How Hoyoverse are hinting that Teyvat is a Dream | Genshin Impact & Honkai: Star Rail Speculation
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- The Penacony Trailblaze Mission series, Then Wake To Weep, with Sunday is easily one of the best stories that Hoyoverse has developed for any of their games so far.
With outstanding narrative, strong characters, and outstanding music, Penacony would have already ended on a very high note. However, as it turns out, almost everything that The Nameless experience in Penacony with Sunday also functions as a significant foreshadowing of the overarching plot of Genshin Impact, integrating several themes and symbols from the two games seamlessly.
It is genuinely impressive how well Penacony utilized its inspiration from the Angel's Egg to not only tell its own good story but potentially teach us about Genshin simultaneously.
Also, Sunday is now my favourite Hoyoverse character and I wanted to talk about him while I have a chance.
Thanks for watching 😃!
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Timestamps:-
Is Genshin Impact a Fairy Tale? (0:00)
Do Dreams offer escape? (3:05)
The Theater on the Moon (5:27)
Ravens (9:02)
And Then It Was Sunday (12:52)
Through the Looking Glass (18:37)
The Eye on the Moon (24:47)
Final Thoughts (25:37)
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Spoiler Warning:-
Trailblaze Mission Series: Then Wake To Weep
Archon Quest: Masquerade of the Guilty
World Quest: Canticles of Harmony
World Quest: Narzissenkreuz Saga
Anything before version 3.0 is fair game
Anything from Honkai Impact 3rd is fair game
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The light around Mikhails' "moon" also looks a lot like the refractions inside a kaleidoscope.
And a common name for the kaleidoscope is "looking glass".
What you said in combination with the fact that the Sky of Dreamflux Reef is a reflection of the Golden Hour (Penacony's main city) along with Perinheri mentioning how children have to die to walk in the fire of two worlds pretty much tells us precisely everything Hoyoverse is going towards in Genshin Impact.
When people go to Dreamflux Reef, they think they are dead, which matches the "Dying to Walk in the Fire of Two Worlds" from Perinheri.
@@DragonMJEWell... A dream...It makes me wonder if in Perinheri, the question: Are you dead? Wouldn't it mean: Did you enter the dream? To which Perinheri didn't understand, but replied yes.This would show that perhaps Perinheri did not enter into Teyvat's illusion, and for this reason he was able to see beyond Angélica.
Wait, what if instead of committing "not alive", the scene with Caribert taking off his mask was him choosing to wake up from the "dream", escaping his own script? Since he was supposed to be connected to the Loom of Fate. It's speculated in game that hilichurls wear their masks so they won't have to face their image (their reality now), but Caribert took off his mask by his own choice > facing reality (I guess he preferred Robin's pov over Sunday's 😅)
Good idea tbh.
In the new Archon Quest, Traveler's sibling mentions that they doesn't think it's a coincidence that at the end of their journey, they saw exactly what the Traveler wished to see, that specific flower in full bloom
Sunday is legit one of the best characters Hoyoverse ever made. I really hope he becomes playable!
He’s definitely going to be playable, no doubt about it. His design screams playable character and we already got Robin
What I love about everyone’s reaction to him is how they all feel very strongly about him. They either absolutely despise him or love him and adore him. And even the ones who despise him do acknowledge how well-written he is (the ones that actually paid attention to the story that is). I haven’t seen anyone be neutral about him which I think speaks of complexity of his character.
REAL sunday my belovef
I just realized that layla's character selection pose is likely another reference to Princess Fillianore and the angels egg. She is literally asleep holding the globe from her burst, and in her idle she constantly has to save the globe from being shattered. no idea why it took me this long to realize this but mihoyo has now taken my sanity and im not getting it back
Yup, Layla is really cool. Her constellation is also Luscinia, which is the Nightingale.
IS THAT A DARK SOULS 3 REFERENCE???!! HOLY SHIT ➡️⬅️⬇️↖️↙️↘️⬆️↗️⬅️⬇️➡️↙️↖️↩️↪️↩️↪️↩️↪️↩️↪️↩️
In a way, the Narcissenkreuz quest "spoiled" the plot, where instead of Mary-Ann stuck in a dream that is her Annapausis, we have someone stuck dreaming of Teyvat. The world is fake but not completely, I believe that the "dream" is being "replayed" on top of a physical world. It also explains why the vase was still broken after Nahida "fixed Irminsul". You can change some contents of the dream, but not the underlying physical reality it seems.
Maybe that makes Geo special: it doesn't interact with the other "magical" elements, and Zhongli is so different to other archons. The whole circle vs square thing could be dream vs physical reality. It is possible that the Melusines see the physical world and not the dream.
Similar to the samsara, Nilou was "cursed" to relive the same day, someone is reliving the same story in different ways, and we are at the fourth iteration of the dream.
The dream is apparently about a hero fighting a dragon, and of a great calamity that ensues. The context for the fight is a kingdom, as to which one (Celestia, the one in the gnostic hymn, Immernachtreich, the Moon Palace) I don't know, but one should be the "real one" and the others are dream iterations.
It seems that some people "figure out" directly or indirectly that Teyvat is dream-like. One way to break free of the dream seems to "gather enough will" to oppose the will of the dreamer.
As for who is dreaming, not sure yet. It could be one of the "main" characters, it could be the Heavenly Principles. It is also possible that the Heavenly Principles has "hijacked" the dream by gathering enough will, for example by succeeding in one of the attempts to merge enough minds (other attempts have been done by Deshret, NarcissenKreuz, the hive mind in Sumeru and Phobos in Remuria).
Some interesting lines: "reality is buried deep beneath the illusion" and "waking world, you seem woven from the stuff of dreams" by Raiden Shogun. And of course Rukkha saying that Nahida is her in the next samsara, or "the same character in the next iteration of a play that is a dream".
25:18 I never noticed that there is a Sun right above Mikhail... Hoyoverse really went hard with Penacony x Genshin symbolism.
I want to point out, as well, Egeria's sacrifice to seal the abyss in the desert that created a tree that reached through the sky into the gaping opening in both the sky and the earth that until you repair it exists as a 'mirror' that allows you to see the husk of the tree when you stand on it, but when you stand on the tree stump and look up, you can see the desert where the other portal is. When you repair it, a ghostly tree emerges from the stump and reaches up to the hole in the sky, through the portal in the desert, creating a second oasis. You can find a consecrated cat, there, that sort of reminds me of the cheshire cat with how it seems to disappear and reappear (kind of like the rift hounds?) You can't go through the portal until after you go to repair the hole, but it simply becomes a not-quite domain that you need sorush to help you navigate. Sorush, who is a descendant of Egeria's tears in the same way Oceanids are. And all this happens in the area of Sumeru that the boys from the Narzissenkreuz quest went to study the cataclysm disaster. 'u'
Lol reading about that tree reminded me of this one visual novel made for GGZ called "Honkai Servant Era" and in the last chapter, one of the "familiars" finds a device that once activated, causes the "World Tree" to grow. Idk why but it does lol
Also idk why this visual novel and other GGZ lore is overlooked, because I found connections to Genshin in this also.
Like one piece of info that talked about a world that was created called the "Ark" and it's supposed to be a safe place from the Honkai. Dunno if it's about Genshin, but Teyvat does mean "Ark" in Hebrew.
the rainbow bridge huh.. we can probably create one when we find out the secret of venti's statue & the reason why they're 7 spare elemental oculi left after you collect all of them
Ah, the bifrost to Asgard
Aka Mario kart rainbow road
A rainbow bridge..
From the hand of Venti's statue..
To the gate of the Spiral Abyss..
[23:49] My favorite comparison to exemplify this would be with the book *The Neverending Story* _(Die unendliche Geschichte, 1979):_ Bastian, the reader _(us?),_ sees the people of Fantastica _(Teyvat?)_ as mere characters in a book but slowly realizes that they are somehow _aware_ of their condition as mere characters, and some of the people even end up trying to become un-alive by leaping into The Nothing _(the Abyss?)_ that is slowly swallowing Fantastica - becoming _"lies"_ in the real world after such process (...Hillichurls?); the hero, Atreyu _(...Dainsleif?),_ wants to save the Child Empress _(Istaroth!?)_ but she believes that only a REAL human from outside Fantastica can save both her and their world _(...an Descender?!)_ from total annihilation and, somehow, they end up summoning Bastian _(now the Traveller?!!)_ into their world; To save their world, the human needs to give her a new name _(Scaramouche / Irminsul rewrite!!)_ and _wish_ things in Fantastica but, in the process, they lose their memories of the real world _(... trading memories for power? "erosion"? becoming a character too, after forgetting their main purpose for doing too many daily quests?!)_
The parallels go on and on... I really love that book and it really _really_ fits your description of how Genshin would work to a "T".
I wanna see scara involved so bad man anyways I'm curious on what dottore role is because the secret experiment what arlechino and dottore was erosin of the memories like your past self was burn to ash and then rebirth to a new person
The never-ending story is such a great comparison of breaking the 4th wall between the reader and the fiction!
wtf that’s totally genshin i’m shook
DUDE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT EHAT I WAS THINKING A FEW DAYS AGO. After Penacony, Scara's comment on the fake sky suspiciously sounded so similar to how the family has a controlled zone while the real dream zone can only be witnessed after breaking through the sky (Aventurine and Acheron scene)Great work theorising! Idc if this is the route genshins lore takes, I just love this path too!!
Teyvet is a huge then panacony it is similar in away but has a lot of stuff
I can't imagine the seizure the latest 4.7 trailer would've given you, you guys have chosen a though job man
It's sticking out like a sore thumb to me the freaking obsession of the ancient God-kings of Teyvat with hivemind schemes AND how those freaking things somehow are dream-like states. Deshret with the "GOLDEN SLUMBER" pretty on the nose, aye? Remus and his Phobos... I'm almost sure Decarabian had something like that going on...
But more importantly, Alhaitam's and Nahida's story quest both talk about dreams and hive-minds and their dangers.
Oh. And the whole Sumeru archon quest with the akasha fuctioning like a collective "dream harvester" and creating CICLES and DREAM BUBBLES??? HELLO??? THE TRAVELER EVEN GOES INTO THEM??
take note.... the boss fight for sunday is also akin to cracking an egg (breaking his layers of shields). his final form also looks the shape of an egg
The question of "Am I dead?" reminds me of that weird ritual from the Crimson Moon Dynasty. Seeing as that's also moon related, I do wonder if there's any relation there too. Also, I see a resemblance between the Penacony Grand Theater, being the centerpiece of the story and a location floating in the sky above everything, and Celestia, also being the centerpiece of the story and a location floating in the sky above everything.
My crack theory about Teyvat was that the false sky is a sort of projection (maybe tangible too) created by something within Celestia. The fact that the Grand Theater bears resemblance to Celestia, houses a Stellaron whose power is harnessed to create the Dreamscape, makes this theory feel a little less crack.
Side note: It's funny how Sunday, who has very strong Luciferian (Luciferan?) references, is essentially foiled by Misha, the Legacy of the Watchmaker. The Watchmaker being Mikhail, whose name originates from the Hebrew Mikha'el: The very name that implies no person is like God. I.e. Michael, the archangel, who leads a heavenly host to war against Lucifer.
Edit: I'm live-reacting, so disregard my comments if I haven't said anything new or notable. xD
Worth noting for the future: You didn't need to bring up the whole connection with Rhinedottir and Elynas to connect "mirror" to "looking glass" because a mirror is exactly what a looking glass is. It's an older phrase that refers to the exact same object.
So that's MC can transform wooden sword to real sword. Because we have strong will and can make influence in dream. 😮 And forbidden knowledge make you realise that you are in dream and it's just ilusion.
They really released Remuria/Phobos etc in Genshin around the same time that they released this choir/Order/symphony stuff in HSR huh?
I absolutely think that Teyvat is a Dream. But only in the same regards that Earth is theorized to be a Simulation or Dream. But, I think people are conflating the mechanism of a dream with the aspiration's of dreams. What I mean is, regardless if that either Teyvat or our own Universe is a Simulation is merely a mechanism for the story. In both cases, both worlds, like Penacony, are sequestered off worlds that are distinguished from the rest of their realities. Essentially safe-spaces.
So then what is the Dream in these cases; Teyvat, Penacony, or even Earth? It's the dream of Society of Civilization. Where people are welcomed and a safe space of order is created out of the chaos of outside the 'dream'. Regardless of their moralities; Sunday, Remus, and even the Primordial One, all had the dream to create a safe society for their people.
So why then, did they all fall short? Were their dreams inherently bad? No, I don't think so. I think they failed because along the way the Societies lost their Humanity. The people gave up their freedom for safety at the cost of their humanity. The only real weakness that's involved is where you knowingly give up your freedom of thought to become a drone in a safe society. Essentially a Hivemind.
Generally, when free ideas of thought can longer be exchanged because no one is willing to compromise for the sake of the whole,; is when Society leads to disaster. Whether by in-fighting or would be opportunists. It's not really about being weak or strong, but about giving up entirely. A perfect example of someone weak leading the charge against a corrupt Society is the Nameless Bard from Mondstadt. He was willing to fight for a better dream.
A dream or a sumsara? A Samsara is made-up for Teyvat. Teyvat is pretty much of a fairytale in itself. Then Nahida makes up the fairytale about the cat and the monster to remind Scaramouche about his life as Kabukimono in Tartara suma. . Gension uses The Steadfast Tin Soldier, for the little boy to explain to Kabukimono about having a heart! Of course fairytales are the basis for Gension and Honkai Star Rail!
22:09 it just clicked in my head that the very beginning of the battle pass with the floating castle and the mosaical sun(?) behind it looks waaayy too similar to the penacony 'moon' you showed earlier in the video 🤯
Awesome analysis as always!! btw in case nobody mentioned it yet, in the theater during our confrontation with Sunday just before the battle, notice he was standing on a triquetra symbol.🙂
Great video! Sunday is def one of the best Hoyo characters
also in regards to Teyvat being storybook/fairytale
in the new endgame description we got new hint alongside already existing ones:
"Before the beginning of all stories, after the end of all tales, in the interstice between reality and fantasy, there is an endless drama unfolding, never ceasing upon the stage - there is no beginning, nor an end, for in the telling of the "story" , the two differ not"
one thing we can gather from this is that end and beginning doesn't matter, because well...if you can know about both past and future in the present time, then it's like you are going through the pages of a book, like reading a story...story of Teyvat
hence "history of the future" is basically knowing what happens ahead in the book.
Best lore video ever i have seen
You posted this 1 min after the video went up
@@stxrrydBro's confident with the meal on the table
It's so good to play both games, you get an even greater understanding of both this way
Okay. One time i was called crazy by some of my friends to think that teyvat was like a giant dream rather than a standard Hoyo world/universe/leaf. Ever since the Spiritual Adam chapter of Hi3. I had this thought that maybe the reason why haven't really seen any more hints of teyvat in other games(aside firm that one Davalin scene in chapter 17 in Hi3 and the Herta Space Staion easter egg) is that it's functioning like a Spiritual Adam. Where in multiple dreams or layers of dreams are woven together forming a world of it's own.
A decent amount of views in a reasonable timeframe. This channel is truly performing
Refreshing 😂
@@A8NTnoVidHeOBased Starfire pfp
Looks like My Name For Now didn’t read the Baal drink description in Penacony that talks about Teyvat and the story of Baal and Beezlebub. 😊
Wait, which drink?
@@L16htW4rr10rThe hoyofair one, created by the fans
It's not canon tho it's an event created by fans
@@rawr30009 well, they are followers of the enigmata after all, history fictionologists, they exist everywhere in the internet, mainly people who spread misinformation.
Man, the parallels are really mind blowing! Even more so with HI3rd story, like Kevin's Project Stigma which was quoted when Acheron and Welt first met about a dream-like utopia. Also, the Penacony's Grand Theatre, the Celestia at the sky, Kevin's Moon Base. Plus, Sunday, the Primodial One, and Kiana Finality sharing the wing and crown motif.
Thanks for doing the work making this video, I've been wanting to write up something on this topic for quite some time but just haven't had time. One thing you didn't even bring up is the nature of the Akasha, which had the ability to link and harness people's own dreams (which Genshin often equates to people's will and entire worlds) as power that can be used to heal Irminsul of its Forbidden Knowledge corruption and even to create a God. It also was able to draw people's consciousness into a looping shared dream. There are just endless hints. XD
EDIT: Also, consider the story of the First Sage, who went on a journey to find the God of Wisdom (unknowingly in a dream), and returned to reality with the knowledge and wisdom gained during that dream journey. Perhaps Teyvat is an opportunity for a condensed training arc?
More like a nightmare tbh
Farming was, which is why I dropped the game but still follow the story through content creators 💀
This would put a whole new meaning to the title “Before Sun and Moon” huh 😂
Better yet, the traveler we been playing wasn't asleep, we were dead and we respawns in 500 years ...
couldn't it be the micro universe that the radio thing talked about during it's pre penacony airing ?
its the after life and a test to see where we go We and our sibling are long dead ... you get Digitized in to cubes at the beginning plus for some reason we ae not it that big of a rush to find our sibling as we are so easily distracted ... but the truth of this world is its a Shadow of a world that ended long ago and we are traveling through its memories to learn what happened to it due to our interference
ashikai mentioned this on her recent stream. love both of your contents ♥
I have been believing that the 3 moons, if the famous 3 princesses that are mentioned so much do not exist as living beings, but it is an allegory or rather a reference to the 3 realms, emptiness, light and reality, adding that its history is no more than a mixture of several myths that were superimposed and changing them little by little, where in reality they only tell us that the traveler from the other world (phanes) separated reality, which is where we are, from the other realms, since the human or can live in the original chaos that was teyvat, where the 3 realms existed at the same time that's why it had 3 moons.
But the end, where one is dies and all that, is nothing but the same cataclysm that has been telling us in different perspectives throughout the game, if the war of revenge and the fall of the ancient civilization.
But what this has to do with the video, I would say a lot, I do not believe that GI or rather teyvat itself is a dream, since there is a plane of dreams that now Nahida is the one who rules over it. I would rather say that Phanes, the one that many consider as a villain, always protected teyvat trying to give that Utopia that he talks so much about that was the ancient civilization and that now no longer exists, being his dream to protect teyvat from what is coming in the future that he has created, with the help of his shadows, this "theater" where each individual has to follow his script (destiny) so he can achieve his dream, save teyvat from the abyss (not the same as void), which seeks its destruction.
And unlike colonipenal he does not seek to control everyone, but to give freedom to all from that enemy that cannot be won with pure power, since he has destiny (the loom of destiny) in his hands.
I cant wait to see what you cooking with surtalogi!!!!!!
Dream Aria
I came back here from the Simulanka's side story quest and MAN .... I WOULD NEVER THOUGHT THIS THEORY WILL CONVINCE ME THIS MUCH
Well in the Sumeru Archon quest act1 they do a literal dream harvesting similar to Perinheri and HSR. With main dreamer being a THEATHER PERFORMER impersonating as the MOON MAIDEN who also has a HYDRO VISION. They really planned this all, bastards.
I for a long time took it as *Imaginary* simply because of all the Triquetra everywhere, they were suggesting it wasn't "real" from the start. I remember when HI3 Moon saga was going on people likened Genshin to a finished Project Stigma, I hope its something like this or Sunday's version.
BRO YOU COOKED 🔥🔥 This is such an amazing speculation!!
Memoria is seeping into Asdana, which allows the imaginary become the truth. This is why one can't simply wake up from a dream in Penacony, in my opinion - it is the "reality" at that point. I'm only wondering who is in control of that "reality". If we are stuck in a loop, I suppose the question is, who would want the events of Penacony to keep looping?
Anyway, the video is amazing. You've connected a lot of dots as usual. It makes sense now why the PO could no longer control Teyvat fully after the fall of the Moon Sisters. As for Penacony, I love the characters and philosophies each represents. It's such a strong story in all aspects: character development, pacing, themes, philosophical/ethical/political questions, set ups and payoffs, and some twists/surprises. I'm glad to see such improvement in HSR's writing.
I noticed most events focus on 4 stars recently, maybe making past events replayable was already on hoyo's plan.
The way you pronounce names makes me really happy
Im enjoying your video so much bro ❤
24:21 and with the new mission we got we learn that the abyss wanted to be able to weave ley lines, create events of their own, something that it is not "written" in their fate. at least that's what i understood because Caribert messed with ley lines and created memories, so actually Weaving them could create events of their own, not something just in people's minds
the theater and celestia from the mang are similar in side
4:27 yay, my wife Alice mention yay
I think after the 4.7 archon quest we know that Chlothar said that just to comfort Caribert
I feel like a very interesting video would be genshins connection to hi3 part 1.5 arcs theres a lot of connection there its insane
I just realized that amy ficial pet freind is kanna kepicher from inazuma an electro birb last given vision to amy ficshal
21:55 Thankyou for recommending this book, I haven't read this one. Lowkey that gives me more vivid depiction on what's going on in Genshin but it also gives me more questions instead.
I wonder if Genshin is on the route that consciousness is eternal thing? Because, I would really associate 'death' with the death of memory in this game. And Teyvat seems to be the most sustainable hub that the souls/beasts in this game envy the lives within it. Also, it's a term for an ark so I would let loose Mihoyo if they want to call it as a literal ark or even a planet, (or a bubble (ark) on a planet). Like, they know it would work nonetheless.
Also the fact that PO born from the egg and recreate the world with the same eggshell. If traveler eat the world, then the world is like an egg yolk? And if the egg is the microcosm of the world then what do they mean by 'the universe' in this? Abyss outside of Teyvat? (space itself?) And with the glaring existence of the genesis pearl, it wouldn't be so strange that somehow they would make it like 'a dream inside of a dream'. But, I do think this story is not about meaningless loops, this surely about progress. And depends on what they mean about progressing to be 'better', is it escaping samsara (death/eternity) or having a better samsara? (like Dainsleif wants?)
Or it's something more, the fact that they laid out the dream situation already before the grand reveal of everything. Please, surprise me Genshin Impact, I've been Furina from The Final Feast video for a while now 🥲
2:57 don't forget there is the Traveler's glider in HSR 😉
And what? There's also Murata's sword in the same room
@@chester9787 Welt came from the Honkai Impact 3rd Universe (there is a comic somewhere about that).
@@chester9787 Also Vyn's cards from Tears of Themis.
I always took Clothar's statement that Caribert is in a "fairy tale world" is a way for him to explain to his young son what is going on without him freaking out. It's just helping Caribert to cope with his transformation.
Still, fairy tales are a huge theme throughout all of Genshin
When Chlothar told that to Caribert, it was exactly as you described. However, when you consider the context from an outsider's perspective, the use of a "Fairy Tale" can foreshadow more than what that simple scene suggests.
@@DragonMJE This is true - especially since Genshin writers love using symbolism and reusing certain themes to tell a larger story.
Since we talk about fairytale oz and Nutcracker are a fairy tale that you could just jump in, the Nutcracker is of course scara aka wanderer who is also a Pinocchio and uhhh tin man from oz because tin man wants to search a heart, the balerina also known as clara could be traveler because clara is a sugar plum princess literally a princess her power can cure a curse just like traveler cure dvalin tear i'm sure they can cure some still not awaken the potential but some progress and in the Nutcracker story there is a king rat which is difficult for me to figure who is king rat for me I think is the heavenly principle cause the only one who is corrupt and want to rule magical kingdom to gain power that just my guess
Going along with your conclusion that whoever is on Celestia is the one in charge of the "dream" that is Teyvat...
Well, the intro to every time we log in to the game is a pathway leading to a door, a pathway we can assume is in Celestia. And what happens when we enter the door? Genshin begins. The simulation starts.
Celestia might not just be a control tower, it might also be an access point. A gateway to Teyvat's "dream", even.
There is a sea of clouds below the login screen; if it were in Celestia, that would imply we should not be able to see Celestia from the ground of Teyvat. No, I think the login screen is beyond Teyvat entirely, and is a nexus realm where all the people's dreams can be accessed from.
It also looks like an eye
I feel Genshin is Matrix that all living being and experience wasn't real at all. We're connected to a huge Computer systems "Irmisul" and the teyvat we see was a illusion.
now i wish you made star rail videos
That is not needed - games have very similar episodic structure, but very different overaching structure, Genshin is a riddle, and Star Rail is "stuff happens". Star Rail's structure is pretty uninteresting one, imo.
@@GolgothianSylex I think Star Rail serves its purpose as a more experiential title. Genshin is exceptional (particularly in the denotative sense of being highly unusual) in that it presents a JJ Abrams Mystery Box, but unlike Abrams, they knew exactly what was in the box from the start, and that has allowed them to create an incredibly foreshadowable and unravelable story.
I appreciate the sentiment but Clothar could just be using that line to calm down Caribert knowing how shocked he is going to be seeing himself as a monster. I am sure it has deeper meaning as well but in that context I think it's meant to be interpreted that way. Keep in mind Clothar said that to our sibling not us and this is a pivotal event for what Lumine chose to do next. Lumines understanding of Theyvat's structure is far deeper than ours the loom of fate is tied to her fate somehow for no longer being worthy of the Descender title. I am hoping we get some kind of context in the next update...
You were cooking. And I waited and let you cook. But then you overcooked.
Awesome
I don't know if anyone mentioned already in this sea of comments that, when you said Genshin and HSR are probably not from the same world, they actually are.
Search for the description of the "Baal Royale" drink that HSR made on a special, it tells about a 'ancient and long forgotten world' called 'Tavyet' (yes this is how it's written) discovered by IPC archeologists and that the drink is inspired by a tale they translated from there, it proceeds to tell said tale and it talks about the story of two sisters. Anyone reading that can tell is the story of Ei and Makoto. Hence the name of the drink. So, yeah, not only Genshin is from the same world, but it is also ancient and long forgotten. 😂
Wait! You mean Eula's hips aren't real!?!? NNNNNOOOOOO
- A certain Lawachurl
WAIT could this be why some people have visions? Like sure visions make vision bearers powerful but also, if their ambitions are so strong, then maybe the gods gave these people visions as a hidden way of subduing them somehow? Wasn't there a character who said that having a vision also meant to be unable to escape the fate laid out for them?
I am not caught up with GI nor HSR (I am years behind on Genshin in fact), so I'm not gonna watch the video just yet as to not spoil myself on Penacony, but I will share my 2 cents anyway, to contribue to the discussion.
As a mainly Honkai Impact player, I've always considered Teyvat simply a bubble-world, and not a proper world like HI3, GGZ and HSR. Honkai Impact Part 1.5 and Part 2 reinforce that notion for me.
In The Reconciled Stars event Scara says that the sky is false. Of course, that stood out, but didn't make sense until years later. If I remember correctly, in Honkai Impact 3rd Par 1.5 deals with a bubble world where a sky is a reflection of the parallel bubble world, connected to it, with the "moon" being a crystal on the other side, therefore having a fake sky as there was no actual celestial body and cosmos. In part 2, it is stated that Oxia, a bubble world that contains one of Mars' cities has a world edge that can be reached within ~3 hours of driving. Therefore with a reinforced concept that bubble worlds can have physically limited and or fake boundaries, it's easier to believe that Teyvat is one such small space, as Teyvat is all there is, there are no other countries or continents that aren't part of 7 nations, Khanriah and Celestia, making it a pretty limited space, fitting a bubble world criteria.
Another thing that pointed me to this conclussion is the specific line of dialogue in HI3, that mentions bubble worlds having a rule that must be followed (unless it was specifically Country of Iron Sand/Holy Snow City and the Oracle thing), or else the entire bubble will face consequences, like a cataclysm that would destory that world. In Genshin's case, the consequence is wrath of Celestia/Sustainer of Heavenly Principals. Since she says "Human arrogance ends here" or something to that extent, it implies that humans of Teyvat broke the world's rule (likely Khanriah people becoming too technologically advanced and not dependant on Celestia, like being able to control elements without a vision and somesuch?).
Never considered it being a dream tho. Regardless, it would have to exist in a dimension or state, that would allow 2nd Divine Key to locate it and look into it, as Otto was observing Dvalin, and "dreams" do fall into this category somewhat. Like when Sirin and Kiana both used Void powers on Fu Hua's feathers to enter a dreamscape/illusion on separate occasions. So if they did it, 2nd Divine Key can observe similar occassions, as it's the same* power afterall, giving credibility of it being a dream/illusion (granted Divine Keys are not as flexible in their powers as live Herrschers, cue that whole explanation on dead/alive cores from Kolosten arc). For all we know it could still end up being one of Griseo's paintings, unless that's somehow been debunked as factually impossible. Does make me remember specific Vill-V line to Cosma, about if he went to space on the Ark and used his Vishnu powers to endlessly grow stronger, it would birth a bubble world out of sheer power level or something like that (stuff like this DID happen, as Kevin's existance created a bubble world that relives Sakura's fate and Welt created 3 bubble worlds with time loops and shit to protect the core of Reason), essentially meaning Teyvat could be either intentional or unintenional creation of a particularly powerful entity out there 🤔
Final few possibilities I can think of are: Teyvat used to be a real place, but it had it's own Finality which destroyed it, which created a bubble world of Teyvat, in a similar fashion how Moon and Mars have their own post-Finality bubble versions of themselves. Or if we lean on the dream aspect, it could somehow be a Genshin version of Adam Ruhani aka Spiritual Adam?
Idk if anything I said is mentioned in the video, again, don't won't to spoil myself on anything HSR related, even if I end up being cooked, rather than the one cooking.
I mean, there's a Glider in Herta's Space Station, so Teyvat is at least canon
15:39 Yamcha reference 😅
Nightingale and Sparrows,
Did You know, some sparrows are called
"Old world Sparrows"
They did their homework
Seems like reality often associated with hardships. In terms of Genshin (or real life) the universe itself could be said that it should not exist, because it's 'too good to be true'. And what else too good to be true? A dream. If outside of the universe is 'nothing' then this nothing might be the most reality out there. No wonder Ei said that reality is the *stillness* beneath the illusion.
There is a riddle in Enkanomiya that was forbidden and it has something to do with a Loop. Basically, what this riddle suggests is that we do not know exactly the origin and the end. It's as if everything is a dream. And that it's like a complex loop beyond understanding.
Whoever is dreaming this shet better dream more 5* character drops!
I fergott his name is clothar 💀 anyways map guy 🔛🔝
Yes, Chlothar is the meme map guy.
@@WhiteGold-tg1qj I love how Chlothar's legacy is him being a meme on Genshin's Interactive Map.
Truly the abyss order creator of all time
Maybe a dream that came true?
I'm not a Genshin player, but videos about Genshin lore speculations are always somewhat interesting to me. Hoyo's creators being huge Eva fans do seem to like the Instrumentality Project-esque plot on top of their Samsara cycles and struggles against fate.
In HI3, Project Stigma seeks to redefine humanity by flipping the relationship between humanity and civilization. If civilization is the story written by humanity; it's narrative... then civilization can be the blueprint by which humanity be created anew without the weakness that dooms it to its foe. Civilization is to be made into humanity's fairy tale, by which humanity is then turned into characters that exist to continue the tale(civilization). The executor of this grand project sits on the moon, having usurped the throne of humanity's foe where he would then be fated to watch over the new budding humanity in a solitary vigil for how many ages it would take for the new humanity to fully bloom. Should the plan succeed.
Kevin was once thought to be Merlin by Arthur... so not only is he the Icarus who flies to fall and inspire others to succeed where he fails, he is also the greatest of magicians.
Been saying this for ages.
"the traveler is in a coma, and its all a dream" l dint think l see this brain rot in 2024.
i feel like if an fandom exists, there WILL be an coma or "everybody is dead" theory about it
So Sunday is a descender/primordial one wannabe and the Hexenzirkel follows Elio and the Finality, got it 👍
so your fantasy anime (game) world is just a dream all along? daring today are we🤭
Mikhail, also known as... genshin King Irmin!
youre so good at convincing ppl. flat earthers needs to hire u
This reminds me of that ashiki video where she talks about the red king and alice through the looking glass and how alice might be a dream of the red king.....you know with the similarities and everything, i could belive that we are in a dream.....who's dream
plot-twist: its paimons dream
Capitano video when
Personally, im more inclined to think it is a mirage, or more likely a "reflection world"
So, basically like the world in the Elder Scrolls?
AGAIN?!?!?! HOW MANY DREAM PLOT TWISTS DID HOYO PUT UP WITH???
At last someone pronounced Mikhail correctly...
HSR is the same world. You have same Genshin wings in HSR.
nice evangelion refrence man
was it the reason why Rukkhadevata removed the dreams from her people?
Teyvat is just an alternate universe whete Project Ark or Stigma worked…
Clothar woke up and he’s Boothill 😂😂😂
Project Ark crash landed in Oort Cloud - it never left Solar System.
@@GolgothianSylex how about an alternate branch where it didnt?
@@scrappy_horns8139 we are working with Tegmark Multiverse levels, it's possible and did happen, but Hoyo doesn't go full out on this theory - it would create even more difficulties with stories, and people are pissed about Penacony(which was easy to understand and pretty normal). So, in short, they are not reusing the exact same planets with same scenarios, even if it makes sense from worldbuilding perspective.
I know for a fact MNFN got A*** with honors on every single essay he ever wrote in high school and college
Rukkha sus
Sunday definitely wanted to be THE PRIMORDIAL ONE A PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS 😤
😏🤫 i see what you did lol
Sooooo.....matrix?
well-----
Just a teeny tiny correction because I despise how much credit Wagner gets (he was an awful Nazi and his music is very Nazi-ish enjoy at your own risk).
He did write the Operas about the Ring of Nibelung but the story itself is much older.
It is one of the oldest legends in Old German and therefore very important. Wagner did not invent the story, he only transformed it into an opera.
Ik honkai star rail is not related with genshin i dont play honkai star rail but ik i bit of honkai star rail lore in the latest trailblaze quest in the end of that quest Acheron and black swan says something abt Enas dream im not sure but i do know Ena is all abt order and manipulation. Ena is a eye wanting control "Order" watch over everything like celestia in genshin. In your theory your saying genshin is a fairy tail but what if its one of Enas dreams a place full of control and order the "Hevenly prnciples" might be Enas order over teyvet. In Allerchinos demo we see an eye. In perinari (idk the spelling of the book srry)
They mention an eye in the sky that all decenders are shown in the hearth what if that Eye in the sky is Ena cleansing the decenders to be a part of teyvet. Maybe the hexcencircle witches are like the memoceepers in teyvet they remember things that should not be known in tevet. One more thing Black swan keeps memorys in cards im not sure but in invocation tcg there are charecter cards holding information abt them even paimon has a card weapons,artifacts,npcs from world quests,food they all have their own cards having information abt them its like someone is keeping track of the travelers meetings and moments and capturing them in cards idk this just my own observations i do not know anything abt honkai star rail so if i said somthing wrong plz correct me
Damn yall read the whole thing 👁👄👁
Do somthing better with your time
Ohh here it is
@@TheUnintelligentOne yee
@@TheUnintelligentOne this "theory" is just a small observation it might be very wrong
One thing wrong with this is Ena the order is dead or at least has already been absorbed by Xipe. Even Sunday's incantation invoked the power of Xipe instead of Ena. The path of order isn't completely dead but it lies in Harmony. In regards to Genshin Ena's dream only affected the Azdana system. Genshin is not a part of Honkai Star Rail's story he's only talking about it as it may have some parallels to the story of Genshin. like using similar source materials and so on
You should Play HSR BTW it's story is great on its own.