How to Never Lose at Tic Tac Toe
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"How do I know all this? Well I read the tic tac toe wikipedia page"
And teachers say it's the most inaccurate source on the internet
I'm pretty sure he paid the guy from Wendover to read the Wikipedia page.
We all belong to youtube university which is better
Actually I found the strat when I was a kid.
Hey it's you again
My resume: Wikipedia scholar, CZcams university graduate, Reddit detective, Google maps geographer.
3:32 "Mathematicians, who apparently have nothing better to do"
As a math major, this is both hurtful and true.
As an engineer major, yeah makes sense
I believe game theory is worth that insult
cs major can relate
@@JohnSmith-kj2od game theory deserves every insult.
@@SpecterNeverSpectator.. sounds like I'm missing something here
Why exactly is game theory hated
I do like that Giraffe of Interesting is becoming a real full time character.
They could bring back corollas tho
Giraffe as interesting
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Giraffe as Interesting has always been an integral part of the show and is already established in the lore as a recurring character
what are you on about. he’s always been here. as has calf as interesting
I'm here for a different debate, either way it's established that right now giraffe as interesting is a full time real character. So what's his pay? Is the wage hourly or by commission, is it full time or part time. I NEED THE ANSWERS PEOPLE
I was half expecting him to say "Step 1: Don't lose"
Exactly thats expected but he needs to make the video interesting so yeah
Half
Chess in a nutshell
That's a half as interesting fact, thank you!
Half as expecting
Figured this out as a kid and became a tic tac toe god
Yes I peaked in elementary school
same, but i used to play middle
The trick is to not spam it or they'll eventually go first
Same I was the best in my skl
@@FalseRadiation if they go first then you just have to go middle and then go inbetween to force a tie
Same. Actually everyone was confused why I'm not going middle in the first move, so THEY moved in the middle, so most of the time game ended with a tie.
When I was second, the output of the game was more random since I didn't figure out the sure tie strategy for some reason.
I remember discovering some of these on my own as a kid and feeling like I’m some kind of genius or something
Same, I found out about most of this by myself as a kid
I was pooping one day and was board so I decided to look at every possible tik tax toe outcome
@@tavasp Tik tax toe sounds like something on the IRS website for kids
@@pearspeedruns lol
Well in my mind youre still a genius
once me and my friends figured this out in middle school, nobody ever won a single game of tic-tac-toe ever again.
Oof the secret was out and everyone lived a disappointing life until they died
That why I never told anyone in primary skl
Then place it in middle, it's another solution
Took you middle school to figure that?
There's a bit more to it then starting either in the middle or a corner. Start from the side to stump someone who thinks they got the basics figured out. Mathematically, the odds of winning are smaller but psychologically this works better against more experienced players. This line of play is covered in the wiki page but not the one way you could end up in a winning "fork" position when you do not go first. It requires your opponent to make a mistake that only veteran players tend to make. Tic-tac-toe is figured out for sure, just not quite in the way most people say it is, which goes for much else in life too. Have fun working it out!
Both giraffe as interesting and calf as interesting in one episode
What's this , a crossover episode?
well it was a long time coming. both are long running returning characters. should have predicted it really
@@eelsemaj99 Exactly, I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised that these two characters are in this video
BoJack referense, nice
But it was the medium-necked Giraffe. Wasn't that the extinct one?
@@JasperNLxD he was only acting at being extinct
That's why where I'm from, we always played tic-tac-toe in an "infinite" board (like a whole page), where you have to collect five marks in one line. That way the game is much more interesting, with way more possible outcomes.
And math notebooks in school were perfect for it.
I think you would like Go. It’s basically what you just described.
@@eliturner7963 Maybe, I'll try....
@@noamz9527 Exactly, the magic is in the simplicity!
Tic tac toe isn't fun on its own but it makes a good building block for better versions of it
This video just showed me how to never lose at Tic Tac Toe
@@LNB627 LUMBAGO
What a coincidence! Me too!
This comment told me that @LlL Odinson saw how to never lose at tic-tac-toe.
@@LNB627 I think so too
@@TracyNorrell This comment told that @Tracy Norrel saw how @LIL Odinson saw how to never lose at tic-tac-toe.
Up next: How to win at Newark Airport using: Wikipedia, transportation logistics, and red clay bricks.
You can't win at Newark, all you can do is suffer
No no no that will be on the totally unrelated CZcams channel Wendover productions because it's planes
@@noobsquad2652 But... bricks
you never win if you end up at Newark
🤣
I never lost at Tic Tac Toe, and now everyone knows my secrets. Thanks HAI.
Stop being boring and learn side theory then
I’m boutta win every argument ever with this knowledge
You: *starts argument*
Person 2: no, you're wrong
You: *moves to the left*
Not at all
5:31 The girl in red goes through a whole bunch of emotions in a few seconds! 😂
There's Niagara Falls down there
One of the first things I ever coded (that wasn't a part of my course on how to code) was a bot that plays Tic Tac Toe against you and will always win or end in a draw if you're smart enough to counter it. It took a couple days to code it all, but I was really happy with the result considering that I wasn't following anyone else's instructions and figuring it out all on my own. Coding that bot has permanently burned Tic Tac Toe gameplay strategy into my brain.
That's pretty cool
2:12
"Ultra weak, which coincidentally happens to be the same kind of jokes we have in these videos"
Self burn those are rare
Not on this channel they're not!
@@TOSkwar22 literally exactly what I was going to say.
you must be new here
@@quw1556 oh no I was with this guy since Wendover was his only Channel oh, I just thought of mentioning his humor style now
@@cplhotpockets wtf are you talking about, HAI and the guy from Wendover are totally different people
2:15 Sheesh, that was brutal.
Let me get this straight: You comment something that is unrelated to the fact that I have two DANGEROUSLY DASHING girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest CZcamsr ever, having two hot girlfriends is really incredible. Yet you did not mention that at all. I am quite disappointed, dear qwe
@@AxxLAfriku My Lord, please forgive me. I was merely pointing out a roast of utmost brutality to the individual who espoused it. I apologize for the inconsistency of me not recognizing the true magnificence of AxxL and his two DANGEROUSLY DASHING girlfriends.
But true.
@@AxxLAfriku god I could not care less
@@AxxLAfriku ?
Glad to see the return of Girraffe as Interesting. By which isn't a big deal or anything, he's always been your mascot after all
lovely to see the return of calf as interesting too. nice to see them finally in an episode together
This is one of the reasons why we never play 3x3, we always play 4x4 and 5x5 or even higer if we feel like it
Amazons is a better game. Numberphile has a good vid about Elwin Berlekamp and this game.
Do not play 4x4, it's a guaranteed win for the first player, it's not better, same for higher level tictactoe
2x2 tic tac toe needs to be invented
@@bruce4139 first player will always win no matter what position
@@hurktang you must be trolling
How to never lose at Tic Tac Toe:
*Step 1: Don’t play it*
Which you would already know if you'd watched The classic 1983 movie wargames.
*Step 2: Done*
2 uploads in 2 days? What universe is this?
"the only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"
Global Thermonuclear War is a strong solved game, as there is only one winning move.
My first thought as well haha
Fun fact: Tic tac toe is called "boter, kaas en eieren" in Dutch, which means "butter, cheese and eggs". I have no idea why.
This is the most Dutch thing ever.
Tasty breakfast,.
“and the calf wins in purple” it’s clearly blue but only purple when it’s out of focus
I first read the title as "How to Never Lose a Tic Tac"... Definitely got me curious lol
Giraffe as interesting is BACK! Wooo!
what are you on about?? he’s always been here
Hey Sam, good job on this!! Even if a few few details were a bit of, you clearly put in a lot of effort to understand a complicated topic, and I appreciate you.
Hey Sam, good job on this!! Even if a few details were a bit off, you clearly put in a lot of effort to understand a complicated topic, and I appreciate you.
What detail was off?
🗣
@@boiimcfacto2364 You are new here, aren't you?
@@boiimcfacto2364 Here, this is what Ricey Boi was talking about: czcams.com/video/K9gnRs33NOk/video.html
@@61rampy65 GODDAMIT how could I forget 😂 Ngl feeling like a disgrace to the HAI fandom 😭😂
Actually, ultimate tic tac toe is a very nice variant, which is basically a game of tic tac toe in every field of a game of tic tac toe.
It makes the game all of a sudden VERY interesting.
What if they tie
Sam's getting pretty good at this CZcams thing, would be a shame if he uploaded to the wrong channel soon...
I don’t know what you mean. Sam only has one channel.
@@funnycat9962 yeah, theres sam and the dork at wendover productions
He already did it once, I got the notification. He just took down he video right away and put it on the correct channel.
@@tealmer3528 It’s a JOKE, we all know he did it, on pupose too after the first time.
He literally only did that once. Stop banging on about it.
Back in 1980, a Computer Science class at Stanford had us write programs in 4 different languages, including APL, a dense, math oriented language from IBM. I wrote a one line APL program to play tic-tac-toe that always won or tied. The program mirrored and rotated the grid to match patterns in 3x3 matrices that mapped out all possible moves, just as described in this video.
I figured out the tik tak toe 'never lose' strategy independently 20 years ago.
Also you can have a never lose scenario from starting at the middle point. And if you play against an opponent who knows these strategies and always plays first, you can draw all the games no matter which moves he takes.
This is probably why there is no tik tak toe championships anywhere.
All games will lead to a tie😂
We may not know the technical jargon, but any self respecting adult figured all this out by the time they hit adulthood.
I was playing google tic tac toe and got bored after a 20 win streak and this is the first thing i see when i open youtube.
hilarious video... you guys ROCK!!!
Finally a video i can appreciate and use in the real world
I remember discovering this, and destroying my classmates for weeks until they got suspicious of why I always never lost if I played a corner (I used to occasionally place my move somewhere else to mislead them).
Bro I dont even need to watch the whole video to know that this is going to be a banger video
This video unironically helped me study for my upcoming AI exam which covers this specific topic. Half as Interesting just became fully interesting.
i looked at the title of this video, my eyes widened and i immediately clicked on it
Alternate title: how to never have fun playing tic tac toe again
Fun is overrated
back in 4th grade this was all implicit knowledge, learned from many, many games of tic tac toe. we used to call it "the game" - meaning, that's what we'd call the strategy that let you win every time.
I actually discovered these myself when was I doing some practice/analysis on this game to defeat my friends
I actually thought this was gonna be another brick scenario but nope actual Tic-Tac-Toe strategy guide.
2077: How to never lose at chess
Love the vids
Thanx for the advice, I think i'm ready to go pro now
Me: I have to study for the next weeks exam
Also me:watching vid about How to Never Lose at Tic Tac Toe
Next week ? I have an exam tommorow 😂😂
I have to study for five exams (writing them all within 14 days), and I'm watching this too. I think I'm screwed
Yeah I feel the pain.
Thanks man, now I can always make a bet with my lil bro
ikr, giraffe as interesting is my favourite mascot since I was a child!
Not surprised at this awesome crossover of giraffe as interesting and calf as interesting, just very pleased.
"Well I didn't read it, I paid a writer to read it for me because years earlier I read the Wikipedia page on Capitalism." 🤣
I knew this. Regardless, your content I hold to a high standard because your channels are many ppl fav. This felt a bit like a copout . I do appreciate the video though!
Thanks Sam.
"Do you want to totally ruin a fun little game from your childhood?"
Monopoly did that when I realized it was a game AND the current state of the global economy.
Don't get me started about the card game called "War".
Never buy hotels on monopoly
Minimax? damn i just learned that on Python
this is one of the best transitions to the sponsor I have ever seen
Yes please
I remember learning min max algorithm in class. This was a very interesting way to explain it . 👍
Pls make a guide for Rock, paper, scisors XDDDDDDDDDD
have you seen an anime named "no game no life"? go see it if you haven't, you get your answer, and ya you're welcome.
@@harishrajnish7207 yes i have, but i need the half as interesting reboot XDDDDDDDDD
@@Charly_5V nice, actually I would also like to see that.
The major problem would be how Giraffe and Calf can demonstrate the hand shapes.
Hey Sam, good job on this!! Even if a few details were a bit off, you clearly put in a lot of effort to understand a complicated topic, and I appreciate you.
great explanation to the minimax algorithm!
I remember doing this as a kid and feeling frustrated that the other kids sometimes were so dumb to not take the middle one multiple times in a row.
Strange game. The only wining move is not to play.
How about a nice game of chess
This was so much needed
But not now
Yay for introducing subgame perfect Nash equilibria!!
"chess is nothing more than a game of tic tac toe" there I said it, who can recognize the reference.
no game no life
@@davidothecheetoh6832 true man of culture, I respect you.
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@@gameenthusiast12 ruined it
How to win at tic tac toe?
"Move to the corner."
giraffe has interesting is genuinely a recurring character at this point
Great video.
Glad to say myself and my friend figured this out in school while "studying"
When HAI ends up teaching you game theory in 5 mins
When you figure out the three-corner strategy.
"Universe has at least 1000 atoms." Seems legit.
basically, if you go first, go in a corner, and there are 2 continuations:
-if they move on ANY edge, play in the center
-otherwise, try playing in the opposite corner, otherwise just play in a random corner.
And then continue by playing "naively": win if you can, avoid losing.
Also, a game like chess could theoretically be solved, but it would require a lot of work. Antichess was only weakly solved (White has a mate in
The comedy in this piece was A+++
Same thing if you go centre first, if they go middle of any side you have won, if they go corner its a drawer.
Worked that out when I was 10 or so. Also, Noughts always go first in Noughts and Crosses.
Already knew this. Taught myself how to never lose
Wait I wasn't expecting this video
There's a simple game I sometimes use to annoy people. You start with three piles of matches: with 3, 5, and 7 matches. Players can take as many matches as they want per turn from any pile, but only from one pile per turn. The objective of the game is to make the other player take the last match. If you know the winning combinations, you can always force a win whenever you go first (and whenever the opponent goes first but makes a mistake along the way). It doesn't even matter which pile you take from first; as long as you take only one match from any pile you can always force a win.
I actually managed to figure that out when I was bored in school, didn't know it was the best strategy
Hey, I came here for something half as interesting- this was way more than half!
1:16 it's also possible to go in the other nearby corner they block then you go in the middle and you get two diagonals for a win.
Ah yes, very very basic queen's gambit.
I already knew this strategy. Now maybe my opponents will know the strategy. Thanks a lot HAI.
as a computer science student, i loved this video finally something i can relate to.
I always like your videos, because Giraffe As Interesting is always in them.
I like how he is in all of your videos and has always bee n a mascot of this channel.
okay but i’m impressed that i figured this out as a child
Yes
The Most Important answer. Now I am Undefeated
It's amazing how subtly the film "Crash" was able to tell John Nash's story
Figured all of this out as a kid. Tic Tac Toe is very simple. Two competent people will tie every time.
I figured this out on my own already
I've always used the corner strategy
Nice!
Love John Nash and everything game theory!
True!
Nice transition at the end👌🤫
So from now on, all tic-tac-toe games will be ties.