Theories in Swimbaiting: Isolated Bass Populations
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- Bass Culture ( social behaviors transmitted to peers or offspring ) in isolated populations of largemouth bass.
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Just got into big baits this year around February... Had to figure out how to fish again pretty much just because of the fact I was searching for bigger bass. And you stated it exactly the trend I figured out in one of the striper lakes here in California... Small striper schools held big bass in them... Also i found out big largies were running with the big stripers chasing the shad schools during the shad boom. Great stuff. Learning everyday
Good information! We have all had those hard days on the water, just makes you want to go back for redemption!
This video explains so much...
One of the lakes I fished primarily in Washington State was very shallow and dirty. The particulate in the water absorbed the sunlight which made the shallow water heat up much more rapidly than most clear water lakes. Because of this, the bass in this lake reacted to temperature changes, (mostly related to a higher-than-normal rate of change, in either direction) than in other lakes which were deeper and/or clearer. (i.e. every other lake in the Pacific Northwest) Again, great info Mike.
Lots of great information to take in and it’s awesome you’re willing to share with your fellow trophy hunters. Has my brain churning. Never consider the different types of teeth but have definitely noticed craw eaters not having those sharper teeth.
great point mike. I've seen smallmouth bass in a particular body of water clear water over 15-20 ft of vis. I've seen them following big turtles and common carp that are feeding on the bottom that seem to be waiting for a crawdad or a prey item that are unsuspecting. I haven't caught any yet but most smallmouth don't eat a 9 in hinkle shad
I talked to a guy this spring who caught a 4# smallie on a big double bladed bucktail spinner on lake st clair while fishing for musky. Had he not shown me a picture and I seen the gear on his boat I wouldn't have believed him.
@@opinionatedviewer7730 I’ve watched st clair smallies spit up 6-8in half decomposed perch.
There's a lot there for sure...I think about it constantly. Finally broke down & got Livescope Plus and I'm seeing some mind blowing behavior I never knew existed
Excellent points. I was just thinking about this recently. Not nearly to this extent though ha. I’ve gone to a few new lakes recently, and the mind wanders down these paths the longer you go without figuring anything out. One lake specifically I fished for the first time, I went 7 hours with nothing. Then I put a pattern together that they literally couldn’t get enough of. A pattern I’d never caught a single Fish on in any of the other lakes I usually fish. Caught 8 in the last hour of fishing. This talk def opened the door of thought a bit more for me. Appreciate the insight
Great food for thought, Mike. It's definitely intriguing to ponder on these things. Thanks for always pushing your fellow Trophy Chasers to think outside the box and grow in knowledge about our particular fisheries. You're not outright giving guys the answers, but rather teaching people how to think in a way that will inherently improve results. That's Solid. 👊
I appreciate that.
Well said
Exactly... basically, "Give a man a fish and he'll tell people he caught it, Teach a man to fish and he'll lie about the size of every fish he catches"... I think that's the way it goes.
Mike, this is awesome stuff! You touched on so many things I’ve noticed and run through my head every time on the water. The toothy fish thing hit hard and patrollers thoughts I’ve had about lakes in my area. The crawfish eaters are rarely aggressive towards swimbaits. I can see these fish, but they will not commit to swimbaits, so I rarely spend time there. Love it bro!
Parallels not patrollers
👀👀I absolutely love the madness behind your thinking,it all made sense to me 👍
I have never put any thought into the condition of the 'teeth' and how that correlates to their forage. Great video man, appreciate the thought provoking content!
Living in central Ca. this year, I've had a chance to really come to terms with the death of our fisheries here in some respects, but there's always the drive home or ride out having a beer - whatever, where you piece together the facts, get ideas and eventually -epiphanies. There's definitely some gold to be discovered in this process, wherever you fish. Very interesting food for thought!
Things sure have changed. There are good people in the system but I feel like their hands are tied. California loves to section of protected spaces and tell you what you can and can't do there, but they hate to properly manage them.
Bring this sh*t back, please. Very interesting topic.
I took this article/video and modified it slightly. I feel like the sentiment was the same but needed to figure out baits at the same time. Anyway, by dedicating myself to one Lake last year (2021), I can honestly now look back and say it was the best thing I could have ever done for my fishing. Not only did I learn a ton about my home lake, but bass in general. Being able to take those insights into a new lake this year yielded almost instant successful trophy catches. Quest for the cure + pursuit of giant bass = 🏆🎣
I totally agree. Snorkeling in a FL spring, I overved a 4 lbs bass meld in with a similar sized school of mullet. Time after time, it would dart out and smash a shiner or bluegill and meld right back in with the school. I was blown away. Bass are smart and can solve complex issues to get some chow.
I like where your heads at. I'm just a humble bank angler, but this is the type of thing I've been trying to take note of lately. It amazes me how different bass behave in different locations and situations. This reminds me of something I heard Larry Dahlberg say about learning to fish the immediate environment. That being said, I put into practice something you said a few years ago about sticking with a particular body of water in order to really learn it well. It's caused me to start ask a lot more than just "What are they eating?" It's a deep rabbit hole, but definitely one worth exploring
Inspiring content!
great video and insight - Doug Hannon touched on this : big bass laying under small bass waiting for injured or regurgitated minnows...I also read an article back in the day about bass feeding on dead shiners tossed overboard. It seems 'smart' animals learn by patterns. Buck Perry said that any bass over 6 pounds was a 'freak', meaning that they don't play by the rules and therefore are very difficult to pattern...
Good video. Mike, you are always honest in the information you present. Keep it up. I have made my own observations of this and find this so true. Every body of water i fish, fishes different even if it's in the same general vicinity. Fish behavior, though can have similarities, can be very different. Goes to show that time on the water is essential for a higher success and consistency for any given body of water.
I think its noticeable if you spend enough time out there and are curious. What I struggle with is how things are talked about in vast generalities. As though bass in a 300000 acre lake in Georgia on a river chain behave the same as bass in 1000 acre lake in Oregon.
Im with your thought process. I would also add that competition is also a variable to consider, both for ecosystem and territory. This is an obvious outlier at first but if you consider it, it is an environmental adaptation that can become programmed to become an inherited trait, much like many other constants in the mind of the bass. Catch and release has the same affect as we are planting programmed minds back to the water.( I believe in catch and release, especially on superior genetics, but I believe in some cases a slot size for removal could be beneficial)
these vids are actually too fire dat shi burnin
I love this stuff lol. I could talk theories and populations and internal vs external influencing factors all day.
Weirdly, I find when I can't find any bites on my lake, the carp usually ARENT flopping. Jumping carp for me typically is a sign that the bass are active 🤔
I've noticed similar carp/bass activity relationship.
Interesting stuff. On the same line of thought I used to mow lawns back in the day. One of the houses I mowed was on a lake and I always noticed when I mowed down close to the water the bass would bust all the baitfish that were being scared out of the weeds by the commotion of the mower. Not sure if this is a common thing or not but it happened like clockwork at this particular location. I would say it was definitely a learned behavior by the bass. When lawn mowers were down by the lake they could get an easy meal by waiting just outside the weed line.
man i love these vids keep it up
It’s a concept called “imprinting” or more vaguely observational learning, but it’s where when bass are really young they can learn certain behaviors that become innate (or like a instinct) to them and then they teach they’re young and so on and so forth
Imprinting is different from the transmitting behaviors to generations of offspring. In a highly controlled and isolated environment, would the offspring be more likely possess the same behaviors as their parents? Some studies say yes, but not enough research is being done or being widely published for us to know.
The ones who can understand this video will know. Pay attention to everything that’s happening in and around you when your out fishing and learn how to work your ways to be successful under any conditions. It’s more then just fishing and trying to catch a fish. I hear you on this one. 👍 it’s crazy how much there is to learn and know this game.
agree with you Mike 100% great vid
Makes sense. No two lakes are the same, different climates, different bait assemblages, different ratios of bait species, different pressure, different habitat ratios, different genetics, different species of predators, different ratio of predator species and different water levels. So many variables there’s no way two lakes are exactly the same and there’s good reason to believe no two populations of bass utilize two lakes in the exact same way. The philosophy of bassin
Good point ,I do slot of pond bass fishing ,big ponds and notice some ponds fishing good after rain ,but other bass pond they want bite for nothing ,im slowing down now that is so hot ,and waiting for cooler weather ,I usually catch my biggest in cooler months.
Man you turned a bad day of fishin into a great for video! Speaking of learned behavior. Can you imagine what happens on that lake after all the boats leave? I'll bet there's some monster bass that only eat at night
What really triggers bass making them willing biters or not are water temperatures, lighting(bright/dark/cloudy), water current, and water oxygen levels. There's a channel called "The Nature of Fishing" where the host Paul Roberts studies bass and their behaviors making scientific documentary style videos explaining what makes bass willing biters or not.
Great video
💯 agree! You see different behavior in pond all the time even if you have 2 ponds right beside each other, so why should it be different in lakes.
My local lake makes me feel like I have no clue what im doing on the daily. Just when I feel like im on to something everything changes and the fish that were there are gone, but if I travel to the well know socal bass lakes I do great.
100% agree. In my home waters generation dictates the bite. When the water kicks on fish move and start feeding. I'm sure the TVA lakes are very much the same.
Very interesting things to think about. But may I suggest a book to read that kinda goes along with some of your theories, Tracking Trophies by John Hope. Good luck and good fishing.
I 100% agree brotha. Each body of water the fish behave slightly different then the "Norm". Good ol Evolution
That trait with the trophy Bass eating fish being released happen to be in San Diego county haha me and my family have had bass eat our trout off the line while reeling them in
so i totally agree but also got that idea from my father (a zoologist and fisherman). i have one set of small lakes that are only a mile a part, but in one lake bass are the only big predatory fish, and the other lake has bowfin, gar, and pickerel. other than that the lakes are almost exactly the same, but there denfalliy a differance bwt their "cultures". but even on the 1st lake there is a difference btw the big bass that live in the pad fields and the big bass that live on the offshore coontail.... for one the offshore bass eat A LOT of smaller bass, but the shallow bass in the pads eat a lot of bluegill, birds, frogs, and etc... and yes there is cross over but also there is a difference btw their teeth as well.
Interesting. These ideas are almost universally accepted on land-based animals, it’s just I’ve never considered herd behavior in fish. Good stuff 👍🏻
The “trophy bass targeting released fish”???? We talking about Lake mission Viejo? 🔥🤙🏼
I’ve been treating trophy bass fishing more like trophy buck hunting using this concept, there’s certain lakes that have certain bites and during the different seasons they rotate, for example I think a lot of the big fish at my 3 “home spots” arent eating on weekends or certain windows of time everyday because of the extra boat/lake traffic. They know they’re being fished for and I’ve only had success catching the bigger fish in cold weather or on a weekday that nobody else is fishing. I might have to go find out if they’ve adapted the same way and are following boats during the busy hours. These fish are freaks.
This is absolutely true where I fish as well. Used to fish weekdays and catch good ones regularly. Now, I am forced to fish weekends only, and my fishing partner and I rarely catch a fish over 5 pounds. When we fished on weekdays, we would typically get much bigger bites. Many 6-9 lb class fish were somewhat common. Wednesdays are the truth
@@lithiumlung3810 Wish I didn’t have to work normal hours haha
Gold!
100% so crazy, that dude dyll n myself were talking about this exact topic last week. Man, I'd love to be a fly on the wall for the off air convo between yall over drink..... ever get into rapid evolution in freshwater?
I dont know how fast evolution can really take place. I do think that it might be much faster in controlled environments like a lab or "lake", but I still think we'd need to be generations in to really notice. Behavior or cultural swings can happen overnight.
Orcas specialize in a prey and will pass on other prey since they’re not as efficient at killing it. I think bass get into the rhythm of what hatches, or what’s predominant. You can verify this by cutting open bass throughout the year. They’ll be a craw hatch, so all the bass are looking down. Seems like there’s a buzz bait/plopper bite that’s better than normal now-perhaps related to the recent locust hatch. Last year I caught a lot on poppers-this year not so much-as though all the fish got the memo.
I think that for changes like having sharper teeths or bigger stronger crush pads on a bass it needs some thousand of years, but every bass adapt to his location and forage so it makes sense that during his life his body adapts too, if you use something that evolves if you don't it regress (use it or lose it, like in human training for sports and other things). I think that bass have a personality too, in the same lake I find shallow bass in the summer at a certain time and at the same time there are bass in deep water, I think it depends on their daily routine.
Physically different teeth could mean there are multiple variations occupying and utilizing the lake but do cross over from time to time. Physical adaptions are limited in the short term but how about transmission of knowledge? Knowing what we know about other species, is it possible? My opinion, is yes.
Lol @ the Chappelle's Show reference! You better wrap that shit up B!!!
We must be related do you wake up at odd hours and think about this stuff ? I have studied and read I have spent most of my time and considerable amounts of cash chasing these fish . Still there are things about them that I cannot explain . They still can utterly surprise me when I find them where they aren’t supposed to be doing what they are not supposed to be doing . At least that what I think of at 3:00 am
Now if I can just get the striper fisherman to let me throw big glides next to there boats I could prove your theory. Excellent idea
Stripers at the delta VS stripers at Hogan Lake. Completely different fish.
My day was like that until noon. I turned all the graphs off , reset myself and then just went down the bank with a spook and a jig. And I smashed on em the rest of the day. Sometimes even in fishing u have to unplug!
We have similar sized lakes, with same quality bass population within 15 min drive of each other. You can fish both lakes same day, totally differnt behaviours. On the river ive fished since i was a kid for smallmouth the crawdad population has dropped significantly over the last five years and the fishing has changed completely. The fish hold in different spots, and have gotten much more spooky. Also the physical appearance of the fish has changed as well in both shape, size and color.
Just goes to show why it's so important to stress that techniques are water specific and simply starting points for you to perfect and apply to the water you're fishing.
Im not a bass fisherman but i do fish for flathead catfish. They know when the lake is going to get stocked with trout and slaughter them. And post up at the mouth of the cove the trout get stocked in
Well the crazy thing I seen this year. april 4 they stock trout in a resevoir not from me. Normally that fires up the northern pike but had seen a 6.50 pound large mouth with 25 inch northern sticking out off its mouth and still chasing schools of trout.and pike are normal the dominant predator fish
Hey Mike, I got a few questions. Something I think about often and kind of correlates with this video. You talk about the possibility of these learned behaviors being passed through genetics. Do you think the fish that are caught on certain baits are somehow able to pass that knowledge to their offspring to not eat that type of food? Also you talk about fish that primarily feed on certain bait such as craws or bait fish. How much do you think we plan in a roll with that. Such as if you go out and catch a fish on a shad bait. Do you think that fish has a higher possibility of changing its main forage to craws or something other than baitfish. Obviously not all fish will change I’ve caught the same fish on the same bait at different times of the year, but I wonder how much it could play a roll in changing the behaviors of the fish.
😂😂
@@jerrythomas8604 have you never had a bite get killed on a lake? It ties directly into this if you put it together.
The chappels show reference was the best part of the video. Could have cut it there
Big BRAIN sh*t
Predator > prey, opportunistic feeders. I’ve studying it a bit and there are different classes of bass in any landlocked lake and depending on what other predator fish are in that lake depends on how the classes are broken up which is a lot more of a study case than a lake where LMB are on top of the food chain, then comes into play the depth of those lakes. Where you may have two distinct classes broken up into shallow and deep then multi sub classes from there. I studied casitas for years and back in the 90’s they would stock trout religiously and we would see trophy bass start coming in as soon as they heard the back up alarm on the truck. Behavior patterns for the most out of the least effort. I could go on and on just on deep water bass
Curious. Do you think those behavior patterns are unique to Casitas? Do you have any links to studies?
I think Predator>prey is oversimplifying it to our detriment.
I just read a study on Juvi bass in a highly controlled environment.
The below excerpt really stood out to me.
"Examples from pigs, mice and rats suggest that shy, nonexploratory behavioral types tend to be better at assessing novel stimuli compared with bold, exploratory behavioral types. Our results suggest that nonexplorers may be adopting these strategies in their decision making by focusing their foraging effort on the more-profitable prey choice, which may help them maximize growth.
@@WorkingClassZeroFishing I’m using predator > prey as a base or starting point, not that it’s a simplistic approach but behavior patterns for most out of effort, there are studies done on fish brains and lateral lines and a great white shark has a very small brain considering it’s size but uses other aspects of their anatomy to feed besides thinking or decision making which is probably the reason for exploration bites on humans or a bluegill biting a 8” bait, risk reward type thing. And I do not have any studies I can point to reference the bass behavior at casitas in the 90’s. Their maybe some videos out there but it just from my personal witnesses of them start to position themselves in a manner that will coral the trout and they would start once they heard the backup alarms, they would get on alert and start patrolling in a fashion that almost had class distinctions of rank, it was trippy. So like the 5-6 pound class would do the work and the teeners would sit and wait, intelligent behavior. I would alway tell my fishing buddies, look these fish don’t know the difference between braid and floro and they definitely don’t know how much you paid for that reel but maybe they have an idea. Lol. Trippy. Deep water bodies are very interesting
I'm willing to bet that if you put a graph on those bass a day before and the morning of the stock, you'd see them stacked up on the outside of the stocking area. They get it down to the day. I actually feel kind of bad for them when you know the stocks have stopped and they still stack up the normal stocking day for the next two weeks.
@@WorkingClassZeroFishing that lake management got weird once they stopped stocking regularly, I think it got political with in the water district and then came the cabling ( for the quagga thing) then they started stocking Nebraska tail walkers which was a bad deal and it (in my opinion) turned that lake into a toilet bowl being those are pretty aggressive fish and they were planting big ones like 15 pounders in there, it was crazy. But that is a deep lake and I’m sure there’s some still in there. Then we had the droughts that dropped the level drastically and it’s been steady for the last couple years as level goes (still super low) but then we had tons of rain which flooded all that mature brush and people were thinking it jacked the bass up but I thought differently on it but now it seems stable and fish are looking health but they need to start stocking more trout more often. They are stocking again but it’s definitely not enough weight being dumped in to change a big behavior swing. Very interesting to watch that lake in its prime to its low of lows to stabilizing itself. If you ever come up this way let me know.
Def on to something here. Reminds me of the 100th monkey
The next Doug Hannon you
Genetically modified Bass
Opportunity feeders they are. Eating baby carp, rats, etc. If you only had to throw one bait for northern bass giants, which would you use, if all variables applied...(being an 7 to 8 pounds is large)
But do they have a preference?
@@WorkingClassZeroFishing shad or bluegills if I had 2 choose.
I bet your bass know y’all can’t fish at night. I bet the freaks come out at night when y’all have to go home
Have you ever had the same female return to the same bed? I have a theory
DD FEMALE NOT SMALL!
I don't really take part in bed fishing so I don't have any info in relation to that.
My pawpaw and dad both claim what you say. I believe them. Bigger teeth on fish eaters
Crazy how crazy this is to people lol uhhh duhhhh