when I watched this ep and Pike was first transported to the future, my first thought was "oh cool they're doing a wedding again, nice little nod to TOS". And then when he got to the bridge I'm like "wait this feels …. familiar? Wait… they're not… are they… holy SHIT THEY ARE THIS IS BALANCE OF TERROR!!!"
I just went back and watched then back to back....BRILLIANT❤ everyone, everything on point. Every choice from Pike and reasoning felt authentic and not just "different" because he was in command. He wasn't that "wrong"...Kurt just knew that if we stay we are thing to fight and we have to win and can't hesitate. We'll done to Those Old Scientists both crews.
A couple of things stand out to me through this. People consistently make fun of Shatner for his dramatic pauses, but if you listen to most of the identical lines, EVERYONE talked like that. That's just the acting style of the time. Nothing wrong with that particular cadence. The other, and biggest, thing is that this episode for Pike is proof positive of a line of Picard's from TNG: "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose." Pike did the right thing, the thing many of our Starfleet captains we've seen on screen for so many years would do. But in this instance, this very instance, Kirk's more aggressive approach was, in plain fact, the correct course of action. You can see that in the sheer difference in outcomes. Kirk lost only one member of the crew and the conflict with the Romulans was isolated, while Pike lost several crew and began a long and bloody war.
I think Kirk's new actor is fine, especially since we are seeing a different Kirk that didn't get command of the Enterprise, but I'm hoping when we see him as a lieutenant in season 2, he puts on a little bit more swagger. Both of the other Kirks had a swagger to them, and while it was exaggerated in Chris Pine, it was still a vital part of the character.
@Tejesh Patel You're correct about Disco's pilot. Which goes to show, the Klingons and Romulans have a little more in common than either race would care to admit.
Look, I have to spread the word, I must. But, here's the thing: If you look at TNG, Picard was very much an hands-off kind of Captain always. Kirk was always an hands-on kind of Captain. Absolutely right, that Kirk's time had more action-oriented Captains. So here's the fun joke, and the word that must be spread: Up until the movie Star Trek Generations. Picard was hands-off. BUT, after a *CHANCED ENCOUNTER* with the famous James T. Kirk, Picard underwent a rapid mutation and became - *ACTION PICARD* ! Kicking ass and taking names! 🤣No really. After he meets Kirk, in every movie after that Picard is very hands-on action. Thus proving that, Kirk is indeed the best Captain :P
Kirk was a war-time captain. Pike is a peace-time captain well suited for diplomacy. In this situation, Kirk's aggressive instincts were correct, because as Spock explained, showing weakness would be a fatal mistake.
That last scene in sickbay just tears my heart out. I realize in the original series they didnt want to spend the $$$ in makeup and runtime to show the casualties, but Tomlinson looking directly into Pike's eyes and Chapel's prognosis of Spock makes it much less like a strategy game and much more tragic.
@Tejesh Patel Dude. It was one thing to realize that it was bad. But to see it and hear it... and then, like you said, to realize the parallel of it. Just brutal.
Even pike's placement around the bridge when he first walks around it is eerily similar to TOS. The attention to detail on this episode is insane. I'm so looking forward to season 2.
I watched both back to back, and it was somehow really easy to imagine Ballance of Terror upgraded to the aesthetics of Strange New Worlds. Great example of a prequel done right.
Not really. They'd have to pay the original screen writers. Don't they have plagiarism rules against this? It's unoriginal and the reason why Hollywood is going down the drain, no more new ideas
@@suzygirl1843 so.....a 50+ year TV Series with thousands of episodes and a couple of movies with an ever expanding lore can't reference it's own episodes?
The only way this could be better (by a smidgen) would be to place TOS audio on the left channel and SNW audio on the right channel. Thanks for this effort, it's really impressive.
I hadn't seen "Balance of Terror" in at least a couple of years when this episode of SNW came out last week, but even then, it was easy to pick up on the obviously identical lines, and even the musical cues and similar lighting in some scenes. I didn't realize just how close it was though until I saw this video. This is really excellent work on the part of the production. For a show that I was really afraid I was going to hate, SNW's first season has been really spectacular. For the first time in 18 years, I feel like the people who're working on the show respect the source material and canon, (and I also know that there are those who're going to argue the point with me.) "Quality of Mercy" is the absolute crowning jewel of the season, and a great way to wrap it up. Can't see what we get out of this show next.
The only reason anybody would argue that the people behind this show don't respect the canon (though the canon isn't as important as you might think it is) and source material is that they are the ones behind the other recent shows.
The wedding thing being caught out was funny. He's totally thrown off, forgetting his lines as captain and has no idea what the couple's names are so "you and, you". @@romulusnr
"Quality Of Mercy" was probably the best episode that SNW has done so far and it was a magnificent finale to the series' first season! Thank you very much for this side-by-side comparison video! Classic, traditional Star Trek has indeed made a comeback to modern-day television! 🙂
Really enjoyed the series, especially for someone that grew up in TNG era, it gave me renewed interested to TOS era more so than Into the Darkness did. Great Tribute but also hold on its own. :)
@@Idazmi7 It's at least more enjoyable than the rest of the series purely because it's a copy. I'm by no means saying it lives up to Trek, but it's watchable without cringing. It did have its share of problems, however. Pike saying that both sides were sticking to their sides of the neutral zone when they're in firing range of one another is a prime example. Una being arrested for being an Illyrian (a stupid retcon) but La'an continuing to serve and in fact make it to the rank of Commander while being a Noonien-Singh. The Scotty tease which for a moment sounded like Chris Doohan's performance from Star Trek Continues until I looked it up and saw that it wasn't him. I know James Doohan wasn't Scottish but his accent was on point and the new one sounds very forced by comparison. Also, how does future Pike know about Spock's future importance? Spock's efforts to ensure peace with the Romulans didn't start until decades after he would have died of old age. So unless the Klingon monks told him? But then that just highlights that the whole time crystal gimmick on Boreth were a stupid gimmick that shouldn't have even been conceived.
@@MrMikellsof88 That's what I'm talking about. Since TNG, Star Trek has been blasted for it's continuity issues, but these new writers just _revel_ in them. They do whatever, and don't bother establishing any ground rules for any reason. They just roll onward, tripping up over their own story as they go. 😠
This was really well done and shows how carefully SNW crafted their show not just as a tip of the hat to the original but to contrast the leadership styles of Kirk and Pike.
The Romulan captain was a mix of Pike's inclination towards diplomacy and Kirk's tactical nous. The identical speech made sense for both men. This is a great video.
I'm a Trek fan since I was a kid, born 88' but if I can be honest I've never watched TOS fully, only bits and pieces and I'm trying in my mid 30s now to do my first full watch of the show. I've watched every other incarnation of Trek from TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DIS, LD, PROD, PIC and SNW. In that regard I didn't even know The BoT episode was a episode mirrored in AQoM in SNW finale. This is a great comparison. Thank you for this I think I know have more motivation to finish TOS. My top series is DS9.
I absolutely love TOS. I'll confess that I believe that DS9 is still the best out of all of them, but TOS was very similar to DS9 in the sense that we saw humans acting more like humans than in TNG. By the late 80s, Roddenberry started to believe in his own hype and went out of his way to show humans in the 24th century as being borderline flawless in their social maturity. Wonderful idea, but makes for boring television. That being said, TNG was still an amazing show and had no problems providing entertainment by exploring difficult philosophical quandaries. DS9 is in first place for best Trek show. I'd say TOS and TNG are both tied for second. ENT for third. I've seen bits and pieces of VOY, but I haven't watched it from beginning to end. SNW is amazing. Haven't seen Discovery as I've heard nothing but bad things, but I'll probably get around to it eventually.
The relationship between the main characters on TOS is unmatched, it makes the remainder of trek possible. You’ll also get an appreciation for kirks cunning, not just his way with the ladies.
This was very well done. It was interesting to me that due to Kirk's more hands on, aggressive style of being captain, history was changed for the better. Kirk's line at the end of 'There comes a time when you have to fight' feels apt.
Modern Trek is so much darker. I don’t mean thematically. I mean visually. I love Strange New Worlds. But I love how brightly lit TOS was. At least SNW is more brightly lit than Disco.
For the lighting on the original series, you can thank the gaffer, George H Merhoff, my grandfather's brother. As both a relative of his and a trekkie myself, I see how much his work defined that show. There's always been talk in my family that had George lived long enough to do the 80s movies, they would have looked and felt more like the original series
I did not remember that Kirk took a similar walk around the bridge at the beginning of that episode. Even the timing is similar. That's crazy. But good crazy.
Thank you for doing this. I’ve gone gone back since watching it the first time, watching both Balance of Terror and Quality of Mercy. Both phenomenal episodes. Could only have been improved by having the Discovery Sarek actor play the Romulan Commander, but it also would have been distracting.
Hell of a job in making this. Very nice touch with music and lighting! The alternate future to show Pike his choices, sacrifice. Looks like Strange New Worlds is about to be up there with DS9 as thee best Star Trek series....
I wonder if the director had an overlay of the original footage on the camera preview? I don't know how they work exactly but I imagine it's feasible to input a feed.
Thank you for this! Nice to see the parallels in real time. Just watched the TOS episode after watching the SNW finale and recalled the general similarities, and I assumed a lot of the dialogue matches as well but I didn't realize to this degree. If they decide to redo episodes of TOS with the new cast and effects, i would be all for it! Since they will likely never do that, though, I'd settle for continuing adventures that take place after the last TOS episode and before the movies.
But events from this episode are from the future so that we see what it would have been without Kirk. They can't keep jumping in the future all the time. 😄
Without knowing what the final episode of season 1 of SNW would be about, i had happened to watch Balamce of Terror two days earlier, made for a great experience having BoT fresh in my mind.
They did such a truly amazing job recreating this legendary episode, and I found a renewed love for Balance in it. I ran to rewatch Balance, and then digest a few comparison videos.
Episode 10 of season 1 of Strange New Worlds, makes this the greatest Star Trek series ever for me. The way both this and original episode played was just stunning. I thought episode 9 was amazing, episode 10 just took it to another level. Can't wait for season 2 😊
Wow! This was amazing to see side by side! I think my only complaint would be…that the dude playing James T. Kirk looks nothing like Shatner, nor does he have the same charisma. I think they would have done better casting Vic Mignona who did a much better job playing a Kirk that was more in line with Shatners in the fan film Star Trek Continues. 💯
STILES: These are Romulans! You run away from them and you guarantee war. They'll be back. Not with just one ship but with everything they've got. You know that, Mister Science Officer. You're the expert on these people, but you always left out that one point. Why? I'm very interested in why. KIRK: Sit down, Mister. SPOCK: I agree. Attack. KIRK: Are you suggesting we fight to prevent a fight? MCCOY: Based on what? Memories of a war over a century ago? On theories about a people we've never even met face to face? STILES: We know what they look like. SPOCK: Yes, indeed we do, Mister Stiles. And if the Romulans are an offshoot of my Vulcan blood, and I think this likely, then attack becomes even more imperative. MCCOY: War is never imperative, Mister Spock. SPOCK: It is for them, Doctor. Vulcan, like Earth, had its aggressive colonising period. Savage, even by Earth standards. And if the Romulans retain this martial philosophy, then weakness is something we dare not show.
The one thing I wish about the SNW version is that the Romulan ship interior had called out to "Balance of Terror"'s aesthetics just a little more, in the way that SNW's Enterprise bridge upgrades the original's, instead of being green-lit gloom.
What they did with the Romulan ship was bring it in line with Romulan aesthetics more firmly established in TNG. Green being their signature colour; their military atmosphere being one of paranoia and espionage instead of autofellatious bloodthirst. More Russian than Roman; the Praetor’s laughable “unparalleled aggression” quote included. There’s a reason Season 2 of SNW went for the TNG Klingon makeup, instead of the Fu Manchu shit from TOS. I think it works just fine.
@robynsun_love Yeah but thanks to Enterprise, now the Fu Manchu Klingons are canon and it's kinda awkward that they haven't been addressed yet. Maybe we'll see another Klingon Civil War. Another reason why I felt these new Star Trek shows should have taken place after TNG, DS9 and VOY. I genuinely don't understand making these shows prequels. Especially to TOS. The movie era with the red uniforms would have been a cool timeline to explore
Brilliantly done! I haven't yet seen the whole episode (or series) apart from clips on CZcams, but throughout I was trying to recall those very scenes from the Original Series. Wonderful to see and compare!
I was hoping someone would do this. Having actually done this sort of thing (but never having uploaded it for fear of Viacom reprisal), I can tell you it's as frustrating as it is fun. Only criticism is the pauses in each could have been stills of the last frame rather than just black space. Outside of that, fantastic job.
¡Que amor por la franquicia!, los que hicieron la serie son unos trekkies como nosotros. solo queda agradecer el trabajo hermoso que hicieron. que alegría cuando el arte se hace con ese detalle de cariño a la obra y a los seguidores. enhorabuena
Thanks for the great effort! The production values look higher today, but except for the fantastic Anson Mount every character in the TOS episode had more character and screen presence. Especially Mark Lenard, whose 2022 counterpart obviously watched Galaxy Quest too often.
He almost seemed to be playing the Romulan Commander as a more "Vulcan-like" guy (very logical) rather than Mark Leonard's "Roman Commander in Space." Leonard was both very good and true to what was written but the latter makes sense in view of how the cannon has developed.
@@Idazmi7 But did everyone? Sybok, for example, is a Vulcan who rejects logic. There could be Romulans who tend the other way and this Commander appears to be one of them.
The only problem I had with this episode was substituting Ortegas for Stiles. She seemed very out of character compared to how she has acted up to this point. Yes it's 7 years later, but still.
I get the impression in this scenario that the Romulans have been doing probing attacks for a while now. Ortegas may have lost someone close pretty recently, and has developed a real hatred for the Romulans at this point.
@@NeilNadelman There was clearly some direction to make the 7 year alternate timeline more bitchy or stand-offish. When Pike entered the bridge and asked for an update, Spock retorted, "Uhura can brief you" even more curtly than usual. This was intentional, but it's not clear what events created that atmosphere.
@@bote-man I've seen it suggested that in this timeline Una being arrested and not saved caused a falling out of sorts between crew and captain, or at least a shift from family to a very professional dynamic. That would explain the curt tone and bitter attitudes towards pike seen in particular when spock is gravely wounded.
@@WorkWaffle Especially if, in this timeline, Spock found 50 logical reasons why Pike should do nothing to save Una. Pike probably blamed Spock for Una's fate.
It just show how well this episode captured the essence of TOS but use it in a wonderful way to move the Strange New Worlds series to the next season. episode captured the essence of TOS episode captured the essence of TOS
If the Romulan Commander was played by James Fran ... then this hommage would have been perfect. James Fran played Sarek in DSC, so he was the "new" Mark Lenard who played the first Romulan Commander, befor being Sarek.
This is awesome. Also I' kinda confused. I had read that SNW takes place roughly 10 years before Kirk takes command of the enterprise. If that's the case why are the stories so similar? Or am I wandering into spoiler territory?
It'd be cool if it became a once a season thing where Pike things about using the Time Crystal again, only for Future Pike to come back. ADMIRAL PIKE: Chris, I get it, the wheel chair and one-light yes two-light no thing is creepy, but you gotta stop. CAPTAIN PIKE: Why, how does Spock die this time? Gets hit by a truck in 1930? I kill him during his Pon Farr? Oh, I know, the Earps and Doc Holiday gun him down because an ensign doesn't pick a fight with the Earps? ADMIRAL PIKE : Well actually... CAPTAIN PIKE: A long lost space probe absorbs him instead of the bald child? A genetic superman returns and is pissed off? ADMIRAL PIKE Actually, Spock was supposed to die there. CAPTAIN PIKE: Yeah, I know. You realized you could've stolen the Enterprise to get his somehow reincarnated body back. ADMIRAL PIKE: What's going on is... CAPTAIN PIKE: An alien probe looking for extinct whales except Spock botched his calculations and we end up incinerated in the sun? ADMIRAL PIKE: So, Spock asked God what he needs with a starship. CAPTAIN PIKE: ...........What.
@1:31 - Do you think they had Pike do that head shake intentionally to roughly coincide with Kirk's reaction to Scotty in the original as yet another easter egg...as if to acknowledge that Pike is thinking he's hearing something that isn't there but should be?
So let’s see. Because of Pike changing his fate by writing the letter. He was never promoted to Fleet Captain thus remained as Captain of the Enterprise instead of Kirk, Ortega and Mitchell remains as navigators and helmsmen instead of Sulu and Stiles, with Sulu possibly remained in the Science Division as a department head. Dr. M’Benga remained as chief medical officer instead Bones McCoy, Kirk end up commanding his old ship the Farragut, Hensen’s son is still alive in the alt timeline. And finally Uhura and Hensen decided not grow out their hair after 7 years?
at this point they may as well reboot the franchise. make pike change his fate and captain the enteprise and let his be the captain in classic tos episodes lol.
@@kevintran5901 yes i know. and i am not going to lie that feels like a cop out to be like this is why we cant make a show like that. when i am just going to say it but there was no need for them to kill off spock like that in the future timeline or even start a romulan war.
My head just went Pike stays Enterprise Captain, Spock and David Marcus Live and the crew is in the wrong place at the wrong time, thus never being able to bring back the whales
@@thewewguy8t88 I got voted way down on Reddit for saying that time travel episodes are a cop-out, and they are. Once you can manipulate events, then anything is possible. I mean, the writers can create whatever fiction they want, but it must be consistent within the framework that they've created. I wish they'd just let Kirk, Spock, and McCoy rest in peace and create new characters in a future time frame where they'd have the freedom to do whatever stories they want without the constraints of canon.
There were some side-by-side moments on the Romulan ships, were there not? One in particular: "I, too, tire of war" except in TOS it was said between Romulans and in SNW it was said to Pike
I think it was just the direction. The beats were longer in the original version. In the updated one, the actors seem to be directed to act a little faster and more stoic than usual.
The Centurion in the 1966 TOS episode seemed more like a Command Chef Bosun's Mate and less like an XO. Not the same relationship as the U Boat Commander had with his XO in The Enemy Below . . . .
In my opinion SNW is the only nu trek so far worth watching because of how it actually bothers to be *faithful* to the series(es) that came before it. Another amazing scene in SNW was the dream Spock has in Spock Amok, which borrowed so heavily from Amok Time that it makes me gleeful every time I rewatch the scene, which I've done a few times. (That would make another great side-by-side IMO) Another thing I really love about SNW is how much it is *setting up* things we know of from TOS, like watching Chapel develop her notorious flame-holding for Spock for example.
I loved this episode. It was quite the nostalgasm. The only things that bothered me were the performances of Peck, Wesley and MacFadzean. They just don't measure up to Nimoy, Shatner, and Leonard, which is especially noticeable in this video, naturally. I never bought that new Kirk was "brash" or a "rule breaker." I also didn't get any of the war-weariness of the Romulan commander that Leonard played so well. Thanks for doing this!
when I watched this ep and Pike was first transported to the future, my first thought was "oh cool they're doing a wedding again, nice little nod to TOS". And then when he got to the bridge I'm like "wait this feels …. familiar? Wait… they're not… are they… holy SHIT THEY ARE THIS IS BALANCE OF TERROR!!!"
No kidding. When I realized it, I got tingles down my spine. So much better than we had a reason to expect. Reminds me of the tribbles ep of DS9.
I just went back and watched then back to back....BRILLIANT❤ everyone, everything on point. Every choice from Pike and reasoning felt authentic and not just "different" because he was in command. He wasn't that "wrong"...Kurt just knew that if we stay we are thing to fight and we have to win and can't hesitate. We'll done to Those Old Scientists both crews.
Even down to the music. Same themes from TOS
A couple of things stand out to me through this. People consistently make fun of Shatner for his dramatic pauses, but if you listen to most of the identical lines, EVERYONE talked like that. That's just the acting style of the time. Nothing wrong with that particular cadence. The other, and biggest, thing is that this episode for Pike is proof positive of a line of Picard's from TNG: "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose." Pike did the right thing, the thing many of our Starfleet captains we've seen on screen for so many years would do. But in this instance, this very instance, Kirk's more aggressive approach was, in plain fact, the correct course of action. You can see that in the sheer difference in outcomes. Kirk lost only one member of the crew and the conflict with the Romulans was isolated, while Pike lost several crew and began a long and bloody war.
I think Kirk's new actor is fine, especially since we are seeing a different Kirk that didn't get command of the Enterprise, but I'm hoping when we see him as a lieutenant in season 2, he puts on a little bit more swagger. Both of the other Kirks had a swagger to them, and while it was exaggerated in Chris Pine, it was still a vital part of the character.
@Tejesh Patel You're correct about Disco's pilot. Which goes to show, the Klingons and Romulans have a little more in common than either race would care to admit.
Look, I have to spread the word, I must. But, here's the thing:
If you look at TNG, Picard was very much an hands-off kind of Captain always.
Kirk was always an hands-on kind of Captain.
Absolutely right, that Kirk's time had more action-oriented Captains.
So here's the fun joke, and the word that must be spread:
Up until the movie Star Trek Generations. Picard was hands-off. BUT, after a *CHANCED ENCOUNTER* with the famous James T. Kirk, Picard underwent a rapid mutation and became - *ACTION PICARD* ! Kicking ass and taking names! 🤣No really. After he meets Kirk, in every movie after that Picard is very hands-on action. Thus proving that, Kirk is indeed the best Captain :P
Well-said.
Kirk was a war-time captain. Pike is a peace-time captain well suited for diplomacy. In this situation, Kirk's aggressive instincts were correct, because as Spock explained, showing weakness would be a fatal mistake.
In "Balance of Terror" The groom died, In "Quality of Mercy" The bride was killed.
That last scene in sickbay just tears my heart out. I realize in the original series they didnt want to spend the $$$ in makeup and runtime to show the casualties, but Tomlinson looking directly into Pike's eyes and Chapel's prognosis of Spock makes it much less like a strategy game and much more tragic.
@Tejesh Patel Dude. It was one thing to realize that it was bad. But to see it and hear it... and then, like you said, to realize the parallel of it. Just brutal.
Their budget was tight. Besides sometimes what you don't see is more powerful than what you do.
Even pike's placement around the bridge when he first walks around it is eerily similar to TOS. The attention to detail on this episode is insane. I'm so looking forward to season 2.
Even Pike copying Kirk's habit of running his hand along the console there.
I love the slash of light across the eyes. It's one of my favorite lightings. Just so damn dramatic
Especially on Ortegas. I squealed.
@@milou66 ♥
The old shows knew how to light eyes, showed more emotion that way, SNW is a tad dark
I watched both back to back, and it was somehow really easy to imagine Ballance of Terror upgraded to the aesthetics of Strange New Worlds. Great example of a prequel done right.
Not really. They'd have to pay the original screen writers. Don't they have plagiarism rules against this? It's unoriginal and the reason why Hollywood is going down the drain, no more new ideas
@@suzygirl1843 What? You think it's plagiarism for a show to reference its own fictional history? That...that's enough internet for today.
@@ScienceGet People are always complaining that there are no new ideas in Hollywood anymore. Wonder why that is?
@@suzygirl1843 so.....a 50+ year TV Series with thousands of episodes and a couple of movies with an ever expanding lore can't reference it's own episodes?
@@Akutenshi1990 People only complain about that because they themselves lack imagination. 🙄
The only way this could be better (by a smidgen) would be to place TOS audio on the left channel and SNW audio on the right channel. Thanks for this effort, it's really impressive.
@@FailingFrequency do a bit of overlap tho. Like 90/10 on each side
I hadn't seen "Balance of Terror" in at least a couple of years when this episode of SNW came out last week, but even then, it was easy to pick up on the obviously identical lines, and even the musical cues and similar lighting in some scenes.
I didn't realize just how close it was though until I saw this video.
This is really excellent work on the part of the production. For a show that I was really afraid I was going to hate, SNW's first season has been really spectacular. For the first time in 18 years, I feel like the people who're working on the show respect the source material and canon, (and I also know that there are those who're going to argue the point with me.) "Quality of Mercy" is the absolute crowning jewel of the season, and a great way to wrap it up.
Can't see what we get out of this show next.
The only reason anybody would argue that the people behind this show don't respect the canon (though the canon isn't as important as you might think it is) and source material is that they are the ones behind the other recent shows.
They don't always respect the canon. But the things they have to change canon (like giving Nurse Chapel a personality) have generally worked.
@@felpin Not to mention the difference in how the Gorn are presented as compared to TOS.
No arguments here, pretty much all the series changes have been improvements.
@@felpin Nurse Chapel is a fox
I love it how pike knows there's something wrong like he's not supposed to be there
he gets dumped into a future reality he has no knowledge of, so he's clueless
He's the variable here. He's still past him, just in the future or rather a vision of it. Sort of like a holodeck programme.
The wedding thing being caught out was funny. He's totally thrown off, forgetting his lines as captain and has no idea what the couple's names are so "you and, you".
@@romulusnr
Balance of Terror mixed with Yesterday's Enterprise. Loved it.
Almost it was a glimpse he couldn't alter it even if he wanted to..
Yep
And a bit of Trials and Tribble-ations from DS9.
This episode was an absolute GIFT.
"Quality Of Mercy" was probably the best episode that SNW has done so far and it was a magnificent finale to the series' first season! Thank you very much for this side-by-side comparison video! Classic, traditional Star Trek has indeed made a comeback to modern-day television! 🙂
Yes: because talentless writers copied a much better episode than they could make, from decades ago, Star Trek has 'returned'. -_-
@@Idazmi7 bet u r like the rest of Major Grin followers, didn't watch the entire episode. Made it so easy to laugh at your idiocy this time round.
Really enjoyed the series, especially for someone that grew up in TNG era, it gave me renewed interested to TOS era more so than Into the Darkness did. Great Tribute but also hold on its own. :)
@@Idazmi7 It's at least more enjoyable than the rest of the series purely because it's a copy. I'm by no means saying it lives up to Trek, but it's watchable without cringing.
It did have its share of problems, however. Pike saying that both sides were sticking to their sides of the neutral zone when they're in firing range of one another is a prime example. Una being arrested for being an Illyrian (a stupid retcon) but La'an continuing to serve and in fact make it to the rank of Commander while being a Noonien-Singh. The Scotty tease which for a moment sounded like Chris Doohan's performance from Star Trek Continues until I looked it up and saw that it wasn't him. I know James Doohan wasn't Scottish but his accent was on point and the new one sounds very forced by comparison. Also, how does future Pike know about Spock's future importance? Spock's efforts to ensure peace with the Romulans didn't start until decades after he would have died of old age. So unless the Klingon monks told him? But then that just highlights that the whole time crystal gimmick on Boreth were a stupid gimmick that shouldn't have even been conceived.
@@MrMikellsof88
That's what I'm talking about. Since TNG, Star Trek has been blasted for it's continuity issues, but these new writers just _revel_ in them. They do whatever, and don't bother establishing any ground rules for any reason. They just roll onward, tripping up over their own story as they go. 😠
I know Pike was thrown there to see his WHAT IF scenario, but look at the cool way Capt. Kirk can handle an emergency.
This was really well done and shows how carefully SNW crafted their show not just as a tip of the hat to the original but to contrast the leadership styles of Kirk and Pike.
The new Hansen didn't even look like he was in pain.
@@Idazmi7 Yeah, I noticed that too but not everyone will be putting in the effort even in a stellar show.
@@oprime
OG Star Trek didn't have any lazy actors.
@@oprime Ironically the new Hansen is the only one of the newer cast who did a decent job.
@@Idazmi7It could be handwaved in that he wasn't caught in the blast so heavily. The damage is still shown clearly.
It's like watching two timelines get further and further apart. Very similar at first but then becomes very different at the end.
The Romulan captain was a mix of Pike's inclination towards diplomacy and Kirk's tactical nous. The identical speech made sense for both men. This is a great video.
I like how Ortegas and the other lady swapped seats so that Ortegas could mirror Stiles in the blocking of the shots.
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I'm a Trek fan since I was a kid, born 88' but if I can be honest I've never watched TOS fully, only bits and pieces and I'm trying in my mid 30s now to do my first full watch of the show. I've watched every other incarnation of Trek from TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DIS, LD, PROD, PIC and SNW. In that regard I didn't even know The BoT episode was a episode mirrored in AQoM in SNW finale. This is a great comparison. Thank you for this I think I know have more motivation to finish TOS. My top series is DS9.
NO one can ever be considered a Trekkie for not watching TOS esp BOT. You should be ashamed of yourself!😓
I absolutely love TOS. I'll confess that I believe that DS9 is still the best out of all of them, but TOS was very similar to DS9 in the sense that we saw humans acting more like humans than in TNG.
By the late 80s, Roddenberry started to believe in his own hype and went out of his way to show humans in the 24th century as being borderline flawless in their social maturity. Wonderful idea, but makes for boring television. That being said, TNG was still an amazing show and had no problems providing entertainment by exploring difficult philosophical quandaries.
DS9 is in first place for best Trek show. I'd say TOS and TNG are both tied for second. ENT for third. I've seen bits and pieces of VOY, but I haven't watched it from beginning to end. SNW is amazing. Haven't seen Discovery as I've heard nothing but bad things, but I'll probably get around to it eventually.
mine is ds9 too and sisko my favorite captain
The relationship between the main characters on TOS is unmatched, it makes the remainder of trek possible. You’ll also get an appreciation for kirks cunning, not just his way with the ladies.
I appreciated Kirks ingenuity more in the films than episodes in the series TOS. @@robgregory5136
Man I love Balance of Terror so much. It was so exciting to get an ALTERNATE timeline version of it. Really fun.
This was very well done. It was interesting to me that due to Kirk's more hands on, aggressive style of being captain, history was changed for the better. Kirk's line at the end of 'There comes a time when you have to fight' feels apt.
This was just all around a fantastic episode, and a great capper to a season that really caught me by surprise with how good it was.
Me too! I saw some clips here and they got me in. This series is getting done with no woke, well maybe a scratch. But they’re doing a great job of it.
This shows how strong the original show could be. Very good of SNW too. I like how SNW is adding value to TOS.
They sure knew how to light a scene in 1966.
Exactly.
Modern Trek is so much darker. I don’t mean thematically. I mean visually. I love Strange New Worlds. But I love how brightly lit TOS was. At least SNW is more brightly lit than Disco.
For the lighting on the original series, you can thank the gaffer, George H Merhoff, my grandfather's brother. As both a relative of his and a trekkie myself, I see how much his work defined that show. There's always been talk in my family that had George lived long enough to do the 80s movies, they would have looked and felt more like the original series
They were also lighting scenes for standard definition analog black and white signals that had just begun being in color. 😂
That director was brilliant. He also directed Dagger of the Mind and Spector of the Gun amongst other really well shot episodes.
My father and I watched The Balance of Terror just a few days before SNW final came. It was really fun seeing all of the similarities between the two.
omg even the updated dramatic music was the same when everyone saw the romulans.
I did not remember that Kirk took a similar walk around the bridge at the beginning of that episode. Even the timing is similar. That's crazy. But good crazy.
Even Spock saying the same lines at the same time was crazy good timing.
Fantastic juxtaposition. I remembered many parts of the original, but my memory betrayed me, and it was great to watch this. Good job!
Such a wonderful love letter to the original series.
Except it’s not, because it contradicts and retcons the original series every chance it gets.
@@Woopaloops dude what
amazing comparison! thanks for making this so quickly!
Thank you for doing this. I’ve gone gone back since watching it the first time, watching both Balance of Terror and Quality of Mercy. Both phenomenal episodes. Could only have been improved by having the Discovery Sarek actor play the Romulan Commander, but it also would have been distracting.
i love how they updated the darmatic revieal music when they see the romulans for the first time lol.
Hell of a job in making this. Very nice touch with music and lighting! The alternate future to show Pike his choices, sacrifice.
Looks like Strange New Worlds is about to be up there with DS9 as thee best Star Trek series....
Seriously my favorite episode of SNW S1. They retold the story well in the current canon and did a great job with it.
That’s remarkable, really well done. I never would’ve guessed they did such extensive patterning from the original episode.
I've seen the original enough times that I was hearing it in my head as I watched it--very much like the experience of this video.
I wonder if the director had an overlay of the original footage on the camera preview? I don't know how they work exactly but I imagine it's feasible to input a feed.
This was so awesome! Thank you!! The only thing SNW should have done differently is cast James Frain as the Romulan Commander.
I knew someone was gonna do this. Kudos for being the first, and doing such a great job!
Thank you for this! Nice to see the parallels in real time. Just watched the TOS episode after watching the SNW finale and recalled the general similarities, and I assumed a lot of the dialogue matches as well but I didn't realize to this degree.
If they decide to redo episodes of TOS with the new cast and effects, i would be all for it! Since they will likely never do that, though, I'd settle for continuing adventures that take place after the last TOS episode and before the movies.
yes, and we know as well that TOS got cancelled, now we can continue that journey ~~
But events from this episode are from the future so that we see what it would have been without Kirk. They can't keep jumping in the future all the time. 😄
If only they'd remake old Dr Who episodes with new cast and effects
@@pertuk I'd love to see First Doctor adventures with David Bradley any day!
@@Emeraldnite-if7vo and remakes of 2nd Doctor stories with Micheal Troughton
Wonderful job on the side by side.. Thank for taking time and sharing it with the your fellow Trekkie community for us to enjoy.
Without knowing what the final episode of season 1 of SNW would be about, i had happened to watch Balamce of Terror two days earlier, made for a great experience having BoT fresh in my mind.
They did such a truly amazing job recreating this legendary episode, and I found a renewed love for Balance in it. I ran to rewatch Balance, and then digest a few comparison videos.
Episode 10 of season 1 of Strange New Worlds, makes this the greatest Star Trek series ever for me. The way both this and original episode played was just stunning. I thought episode 9 was amazing, episode 10 just took it to another level. Can't wait for season 2 😊
Wow! This was amazing to see side by side! I think my only complaint would be…that the dude playing James T. Kirk looks nothing like Shatner, nor does he have the same charisma. I think they would have done better casting Vic Mignona who did a much better job playing a Kirk that was more in line with Shatners in the fan film Star Trek Continues. 💯
STILES: These are Romulans! You run away from them and you guarantee war. They'll be back. Not with just one ship but with everything they've got. You know that, Mister Science Officer. You're the expert on these people, but you always left out that one point. Why? I'm very interested in why.
KIRK: Sit down, Mister.
SPOCK: I agree. Attack.
KIRK: Are you suggesting we fight to prevent a fight?
MCCOY: Based on what? Memories of a war over a century ago? On theories about a people we've never even met face to face?
STILES: We know what they look like.
SPOCK: Yes, indeed we do, Mister Stiles. And if the Romulans are an offshoot of my Vulcan blood, and I think this likely, then attack becomes even more imperative.
MCCOY: War is never imperative, Mister Spock.
SPOCK: It is for them, Doctor. Vulcan, like Earth, had its aggressive colonising period. Savage, even by Earth standards. And if the Romulans retain this martial philosophy, then weakness is something we dare not show.
The one thing I wish about the SNW version is that the Romulan ship interior had called out to "Balance of Terror"'s aesthetics just a little more, in the way that SNW's Enterprise bridge upgrades the original's, instead of being green-lit gloom.
What they did with the Romulan ship was bring it in line with Romulan aesthetics more firmly established in TNG. Green being their signature colour; their military atmosphere being one of paranoia and espionage instead of autofellatious bloodthirst. More Russian than Roman; the Praetor’s laughable “unparalleled aggression” quote included.
There’s a reason Season 2 of SNW went for the TNG Klingon makeup, instead of the Fu Manchu shit from TOS.
I think it works just fine.
@robynsun_love
Yeah but thanks to Enterprise, now the Fu Manchu Klingons are canon and it's kinda awkward that they haven't been addressed yet. Maybe we'll see another Klingon Civil War. Another reason why I felt these new Star Trek shows should have taken place after TNG, DS9 and VOY. I genuinely don't understand making these shows prequels. Especially to TOS. The movie era with the red uniforms would have been a cool timeline to explore
@@robynsun_love (I had to go look the auto- word up! lol)
Picard: "We can't just copy the old material! We must innovate!"
SNW: "Hold my Romulan Ale."
Very cool side-by-side comparison! Thanks for putting this together. 😁👍
I didn't realize that even the blocking was referenced, this is amaznig.
Amazing episode, right up there with the best episodes Trek has ever done 👍
Good work with the editing! Evan Peck is killing it as Spock.
Ethan*
I like him better than quinto
I knew they used elements from Balance of Terror but I didn’t think they practically mirrored the WHOLE episode‼️
Getting the Lighting exactly right is genius.
I've been a Star Trek fan since I was a boy. Here we are 58 years later, and new ST episodes are still being filmed.
I just love how SNW kept a lot of the original dialogue from TOS.
This is the side-by-side video we needed. Bravo!
Brilliantly done!
I haven't yet seen the whole episode (or series) apart from clips on CZcams, but throughout I was trying to recall those very scenes from the Original Series.
Wonderful to see and compare!
I was hoping someone would do this. Having actually done this sort of thing (but never having uploaded it for fear of Viacom reprisal), I can tell you it's as frustrating as it is fun. Only criticism is the pauses in each could have been stills of the last frame rather than just black space. Outside of that, fantastic job.
¡Que amor por la franquicia!, los que hicieron la serie son unos trekkies como nosotros. solo queda agradecer el trabajo hermoso que hicieron. que alegría cuando el arte se hace con ese detalle de cariño a la obra y a los seguidores. enhorabuena
Thanks for the great effort!
The production values look higher today, but except for the fantastic Anson Mount every character in the TOS episode had more character and screen presence. Especially Mark Lenard, whose 2022 counterpart obviously watched Galaxy Quest too often.
He almost seemed to be playing the Romulan Commander as a more "Vulcan-like" guy (very logical) rather than Mark Leonard's "Roman Commander in Space." Leonard was both very good and true to what was written but the latter makes sense in view of how the cannon has developed.
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Romulans don't act like Vulcans - they rejected logic.
@@Idazmi7 But did everyone? Sybok, for example, is a Vulcan who rejects logic. There could be Romulans who tend the other way and this Commander appears to be one of them.
@@johnminehan1148
Then why was he so emotional in the original episode?
I was hoping they'd reshoot at least one episode from TOS when it reaches the end as a sort of hand-off.
Didn't realise they semi-did.
They have really done an excellent job. Congratulations to them.
The only problem I had with this episode was substituting Ortegas for Stiles. She seemed very out of character compared to how she has acted up to this point. Yes it's 7 years later, but still.
I get the impression in this scenario that the Romulans have been doing probing attacks for a while now. Ortegas may have lost someone close pretty recently, and has developed a real hatred for the Romulans at this point.
@@NeilNadelman There was clearly some direction to make the 7 year alternate timeline more bitchy or stand-offish. When Pike entered the bridge and asked for an update, Spock retorted, "Uhura can brief you" even more curtly than usual. This was intentional, but it's not clear what events created that atmosphere.
@@bote-man I've seen it suggested that in this timeline Una being arrested and not saved caused a falling out of sorts between crew and captain, or at least a shift from family to a very professional dynamic. That would explain the curt tone and bitter attitudes towards pike seen in particular when spock is gravely wounded.
True. TOS gave us the 'why' for Stiles' attitude, SNW did not give us the 'why' for Ortegas'
@@WorkWaffle Especially if, in this timeline, Spock found 50 logical reasons why Pike should do nothing to save Una. Pike probably blamed Spock for Una's fate.
Some people here say this New Star Trek sucks? Strange New Worlds is 40 times better than Discovery and Picard.
Kirk: Good morning
Pike: captain
This was awesome. Thanks for putting this together.
The romulan commander looked like the lead alien from Galaxy Quest
That’s him…”Never give up, never surrender. Arr arr arr!”
Would of been funny if they used the actor who played Sarek on Discovery as the Romulan commander. Lol
It just show how well this episode captured the essence of TOS but use it in a wonderful way to move the Strange New Worlds series to the next season. episode captured the essence of TOS episode captured the essence of TOS
The attention to detail is just...
beautiful.
If the Romulan Commander was played by James Fran ... then this hommage would have been perfect.
James Fran played Sarek in DSC, so he was the "new" Mark Lenard who played the first Romulan Commander, befor being Sarek.
Romulan commander should have been played by James Frain for....'continuity'
just kidding, but it would have been a nice tongue-in-cheek joke
By this logic nurse chapel and number on should've been played by the same actress can you imagine 😂
@@AbrahamYork Every other scene "Are you two sisters?" "No."
@@EthanLong Yes agreed this could be a thing ... who knows?
For 'continuity', they should also have Paul Wesley wear a moustache and play Samuel Kirk.
Thank you for the side by side clips. This is great.
There are times when Peck matches Nimoys vocal tone so closely.
Watching the original sends a shiver up my spine, watching SNW no it just dose not have it!
THANK YOU! What a wonderful gift you've given us with this video.
Pike's Enterprise needs smaller ops boards, the reach they need for regular use is ridiculous.
This is awesome. Also I' kinda confused. I had read that SNW takes place roughly 10 years before Kirk takes command of the enterprise. If that's the case why are the stories so similar? Or am I wandering into spoiler territory?
Please pay attention. This incident/episode takes place 7 years in an alternative future, or in 2266.
It'd be cool if it became a once a season thing where Pike things about using the Time Crystal again, only for Future Pike to come back.
ADMIRAL PIKE: Chris, I get it, the wheel chair and one-light yes two-light no thing is creepy, but you gotta stop.
CAPTAIN PIKE: Why, how does Spock die this time? Gets hit by a truck in 1930? I kill him during his Pon Farr? Oh, I know, the Earps and Doc Holiday gun him down because an ensign doesn't pick a fight with the Earps?
ADMIRAL PIKE : Well actually...
CAPTAIN PIKE: A long lost space probe absorbs him instead of the bald child? A genetic superman returns and is pissed off?
ADMIRAL PIKE Actually, Spock was supposed to die there.
CAPTAIN PIKE: Yeah, I know. You realized you could've stolen the Enterprise to get his somehow reincarnated body back.
ADMIRAL PIKE: What's going on is...
CAPTAIN PIKE: An alien probe looking for extinct whales except Spock botched his calculations and we end up incinerated in the sun?
ADMIRAL PIKE: So, Spock asked God what he needs with a starship.
CAPTAIN PIKE: ...........What.
@1:31 - Do you think they had Pike do that head shake intentionally to roughly coincide with Kirk's reaction to Scotty in the original as yet another easter egg...as if to acknowledge that Pike is thinking he's hearing something that isn't there but should be?
I like how Pike surviving his accident makes Hansen bald.
Strange New Words is the best first season out of all the Star Trek serries. E10 was an amazing end to S1!
actually LD e10 is much better....it has key references of Kirk that made it great!
I love how they found lookalikes for the newlywed couple; the groom is almost a doppleganger.
TOS music is so iconic.
So let’s see. Because of Pike changing his fate by writing the letter. He was never promoted to Fleet Captain thus remained as Captain of the Enterprise instead of Kirk, Ortega and Mitchell remains as navigators and helmsmen instead of Sulu and Stiles, with Sulu possibly remained in the Science Division as a department head. Dr. M’Benga remained as chief medical officer instead Bones McCoy, Kirk end up commanding his old ship the Farragut, Hensen’s son is still alive in the alt timeline. And finally Uhura and Hensen decided not grow out their hair after 7 years?
at this point they may as well reboot the franchise. make pike change his fate and captain the enteprise and let his be the captain in classic tos episodes lol.
@@thewewguy8t88 well if you had seen the episode. Then you know what would be the result if that happened.
@@kevintran5901 yes i know. and i am not going to lie that feels like a cop out to be like this is why we cant make a show like that. when i am just going to say it but there was no need for them to kill off spock like that in the future timeline or even start a romulan war.
My head just went Pike stays Enterprise Captain, Spock and David Marcus Live and the crew is in the wrong place at the wrong time, thus never being able to bring back the whales
@@thewewguy8t88 I got voted way down on Reddit for saying that time travel episodes are a cop-out, and they are. Once you can manipulate events, then anything is possible. I mean, the writers can create whatever fiction they want, but it must be consistent within the framework that they've created.
I wish they'd just let Kirk, Spock, and McCoy rest in peace and create new characters in a future time frame where they'd have the freedom to do whatever stories they want without the constraints of canon.
Wow! This is really great! Thanks for putting it together!
Great work on this video. Searched for just this type of thing after watching both episdoes
This is probably the highlight of SNW in it's entirity and possibly the greatest What If episode of all time.
The Original Series eposode is a classic. Hands down💯👊✌️🖖
This episode made my top 5 star Trek episodes the first time I watched it which is god Damm impressive considering how old this franchise is
SNW is literally TOS remade in Unreal Engine 5
Love TOS bridge. Iconic.
There were some side-by-side moments on the Romulan ships, were there not? One in particular: "I, too, tire of war" except in TOS it was said between Romulans and in SNW it was said to Pike
Without a doubt the best episode of Strange New Worlds. This is their “Yesterday’s Enterprise.”
This comparison is truly fascinating. Even I seen TOS ep. at least 60x for last 20years and SNW ep. 10x so far. Thumbs up. 👍
The original actor in the outpost attack was much better. So were the original Romulan Commander and his insubordinate 2nd officer.
I think it was just the direction. The beats were longer in the original version. In the updated one, the actors seem to be directed to act a little faster and more stoic than usual.
They did not rely on CGI back then but on great acting.
The Centurion in the 1966 TOS episode seemed more like a Command Chef Bosun's Mate and less like an XO. Not the same relationship as the U Boat Commander had with his XO in The Enemy Below . . . .
Eh. I thought the TOS Romulan Commander took too long to get out his lines.
In my opinion SNW is the only nu trek so far worth watching because of how it actually bothers to be *faithful* to the series(es) that came before it.
Another amazing scene in SNW was the dream Spock has in Spock Amok, which borrowed so heavily from Amok Time that it makes me gleeful every time I rewatch the scene, which I've done a few times. (That would make another great side-by-side IMO)
Another thing I really love about SNW is how much it is *setting up* things we know of from TOS, like watching Chapel develop her notorious flame-holding for Spock for example.
Trek has been doing what if for 56 years. They haven't lost their touch
I loved this episode. It was quite the nostalgasm. The only things that bothered me were the performances of Peck, Wesley and MacFadzean. They just don't measure up to Nimoy, Shatner, and Leonard, which is especially noticeable in this video, naturally. I never bought that new Kirk was "brash" or a "rule breaker." I also didn't get any of the war-weariness of the Romulan commander that Leonard played so well. Thanks for doing this!
Romulan captain performance was... romulan as we know from TNG but the TOS version was much more, dramatic :)
Eh Peck was fine IMHO, its not 1 to 1 but Peck has made Spock his own.
@@panmarcepan TNG Romulans were always more moustache-twirlers compared to TOS Romulans.
Man as I was watching that episode it felt deja vu. Thanks for confirming 😊
It's amusing, when you watch them side by side like that, you can see the lines that Shatner stole from Nemoy.
Maybe. There's no evidence they were originally Nimoy's