views"
give them a shoutout and add some links.
czcams.com/video/g5p1FPavj3c/video.html
This is one professional.
I have been a tile guy for 34 years, but I learned hardwood floors for a year from a guy whos dad did it bigtime in the Pacific North West in the 50s through the 80s...And taught my friend to the point of mastery. He would say exactly what you say...So don't be intimidated to speak your mind...It is what people need to hear...Thank you for your breakdown. You are not being judgmental...When one refinishes a floor, it should look new...Unless they want rustic. Hardwood floors are not for the weak. Even little flaws are hugely evident...It is a trade that seeks perfection...There are rules to follow, especially during install...Wood deserves the respect of precise technicians. Plus, every customer deserves your best effort. A DIY is easy to spot, But a professionally done floor is fabulous like a Michaelangelo....And worth the expense to have it done right...
maybe a professional video editor will use this video to talk about bad green screen attempts. :)
Darin Beard doubt it, this is standard is fine, and he’s also not claiming to show people how to use a green screen.
@@DARKOvibrations I think he was making a joke.
Matt Hibbs and i think i was making a point
@@matthibbs2871 maybe a comedian will see this comment and talk about bad joke attempts
Lol i kinda wanted to but it was already boring enough.
"The floor's laughing at u..."
I lost it lololol.
Subscribed.
I have tiled floors, yet here I am watching this all the way through.
Hard to turn down good advice.
Thanks-this was just what I needed to see! I’m about to sand my first floor, and it’s just as important to know how to do it right, and wrong, and to know what wrong looks like. This video is a real warning to learn what you’re doing before you start. As much as you can without having actually done this before.
This is video #6 or 7, and each one teaches me more. They’re all pro floor refinishers with years of experience, with their own tips and techniques, and the do’s and don’t’s. Why anyone would want to watch someone else stumble through it for the first time is beyond me.
I don’t even have a floor to sand yet here I am
CZcams is a weird place... or are we weird for watching??
@@lulem400 Hilarious. I do have a floor to sand and right now I am less capable of getting it done properly than I was when I got here. I know some of the many things NOT to do.
lulem400 just misssssssss my 100 year old hard maple kitchen floor! That guy could be a government worker and thinks "that's good enough"
Haha, yeah I have tiled floors, yet here I am watching.
I actually enjoyed your video. We are literally about to redo old oak floors from 1940 this week. So we definitely took your advice and spent time watching the “pro” videos to make sure it’s done right.
I only clicked this cause I recognized Matthias’ room. Matthias is known for improvising and engineering low cost solutions. He is an amazing engineer with a long running successful CZcams channel and a successful career in engineering. His approach is humorous and genius cause if he would have rented a sander he wouldn’t have a video to show as that is not what his channel base enjoys watching. You must understand how Matthias thinks before passing judgement. Years of watching him allows some insight into his genius.
Mathias is great. The video starts playing and I started chuckling, I watched that video some years ago.
Matthias is a genius! I've been watching him for years.
Thank you so much for your critique . Good points to consider when hiring a reputable floor refinisher. Some jobs are best left to the professionals and it seems refinishing hardwood is one of them.
Why did I watch this and read so many comments? I know nothing of floors
fiAnten I thank you none-the-less 🙏
I don't even have wooden floors but this was entertaining lol
Exactly the same here. 😂😂😂
yup the same here lol
Yup.. Same here. I enjoyed every second.
mathias wandel is an unbelievable woodworker who makes a lot of his own tools, albeit sanding or staining is not his forte he does a lot of things by trial and error which is part of his attraction, he also does not affiliate himself with huge tool companys like so many do here on you tube
In hardwood flooring you need the BIG NAME TOOLS because they help you achieve the perfect finished product.As a profesional hardwood worker i find this disturbingly ugly.Wandel found a niche to do his videos but that doesn't mean that he is doing the right things or that he is actualy a good woodworker and the finished job is a good job.
@@silviusoporan9556 I have bought big brand tools that have been useless and also cheaper lesser known which have been brilliant, also used so called pro's for jobs that too have failed to impress, not all I may add. Each to their own I suppose and he (wandel) will have to live with his floor, he has found a niche and like minded people like him, especially those that can't afford huge prices that big brand tools,timber cost
@@silviusoporan9556 yeah, clearly testing final products, and plain evidence showing the things he makes last for decades doesn't mean he's done a good job.
And his niche, is him just doing whatever the fuck he wants, and just uploading the videos.
This guy is a sad sack.
I did think I recognised Matthias' feet! Definitely a delightful woodworking weirdie.
@@silviusoporan9556 Mattias is a retired engineer, and has been woodworking and tinkering for more than 30 years. If any of you had actually watched his video, you would remember him saying that he was refinishing the flooring by trial and error because he had a professional crew coming in a few weeks to do it properly.
Thanks for posting this. I am watching videos on restoring old hardwood floors before I get started. I live in a 160 year old house with the original hardwood floors. They were badly neglected and was that way when I bought the house in October 2019. I am at process of restoring this house back to its former glory.
I've redone my own floors once before and am amazed how it seems no-one makes a convenient sander for corners and tight spaces!? Hand sanding in closet corners is no fun.
I’ve been in the flooring business for close to 30 years, and yes this is painful to watch. We always start out with a drum sander using three different grits. Then an edger to get corners and hard-to-get spots. Then a disc sander with a fine mesh. And finally a random orbital sander to get anything you missed.
The drum sander doesn’t only take off the old stain. The primary purpose of the drum is to level out (flatten) all the high and low spots and make the entire floor uniform. So if you do not begin with a drum sander, you will not have a flat and uniform floor.
Another thing I don’t see these people doing is sanding across the grain at a diagonal from one corner of the room to the opposite side. For floors with more damage you can take a second pass going across from the other angle, making an X across the floor. This is what evens all the boards to the same height and levels high and low spots. Only after going across the grain should you take a single pass along with the grain.
And I don’t like the drum sanders they rent out at the big box stores. They’re far too lightweight. The sanders we use are large, and they have a heavy weight attached to the front. But they probably rent the lightweight sanders because homeowners will just end up putting a giant hole in their floor with a heavy sander.
There are a lot of fine details that you learn as an apprentice that you will NEVER learn from videos or trial and error. I can not overemphasize how important it is to create a completely dust free environment before you begin to apply the final finish. We vacuum the ceilings, light fixtures, the walls, door and wall trim - we literally vacuum everything, and our rooms are dust free. This makes all the difference in achieving a truly professional final product.
Corner to corner both ways is more than a little extreme. Look in the book for your big sander. Prob says 10 degrees or so on the first pass, not 45, followed by a pass with the grain.
Chris H So you’re assuming that all rooms are a square? . . . LoL!
And besides, I was generalizing for the sake of emphasizing the importance of an angle, dipshit.
Just 80 that bitch. They’ll never know.
Keith Mills. LOL! Knocked out 10’s of thousands of sq. ft. With that 80 drum/edge For the big shops in the 90’s when everything was natural or light. No boasts about craftsmanship back then. Easy money.
Then came the 2000’s and EVERYBODY had to go dark, and “None of those light spots between the dark spots”.
Multi-cut, Waterpop, the whole nine yards. Beautiful products done the right way, but can’t say I didn’t miss those 90’s big money weeks and early days.
Well, you better do all that tech shit! You're getting PAID FOR IT!!
The people on those videos are saving money by doing it themselves, and since they're not getting paid to do it and are happy with their job, I think they're remarkable!
You and the jerk who made this video live off of it, so yeah, make it look spotless! DUH!
i applaud you for catching the "what not to do" in refinishing floors, Thank You
Sand with the run of the grain and stain/poly with the run of the grain and you won't go wrong. Any flaws become known and accepted as batina
I have to leave a comment. I have been installing and sanding floors for 20 years in America. I have never looked up doing floors because I do it everyday. The guy talking for the video knows what he is talking about. I haven’t watched any other videos by him but you should listen to his advise. Everything I heard him say sounded correct to me
6:32 “I can’t bash him too much but...” starts bashing him. 😂
Mathias is a clever guy, and he never claimed knowing how to do it, he was just trying things like he always does.
How to Sand a Floor acknowledged this above. The floor video Matthias published is as much about how tenacious and inventive he is on a project.
I agree
MW also say in the end of his video that this is NOT a pro job learn from My misstakes and that it might be worth to pay someone to do the..
Floor
SCH sch, it's not about his tenaciousness and inventiveness, but about his arrogance and refusal to due the simplest google search. I cringed watching Matthias' flooring video. He clearly didn't even google how to do it the proper way. Just assumed that his smart engineer brain could figure it out, and he absolutely disregarded every bit of prior knowledge and expertise on the subject. He just dove head first into his ideas, without even checking to see if there was a better way, then he posted it as what, entertainment? It was embarrassing. The guy overthinks absolutely everything, he started rubbing me the wrong way a little while ago, and the flooring video was the last straw. I have been absolutely turned off by his whiny voice, tasteless and overengineered builds. The video of him and John Heisz comparing their box joint jigs is perfect - John's is simple and elegant, while Matthias' is over-designed, complicated to use, and cumbersome. Perfect microcosm of Matthias' personality - overthinking everything, and accomplishing something that's not even necessary or useful, at great tedium, taking as strenuous and overly complicated route to the final result as possible.
Matthias Wandell, is an engineer, and woodworker, known mostly for making wooden machines.
And that’s his problem, the engineer side of him thinks he can mathematically make anything work. His floors looked horrible. Some of the other things he does is horrible also.
@@joem5332 he’s a great woodworker, but design and aesthetics are not his strength at all.
A tip~ As you critique a video~ 1) state the fail. 2) state the recommended equipment/products to use for the job. It's more precise.
Great job on the video
I'm glad you mentioned the Rotex as a viable power tool to refinish a hardwood floor!
Not for everyone of course, and it still takes a long time to get the job done properly (not to mention your knees that won't thank you).
Still, very doable, even for big rooms, and a very cheap option as long as you can get your hands on such a tool.
So hilarious because I watched the first two videos he showed. Even before I knew anything about refinishing, I knew the first floor looked terrible. I ended up renting an orbital sander for my first two sandings (36 / 60) because people said it is a safer option. It took about 4 hours to get most (not all) of the finish off in a small section. I took it back and picked up a standing drum sander and it was four times faster compared to the orbital sander.
Sam N thank you! Read em and weep people!
So, here's what I do to my own floors. If an area gets rough, I scratch up the worst of it with a slightly coarse random orbital sander making no effort to get down to the bare wood, only to let the new finish bond (key) to the existing layers. Then I go over the parts that I sanded board-by-board, using a foam brush exactly the width of the board with one thick coat of water-based polyurethane. The random sanding marks are almost never visible, and any dings that are not fully filled disappear the next time around. The new coat almost never peels and having done this multiple times, none of the boards stand out as different, since the ones surrounding them have gotten similar treatment at one time or another. My floors probably look a little worse than a perfectly re-finished floor, but they look a lot better than the typical floor does halfway between refinishing jobs. If I ever sell the place, I'll give everything a light sanding and a thin final coat, to unify the surface, given that people will be viewing the rooms empty and with no rugs, but given the way it looks now, even that might not be completely necessary. Since it's only small areas that get most of the wear, this method never takes much of my time, and believe me, I'm not one to throw away time on things like this.
Hahaha! "Don't refinish your floors by trial and error." That one got me good. Good advice.
I agree, I have been a carpenter for 42 years and I am still amazed how a person can post a video on CZcams when they've done one thing one time! Seems like they are so proud of themselves that they've accomplished something that they need to share with the rest of the world. Lol!
You're the Simon Cowell of wood floor refinishing.
TheTarrMan 😂😂 best comment so far
How To Sand A Floor yeah the rest is just people shitting on you for being unlikeable 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😃🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪 AMIRITE FELLAS????????????
Nicholas Hillyer harsh
*Jim Stirling
Simon Cowell is funny though?
okay, so then what do you reccomend doing? if you really want to help and not just hate, don't just rip on these people, tell us how to do it better ourselves
Jsarbour I think he got vids on his channel
he actually recommends watching proper professionals and not people who did it once then they make a ''how to'' video
Thank you. This was very helpful. I am doing my floors and don't want to mess up. I saw the first video and was concerned that it wasn't right. Thanks so much for helping with guidance.
I guess the people who did it themselves were trying to save $$$ and they seemed happy with their result. No harm done really unless you're restoring a heritage building? Then you'd call this guy! Everyone's happy! Yay.
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This video isn’t meant to be constructive but a rant, because some of his biggest customers are these DIY guys that wreck their floors and call him in to fix the mess.
The problem is that people want perfection, they do this because they want the floor to look new, but is doing all the wrong things to get there so they don’t get that new look. His point is that you either do it properly, or just throw gloss over it and call it a day, especially if you are looking for that rustic look.
In order to do it right, you have to have the proper tools and knowledge. To do it properly you have to sand the floor right down so it’s perfectly even to the same level of the lowest dent. Then you have to vacuum all the dust before your application. The DIY guys don’t get the proper tools for the job and don’t use the tools in their proper roles. They don’t understand what they are doing and end up making the floor even worst than before.
The real problem is when people watch these videos of it being done really wrong, then think they know what they are doing. I flip houses and it's so sad to tell someone that while they thought they increased the value of their home, I'm going to need to spend at least 10k to fix their work and it's dropped the price of their house, by a lot.
The harm is that these armatures are showing other people how to do it the wrong way, causing them grief when they find out how much work they put in to end up with a horrible result.
Don't post "how to" videos when you don't know what the hell you're doing yourself.
In most of those cases, you could easily do a better job w/ less expensive equipment. No harm done? I mean, if you're looking for help and get mislead by these doofs and destroy your floor, that's kind of an issue...
LOL this is a great video. I feel the same way when I see other "how to" videos. My favorite line: "They think it looks great, but if I did that I wouldn't get paid!" Isn't that the truth
Sandman Floor Refinishers truth bombs
in the US,. not getting paid for work like that may be the least of his problems as Its not uncommon for results like that to cause immediate physical violence, I've seen examples of this firsthand .
i'm sanding my 111 year old pine floors tomorrow. I am so glad I found this video.
Hope it went well!
I have owned a sanding co. 25!years and these videos are hilarious. The equipment makes a difference. Get drum sanders and an Edger. Cut floor 2-3 times. Thanks for sharing.
What's funny is I almost tried to do our pine floors from watching the first video. Thanksfully we hired professionals and I was amazing it took them a full week...as in two people working out took them a week!
I learned how to sand the floor by watching karate kid, my floor looks good and I can block a front kick now! 😀
good workout, too!
Great sanding but didnt you keep taking the wax off?
l0l
I love your American accent when you say, "Hard Pine". You should do an entire video with an American accent.
"Heart Pine"
I learned to sand the floor by watching The Karate Kid. "Right the circle, left the circle", "Breath in, breath out".
I don’t know why so many thumbs down! Hardly a hater video. Just someone passionate about doing a GOOD job and showing us what NOT to do. I’m refinishing my floors this weekend and this is helpful. Keep making videos my friend!
“this must have been soul destroying “
lol so funny the way you put it
While I will probably never want to sand a floor, watching you work is astonishing because of your artistry. But I did love this post
Thank you so much for this. Very informative. I was headed out to get a hand sander in the morning because I’ve been watchin these videos. U just saved me from a LOT of mistakes!!!
Matthias’s video isn’t something to help people out.
It’s just a video on his experiment.
I know and I'm not really hating on him, but my channel is about how to sand a floor, and thats not how you do it, its as simple as that really. I have taken a look at some of his other videos and they totally blow my mind sometimes, hes clearly a genius. Some of the things he makes and with such precision! I cant even fathom
Well my point was that it could come kinda as rude
Jeremy Clarkson checkout all his other videos, the most helpful out there, this is just different content i guess as i saw LOTS of shit videos like the one he is covering here and its annoying for people like me who want to learn the right way.
If you want to learn the right way you shouldn't be on CZcams in the first place
It's interesting that you are defending matthias, despite the fact that he had it easiest in this video, the first video got absolutely destroyed, but you dont care about him. Interesting.
Thank you!
I would have done the same thing - tried to get out the dings instead of taking off more of the wood like you suggest. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Thanks for watching! I honestly thought people would take one look at a 20+ minute vid and just ignore! lol
How To Sand A Floor - I'm grateful for the helpful information!
Hey mate, just stumbled across your channel. I'm a floorsander and installer myself in Australia and I love your critiques and advice.
Keep it up brother!
It's actually pretty common for people to request that the flaws in some hardwood floors remain visible. Especially if the house is historic or just very old. Quite a lot of people actually view the flaws as some kind of timeline or echo of what has happened in the home. Especially if the home has been in the family for generations. If that isn't the case, the first dude is a clown. If that is the case, he nailed it.
It’s not the case 😂
I know the correct way to finish a wood floor using the correct sanding equipment, but why didn't you tell us what you would have done differently? Let us have a look at your wood floors, or the floors you have done.
medahwowoman true
Yep. Solutions would be lovely.
Andrea L look at his fucking other videos for fucks sake.
I agree what is your correct way mr accent? Lmfao like no real advice on the correct way he didnt need all these examples video is too long get to the point what is the correct way to do it mr perfect!?!?
Alex Greer you idiot, read the rest of the posts that will direct you to his channel where he has NUMEROUS VIDEOS of him doing floors. Not to mention the name of his channel... you mouth-breathing buffoon
I once finished a living room floor , last room in the house . It was about 6pm . Packed up then couldn't find my car keys......They were on the mantle on the other side of the room.
Buahaha!! Classic!!
Took me a minute to get that one. OOF
He walked home
Duh fukkkkk...... oh man, growing up is fun brother
Lol
tysm for this video! I just discovered hardwood floors in one of the rooms of my house, and I'm probably going to rip up the carpet. I have noooo interest in trying to refinish it myself, so the most I will do is clean it and maybe apply a rejuvenator. If I decide to have them refinished, I will definitely hire a professional! Thank you for your detailed analyses of these videos & explaining why some of these techniques aren't a great idea!
Landlords tend to hire cheap labor quite often in the inner cities and other investment properties. As a realtor I see these atrocities on a daily basis. Love your videos!
I notice you point out many novice errors which is OK, You also mention that taking out all the cupping and dents/dings is the ultimate goal.
In many cases the previous damage is such that there would be not material left in many areas if damage removed completely. The object often is not to make the floors to look new. Rather make a very bad floor look better and be serviceable.
I did like your explanation of how people do expect the work to go much quicker than it will be done.
Sanding and refinishing hard wood floors is Hard work, A committment to the time and effort required is essential to a reasonable result.
Please if you are going to present the Fails please show how to do it differently so the fail would not have occurred in the first place.
CCC Detective that’s what my other videos are all about.
These imperfections could be sanded out with a more aggressive sander, no problem. With that square buff he can’t of taken much more han 0.5mm of wood off the floor. It’s only in rare cases is there damage that’s so deep it can’t be removed, but that’s usually localised to one area. Unless someone is going around and dropping furniture all over the room, on the corner, no protection.
Pitch pine is hard!
Your experience must be different than mine on how much material and warpage there is in the existing floor. I deal commonly with Oak and buildings in the 60 year and older range Hardwood usually refinished at least one time previously. in many cases not enough material left above tongue & groove to make leveling practical.
I did enjoy your commentary and what sounded like actual surprise at the novice errors but the guy with the scraper came up with a good idea.
Have a great day and watch out for splinters
CCC Detective I just sanded a 70 year old sapele parquet floor, it had been sanded several times before, it was in a sorry state, it was fairly close to the tongue and grove. We sanded it perfectly clean again. So I guess our experience is different.
If it’s already sanded down so far I tell the owner to tear it out and replace!
How To Sand A Floor "fairly close to the tongue and grove"....you are full of shit! You might as well say it was 300 hundred freaking years old and you got it perfect. You might be ok at sanding floors (not such a tricky job as far as trades go) but you are also up yourself. The guy you were responding to sounds more knowledgeable than you.
This comment is great. It is the common misconception. Floor sanding is not so tricky 😂😂 not if you don’t give a damn about the finished product.
I thought it was fg hilarious. I also learned some important things that I will use as I refinish my hard wood for the first time. Thanks for a good video.
I've installed a few hardwood floors but only once (the most recent) did I actually sand and finish it. I used a floor sander but quickly learned that it takes some skill to use it. You have to be very consistent and keep moving. Linger in one spot, even for a second or two and you can very quickly create a low spot that might not be visible initially but shows up after varnishing.
I will be refinishing a hardwood floor of around 35m2 this summer. The wear on it is significant in some spots, through the old varnish.
My plan is to get some sort of planer in there to take off 1-2mm without spending a whole day on first sanding of it. I'll remove the baseboards as well as there is a lip there from a previous sanding probably 30 years ago. The walls will be repainted too so when baseboards are removed, I can do the walls before I do the floor. This should avoid paint stains on new varnish.
It's a strip-floor with a 10mm thick top finish and a 19mm backing so heavy duty and should be ok for another sanding.
Wendel Matthias is a very smart gentlemen, which is why his bizzare floor video confused me. This gentleman's reaction to it was priceless and deserving. If you're gonna post a video like that, you're gonna get roasted.
Well done, "How to sand a floor"
I commented just that to a couple of other people. He has amazing inventions basically, then he goes psycho on the floor with a hand held belt sander. Seemed like a completely different and incompetent person. I'm not surprised to see that video on this "Fail" compilation. However, on the Flip side Matt's video did say trial and error so at least it was not a "tutorial". Still works as an example of what Not to do.
Quick honest question: let's say you have a 100 year old wooden floor. How would one go about refinishing it while at the same time keeping the old look to it? My point is, you talk about making a floor look like new, but should that always be the ambition?
No, I like them looking old and dinged, I like the black look In the grain. You may as well just have new flooring put down as to spend all that time sanding. If you’re going for w new look lol 😆 especially on softwood
I loved it when you said if i did that i would not get paid. But the person doing it says it looks great lol. Ran into that alot back in my construction days :)
it makes me happy to hear you say to do it properly would take 2 weeks, im just finishing my first one now and to get to the point of staining (today) its been nearly 3 weeks. i thought i was taking too long to do it but i refused to stain or seal it until i sanded it down flush
drink everytime when he says 'absolutely'
Damn bro ..... some of these dudes are just tryin to rent the property, not win a prize in better homes and gardens.
Lake End haha
That's funny af
Then why put it online? It's just more trash to sift through for people looking for good advice.
They shouldn't be on here showing people how to do something if they really have no clue. I remember watching one of the videos before I saw this and I didn't see anything wrong until a pro tells the truth. Only one of those videos pretty much said I really don't know what I'm doing and it showed. The others were a bunch of fake pretenders.
@@chrisshore9000 well said.
Thanks for this, it's actually super helpful seeing what NOT to do, and having those mistakes explained.
Yeah...
"Don't do it yourself, hire me"
Most on point diy review I’ve seen ever! hardwood floor man for the past seven years and this stuff gets under my skin!!
I live on a tropical island, we dont have wood floors, why im here?
@Kreator SATAN lol so i cannot be a whale? 😂😂
Bloodytulips s don't listen to them u look fine.
@Kreator SATAN she ain't even fat though lmfao you just mad your bean pole ass would get worked by her.
@@fox10169 nah verse for me dawg
Because you need a nigga with a hardwood floor to buff you out
When you have realy old wood floors i think you shouldnt sand it to mirror finish, think the dents and voids give it a good old rustic look almost like an old western bar.
You are right. Rich people pay me good money all the time to dent and scuff there brand new hardwood floorboards and then finish right over that lol. It's almost criminal that I get paid to "weather" their floors.
It depends. I refinished a 100 year old lobby floor in a log hotel in Yellowstone. The aged look would have stood out in bad contrast. The finished polish highlighted the original quality that the hand labor accomplished.
I actually like the floor lol
Old wood floors in my experience are never tight enough to be made to look new.So either embrace it, or tear it out.
No it really doesn't. Unless there's gonna be a new trend called DIY Chic
Well i did sand my hardwood floor with an orbital palm sander. I sanded all the old shellac off of it because it was a mess. Surprisingly it turned out really nice. Got it down to the bare wood. The room was 11x12 and took me about 3 hours to do. I applied water base polyurethane and it turned out great. It looks a lot better than what it was before. I am happy with it.
I’m glad it turned out well. But don’t you didn’t remove shellack from 132ft in 3 hours with an orbital palms sander. Chances are you didn’t even go through the finish, shellack is extremely gummy and clogs the abrasives.
Maybe it was an oil finish and a really flat floor?
If it was that easy, you wouldn’t have thousands of professionals spending tens of thousands on 200lb machines and spending entire days on it.
@@HowToSandAFloor Your right i think it was an old oil base finish. The sand paper really didn't clog, it sort of just got less abrasive. I went through about 20, 60 grit and 15, 80 grit disks. I did make it down to the bare wood for sure. I used Varathane water base polyurethane on it , 2 coats and it came out good. Maybe not a professional job but ok for my home. Thanks.
That accent change made me feel like I entered a parallel universe!
Thank you for calling out bad advice and fake videos! It hurts to watch people ruin their homes and brains with false information - the compliments are a great way to combat however crude your judgements might seem. Need more polite YT callouts like yours
Do you have a video on how to correctly sand your floors? That will help instead of wasting time on the bad way to do it.Thank you!
Well, i mean he does have videos on how to make it right
Actually watching a pro explain what not to do helped me far more than any DIY tutorial. Seeing the techniques and results from horrible DIY jobs prevented me from making the same mistakes. If I had seen this video a year ago it would have saved me an hour of watching bad youtube tutorials that offered bad advice.
I agree with mostly everything this guy says. I do find that I have to cut in the edge with a brush and around floor vents. I'm curious about what your advice would be concerning old water stains under old carpeting.
You are right. I'm just about to finish sanding my livingroom (33 mt2 of hardwood floor) using a hand belt sander, the floor is looking amazing but it has taken me a long long time to get to this point. You see, my floor was not even from previous bad jobs and it took me around 6 hours to sand just one sq meter. Also worth mentioning is the amount of sand belts I have used in the process (maybe around 50). It is doable but I would not do it again and do not recommend it. Still have to do the second sanding with 120 grid, but considering what I have already done I do not mind. I like your video, a lot of these people do lousy jobs and congratulate themselves.
As a professional I see alot of people trying to attempt this, youre better off hiring someone and your living room will have finish on it in 3 hours
Thank You for your comments. Knowing what not to do is equally important as knowing what to do
I will upload a video from my own experience beautifying my hardwood floor. Look for a video entitled "FINDING THE PERFECT AREA RUG".
For DIY peeps a lot of those results are acceptable although wouldn't be up to personal standards, respect to them for trying on a budget without festool kit like u mention
I dont recommend using festool for DIY, it's just extremely popular. The rental machines they have at home depot are excellent. Festool only make hand tools, and although the rotex is the best hand sander for floors, its still sanding floors by hand which is a lot of hard work lol
You can rent the proper gear from home depot for a very affordable price and do the job right. I have no respect for people that make "how to" videos and don't bother to learn the proper way to do things in the first place. These idiots are extremely annoying when you are actually trying to find someone who knows what they are doing, but you keep ending up with these idiots.
This is just the second video I have seen of yours and I am so glad I found you. I am trying to finish my own old hardwood floor which is in terrible shape (old and terribly worn) and watching this video has helped me so much. I can see what I am doing wrong and now I will know how to proceed. Thank you.
This video is the best! As a professional flooring contractor I can’t believe what people do.
I have absolutely no idea why this is in my recommended feed, but I love it. Watched the entire thing. It was amazing
I have never sanded a floor (but been a tradie my whole life) and this had me mesmerised haha. But It does make you cringe when someone is doing something so wrong and you know it..
When I had 4 dogs + floorboards = I would have loved to have found you!!
large and excitable dogs destroy floors, if you have a large excitable dog together, whoa, just kiss goodbye lol
I wont tell you about my 70kg Alaskan Malamute and Doberman we had when I was a kid then.. lol
I’ve always used Clark Super galaxy drum sanders, Clark edgers, a finish buffer, corner scrapers rags to wipe stain on and off, 6” edge brushes, and lambs wool brushes for the center.
Great video I was thinking of resurfacing my hardwood floors myself but not any more - thank you. I am now Googling to find a certified hardwood floor professional in my area!
thank god! someone has said it! when I was young I worked for a professional floor company......and i could have only dreamed that what these guys in the videos did was what we could have gotten away with! what laziness! it's not an easy job, but i really loved bringing old homes back to beautiful with just the floors.......good job!
Laziness? Finishing their own floors to a standard their happy with?
What's the definition of laziness?
When I was first looking up floor refinishing techniques, I couldn't believe how some of the guys with so many views were actually proud of such an awful looking end result, which, had they decided to do it right, would have served them well, taken less time, increased the value of their homes, etc. I hand it to you pros when it comes to sanding floors. On my project, I really tried to do it right and not cut corners. I took my time and did a bunch of research on refinishing techniques on a big floor refinishing project, and it turned out beautiful with only a couple of rookie mistakes that only I'll notice. I sanded about 1100 square feet in a matter of 24 hours, which was a total of about six passes between all of the grits I used including the edge sander, then used a buffer with a screen to blend the edges with the floor. I took my time getting them clean in prep for the clearcoat. Like I said, I hand it to you pros. That was back breaking work and it took me several days to recover. But the end result of doing it properly really, really paid off, and I'm constantly having to tell people "no, I will not help you refinish your floor." best tip I got from this channel was to use a super fine grit sandpaper on the drum sander to get the feel of it; this way you don't learn it on a grit that can damage your floor. Because of that tip, I kid you not, not one stray mark in my entire project from the drum sander.
Thank you! I was wondering how to "get the hang if it" without messing up the floor. I think I will use that tip, and also start on the cupped sections.. Most of my floor seems to be in pretty good shape...I guess they have been under carpet for most of their 55 years.I had a plumbing mishap and the carpet tack strips are being a bitch to pull up and I have only pulled up part of the carpet. I expect it to be at least a few months before I am ready to do any sanding. I also have cat urine stains in a small area. I am thinking of staining the floor a darker color...or maybe a strategically placed area rug. I am not very picky. I will cut as many corners time and money-wise as I can.
People have different standards. I think most people who had the money to hire a professional would. I am poor and will likely do a half-assed job as quick and cheap as I can and let the next homeowners do it right.
@@lydiahubbell6278 staining can turn out really badly if the sanding isn’t perfect; any mistakes made will really show up there. I’m sure I’d be much less happy had i done that because I’m sure my sanding isn’t perfect by any means. However using an oil based sanding sealer will give the floors a beautiful amber hue (get the pets out of the house for a few days if you’re using oil based stains or sealers). I have a former rental property. I’m one of the rooms, I had a tenant that let his iguana pee all over the floor, and it absolutely destroyed a small section of the floor which meant I had to replace some boards. However a number of the minor water & pet stains did go away, or become unnoticeable with sanding. Best to use your best judgement there. All told, with rental of tools and finishing supplies, the whole project cost me maybe $500. Far cheaper than hiring a pro. But I’m patient and fairly meticulous
The guy from 6:25 onward is brilliant yet completely nuts. I feel like I'm watching Pee Wee Herman's breakfast machine.
That's Matthias Wandel, he's an excellent woodworker and a genius engineer.
I appreciate your feedback. I've realized that IF I'm going to do this, I need to be thorough.