Backlash: All Around BEST LINE for Throwing Swimbaits
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2021
- Mike Gilbert discusses what he feels is THE BEST all around line for throwing swimbaits.
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You say it's just your opinion, but your opinion is highly regarded and respected, so we appreciate your insight on the topic.
Gilbert is a class act! Straight forward and humble as they come! 🙌
Thanks
That’s all I’ve fished for the last 3 years. I buy 6 to 20 pound. I got it on everything. Glad to see you back making videos!! I’m in Missouri so are biggies ain’t 8 or 10 pounds but I stuck my PB on a Citizen at the Lake of the Qzarks yesterday!! 6.8. Unfortunately I cannot blast the color…
Yes I’ve been waiting for this video 🙌🏼💯
Thank you Mike. Great video. Seagar line hard to find around here, but I know where it is up in Shelby,NC. The Bass Shack. Plus our Bass here don’t grow as big as they do in Cali. I hope one day to meet you and fish with you, definitely on my Bucket list.! Tight lines,Brother.
I’ve been a P line CXX guy for a long time, as my home lake used to be loaded with hydrilla. Used 25lb throwing big hard baits, and 20 on the smaller baits. Soft baits I’d throw 20lb fluro and I really liked the Cabelas brand,,,,,not sure who they sourced it from but it worked for me. I’ll throw braid for big top water baits where I’ll typically holding the rod high
Absolutely agree! I've used different Berkeley flouros, different Sunline flouros, different Seaguar flouros, and consistently see myself coming back to AbrazX. Not just for big baits either, but 15# AbrazX for lipless cranks, 17# AbrazX for Texas rigging and pitching Senkos, and 20# AbrazX for chatterbaits...
Good stuff thank you, Mike. Butch Brown and Mike Gilbert approved - Seagar AbrazX.
You should do a video on the types of knots you use for big baits
love your content!
Great break down.
I’ve thrown a deps 250 on 17lb AbraizX and I used 17lb for a while and it is tough!!! Had no doubt I would loose any of my baits. I recently switched over to 20 for more strength for summer time but my go to is 17 for 5-8 inch baits
I've tried stren 14 pound and trilein 14 or 15 pound. The stren has a tendency to snap on the hook set. I haven't had the problem with the trilein yet but time will tell. This video provided me with a new line to try and I will be doing so. Thank you!!
I using it since they came out in the market I don't have any issue I love it
Never tried abrazx, maybe I'll pick up a spool. But I've been fishing invizx for few years. It's been good to me. Couple cast offs which I believe were either my knot or weak points in the line I did not see. But I've not been broken off by a fish yet.
Great videos.
Hey Mike I’ve watched all of your videos several times and I was just watching the video again that you have talking about big baits with big hooks requires heavy hook sets, and I notice that you use Flouro and reel into the fish before swinging, have you ever considered using a braid to stretchy flouro or a braid to mono to decrease the amount of stretch in the line with a heavier hook to maybe increase hook up ratio because I know on my bodies of water when I reel into them and swing they just spit the bait out and never come back.
Great video
Great video just to share some info with you l watched a recent underwater test with divers and underwater cameras and the Invizx was more invisible underwater than Abrazix just thought you'd like to know that!
I've been using sunline assassin a lot more lately and been liking it more and more for my 15lb and lighter lines. The heavier stuff isn't the same tho
Great video as always. I run abrazX also
I was exclusively using Seaguar Red Label, then I had several spools of crap line. Would break off on hooksets, would snap inside the reel, etc. I dunno if they had a QC issue or what. Switched to InvizX and it was great until I got my second spool and then the same problem. Was really disappointed in Seaguar.
I know this is gonna sound crazy but I use Berkley Vanish and it is awesome! I am truly shocked how good it is
Seaguar flouro in general is VERY dependable. Bass fishing is moderate compared to Snook. A big snook will wear your line out and I had more break offs in general w snook than anything. The Seaguar Blue is money. I use the inshore also, dont care for the Gold. Yozuri is a little softer and better knot tying but have had equal success. It is a PROCESS and the fish and conditions dictate what size and variety to use. Some day's I like the thinnest some days thicker. I have not used the AbrazX but I am sure it is a fine product.
Tatsu is a fully cooked noodle, a wet snake In the grass. Abrazx is a half cooked noodle, a dried out earth worm. Application Specific. Both great Lines
What about structure wise? I fish lake fork exclusively would you mess with anything less than 20lb?
I know 20 is your choice but would you go any bigger if you was fishing standing timber I'm basically fishing a lake that was dam up and flooded and there's standing timber from a foot deep to 40 foot deep and the only thing that was cleared was boat lanes
I like the 25lb I used it on my big crackdown baits to get them down deeper. I Don't really have to worry about line shy bass because no one really throws over 17lb or big baits around me. With crackdowns it's more of a reaction bite.
What pound test braid do you use to back the reels?
I’ve had bad experience with sunline floro snapping at the cast. Went thru 5 spools, many expensive swimbaits to realize it’s horrible floro
Could not agree with you more on the line choice, this line has never let me down. Question- what are you tossing the Hinkle on? 20 pound?
I had almost the exact opposite experience with AbrazX. But will give it a 2nd chance.
I have settled on mostly using braid to leader…usually a copoly line or fluoro leader material.
I am able to give my equipment a thorough stress test by going snagging for Asian carp that mostly run between 15-25 lbs and fight like crazy.
Would this be good line to throw the Storm Arashi Shad?
What line should I use when there is pike
When you say the stretch factor what do you mean exactly? Is abrazX more stretchy then other flurocarbons? Or is it less stretchy?
Thoughts on copoly?
I bought a zebco 33 and I’m still using the original line. I’ve caught some hogs with that thing and it’s still going strong!
Lol
Great video Mike. Send that Tatsu collecting dust to me :) Stuff is money. My go to Flouro.
Why would the line need to be different for a top water swimbait? It's not like you throw them in pads with treble hooks or am I confused? I'm thinking wake baits
Sunline super fc sniper has never done me wrong. Fished it in some pretty nasty stuff too. Might have to check out abrasx though
Same here, just bought my first swim bait rod was thinking about throwing some sniper on it because it’s the best dang line I’ve ever used but interested in abrazx. Decisions Decisions lol
Abrazx is the real deal. Took it to fish Lake Baccarac a few years ago, which has tremendous amount of jagged rocks, and never broke off any big fish throwing swimbaits and 1oz jigs
I second that, ‘Panda, especially for Baccarac. You sure don’t want to use second best of anything on that lake. Going back again in Nov and Jan. Taking small groups again. I recommend to all of the folks who go with me that they watch EVERY Working Class Zero video beforehand, as well as the Tactical Bassin’ videos. JMHO but Mike Gilbert, Matt Allen,Tim Little and Butch Brown are in a CZcams class of their when it comes to providing REAL information, uncolored by sponsor hype. This video is a perfect example of that. Kudos to Mike Gilbert, always.
Have you tried FC sniper ?
I’m up here in Michigan and our lakes are loaded with Pike, which can cost a person a lot of money…🤬
Would you use a different approach regarding line?
Try Gamma edge. It's insanely tough line and breaks much higher then rated strength. The 16# breaks at 22lbs and the 20# breaks at 28lbs. I have yet to find a Flouro that can out break it. That's testing it against about every Flouro I can find at a break strength one higher then the Gamma edge. The 16# Gamma beat the abrazx 20# when I tested them side by side with the Palomar knot. Thanks for the killer baits and info.
Sunline Sniper Fluorocarbon in 20 lb test has not let me down yet. I do re tie quite a bit though . 🤙🏽
Thats great! people should retie more.
I was talking with Brice Boseman at the 2021 Bassmasters about how I lost my Hinkle Trout! I was using Seaguar Abrazx 25lb. brand new spool and a brand new rod. Keep in mind I had only fished my Hinkle 5-6 times. I made a nice lob cast fishing parallel to a deep point. Mid flight I heard that dreaded "SNAP/POP". No birds nest the line just snapped. I contacted Seaguar via-email gave them the production run etc. Never heard back from them. Yes it's all in confidence, which is why I will never purchase any of their products. I currently use Sunline and Yo-Zuri.
Literally the same thing happened to me a month ago with my butch brown mirror trout 250.. 10th cast with the bait and the 20 lb abrazx 🤦♂️. Not sure if I should go to 25 or switch brands.
25lbs fc sniper same diameter at 20lbs abrazx just gives me a little more peace of mind that I won’t snap of on a fish
I throw 22lb shooter for same reason. Has similar diameter to 20lb abrazx. Shooter so damn expensive though...
Definitely the best.
I’m good with the red label seagaur,, 😂.. but definitely trying abrazx next
lets get it!🤙🤙 Thats all i use. Hey mike if its just going to collect dust, ill buy off you bro!! let me know!
6:04 would you say that is so for even a bait like the mother chaser? Imo the only reason I throw 30 on it is the weight of the bait consistently causing stress and stretch on the line.
That bait is in a class of its own when it comes to weight.
Are you throwing floro regardless of single hook or treble hook? Does it matter in your opinion?
for both
How much line do you typically cut off when you re-tie a lure?
Starting the day, about 10ft. During the day just depends on if the line is chewed up or if i just need to get a fresh knot.
I usually use braid to 30lb flouro leader for most glidebaits and straight 80lb braid for big topwaters like the Deps Skaters/Walker and Megabass Megadog. I mostly chase big stripers in the CA Delta so I need the oversized gear for the 15-30lb fish but it feels way overkill for largemouth. I think I definitely miss out on bites when I'm just targeting largemouth which sucks
Heavy cover your set points and drops lighter line Iam a mono guy 10 12,15 20 trileen big game swap once a year caught plenty on 20 my largest 13 lb 9 oz on 10 lb test on a jerk bait so open water no timber just grass
No Flo won’t hold knots
50lb power pro to a 20lb leader line of big game mono. That's for my swimbaits. 30lb power pro to mono on everything but cranking and frogging. 12lb trilene flouro for cranking and 30 lb braid for frogging.
17 and 20 lb Abrazx is all I use.
Best floro on the market. I believe that some lines preform better at certain test/thicknesses. Maybe there new line works better in smaller pound test range? It's Just a theory what are your takes on it?
I think FC sniper is the best but going to have to try out abrazx
Why braid backing? Why not cheap mono backing?
What about invisx? Does it stretch too much?
InvisX works fine for me. No problem with stretch. I prefer it over abrasx. Find what works for you.
The struggle to find a good topwater line is real.
makes sence
Matt Allen uses 80lb braid to floro leader and has been killin - straight floro is just $$
Matt Allen doesn't fish the same place I fish and must have far more faith in his connection knots than I do. Put a braid backer on the spool and you use far less Flouro.
I'll be that guy and say i've never found bass to be line shy. I'll throw on straight braid in a pinch and don't see any difference from the fish. I use leader almost only for shock absorption
Everybody has different experiences, but I know that I used to throw 25 pound sunline and I didn’t nearly get bit as much as I do now with the 20 pound version, and only a few days in I got bigger bites. Some people find success with lines like straight braid, but every fishery is different. And I tend to stay away from straight braid due to how easily it breaks on cast…
How would you rate tatsu compared to abrazx?
From my experience, not as good. Get a burn on the line from the not I tie. That only happens with mono occasionally so it makes me really question the properties of Tatsu.
@@WorkingClassZeroFishing oh boy, I hope you just got a bad batch because after paying so much I want this stuff to work perfectly. If it doesn’t work out I’ll probably just get some abrazx
Starting out w/ swimbaits 5 years ago I thought braid was the way 2 go "NOT" ! 50LB POWERPRO cost me 2 Deps 250's, 1 Deps 175, and a Host of other Lures..$500 plus " All on the Cast" GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! 20 or 25lb. Fluoro 4Me! Cheers jd
Straight braid! Say goodbye to your arsenal.
Depends on what brand you got and size. The Suffix 832 camo line is insane. Strongest I've used yet and I use it for giant Snakeheads.
@@WorkingClassZeroFishing wish I'd have seen your vid a month ago.
Using 80lb Power Pro snaps easily if there's any backlash.
Fishing big baits for pike, I usually use a wire leader straight to braid. Too many breaks on the cast has me rethinking that approach.
@@monstertrucktennis Don't know if you'll see this but give Sufix 832 a try. I use it in 80lb for musky and it has never broken on a backlash, even with 8oz+ baits.
@@gray1738 it's worth a shot.
I don't like the other option of spooling up with 130 lb Power Pro.
Fishing mostly from shore, I need the distance of a smaller diameter.
Thanks!
I’ve had mixed feelings about the flouros I’ve used over the years for my soft baits. P-line 100% never really failed me but it gets “chalky” quickly and I’m constantly putting conditioner on it. I just bought a new spool of FC Sniper last week and gonna give it a go. Maybe I’ll grab a spool of abrazx and throw it on my other soft bait setup! P-line original is my fav for hard baits tho. Thanks for the tips like always! Oh and Seaguar sales about to go 📈📈📈
What did you think about Sniper ?
Why not use something like Big Game for a backer?
Braid
I’ll take the tatsu if you don’t want it!
New reels Mike?
Summer set ups
I like sunline flipping flouro for bottom contact baits. Similar to to abrazx but last a little longer. . Like the fact it has a marker every 2 or 3 ft and stays invisible under water. But don't think they sale bulk spools.
I use their 20 pound, and I totally agree with you, never had any problems, everyone is different and I’m willing to give abrazx a try, but I’m in love with sunline right now
@@ethanfarrell313 I do also throw Abraz x. I use it for spinnerbaits and chatterbaits.
Seaguar till I die!!!!
If you’ve never tried it, you should really check out seaguars tatsu line. It’s insane. Pretty pricey though.
He literally told the story of his experience with it lol
I'm really liking my 20lb izor XXX
Don’t get seagar line is trash breaks and wears fast not strong Pline fluro Ftw!