How EVE Online's Massive Virtual Wars Are Financed - How Money Works
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eve online, (a massive multiplayer online spaceship game) is probably best know for two things.
Making headlines about itâs massive in game conflicts involving tens of thousands of players and itâs incredibly realistic in game financial system which can make loosing a virtual spaceship just as consequential as loosing a phone or a car in the real world.
Countless magazines, and even much more successful CZcams channels have talked about these two factors individually, but where I think they get really interesting is when they merge together.
For a game about spaceships set 21,000 years in the future, EVE is surprisingly realistic, and that realism extends to these massive wars in the sense that they are expensive.
The in game currency called ISK has an approximate exchange rate of about $6 per billion in game isk. Although it must be mentioned that trading this in game currency directly back or forth for real life money is actually against the rules of the game for now at least and will get you banned.
Even still, this shows that in game assets have a very tangible real world value on the grey market, so when you see headlines about trillions of ISK been lost in these epic battles it gives you an idea of just how expensive it can be to wage entire wars in EVE Online.
But this all begs a bigger questionâŠ
Who or what funds these wars?
With a price tag of hundreds of thousands of real world dollars and nothing but virtual space pride in return, it doesnât sound like a very good deal⊠Right?
Well, itâs time to learn how space money works, if you enjoy this video please consider liking and subscribing for new videoâs like this one made every week.
Ok so there are three really interesting and unique ways these major wars have been funded over the past 2 decades that this game has existed. But letâs start with the most basic one.
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Eve is a giant rip off. Unless you have a well-connected group of friends that have been playing it for a long time. Thereâs no place for simple exploration , or people that just want to mine. Or to be part of the game without being killed and raped out of every single jump.
Eve Online must hold the Guinness World Record for biggest delta between how many people find it absolutely fascinating vs how many of those people will ever try it.
I tried it
pretty brutal for new players but once you get over the first learning curve (a fucking 90 degree angle) it's a lot of fun
it just takes a lot of thought to I wouldn't recommend it if you have a very taxing job already
@@shadxw_hunter this. especially when you're playing as an alpha clone and not an omega one.
I would love to play this game.
However I work a lot and have 2 kids. So more than 3h a week I can not spare for video games.
@@goferlp7011 That is more than enough time for eve, depending on what ingame "job" you will take. A lot of time in eve is spent offline anyways as you wait for stuff to finish producing and your skill to train.
And you can also do pvp in this time, depending on what corp you join, maybe even completly free.
I tried it many times over the years. The only thing I liked about it was the sound track....usually stopped playing because it just got so boring and traveling around took forever
why become a real-life millionaire when you can become an EVE online trillionaire?
this was the second comment and its already underrated
Just as good right?
Iâm just gonna spend all those millions of dollars on PLEX anyways
Isnât that like 6000 dollars though
Eventually it will all be cross platform, including virtual to real and real to virtual. It will probably happen sooner than you think. NFTs coming soon. Ready? Player One?
I hope this game never dies, it's just too valuable as a sociopath containment.
Itâs also a very interesting sociological study
Wait, what makes you say that? The only person that I know who played eve growing up, was a straight up animal torturing, twisted, empty fuck.
Iâm so curious about why this game would function as a tool to abate sociopathic behavior.
@@conservat1vepatr1ot Probably because the game is almost completely player-driven. Politics, resources, economy, itâs all ran by players. So they get a look into how real people would act in positions of power or when things are at stake, etc.
@@fbpro9916
I feel you and I see how that could entertain them, but why would this be preferable to manipulating people in real life? A true sociopath believes the best game of all, is playing âhumanâ
There's a graveyard in EVE online where players leave memoranda of players who died in real life, it's tended to by other real players who make sure the graveyard remains peaceful.
It's not really relevant, but I wanted to share it.
Thats a bit too realistic
@@gamedominatorxennongdm7956 People have met over the game and bonded over the course of years. When they pass irl its heartwarming to see the memorial imo
not all that similar but it seems that space mmo's all have amazing communities, for example in elite dangerous player pirates are rare in the bubble (~100 start systems that are around the starting system and it houses most players) and people will do o7 in chat if you announce that you are leaving the system
@@damascussteel7688 what is o7
@@chrisfrost3076 salute o7
This is real. I played Eve for many years and been involved in several alliances and null sec fleet wars. The money invested is astonishing and why there are some very serious people behind those alliances and wars.
You don't know how much I love hearing about people's experiences who have direct exposure to the game. It definitely helps me make these. Thanks for sharing this.
The situation is some kind of real political world conflicts? Damn than unbelievable. Must be intense.
Neckbeards probably.
@@ultimateberserker3778 Russians , Chinese, Europeans , Americans,. Etc. Some Alliances are started by those different groups. Language barrier likely contributed
I'm surprised these wars haven't spilled over into the real world... it's got to be only a matter of time. If I were the developer, that would be what kept me up at night the most.
I'd imagine it went something like this:
"Guys I got a great idea, get this... war bonds"
"POG"
Lul
LOL
Pretty much, but that's also how the original introduction went as well, isn't it?
Being a former Eve Echoes player (mobile version of the same game) I guarantee thatâs exactly what happened in the discord XD
What people don't see from the outside is the level of organizational skill needed to run one of these massive nullsec alliances. They are literally running the virtual equivalent of a small nation state, or a huge multinational corporation. To use the example of the Imperium, it is a bloc of around a handful of alliances, but with a collective membership of something approaching 50,000 actual people. The leader of all of this is a guy who goes by the in game name "The Mittani", in RL he's an attorney who was able to retire in his early 30s, like any huge RL corporation he has a team of dozens of people who would be the equivalent of VPs and executives in a RL corporation. As for the war he mentions, it ended over the summer, with no clear winner, the "PAPI coalition" reached a position where they had the Imperium sieged into a single constellation, but that constellation was so well defended that they would've probably lost most if not all of their titan fleet trying to even get into the front door of the Imperium's capital system, even with a 2:1 numbers advantage (combined forces of PAPI coalition were over 100,000). With the in game economic crisis going on they wouldn't have been able to replace lost titans in a timely manner so risked exposing themselves to counter-invasion. In the end they gave up the siege and sued for peace, Imperium re-took all their lost space, and one of the main members of PAPI fled to the opposite end of the galaxy to at least delay the inevitable retribution from Imperium.
Should i start playing it?
@@eliasziad7864 you need to pay money to enjoy its economy
@@eliasziad7864 As a 2 time rage quitter of the game, even I would say if you have the pc hardware and the internet connection to at least try, by all means give it a try. Just watch out for the folks that try to sucker you to attack them first in high sec space. cause you will lose your ship to the CCP (po-po). I saw lot of people fall for that. The first time I raged quit (2011?) it was over a small corp killing me multiple times within an hour and then realizing I didn't have enough isk to cover the insurance to keep my skills and after suggesting/complaining about loosing skills when getting killed especially on a paid account (no free accounts at the time) I was going to pay for the skill time twice. 2nd time I quit was a few years later (2017-18ish had 2 accounts one free and one paid) which gets you 6 characters. But the final straw was, I was just mining (pun here) my own business and got ganked 5 times by the same 3 man crew within 10 to 20 minutes. Problem was I would be snapped back to the station and then the attack alerts would scroll up the screen and tell me I was dead. Never had a chance to run let alone defend myself and it wouldn't have been worth going after them since I had no ships even close to being able to defend myself. I also didn't have the desire to join up with any corp since when I did do that the first time and with a few other mmo's I learned then that these games can lead to being a second job real quick. But like I said at the start by all means give it a try.
It also bares mentioning that The Mittani allegedly never actually logs into EVE. He conducts all of his business through proxis. He explained in an interview done at one of the EVE cons that, and I'm paraphrasing, "You can't loose anything if you don't exist."
@@PenumbranWolf As a Goon who is winning at EVE, I can assure he he does log in ... occasionally. But he likely keeps nothing of any real value on that account and has numerous other accounts he keeps assets on. With the organizational structure of the Imperium he doesn't really need to micromanage, it's built like a RL corporation
That feel when a battle is so massive that the developers have to slow down time in order to process everything without lagging like crazy. So many good stories from this game.
This must be karma for me stealing Wendovers airplane content!
Oh my! A wild EE Appears
Awwwww 2 very good sociopath eve economists
By the way i like all of your videos keep it up
When did you steal his content?
I love your content
@@HowMoneyWorks do I hear collab?
You forgot to talk about one of the most important income source for both parties in this war entirely. Basically all parties involved in this war are working together to control the player market in highsec space which is a big chunk of their income. Different groups tried to take advantage of this war and attack that market but every time it happens they pause the fighting until the threat to their monopoly is dealt with (which is usually pretty quick seeing that like 80% of active pvp players are fighting in this war.)
I just had a chat to a few hardcore players about exactly this and MAAANNN is that interesting. I will be sure to make a follow up video covering this in the future!
Btw we just published a new video and you may or may not be a star :)
It's just like all the moon goo that is required for t2 ship building. Most of the bigger null blocks control it.
so what you are saying is that this is EVE's WW2
Big tech vs old money today. Eve is just a copy of our system.
Never played this game but Iâm getting a weird kick out of reading up on the wars in-game as if Iâm researching a real conflict.
If you have financial background, play it as manufacturer.
The name "Space Spreadsheet" is lived up by the game. Because, this isn't a game, its actually a social simulator. Space ship is just the cover, humanity is the one you actually play on this one.
Same. I'm kinda obsessed about the game right now.
so i downloaded the game and im 10 hours in and im just lost because i dont know the difference between the beginner section of the game and not lol
There is no real "beginner section" or not. Maybe the area around the station of your chosen empire.
Even though I rarely log onto EvE Online anymore, every EvE Veteran will agree that: "You don't quit EvE, you take long breaks". For particularly these interesting reasons... Hell, you can literally learn how to be a stock broker by playing EvE Online.
Hope you enjoy the video guys, I am off to my shift at the virtual spaceship accounting firm.
yeah avoid working for al capone xD
Hey I was part of the 2016 wars, we called it World War Bee back then, I fought with The Low Road under the banker alliance (Money Badgers) and mostly did raids, hot drops, and small ship support for capital ship actions. (Mostly using a Stratios as advanced recon/scout) We later settled down in PB- (forgot the rest of the system name we called it this though) a system we helped to take.
The way you just described that, makes me feel a love for a game I will never get round to playing. It just sounds so deep and complex. Mind bending.
pure blind you are talking about, i am out of it for 9 years by now but playing for 5 years burns things into your brain
The system is PB-0C1 in Fountain. I haven't played in 3 years but still have dotlan bookmarked.
What about real life?
How long are these wars btw?
EVE is the same thing as a second job. Most stressful game I've ever played.
Especially if you are CEO of a corporation. I deserted my own corporation(which was going great) with 800 members. We also had a discord server. One day when stress got too high, I left the discord server and never logged into the game ever again. This happened years ago and I still have PTSD from eve's online.
@@n3gi_ I believe this. Congrats on finally winning Eve!
Weebs
@@n3gi_ do you know what happened to the corporation?
@@somefuckstolemynick No idea but most Probably dead cus I forgot to transfer the CEO position to someone else.
Someone watching this video could maybe believe that the poor Imperium is a innocent victim of evil bullies. In fact the Imperium was terrorizing the whole Eve community and used any kind of metagaming to scam or backstab there enemies and their allies, too.
just like what happens in real life
Kicked off of 109 planets
Well, my take away from watching this was that they were laundering their in game money for real world currencies, so they weren't innocent
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@@nobodyspecial7895 Um pretty sure it was the shady casinos. No idea if Imperium ran a casino or attempted money laundering, but that wasn't mentioned in the video
Itâs worth knowing that the warbonds occurred in the middle of the war in response to game changes that increased the cost of sustaining the war.
You also have to mention that the older organisations in EVE over the years have accumulated a shitton of wealth, so it wasn't really a problem :D
Well, probably financing 400 titans welp is, but, smaller-scale it's not that much, and players are willing to lose it.
The aspect of these mega-corporations - or alliances, is interesting because -
they have to provide interesting content to keep most of their trigger happy people around
yet at the same time, if they provide too much, the krabs will burn out and slowly stop attending the fleets
at the same time, if they don't provide, either people will leave, or your people will become more and more industry oriented and you'll continue to attract industrialists only
yet if you do not do it enough, your space isn't secure
So the incentives to go to war are a bit different than in real life - if you don't go to war, you lose people and their interest, this is still very much an economy of enjoyment - less of prosperity, but important too, very important
Also, low scale/covert ops/black ops - like in real life are pretty cheap and can provide huge turmoil in enemies space, you don't even need to go to war to do that regularly
So, it's like Ancapistan, except you have still Daddy CCP, and you're at a perma-state of war with neutral to you people :D, where breaking the NAP would be just arriving in someone's space as a hostile or neutral.
Sounds more like running a party then running a government when you put it like that. Thanks for the insight haha.
â@@HowMoneyWorks Well, a lion's share of what they do is exactly like government
- structures management, really tedious, so fitting them, fueling, making sure everything set right,
- managing all the different bits and bobs the corporations take on
- a lot of diplo inside and outside
- paying for SRP, which is also very tedious
- Then you have the Fleet Commanders, of various ranks, because not all FCs are actually good, not all are of equal experience and of different expertise; you also need to get new fcs every now and then
They do a lot of planning for bigger operations and conduct them (obviously), and there's the smaller fleets, roams which they conduct to a) provide content b) apply pressure to hostiles c) keep space safe, save people.
That is from what I've noticed and heard of, I wasn't in alliance leadership, I've heard bad things, it's really a second work with corporate politics included. Ideal for masochists, or really callous people who want to help their friends, alliance and so on.
Yeah I could imagine that would take a special kind of person to enjoy doing for any length of time. Even still I guess they get to see the engine room of some pretty interesting stories.
So while everyone was at home, due to the pandemic. Everyone at EVE be wagin galaxy level wars... now thats somehing
I gotta build up my destroyer back.
bro they're still going on today
Would be nice if you credit your EVE footage.
Ahh 100%, sorry my man. I thought it was official CCP footage, I just realized you actually went out there and filmed the battles yourself. I will pin this comment to the top so that people can look at all the pretty lights!
true xD
u cry in ur videos and other ones? U have the "PAPI" spirit
@@EsusGali Cry? How about goons try taking a constellation or something. The great thing about video games is that we can actually take actions instead of exchange words. Hope to see you in game, have a good day man.
@@AHigherPerspective goons is defending, how about papi try to take the last small and poor constelation ):.... The war is too long, like ur whining â€
I wish more games had economies like this. Its so interesting. Would love to be a part of one but EVE takes a certain type of player which is not me lol
same man but when I get a good PC i am going to force myself to play this.
Albion online is the closest thing to Eve, and it has better gameplay.
@@alcubz2622 Both are pay to win garbages
Eve's greatest decision was to make the memberships buy able in game, because that's what gave everything else in the game value and sparked the whole economy
This was way better explained and illustrated than said "much larger and more successful CZcams channels". Absolutely amazing. Thanks for this series.
I was there for the casino wars. The corp I was in at the time managed to jump onto some Brave and Test fleets. We took down a Phoenix. I haven't played Eve Online in many years now, but I always like to keep track of how New Eden looks. Good times. I've heard the game is kind of dying now. To anyone who still plays, please tell me this isn't true?
People have been saying EVE is dying since 2014, it didn't mean much then and doesn't mean much now. COVID inflated the playerbase to levels only seen during peak 2016 fanaticism and while that is dropping off now it doesnt mean the game is dying.
@@technyst I might have to dust off the old account and come back. I miss Eve Online.
Yea it's pretty much dead on PC. The mobile version is growing and many pc players are moving there because it turns out, alot of people don't have the time to sit and home and game 20 hours a day.
@@SupaL33tKillar ermmm Ew...
Lmao this wasnât a real war buddy chill out
wow, eve online sounds fascinating.
That it is. In fact, something *really* fascinating coming tomorrow :)
It's really facinating.
Itâs a grind but can be enjoyable
Eve is better for the news articles it generates than the gameplay it offers.
Once you learned the game and mechanics. You are hooked. I player from 2005 to 2012...I have peaked in now and then.. just to see my stuff. And remember the days when me and my Corp mate used capital ships to kill NPC ships..
EVE really do be creating those quadrillionare sigma male grindset arent they?
Eve online is apparently breeding ground for sigma psychopaths
@@NeostormXLMAX can you elaborate?
@@Shinkajo eve is all aout relation social nothing constructive despit the feeling it give at first
all is artificial and based on 10% rwards per hour played
@@omnianti0 what had that have to do with signs psychopaths?
@@Shinkajo because it loop on dematerialised relationship with a fake creative goal for the players all is scamed
So, I've always had an issue with people always making a big deal about how 'expensive it is to wage war in EvE' and constantly relating the prices to real world prices.
The problem is, yes, you could say 1 billion ISK = [Insert Amount of Money here] but nobody is actually like, spending millions of dollars on this game to fund wars.
The fact of the matter is that (No, 1 billion ISK does not equal 6 USD, it is about 20 USD for 1.3B ISK. So 1B ISK is about 16 USD... not 6.)
And more importantly, people just playing the game can earn upwards of 600m ISK an hour, and they do so with ease. And that's solo play.
See, what these wars are fought over is not 'for fun because the leaders want others to fight for their enjoyment'. It's to control territory. Low security territory (Which means open PvP), especially wormholes. In these systems you can mine rare resources. And mining as a group is MANY times faster than doing it solo, since rather than filling up your cargo and then heading back to a station to drop off the ore, then repeating, you have a freighter loading up all the ore, and you just sit there mining nonstop.
They use these resources to BUILD their own ships, so that they don't have to buy them off the market. Obviously it's not always the case though, and they also sell a lot of these resources for profit, which also funds their war effort.
So it's incredibly misleading when people are like "THIS WAR HAPPENED THAT WAS WORTH MILLIONS OF REAL WORLD DOLLARS"
Like, yes, technically it was... if you were to buy ingame currency with real world money to fund the entire thing. Reality is, MOST of the war's assets were funded by people earning the money ingame. NOT by buying it with real world money.
That was beautiful đđ
i dont think anybody was actualy thinking that milions of $ were spend, its just that calculating that to real money it is worth that much
Kinda like GTA online?
But people are spending. There were conflicts in the past that were funded by people buying PLEX ( with real world money) to sell in game to fund the wars. There was an instance of a single Russian wealthy dude spending more than 100k USD to fund a war.
With the Casinos. Avoid possible bans by just offering ludicrously good deals for mercenaries, and just secretly sell the money for cash.
An actual transaction that canât realistically be traced.
You should cover the old school RuneScape economy as well. Real world trading is massive there with single players trading off for thousands and bot farms earning millions each year
I learned more about EVE ONLINE wars on this video then all the other videos. I was an EVE ONLINE player for 11 years.
Alliances usually require you to use a ship following a doctrine for multiple reasons. 1. To make sure it's cost efficient and functional. 2. Because otherwise it would be impossible to keep track of what ship does what.
In battles that big and fleets that have multiple hundrets of players in them would make it impossible to coordinate if every ship runs their own fits. There is 3 diffirent destinctions for every fit Tier 1, Tier 2 and Meta so people of every skill level can be part of the fleet. And yes, you can fly into the battle whatever you want to but then you'll have to do it on your own risk and cost. Reimbursement is usually only issued to doctrine ships at least for sub capitals, if you want to fly your pirate ships and have it officer fit then it's totally on you to make sure it survives the battle. Same goes for implants on your clones.
They gotta start using videogame economics to teach Econ classes. Super interesting to see these things span out on a micro scale, because itâs much more condensed and less complex than real world events.
Most fun I ever had playing Eve was our Corp ran afoul a bunch of Chinese gold farmers who tried to take over our little piece of null space. They tried to throw their PVE ships at us. We ended up making more just murdering them instead of grinding mission and bounties. They hired a merchant Corp to deal with us, but we had already brought in the rest of the Corp and two other allied corps. Turned into a month of mayhem.
The real question everyone is asking is: âwhy isnt ISK considered cryptocurrency right now đ â
Because it's centralized via CCP and isn't blockchain-based
You need to realize the difference between electronic currency and crypto currency
NFTs coming soon
Crypto is not currency it's property.
@@johnstarr2001 complete nonsense. Currency is also property.
@@512TheWolf512 Agreed, explain that to the government, IRS.
I might not have been playing this game since February, but I had participated in this war from its beginning to that point on the Horde side (and I'm a few weeks away from going back now that finals season is almost over). Your comment about these space nations waging war for entertainment is spot on, that's 50% of the reason Horde line members are waging the war. However, even as a total rookie back then, when the war started no one in the Panfam coalition I talked to ever thought the Imperium would completely crumble in the sovereign risk scenario you mentioned. We laughed at the war bonds, sure, but they're probably about as safe as US bonds because even before M2- we knew the Imperium would move to another region to lick their wounds and rebuild no matter how hard we thrashed them. After all, they're still here after getting their ass kicked in World War Bee.
gobfather
I once played Eve for a couple of weeks, fighting with this group of people via Teamspeak who host PvE battles that you can join with specific ships, and one guy is like the captain/leader and you get a role like damage dealer or healer or bait, and then ended up joining a corp one day. I log out, and the next day when I logged in, apparently some huge internal corporation conflict happened and I was for some reason, now the owner of a whole bunch of stuff, like whole space stations full of ships and stuff, long long lists of them. I spend a day completely overwhelmed having absolutely no clue wtf was going on, constantly getting messaged/threatened by players, and then never played again.
I wonder if this is an event people recognize/remember happening. Must have been like 3-4 years back.
When they say virtual reality, they mean a video game economy thatâs virtually real right?
Yeah I think that is pretty much it.
Eve is a nonfiction story in a science fiction universe.
The market in eve works just like it does in real life.
@@collinmartin8706 yeah but you can't make multiple payments for one thing
I think i just found my next addiction
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It's a pretty crazy game, a lot of people find it really hard to get into but the people that like it REALLY like it.
Pirating is where it's at!!
Welcome. I have been at Eve since 2009. I was in the previous "largest war" in Fountain. This will probably be bigger. Now I am in this one.
FYI the players of Eve call quitting the game, Winning Eve. It is very hard to win once you start...
It can be a gigantic time suck. The learning curve, is the immediate hardest to tackle. If you enjoy/understand how it works, then get ready for an evening bigger time suck, after you get the basics down. For example, just going through 7 or 8 systems, with a ship loaded with goods, in the wrong section of space,, COULD take you hours, of research, planning, prior safe spots bookmarked, etc,etc, so your ship isn't insta-podded...then your pod (player) with expensive implants destroyed/killed. But there are many online tools that can help organize your tactics to get safely home. Fitting a ship, expressly for a certain function or two (Depending on your skills learned) can also take hours, scrutinizing over every part, to squeeze in the maximum effect you want. Unlock, and miserably die in 10 seconds, because another player, already had a counter, to you ship. :P
This was great! I joined Eve Online and struggled because I'm an all or nothing kinda guy, so I stopped before I got too wrapped up. However I was super impressed with how realistic it all is!
I just don't have the time to play EVE but I am fascinated by all the shenanigans that go on in the game.
you lost nothing fun
at first its addictive to learn the rule and so disapointing to get aware how the game is stucked by the invulnerable bots and the restriction rules
I donât even play this game but I am super interested their wars now thanks to you
The game is boring as fuck to play but interesting to read about.
Life
It's a game designed for intelligent people who love strategy it's not designed for your average gamer
@@Andyman269 lol
@@Andyman269 lmao
@@Andyman269 oooohhh ok Mr smarty-pants you intelligent we ape brains stfu and get of ye high horse
Was observing this game from afar for years, started playing recently and honestly, might be in top 10 best things our species created.
I remember the Waifu Wars and still laugh about it to this day. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
So happy to hear Below the Asteroids as soon as the video started, kudos!
Honestly impressed you could hear it :)
@@HowMoneyWorks : Back in the day, eve had a jukebox and an in-game browser. When you started the game it began to play the game soundtrack, Below the Asteroids was track seven iirc. I really like that piece so ;)
@@alfaDude156 That's awesome. Thanks for sharing that. I just picked up the game as I've tried to learn it so I don't know any of those cool back in the days stories
nice pick up !
edit had to verify this: " they ve undocked. the cargo is on board!"
Iâm taking my series 65 test and learning a bunch about money, and than I see this video and I was happy to see everything was accurate and correct!
not all corps or alliance demand you to bring your own ship. Sometimes if the player Pay up front a sum when joining the corp/alliance they may be given a fully equipped ship that will be SRP
The fact that Eve's economy was so complex that they could not only create corporations and casinos but that they could launder money just baffles me.
these videos and EE got me into eve online, quite fun game :D
Ahh yeah. Iâm a big fan of his content... maybe heâll watch mine one day
This was fascinating, great video
Been playing for 15 years....and now that I am retired, and disabled unable to go out much, I am quite happy I have this to play. Between Eve Online and TV at least I am not bored crazy...
i tried playing it back then, it felt so lonely and the gap between the rich and poor players is so intimidating. i had to stop after my mining ship got blasted to oblivion and my character had to respawn in a system far from my other ships
Can't you just click the inventory of your ships and click the planet its on and just travel there, log off for a few hrs, log back in, and you're there?
This game has always looked so interesting, I just don't know where to start haha
Start by choosing a different game
Just download the game and play, it helps to have a contact who knows the game well so they can teach you, but there's plenty of online forums and videos to help as well.
I've played the game before and damn it's hard as a beginner,I stopped playing since everything is expensive asf,play it if u have alot of time on u.
@@eugenelevin9809 Thats a good comment ;)
@@MagGaming0506 join a nullsec Corp, pandemic horde specifically
I jumped from 10 mil isk to 76 mil in my first month and I didn't play much
You should make like 20 videos just on the game, I don't play it but love economics and love your videos.
I would love to see a video like this about path of exileâs marketplace. It is my favorite marketplace in any game and the reason why path of exile is my favorite game ever.
Never heard of Academi/Constellis, definitely interesting to learn about.
Do an episode on RuneScape (OSRS). Thereâs been a semi-stable grey market there for years. Some very interesting content imo
Partly helping out families in Venezuela, also these groups are manipulated by other black market gold groups.
Your sneak-diss skills are strong! I laughed out loud!
1:30 âtime to learn how space money worksâ this is my kind of CZcams video.
Itâs been a while since Iâve played, but I remember a time when the exchange rate was closer to $20/billion. Inflation really has gotten that bad, eh?
I think now, it is more like 600 million.
congrats on one million!
When I had created a trade hub in Everyshore, it was 15$ for 120 million ism. By the time I left in 2012, it was 700 million per 15$ plex.
For me EVE has always been more interesting to learn about than to play. Fascinating economics? Check. Neat headlines? Check. Fun (for me) to play? Sorry EVE, I already have a job and it's quite fulfilling. Plus I make money doing it. If I ever want a 2nd exhausting job, that one will need to pay too.
Totally agree; i'm fascinated by the economics, history, lore in these places, but playing them is too time consuming.
Eve is only a 2nd job if you want it to be a 2nd job. There is absolutely nothing in Eve that is going to stop you from being a casual player. Need help as a new player? There are countless new player focused corps that will promote you to the actual corp later in your career. Wanna participate in wars? Great, because even a day 1 free to play player can be useful in combat and corps will typically either give you a ship to fly or help you get your ship. Worried about skill training? I dont understand why, your skills train while youre offline, just keep your training queue stocked and literally never worry about it.
The game is a blast, no doubt. But I quit playing over a 15 years ago. To get anywhere in the game, youâve almost got to treat it like a full time job. For a while⊠I did. When cloaked ships were a new thing I got my hands on one asap. Then I got to work making jump gate bookmarks for every gate in every system. Took a month to complete them all. I then sold those to a player who had the bookmark market cornered. Think his name was Bookmark King lol. Fitting.
So I made a crap load off the initial sale, and he paid me a handsome royalty for every sale he made thereafter. Then I got bored, having more Isk than I could ever spend lol. So I gave the royalty deal to my little band of buddies and left the game.
Learned years later that EVE changed how bookmarks worked, or maybe got rid of them all together? I dunno. But somehow my bookmarks were being used and copied by so many players, it literally crashed the game for a while lol
Youâre welcome đ
"The reasons to go to war can simply be to entertain the members of these corporations."
When df did we start importing real life into virtual reality.
I used to play this back in the day but ultimately quit because it's too damn complicated and I didn't have the time to learn it to play properly but this is really interesting. Kinda wish I'd have stuck around to see this.
as an alpha now you can learn the game and still have fun. you can even get into a ship that will help you pay for your omega with isk if you know what to do. you should give it another chance
@@matthowe2703 thanks for that, I might just give it another shot.
Me reading and watching all this as if I'm a dedicated EVE player not realizing all the value of all the real world money lost in battlesđ
congrats, you finally did it. i just downloaded eve, you bastard.
it's crazy how much influence some games gain...used to play a game called knight online that had the most living economy I ever saw for it's time...items were rare to drop and easily broken while upgrading so they became infinitely valuable near the top tier. U had to actually open a merchant stand and sit there usually all nite while u slept to make money so u never really even logged off...it took like 20+yrs for a surplus of top grade items to b in-game and by that time they restarted it on unreal 4 with a new name haha
the fact that EVE onlines financial markets predicted the gamestop short squeeze basically proves that our financial analysts are far superior than wallstreet, not even joking.
So what do these people do in real life? How many people play this? How long do they play a day? How do they survive in real life? What is happening?
On average, when I log in, it's usually between 18,000, and 20,000 people online. but those numbers can be misleading. Because if you have the funds, and the computers, you can have multiple accounts going at the same time. ( so that "one" player you see, could actually have up to 10, to characters online, at the same time.) What the players do offline, is as varied as anyone else. I'm a very low key player. If I play, it's maybe 2 to 4 hours a month. Where as others, have a huge 2nd job, inside Eve, that unfortunately affects thier real life, and career. But thats like any other online Mmorpg.
@@animationcycles7109 i think there are quite a few anime showing how online gaming worlds with massive communities can destroy people lives and lead to hikkikomori lifestyle. Its rare but something really interesting that took off in last decade or so.
@@lets_see_777 I was probably a gamer like that. Not on MMORPG, but 2 combat simulators (arma II, and Il-2 Sturmovik) after working 12 hour days, I would go straight home, do about 10 minutes of house work, and then game. Anywhere from 6 to 10 hours a day. It cost me my marriage. But the good news, is I learned from it. I've seen a few EVE conventions, and watching dismal players talk about how much gaming ( EVE) affects thier life, and it's depressing. ( unless you making money off a youtube /stream channel, then hey, all good I suppose) but I can't game like that anymore. I remember my being a gaming zombie, and I gotta do something real, and productive. :D
@@animationcycles7109 yeah the fantasy worlds are truly something these days to escape your life. Good to know, you recovered. Next few decades will be quite interesting to see how they will affect people, cause the scope of gaming keeps on increasing and there is very little concern to how these giant fantasy worlds affect us in long term.
Scooter McCabe and i made some good money here in EVE Online for years. Business men in real life, and that flowed over into the game perfectly, with a bit of social engineering and piracy!
This felt like a real war in space then a video game
This game is so interesting.
Right? I mean talk about an endless supply of video content ;)
It's fascinating, but I have no desire to actually play it myself.
It's trash
@@KevB247 how long have you played because as a new player I struggled and got very irritated just try doing missions for pay donât buy things from other players because of scams and just play a little bit everyday and you will start to enjoy have a goal and figure out the steps for it like in my case I wanted this crazy destroyer so that I could be a threat also if you have friends get them to join there you can have large battles or start a business like my friends and I created a small business selling battleships
@@richardroxburgh2984 the game is only fun at times but for the most part its trash for me
âYOLOâ means âyou only live once.â Players in this game are literally immortal according to the games lore.
Iâm just messing with you, I know what you mean
that is true though, literally all capsuleers are immortal, but they gave up their humanity to do it. no matter how many capsules you destroy they just get dropped off at their home station cloning bay. what i find weirder is that all spaceships in game are controlled by a pilot and no crew like a fighter jet but they can be up to 18 kilometers long, thats 180 football fields long. field goal to field goal.
@@pallettownheroes2738 actually, according to lore, the larger ships have crew for minor tasks
Got 'em :)
@@elijahhull9611 idk about that. Imma have to do some research. You got my big brain working on this
@@pallettownheroes2738 this is true there are even crew number floating out there somewhere, a capital ship still has thousands of crew, and carrier fighters are piloted. (that is why they are not called drones)
this reminds me of old mmorpg games where ppl work together in guild, fund for guild battle, farming and protect the farm
eve online is a great game i enjoy it every night before since 2006 and its never got old. one day ill go to fan fest and meet the players i play with.
Interesting video for an outsider!
Thanks :) In the interest of full disclosure I have only played on and off very lightly over the years, so I tried to explore the topic as if I was a complete outsider.
I haven't played eve online in months bc I've been taking a break but trust me guys it's the best game ive ever played
probably for the social interaction but the gameplay is so fail out of the 3D click
ROTF >
Don't play Eve. How did it predict the Game Stop short? Very interesting indeed.
Great video, intriguing.
I just started playing this beautiful game a few days ago.
What I hear about Eve Online is almost a mantra that goes like this, super toxic, high learning curve, and when your ship gets destroyed get ready to build a new one from scratch! Thank you, but no thank you!!
its worse. Old hands had access to ways of making easy isk which is not and never will be available to newer players. They play on easy mode and new players hard mode. No thanks!
Hey now.. it's... it's an acquired taste đ
Idk about toxic. There's gonna be some douchebags in any game, but even the pirates in EVE are genuinely nice and helpful lol.
@@TheBelrick just like the real world unless you earn enough trust for nepotism to happen and you got access to their money to invest and making money for yourself
@@raifikarj6698 It is true, all successful trading is insider trading.
Those guys if they ever decided to come back to real world might just be the strong leaders world needs.
This is genuinely impressive
surprised you didn't mention the M2-XFE battle in which hundreds of titans were lost
Im in the capitalist discord, so i hot the notification, searched "how money works" into youtube, didn't get the channel, searche "how eve onlines masdive battles are financed" didnt get the video finally searched "how money works eve online" and it was the third result, I'm sorry dude but CZcams really doesn't like promoting your videos, even being in the discord, with the title in hand, this video was annoying to get to but good luck growing
Yep we are well aware of this. But that's the way the CZcams game works, hopefully once we grow a little bit more it will become easier to find us :)
In the meantime thanks for putting in the effort.
@@HowMoneyWorks Thanks for making a good video
Thought I was hardcore for playing WoW for 2 years. Little did I know people are having 4 year down times in between massive wars.
@@coral37 Wait what year is it now?
Played many years ago. It was fun. Looks crazy now
I just spend nearly two hours reading comments about the game and how the wars and stuff works. Before this video I have not played or watched a single minute of EVE online
Wtf. this sounds crazy fun.
Actually sounds like a really well build game. Just too bad I don't really like the spaceship theme in games :/
Iâm watching this while scanning down a gas site in a wormhole in eve!
Yes please do a video about eve online predicting the gamestop squeeze
Oh wow... I might actually!
It doesnât look at first glance to have much in the way of strategy when battling. Kind of looked like a messy cluster of stationary ships shooting at another messy cluster of stationary ships. LOL. Iâll hAve to see if it looks any better in more battle focused videos. Good video btw. I couldnât care less about spending all my time and money in a video game but itâs funny that it mimics the real world so closely.
its because the strategy is entirely within the types of ships being used, their loadouts and positioning when outside of blob fleets. the popular clips only really show the battles with the biggest amount of ships, these so called blob fleets. if you want more interesting combat you need to see 1v1 or small gang battles
Can you do a video on what if EVE online did allow for ISK to be traded for $$?
That's the most amazing idea I have ever heard. Yes I will do a video on that in a week or two stay tuned.
This was a solid idea
Dude firms will just start hring gamers to grind for the money
You can buy plex with money and then buy isk with that.
my friend started to play this game i haven't seen him since
I really wished that i hade started to play this 10 years ago when a friend brought it up to maybe have been part of the crazy storys that comes out of this game.
Goon here. The one thing you never forget in EVE is this: Money, resources, and ships may start wars, but manpower, morale, and good leaders win them. And remember; we're not here to ruin the game, we're here to ruin YOUR game.
*BURN JITA BURN*
Holy shit that gives me chills
This gives me the cringe
goons.....several thousend highly organiced professional trolls soly playing the game to ruin it for every one else and belive me, they are good at it since over a decade
saw this on the discord server
Hopefully the discord overlord has suggested a video you will enjoy :)
me too