Minute of Mae: French RSC 1917
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• History of WWI Primer ...
As Ian says, "No one copies the French and the French copy no one."
Amen.
Given that an iteration of the design yielded one of the most successful combat rifles of all time, you couldn't have found a worse example if you tried.
@@lefr33man I'm not berating this gun.
@@tacticalmattfoley I fail to see how "No one copies the French and the French copy no one" can be interpreted in any other way than berating, but if you say so.
In any case, this is factually incorrect in this specific case, as John Garand iterated on the design for its M1 rifle, in the car industry (the field where this expression comes from), as the French invented the injector, the V8 engine, the catalytic converter and the hydropneumatic suspension to name a few, and in general.
@@lefr33man I think that someone took it way to literally also using the French as joke is well pretty realistic tbh
so many of these early french semi autos have such iconic looks, like something out of Victorian sci fi
Steampunk
@@hansblitz7770 Yep. Those rifles would have been perfect for some steampunk flick.
It's literally a Victorian weapon, in a way, since the factory building these guns still use the same machinery and technique from Victorian era.
@@hansblitz7770
Don't forget Diesel/Atompunk.
It's the weird mags.
This is one of those guns that if I ever manage to find in shootable condition I would still be hesitant to shoot it much.
It really has a one-off prototype vibe, doesn't it?
@@Chilly_Billy 100%
The made 80,000 of them. They are robust guns the thing weighs like 10 pounds. The only problem are the clips. They are so rare and they were made to be disposable. So they bend really easily and they aren't easy to find. But the rifle is strong is has many of the same elements of the Garand actually. They are in a 8 lebel still an obtainable caliber. So these can still be shot.
They're hard as shit to clean, also most of these were covered to the 1918
I’d only shoot this gun once a year
Would love to see an alternate history where they perfected semi-auto rifles BEFORE WWI kicked off
With any luck it's also a timeline where France isn't hobbled by being stuck with 8mm Lebel
Basically any game of BF1
No one thought they needed it
And not many between the wars that it was needed also
Bloodthirsty, aren't we? IMO it wouldn't have made that much difference. Gas, artillery and heavy MG's did the most damage.
Ferdinand Mannlicher has entered the chat...
This is the first time I've heard of "notorious unreliability" with this rifle. By all accounts I have managed to gather, it worked reasonably well. It wasn't necessary the most robust design though, especially the gas system.
You know… I’m pretty sure they have a video with accounts and linked sources I’ll take over the word of some guy who’s evidence is “I never heard of it”
@@zal7782 Well, I will be happy to read their sources, then, because their Primer video on the rifle doesn't talk about those supposedly notorious reliability issues.
I wonder who said it worked reasonably well?
The French?
(But of course!)
( said in a silly French accent......)
@@lefr33man It does. There's a segment talking about all the specific parts that often broke, and Mae's verdict on it not being right for her is reliant on their reliability in the battlefield. Othais was confident that he could figure it out, but Mae wasn't.
I'm looking at the easy-to-foul magazine system, and I see a serious problem right away. Especially with the lack of clip retention.
It's not like the Mannlicher drop-through clip system hadn't been invented a couple decades before...
Damn that gun is absolutely gorgeous!! French weapons are awesome. I'd love to get an RSC.
Well done Mae, I had one of these jewels in my collection a number of years ago, never fired it, but not a lover of French militaria.
Such a neat method of loading. I love guns that use a floorplate, my personal favorite being the SKS.
Thank you Mae for shooting these freaky historical relics ....
Will we ever know how many guns Mae has fired, let alone handled? The number has to be staggering! Thank you Mae!
Been waiting for this one rad as always
The French definitely have a different perspective on gun design.
Being the first and realizing how odd some of their ideas are after the fact
why are they like this
It just LOOKS French
*hi mae, good to see you again!*
One of my favorite guns (because of Battlefield 1).
I can't help thinking this a distant relative of the SKS.
When you open it up, it's pretty much the father of the Garand.
@@zacharyrollick6169 Both are gas operated, no?
@@blank557 Well yes, but in substantially different ways. The RSC has a rotating bolt and long stroke gas piston, sort of like the Garand. The SKS has a tilting bolt and short stroke gas piston.
Looking at early self-loading rifles is fascinating. The tech just wasn't there yet for most designs. Weapons like the M1 Garand changed how warfare is fought.
Thank you fir the videos
I love the sound when the gun is racked. I had to play it a few times. Such an Amazing piece of history.
very nice love the rsc
great video
Very cool!
Look, it's my favorite gun in battlefield 1. I wish I could have one for real
Nah bro
Always stop for a minute of Mae shooting thank you for the demonstrations
Awesome!
Thank you Mae, for a minute of sanity ! x
i had fun playing with it in battlefield1 ,would be fun trying it for real some day
I am in love with you❤
You bring such antique and brilliant weapons collection to your videos
Lots of Love and Greetings ❤❤❤
Looks heavy 💪🏽
Yay a min of Mae ❤
POSSIBLY a Macross ref... I will head-cannon that it is. :)
Peaceful Skies.
What a beautiful rifle.
Thank you Mae for firing this French oddball rifle; I didn't know that it existed! 😁
Thanks to Mae for admitting this rifle was unreliable in real world use and wasn't the "super weapon" Battlefield 1 makes it out to be.
One shouldn't get their historical knowledge from video games
I mean it's a 1-2 shot kill (very reasonable) rifle in the game that holds 5 rounds (6 if you reload with one in the chamber), it's not too accurate past medium range, what makes it a 'super weapon' 🤷? The Selblaster is arguably better, holds 26rnds and can have a scope which I personally can plink people off waaay out in the distance with
Nothing in Battlefield 1 should function even remotely flawless as it should, especially if your character's been going prone in mud; If anyone ever thinks a weapon's merit is based on ANY game, arcade or simulator, then theyre an idiot simply put.
@@DrSabot-A I mean you do know there were firearms back then that were work horses and rarely ever fucked up right? Not every single gun was failing to fire and jamming up or literally exploding in the operator's hands lol
@@CommanderLongJohn in real life pistols are 1 shot kills too.
Will you guys make a video of the OVP or the Beretta 1918?
Big Fan of Mae !
On the 14th of July. Nice touch.
That anticipation in the opening clip where you think she's gonna shoot but they make you wait till the logo scrolls past...
I'd like you guys to get a hold of an RSC 1918 too. Fingers crossed!
Mae, I noticed the bandaid on your thumb…were you shooting an M1 Garand rifle earlier that day or in the week? 🙂
I audibly gasped when this came on my feed 😃
I have to admit, I'd kill to own one of those.
Good news! You can just buy one!
@@mattrobson3603 not really lol
@@mattrobson3603 Not really available on the market where I live.
@@mattrobson3603 Why did I read this in Prof. Farnsworths voice? Haha!
@@janwacawik7432 Well, you'll still have a better chance of getting one using money than using murder.
That rod on the side really is Garand-y.
Is it just me, or does she look more relieved than anything else at the end? They can't all be winners, Mae!
Such a beautiful rifle.
I'll try to build one as a airsoft as soon as possible.
(With a M14 Gearbox)
Yes! I love that rifle
Never seen one that wasn't just hashed, beaten beyond recognition. But still love my minute of Mae. 😎
Hell yeah!
Mae gets to handle so many wonderful toys.
You rock Mae
Thank you Mae, another gun I wouldn’t know about, if you hadn’t shown it.
The Kreg-Jorgensen, I hunted with in 1960 had much more refined machining, although a bolt action, and a latter era of design.
If it was an American Krag-Jorgenson, it was designed in the 1898, almost 20 years before this RSC 1917.
@@rediius thanks for the correction.
@@garyeaton5719 No worries mate. I'm sure If you were hunting back in 1960 you've probably forgotten more than I have ever learned about rifles. I recently slowed down shooting on my Ishapore 2A1, an Enfield variant in 7.62 NATO built in 1967 that I hope to see Othais & Mae discuss someday. Poor thing is slowly coming out of headspace.
@@rediius thanks, the gun I used then was loaned to me by our school bus driver, who was a professional hunting and fishing guide. Before he acquired it, It had been sporterized by removing some of the wood around the barrel. It was in excellent condition and a joy to shoot.
Looks like it would be fun to shoot, kind of awkward, but a good looking rifle
Nice and reliable rifle
An honest question for you Mae. Why do you have your thumb always tucked down when shooting rifles? I've always been taught to wrap that thumb around the stock for better support and grip.
You haven't shot anything with the energy of a 30-06. If you don't move your thumb down it will smack you in your nose. That thing is 8mm Lebel, right?
@@eloiseharbeson2483 It was never mentioned as being a problem. You wrap your thumb around the stock for grip and better control, and your nose is just fine. Even on powerful hunting rifles or shotguns. Military rifles from the pre-pistol grip era too.
@@Angrymuscles yes well. I have shot them and intermediate power bolt guns are my silver
@@Angrymuscles Good way for nose and knuckle to meet. 1930s USMC rifle manual specifically shows thumb parallel. I learned it on straight-stocked 03, prone, tight sling. One of few times ever saw stars.
Either the French or the Belgians do the whole gun making and design thing the best and or most forward thinking for sure. Though others have had good surprises.
French has such unique designs.
Wow! I did not know that they used a Mannlicher style clip that did not self eject. No wonder they didn't do well. The 20's and 30's were an amazing time for firearm design even if that didn't (or did) end up well. Is that Ian's gun? Not many working ones floating around.
They did do pretty well all things considered. Reasonably well liked for a war time production gun. 80,000 made doesn’t seem that low
This wasn't the 20s or 30s.
This was developed during WWI.
Prior to WWI the French knew the Lebel sucked and we're planning to leapfrog everyone by adopting a self-loading rifle in a new cartridge. In 1914, the details of the 7mm rimless cartridge were worked out and MAS was tooling up for mass production of Meunier rifles when the threat of war caused the whole project to be cancelled.
The RSC basically kludged together various things they had kicking around from pre-war programs to create a cheap rifle that could be put into mass production quickly and fired 8mm Lebel. Much like the Chauchat (who is also the "C" in RSC) it was design for production first and to be a good gun after.
The French really had bad timing on their semi-automatic rifles with two world wars starting just as they adopted one.
@@88porpoise i said it was wartime production. Both designed and produced during the First World War. Hope you didn’t think I meant the second
@@josemalave1322 and I wasn't replying to you. As indicated by the lack of your name at the start of the comment.
@@88porpoise I wonder what would happened if the semi auto mas39 was ready and deployed when wwII started 🤔
Спасибо,Мэй.👍👏👏👏👏
It's not so much that you found a RSC1917 - but that you found one with the bolt hold open still on it and working!!!
Mae is awesome.
So lovely rifle 😍
Mae needs her own channel. Love the content and history behind all these arms, but I get too excited for a lesson in firearms, to be then directed to a
i think every bf1 player knows this channel
I would like your entire stock of these.
No la había visto 😎👍
Nice Mae 💖
Ooooo great
Garand Thumb?
Was this the first semi auto rifle?
Maybe but surely is the first used and produced one
All technical solutions will be stolen by the Americans. exactly how Hubble stole the idea when translating from French. 😂
CZcams knows that I've started playing Bf1 again...
Mae gets an automatic thumbs up before I even watch the video
👍 great!!!!!
Garland thumb?
If this rifle had a 7.62x51/308 version would it be a good survival rifle?
No. A bolt action would be better.
Nope.
Depends, do you consider a completely overengineered and rather finicky rare French rifle a good survival rifle?
Actually, when I really think about it, it depends on where you are trying to survive with it. Supermarket and gun show survival, maybe, otherwise, no.
No.
That looked seriously awkward to load. And can you imagine the filth that would get into those rifles dropping the loading gate repeatedly while in the trenches?
The French Garand.
I know it’s sacrilegious, but there's a LOT of French RSC in the beloved M1 Garand. (I'm an M1/M14 armorer...yes, really) look at the trigger and the en-bloc clip. John Garand did handle at least one of these rifles after WWI. 🤔
Si vous pouviez faire une vidéo sur la carabine Française "Meunier" j'en serais très heureux.... c'était la dotation de mon père en 1939, 75km derrière les lignes allemandes. Il régulait les officiers allemands. Un grand Merci ❤
Jeez! The rifles during WW1 were long!
Saving up for one currentl
When they fired these on Forgotten Weapons, they almost invariably had a last round jam..Did you experience this as well?
Might have been from the worn out brass clips they were using.
It's usually issues with the clip, they provide the feedlips for the system so any issues with them and you've got problems. This example worked well with the clip we were using.
@@maewinchester2030 🥰
@C&Rsenal >>> 👍👍
{FWIW: 1917 was the year my father was born.}
It’s like a rifle of the Brennnmen hand gun
does anyone else get high for these and try to hold it in for the entire minute?
What a cool Rifle. Especially for how early it was manufactured. I'd like to have one. I wouldn't want one If they are unreliable though. SAD
wooow epic
So...this is what love feels like.
you forgot to mention, it kills with only 2 shots and 3 at long range
Is it the first semi-automatic rifle?
No
Ah yes, the rifle that made it to the no. 0 spot in "Mae's Top 10 Rifles of WW1" video.
If they had added a detachable 20rd mag, that would have been a game changer.
It already was a game changer and if you want to know what a detachable 20rnd mag in 8mm Lebel looks like, look at the chauchat.
It remembers me of the berthier modified to accept Chauchat magazine, Ian has one, it was designed for pilots if I remember
The best weapon in Battlefield 1💪💪💪
Why did they stop using it that could have been very useful for them in WW2 if they designed a Better model or a new gun that was based of this.
It wasn't particularly reliable, especially in muddy conditions. It was unwieldy as hell. And it cost more than the gazillion Lebels and Berthiers already paid for that would tide them over until a good, cheaper rifle was developed.
Well, its was very useful in WW2... in a way. This rifle and its action heavily inspired John Garand for the conception of the M1 Rifle. When you put the two mechanisms side by side out of their stock, the similarities are obvious.
The RSC was unreliable. They did have modern semi loader on the design boards (and a placeholder back up bolt gun that saw limited service), but it was delayed by two things 1. The switch away from 8mm Lebel to 7.5×54mm and 2. WW2 forcing France to go to war with what it had...
"The MAS-49 semi-automatic rifle evolved from the prototype MAS-38/39 and from the MAS-40, and lastly from the post-war MAS-44 and its minor variants 44A, 44B and 44C. Although 50,000 MAS-44 rifles were ordered in January 1945, only 6,200 were delivered to the Marine Nationale. The MAS-49 was formally adopted by the French Army in July 1949."
The French army were actually planning on putting a semi-auto into service before ww2, would have been like a proto MAS-49 which would have been a huge development. Unfortunately the war happened before they could get it into production which was turned over to other armaments to make up for lost time.
They didn't have the money to expand its adoption after WWI. And even if they wanted to this gun had too many compromises to be adopted outside of the war. So they needed to start from the cartridge up to make a good rifle (they had rifles all but ready to move forward with new cartridges when that whole WWI thing started). And let's not forget they needed to replace every small arm in service, all their rifles, pistols, and MGs and adding in SMGs once the money was available.
That was what they eventually did, with their new standard issue semi-automatic rifle all but ready to be adopted when that WWII thing popped up.
I come just to see Mae honestly lol
wow
oww hope the hand is ok
This is good no more bolt adjust just like m1 garan
"Some day I'd like to try out one of the later 18's." GENTLEMEN....
Hey hey - here comes may.. sorry - mae 😁
as a french im actually surprise theres a safety on that
*happy Ian noises*
Slowly but surely they were getting to better weapons