How EVE Online's Massive Virtual Wars Are Financed - How Money Works

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    eve online, (a massive multiplayer online spaceship game) is probably best know for two things.
    Making headlines about it’s massive in game conflicts involving tens of thousands of players and it’s incredibly realistic in game financial system which can make loosing a virtual spaceship just as consequential as loosing a phone or a car in the real world.
    Countless magazines, and even much more successful CZcams channels have talked about these two factors individually, but where I think they get really interesting is when they merge together.
    For a game about spaceships set 21,000 years in the future, EVE is surprisingly realistic, and that realism extends to these massive wars in the sense that they are expensive.
    The in game currency called ISK has an approximate exchange rate of about $6 per billion in game isk. Although it must be mentioned that trading this in game currency directly back or forth for real life money is actually against the rules of the game for now at least and will get you banned.
    Even still, this shows that in game assets have a very tangible real world value on the grey market, so when you see headlines about trillions of ISK been lost in these epic battles it gives you an idea of just how expensive it can be to wage entire wars in EVE Online.
    But this all begs a bigger question

    Who or what funds these wars?
    With a price tag of hundreds of thousands of real world dollars and nothing but virtual space pride in return, it doesn’t sound like a very good deal
 Right?
    Well, it’s time to learn how space money works, if you enjoy this video please consider liking and subscribing for new video’s like this one made every week.
    Ok so there are three really interesting and unique ways these major wars have been funded over the past 2 decades that this game has existed. But let’s start with the most basic one.
    #EVEOnline #EconomyOfEVE #HowMoneyWorks
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  • @HowMoneyWorks
    @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci +48

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    • @nordynutsjr
      @nordynutsjr Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci

      Eve is a giant rip off. Unless you have a well-connected group of friends that have been playing it for a long time. There’s no place for simple exploration , or people that just want to mine. Or to be part of the game without being killed and raped out of every single jump.

  • @chanm01
    @chanm01 Pƙed 2 lety +3634

    Eve Online must hold the Guinness World Record for biggest delta between how many people find it absolutely fascinating vs how many of those people will ever try it.

    • @shadxw_hunter
      @shadxw_hunter Pƙed rokem +368

      I tried it
      pretty brutal for new players but once you get over the first learning curve (a fucking 90 degree angle) it's a lot of fun
      it just takes a lot of thought to I wouldn't recommend it if you have a very taxing job already

    • @tridiots3681
      @tridiots3681 Pƙed rokem +48

      @@shadxw_hunter this. especially when you're playing as an alpha clone and not an omega one.

    • @goferlp7011
      @goferlp7011 Pƙed rokem +15

      I would love to play this game.
      However I work a lot and have 2 kids. So more than 3h a week I can not spare for video games.

    • @AZzalor6632
      @AZzalor6632 Pƙed rokem +25

      @@goferlp7011 That is more than enough time for eve, depending on what ingame "job" you will take. A lot of time in eve is spent offline anyways as you wait for stuff to finish producing and your skill to train.
      And you can also do pvp in this time, depending on what corp you join, maybe even completly free.

    • @MMK86
      @MMK86 Pƙed rokem +10

      I tried it many times over the years. The only thing I liked about it was the sound track....usually stopped playing because it just got so boring and traveling around took forever

  • @consciouscactus
    @consciouscactus Pƙed 3 lety +5057

    why become a real-life millionaire when you can become an EVE online trillionaire?

    • @Desenko86
      @Desenko86 Pƙed 3 lety +160

      this was the second comment and its already underrated

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +374

      Just as good right?

    • @keef920
      @keef920 Pƙed 2 lety +12

      I’m just gonna spend all those millions of dollars on PLEX anyways

    • @GoogleAccount-tg9lp
      @GoogleAccount-tg9lp Pƙed 2 lety +46

      Isn’t that like 6000 dollars though

    • @RustyOrange71
      @RustyOrange71 Pƙed 2 lety +20

      Eventually it will all be cross platform, including virtual to real and real to virtual. It will probably happen sooner than you think. NFTs coming soon. Ready? Player One?

  • @weylin6
    @weylin6 Pƙed 2 lety +8589

    I hope this game never dies, it's just too valuable as a sociopath containment.

    • @tpalden753
      @tpalden753 Pƙed 2 lety +679

      It’s also a very interesting sociological study

    • @conservat1vepatr1ot
      @conservat1vepatr1ot Pƙed 2 lety +45

      Wait, what makes you say that? The only person that I know who played eve growing up, was a straight up animal torturing, twisted, empty fuck.

    • @conservat1vepatr1ot
      @conservat1vepatr1ot Pƙed 2 lety +138

      I’m so curious about why this game would function as a tool to abate sociopathic behavior.

    • @fbpro9916
      @fbpro9916 Pƙed 2 lety +705

      @@conservat1vepatr1ot Probably because the game is almost completely player-driven. Politics, resources, economy, it’s all ran by players. So they get a look into how real people would act in positions of power or when things are at stake, etc.

    • @conservat1vepatr1ot
      @conservat1vepatr1ot Pƙed 2 lety +89

      @@fbpro9916
      I feel you and I see how that could entertain them, but why would this be preferable to manipulating people in real life? A true sociopath believes the best game of all, is playing “human”

  • @AngryCheezburger303
    @AngryCheezburger303 Pƙed 2 lety +3192

    There's a graveyard in EVE online where players leave memoranda of players who died in real life, it's tended to by other real players who make sure the graveyard remains peaceful.
    It's not really relevant, but I wanted to share it.

    • @gamedominatorxennongdm7956
      @gamedominatorxennongdm7956 Pƙed 2 lety +206

      Thats a bit too realistic

    • @jacoby3564
      @jacoby3564 Pƙed 2 lety +531

      @@gamedominatorxennongdm7956 People have met over the game and bonded over the course of years. When they pass irl its heartwarming to see the memorial imo

    • @damascussteel7688
      @damascussteel7688 Pƙed 2 lety +164

      not all that similar but it seems that space mmo's all have amazing communities, for example in elite dangerous player pirates are rare in the bubble (~100 start systems that are around the starting system and it houses most players) and people will do o7 in chat if you announce that you are leaving the system

    • @chrisfrost3076
      @chrisfrost3076 Pƙed 2 lety +15

      @@damascussteel7688 what is o7

    • @jackmunro7
      @jackmunro7 Pƙed 2 lety +45

      @@chrisfrost3076 salute o7

  • @nothingcanstopwhatscoming6664
    @nothingcanstopwhatscoming6664 Pƙed 2 lety +2839

    This is real. I played Eve for many years and been involved in several alliances and null sec fleet wars. The money invested is astonishing and why there are some very serious people behind those alliances and wars.

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 2 lety +376

      You don't know how much I love hearing about people's experiences who have direct exposure to the game. It definitely helps me make these. Thanks for sharing this.

    • @de_sodavibe9822
      @de_sodavibe9822 Pƙed 2 lety +73

      The situation is some kind of real political world conflicts? Damn than unbelievable. Must be intense.

    • @ultimateberserker3778
      @ultimateberserker3778 Pƙed 2 lety +42

      Neckbeards probably.

    • @noblej7897
      @noblej7897 Pƙed 2 lety +96

      @@ultimateberserker3778 Russians , Chinese, Europeans , Americans,. Etc. Some Alliances are started by those different groups. Language barrier likely contributed

    • @TechDeals
      @TechDeals Pƙed 2 lety +20

      I'm surprised these wars haven't spilled over into the real world... it's got to be only a matter of time. If I were the developer, that would be what kept me up at night the most.

  • @512TheWolf512
    @512TheWolf512 Pƙed 2 lety +1811

    I'd imagine it went something like this:
    "Guys I got a great idea, get this... war bonds"
    "POG"

    • @thefirstsin
      @thefirstsin Pƙed 2 lety +10

      Lul

    • @Rodelero
      @Rodelero Pƙed rokem +4

      LOL

    • @creeper7ech520
      @creeper7ech520 Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci +3

      Pretty much, but that's also how the original introduction went as well, isn't it?

    • @baseballdragon456
      @baseballdragon456 Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci +5

      Being a former Eve Echoes player (mobile version of the same game) I guarantee that’s exactly what happened in the discord XD

  • @mrvwbug4423
    @mrvwbug4423 Pƙed 2 lety +1948

    What people don't see from the outside is the level of organizational skill needed to run one of these massive nullsec alliances. They are literally running the virtual equivalent of a small nation state, or a huge multinational corporation. To use the example of the Imperium, it is a bloc of around a handful of alliances, but with a collective membership of something approaching 50,000 actual people. The leader of all of this is a guy who goes by the in game name "The Mittani", in RL he's an attorney who was able to retire in his early 30s, like any huge RL corporation he has a team of dozens of people who would be the equivalent of VPs and executives in a RL corporation. As for the war he mentions, it ended over the summer, with no clear winner, the "PAPI coalition" reached a position where they had the Imperium sieged into a single constellation, but that constellation was so well defended that they would've probably lost most if not all of their titan fleet trying to even get into the front door of the Imperium's capital system, even with a 2:1 numbers advantage (combined forces of PAPI coalition were over 100,000). With the in game economic crisis going on they wouldn't have been able to replace lost titans in a timely manner so risked exposing themselves to counter-invasion. In the end they gave up the siege and sued for peace, Imperium re-took all their lost space, and one of the main members of PAPI fled to the opposite end of the galaxy to at least delay the inevitable retribution from Imperium.

    • @eliasziad7864
      @eliasziad7864 Pƙed 2 lety +37

      Should i start playing it?

    • @fctucycy8v8yvy67
      @fctucycy8v8yvy67 Pƙed 2 lety +88

      @@eliasziad7864 you need to pay money to enjoy its economy

    • @addhoardingprocrastinator
      @addhoardingprocrastinator Pƙed 2 lety +139

      @@eliasziad7864 As a 2 time rage quitter of the game, even I would say if you have the pc hardware and the internet connection to at least try, by all means give it a try. Just watch out for the folks that try to sucker you to attack them first in high sec space. cause you will lose your ship to the CCP (po-po). I saw lot of people fall for that. The first time I raged quit (2011?) it was over a small corp killing me multiple times within an hour and then realizing I didn't have enough isk to cover the insurance to keep my skills and after suggesting/complaining about loosing skills when getting killed especially on a paid account (no free accounts at the time) I was going to pay for the skill time twice. 2nd time I quit was a few years later (2017-18ish had 2 accounts one free and one paid) which gets you 6 characters. But the final straw was, I was just mining (pun here) my own business and got ganked 5 times by the same 3 man crew within 10 to 20 minutes. Problem was I would be snapped back to the station and then the attack alerts would scroll up the screen and tell me I was dead. Never had a chance to run let alone defend myself and it wouldn't have been worth going after them since I had no ships even close to being able to defend myself. I also didn't have the desire to join up with any corp since when I did do that the first time and with a few other mmo's I learned then that these games can lead to being a second job real quick. But like I said at the start by all means give it a try.

    • @PenumbranWolf
      @PenumbranWolf Pƙed rokem +177

      It also bares mentioning that The Mittani allegedly never actually logs into EVE. He conducts all of his business through proxis. He explained in an interview done at one of the EVE cons that, and I'm paraphrasing, "You can't loose anything if you don't exist."

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Pƙed rokem +129

      @@PenumbranWolf As a Goon who is winning at EVE, I can assure he he does log in ... occasionally. But he likely keeps nothing of any real value on that account and has numerous other accounts he keeps assets on. With the organizational structure of the Imperium he doesn't really need to micromanage, it's built like a RL corporation

  • @jamiesachtleben2946
    @jamiesachtleben2946 Pƙed rokem +344

    That feel when a battle is so massive that the developers have to slow down time in order to process everything without lagging like crazy. So many good stories from this game.

  • @EconomicsExplained
    @EconomicsExplained Pƙed 3 lety +1820

    This must be karma for me stealing Wendovers airplane content!

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +302

      Oh my! A wild EE Appears

    • @DyNamo634
      @DyNamo634 Pƙed 3 lety +34

      Awwwww 2 very good sociopath eve economists
      By the way i like all of your videos keep it up

    • @grahamturner2640
      @grahamturner2640 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      When did you steal his content?

    • @Manicsar1
      @Manicsar1 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      I love your content

    • @silvertrimhill9844
      @silvertrimhill9844 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      @@HowMoneyWorks do I hear collab?

  • @brandingald177
    @brandingald177 Pƙed 3 lety +1576

    You forgot to talk about one of the most important income source for both parties in this war entirely. Basically all parties involved in this war are working together to control the player market in highsec space which is a big chunk of their income. Different groups tried to take advantage of this war and attack that market but every time it happens they pause the fighting until the threat to their monopoly is dealt with (which is usually pretty quick seeing that like 80% of active pvp players are fighting in this war.)

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +267

      I just had a chat to a few hardcore players about exactly this and MAAANNN is that interesting. I will be sure to make a follow up video covering this in the future!

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +183

      Btw we just published a new video and you may or may not be a star :)

    • @gantin100
      @gantin100 Pƙed 2 lety +9

      It's just like all the moon goo that is required for t2 ship building. Most of the bigger null blocks control it.

    • @avroarchitect1793
      @avroarchitect1793 Pƙed 2 lety +32

      so what you are saying is that this is EVE's WW2

    • @trevor7355
      @trevor7355 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Big tech vs old money today. Eve is just a copy of our system.

  • @joeclarke6452
    @joeclarke6452 Pƙed 2 lety +478

    Never played this game but I’m getting a weird kick out of reading up on the wars in-game as if I’m researching a real conflict.

    • @snails6997
      @snails6997 Pƙed 2 lety +48

      If you have financial background, play it as manufacturer.
      The name "Space Spreadsheet" is lived up by the game. Because, this isn't a game, its actually a social simulator. Space ship is just the cover, humanity is the one you actually play on this one.

    • @vividdylan400
      @vividdylan400 Pƙed rokem +4

      Same. I'm kinda obsessed about the game right now.

    • @hasandelgado7237
      @hasandelgado7237 Pƙed rokem +1

      so i downloaded the game and im 10 hours in and im just lost because i dont know the difference between the beginner section of the game and not lol

    • @chrisheartman9263
      @chrisheartman9263 Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci +1

      There is no real "beginner section" or not. Maybe the area around the station of your chosen empire.

  • @drusik
    @drusik Pƙed 2 lety +167

    Even though I rarely log onto EvE Online anymore, every EvE Veteran will agree that: "You don't quit EvE, you take long breaks". For particularly these interesting reasons... Hell, you can literally learn how to be a stock broker by playing EvE Online.

  • @HowMoneyWorks
    @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +194

    Hope you enjoy the video guys, I am off to my shift at the virtual spaceship accounting firm.

  • @DiakronYT
    @DiakronYT Pƙed 2 lety +420

    Hey I was part of the 2016 wars, we called it World War Bee back then, I fought with The Low Road under the banker alliance (Money Badgers) and mostly did raids, hot drops, and small ship support for capital ship actions. (Mostly using a Stratios as advanced recon/scout) We later settled down in PB- (forgot the rest of the system name we called it this though) a system we helped to take.

    • @joeclarke6452
      @joeclarke6452 Pƙed 2 lety +50

      The way you just described that, makes me feel a love for a game I will never get round to playing. It just sounds so deep and complex. Mind bending.

    • @Stephanthesearcher
      @Stephanthesearcher Pƙed 2 lety +5

      pure blind you are talking about, i am out of it for 9 years by now but playing for 5 years burns things into your brain

    • @cherrycoke1159
      @cherrycoke1159 Pƙed 2 lety +7

      The system is PB-0C1 in Fountain. I haven't played in 3 years but still have dotlan bookmarked.

    • @eliasziad7864
      @eliasziad7864 Pƙed 2 lety

      What about real life?

    • @eliasziad7864
      @eliasziad7864 Pƙed 2 lety

      How long are these wars btw?

  • @seal3411
    @seal3411 Pƙed 2 lety +892

    EVE is the same thing as a second job. Most stressful game I've ever played.

    • @n3gi_
      @n3gi_ Pƙed 2 lety +293

      Especially if you are CEO of a corporation. I deserted my own corporation(which was going great) with 800 members. We also had a discord server. One day when stress got too high, I left the discord server and never logged into the game ever again. This happened years ago and I still have PTSD from eve's online.

    • @chikntendie
      @chikntendie Pƙed 2 lety +177

      @@n3gi_ I believe this. Congrats on finally winning Eve!

    • @shawnbenoit3774
      @shawnbenoit3774 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      Weebs

    • @somefuckstolemynick
      @somefuckstolemynick Pƙed 2 lety +6

      @@n3gi_ do you know what happened to the corporation?

    • @n3gi_
      @n3gi_ Pƙed 2 lety +72

      @@somefuckstolemynick No idea but most Probably dead cus I forgot to transfer the CEO position to someone else.

  • @totoblaubar8393
    @totoblaubar8393 Pƙed 2 lety +734

    Someone watching this video could maybe believe that the poor Imperium is a innocent victim of evil bullies. In fact the Imperium was terrorizing the whole Eve community and used any kind of metagaming to scam or backstab there enemies and their allies, too.

    • @brandonlee934
      @brandonlee934 Pƙed 2 lety +150

      just like what happens in real life

    • @mr.generic5100
      @mr.generic5100 Pƙed 2 lety +154

      Kicked off of 109 planets

    • @nobodyspecial7895
      @nobodyspecial7895 Pƙed 2 lety +27

      Well, my take away from watching this was that they were laundering their in game money for real world currencies, so they weren't innocent

    • @NoNameAtAll2
      @NoNameAtAll2 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      their*

    • @nahometesfay1112
      @nahometesfay1112 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      @@nobodyspecial7895 Um pretty sure it was the shady casinos. No idea if Imperium ran a casino or attempted money laundering, but that wasn't mentioned in the video

  • @Grz349
    @Grz349 Pƙed 2 lety +123

    It’s worth knowing that the warbonds occurred in the middle of the war in response to game changes that increased the cost of sustaining the war.

  • @qillerr_yt
    @qillerr_yt Pƙed 3 lety +514

    You also have to mention that the older organisations in EVE over the years have accumulated a shitton of wealth, so it wasn't really a problem :D
    Well, probably financing 400 titans welp is, but, smaller-scale it's not that much, and players are willing to lose it.
    The aspect of these mega-corporations - or alliances, is interesting because -
    they have to provide interesting content to keep most of their trigger happy people around
    yet at the same time, if they provide too much, the krabs will burn out and slowly stop attending the fleets
    at the same time, if they don't provide, either people will leave, or your people will become more and more industry oriented and you'll continue to attract industrialists only
    yet if you do not do it enough, your space isn't secure
    So the incentives to go to war are a bit different than in real life - if you don't go to war, you lose people and their interest, this is still very much an economy of enjoyment - less of prosperity, but important too, very important
    Also, low scale/covert ops/black ops - like in real life are pretty cheap and can provide huge turmoil in enemies space, you don't even need to go to war to do that regularly
    So, it's like Ancapistan, except you have still Daddy CCP, and you're at a perma-state of war with neutral to you people :D, where breaking the NAP would be just arriving in someone's space as a hostile or neutral.

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +73

      Sounds more like running a party then running a government when you put it like that. Thanks for the insight haha.

    • @qillerr_yt
      @qillerr_yt Pƙed 3 lety +37

      ​@@HowMoneyWorks Well, a lion's share of what they do is exactly like government
      - structures management, really tedious, so fitting them, fueling, making sure everything set right,
      - managing all the different bits and bobs the corporations take on
      - a lot of diplo inside and outside
      - paying for SRP, which is also very tedious
      - Then you have the Fleet Commanders, of various ranks, because not all FCs are actually good, not all are of equal experience and of different expertise; you also need to get new fcs every now and then
      They do a lot of planning for bigger operations and conduct them (obviously), and there's the smaller fleets, roams which they conduct to a) provide content b) apply pressure to hostiles c) keep space safe, save people.
      That is from what I've noticed and heard of, I wasn't in alliance leadership, I've heard bad things, it's really a second work with corporate politics included. Ideal for masochists, or really callous people who want to help their friends, alliance and so on.

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +33

      Yeah I could imagine that would take a special kind of person to enjoy doing for any length of time. Even still I guess they get to see the engine room of some pretty interesting stories.

  • @akashiseijuro5216
    @akashiseijuro5216 Pƙed 2 lety +204

    So while everyone was at home, due to the pandemic. Everyone at EVE be wagin galaxy level wars... now thats somehing

    • @thefirstsin
      @thefirstsin Pƙed 2 lety +2

      I gotta build up my destroyer back.

    • @shadxw_hunter
      @shadxw_hunter Pƙed rokem +1

      bro they're still going on today

  • @AHigherPerspective
    @AHigherPerspective Pƙed 2 lety +4757

    Would be nice if you credit your EVE footage.

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 2 lety +2906

      Ahh 100%, sorry my man. I thought it was official CCP footage, I just realized you actually went out there and filmed the battles yourself. I will pin this comment to the top so that people can look at all the pretty lights!

    • @salah465
      @salah465 Pƙed 2 lety +41

      true xD

    • @EsusGali
      @EsusGali Pƙed 2 lety +82

      u cry in ur videos and other ones? U have the "PAPI" spirit

    • @AHigherPerspective
      @AHigherPerspective Pƙed 2 lety +477

      @@EsusGali Cry? How about goons try taking a constellation or something. The great thing about video games is that we can actually take actions instead of exchange words. Hope to see you in game, have a good day man.

    • @EsusGali
      @EsusGali Pƙed 2 lety +21

      @@AHigherPerspective goons is defending, how about papi try to take the last small and poor constelation ):.... The war is too long, like ur whining ❀

  • @TheFps12
    @TheFps12 Pƙed rokem +91

    I wish more games had economies like this. Its so interesting. Would love to be a part of one but EVE takes a certain type of player which is not me lol

    • @-neuro
      @-neuro Pƙed rokem +1

      same man but when I get a good PC i am going to force myself to play this.

    • @alcubz2622
      @alcubz2622 Pƙed rokem +2

      Albion online is the closest thing to Eve, and it has better gameplay.

    • @mm-qq7bb
      @mm-qq7bb Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci

      @@alcubz2622 Both are pay to win garbages

  • @dannywhite132
    @dannywhite132 Pƙed 2 lety +28

    Eve's greatest decision was to make the memberships buy able in game, because that's what gave everything else in the game value and sparked the whole economy

  • @afterburner94
    @afterburner94 Pƙed 2 lety +67

    This was way better explained and illustrated than said "much larger and more successful CZcams channels". Absolutely amazing. Thanks for this series.

  • @MrHowardMoon
    @MrHowardMoon Pƙed 2 lety +464

    I was there for the casino wars. The corp I was in at the time managed to jump onto some Brave and Test fleets. We took down a Phoenix. I haven't played Eve Online in many years now, but I always like to keep track of how New Eden looks. Good times. I've heard the game is kind of dying now. To anyone who still plays, please tell me this isn't true?

    • @technyst
      @technyst Pƙed 2 lety +188

      People have been saying EVE is dying since 2014, it didn't mean much then and doesn't mean much now. COVID inflated the playerbase to levels only seen during peak 2016 fanaticism and while that is dropping off now it doesnt mean the game is dying.

    • @MrHowardMoon
      @MrHowardMoon Pƙed 2 lety +55

      @@technyst I might have to dust off the old account and come back. I miss Eve Online.

    • @SupaL33tKillar
      @SupaL33tKillar Pƙed 2 lety +70

      Yea it's pretty much dead on PC. The mobile version is growing and many pc players are moving there because it turns out, alot of people don't have the time to sit and home and game 20 hours a day.

    • @MrHowardMoon
      @MrHowardMoon Pƙed 2 lety +21

      @@SupaL33tKillar ermmm Ew...

    • @ethan520427
      @ethan520427 Pƙed 2 lety +6

      Lmao this wasn’t a real war buddy chill out

  • @imo6927
    @imo6927 Pƙed 3 lety +284

    wow, eve online sounds fascinating.

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +44

      That it is. In fact, something *really* fascinating coming tomorrow :)

    • @collinmartin8706
      @collinmartin8706 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      It's really facinating.

    • @richardroxburgh2984
      @richardroxburgh2984 Pƙed 2 lety +5

      It’s a grind but can be enjoyable

    • @StephensCrazyHour
      @StephensCrazyHour Pƙed 2 lety +29

      Eve is better for the news articles it generates than the gameplay it offers.

    • @TheGnue
      @TheGnue Pƙed 2 lety +6

      Once you learned the game and mechanics. You are hooked. I player from 2005 to 2012...I have peaked in now and then.. just to see my stuff. And remember the days when me and my Corp mate used capital ships to kill NPC ships..

  • @leezanda8430
    @leezanda8430 Pƙed 2 lety +169

    EVE really do be creating those quadrillionare sigma male grindset arent they?

    • @NeostormXLMAX
      @NeostormXLMAX Pƙed 2 lety +27

      Eve online is apparently breeding ground for sigma psychopaths

    • @Shinkajo
      @Shinkajo Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@NeostormXLMAX can you elaborate?

    • @omnianti0
      @omnianti0 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@Shinkajo eve is all aout relation social nothing constructive despit the feeling it give at first
      all is artificial and based on 10% rwards per hour played

    • @Shinkajo
      @Shinkajo Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@omnianti0 what had that have to do with signs psychopaths?

    • @omnianti0
      @omnianti0 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@Shinkajo because it loop on dematerialised relationship with a fake creative goal for the players all is scamed

  • @bellidrael7457
    @bellidrael7457 Pƙed 2 lety +106

    So, I've always had an issue with people always making a big deal about how 'expensive it is to wage war in EvE' and constantly relating the prices to real world prices.
    The problem is, yes, you could say 1 billion ISK = [Insert Amount of Money here] but nobody is actually like, spending millions of dollars on this game to fund wars.
    The fact of the matter is that (No, 1 billion ISK does not equal 6 USD, it is about 20 USD for 1.3B ISK. So 1B ISK is about 16 USD... not 6.)
    And more importantly, people just playing the game can earn upwards of 600m ISK an hour, and they do so with ease. And that's solo play.
    See, what these wars are fought over is not 'for fun because the leaders want others to fight for their enjoyment'. It's to control territory. Low security territory (Which means open PvP), especially wormholes. In these systems you can mine rare resources. And mining as a group is MANY times faster than doing it solo, since rather than filling up your cargo and then heading back to a station to drop off the ore, then repeating, you have a freighter loading up all the ore, and you just sit there mining nonstop.
    They use these resources to BUILD their own ships, so that they don't have to buy them off the market. Obviously it's not always the case though, and they also sell a lot of these resources for profit, which also funds their war effort.
    So it's incredibly misleading when people are like "THIS WAR HAPPENED THAT WAS WORTH MILLIONS OF REAL WORLD DOLLARS"
    Like, yes, technically it was... if you were to buy ingame currency with real world money to fund the entire thing. Reality is, MOST of the war's assets were funded by people earning the money ingame. NOT by buying it with real world money.

    • @jacobbehen9048
      @jacobbehen9048 Pƙed 2 lety +9

      That was beautiful 🙌👀

    • @hazunki8807
      @hazunki8807 Pƙed rokem +23

      i dont think anybody was actualy thinking that milions of $ were spend, its just that calculating that to real money it is worth that much

    • @cybercheese3
      @cybercheese3 Pƙed rokem +1

      Kinda like GTA online?

    • @tiagodagostini
      @tiagodagostini Pƙed rokem

      But people are spending. There were conflicts in the past that were funded by people buying PLEX ( with real world money) to sell in game to fund the wars. There was an instance of a single Russian wealthy dude spending more than 100k USD to fund a war.

  • @purpledevilr7463
    @purpledevilr7463 Pƙed rokem +8

    With the Casinos. Avoid possible bans by just offering ludicrously good deals for mercenaries, and just secretly sell the money for cash.
    An actual transaction that can’t realistically be traced.

  • @jackaver
    @jackaver Pƙed 2 lety +45

    You should cover the old school RuneScape economy as well. Real world trading is massive there with single players trading off for thousands and bot farms earning millions each year

  • @billnotice9957
    @billnotice9957 Pƙed 2 lety +8

    I learned more about EVE ONLINE wars on this video then all the other videos. I was an EVE ONLINE player for 11 years.

  • @TheRyugan
    @TheRyugan Pƙed rokem +8

    Alliances usually require you to use a ship following a doctrine for multiple reasons. 1. To make sure it's cost efficient and functional. 2. Because otherwise it would be impossible to keep track of what ship does what.
    In battles that big and fleets that have multiple hundrets of players in them would make it impossible to coordinate if every ship runs their own fits. There is 3 diffirent destinctions for every fit Tier 1, Tier 2 and Meta so people of every skill level can be part of the fleet. And yes, you can fly into the battle whatever you want to but then you'll have to do it on your own risk and cost. Reimbursement is usually only issued to doctrine ships at least for sub capitals, if you want to fly your pirate ships and have it officer fit then it's totally on you to make sure it survives the battle. Same goes for implants on your clones.

  • @spoony8485
    @spoony8485 Pƙed rokem +13

    They gotta start using videogame economics to teach Econ classes. Super interesting to see these things span out on a micro scale, because it’s much more condensed and less complex than real world events.

  • @GeoFry3
    @GeoFry3 Pƙed rokem +14

    Most fun I ever had playing Eve was our Corp ran afoul a bunch of Chinese gold farmers who tried to take over our little piece of null space. They tried to throw their PVE ships at us. We ended up making more just murdering them instead of grinding mission and bounties. They hired a merchant Corp to deal with us, but we had already brought in the rest of the Corp and two other allied corps. Turned into a month of mayhem.

  • @JVHorvath1
    @JVHorvath1 Pƙed 2 lety +470

    The real question everyone is asking is: “why isnt ISK considered cryptocurrency right now 😂 “

    • @512TheWolf512
      @512TheWolf512 Pƙed 2 lety +123

      Because it's centralized via CCP and isn't blockchain-based
      You need to realize the difference between electronic currency and crypto currency

    • @RustyOrange71
      @RustyOrange71 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      NFTs coming soon

    • @johnstarr2001
      @johnstarr2001 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Crypto is not currency it's property.

    • @512TheWolf512
      @512TheWolf512 Pƙed 2 lety +29

      @@johnstarr2001 complete nonsense. Currency is also property.

    • @johnstarr2001
      @johnstarr2001 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      @@512TheWolf512 Agreed, explain that to the government, IRS.

  • @emPtysp4ce
    @emPtysp4ce Pƙed 3 lety +22

    I might not have been playing this game since February, but I had participated in this war from its beginning to that point on the Horde side (and I'm a few weeks away from going back now that finals season is almost over). Your comment about these space nations waging war for entertainment is spot on, that's 50% of the reason Horde line members are waging the war. However, even as a total rookie back then, when the war started no one in the Panfam coalition I talked to ever thought the Imperium would completely crumble in the sovereign risk scenario you mentioned. We laughed at the war bonds, sure, but they're probably about as safe as US bonds because even before M2- we knew the Imperium would move to another region to lick their wounds and rebuild no matter how hard we thrashed them. After all, they're still here after getting their ass kicked in World War Bee.

  • @DutchFurnace
    @DutchFurnace Pƙed rokem +6

    I once played Eve for a couple of weeks, fighting with this group of people via Teamspeak who host PvE battles that you can join with specific ships, and one guy is like the captain/leader and you get a role like damage dealer or healer or bait, and then ended up joining a corp one day. I log out, and the next day when I logged in, apparently some huge internal corporation conflict happened and I was for some reason, now the owner of a whole bunch of stuff, like whole space stations full of ships and stuff, long long lists of them. I spend a day completely overwhelmed having absolutely no clue wtf was going on, constantly getting messaged/threatened by players, and then never played again.
    I wonder if this is an event people recognize/remember happening. Must have been like 3-4 years back.

  • @everythingphp739
    @everythingphp739 Pƙed 3 lety +61

    When they say virtual reality, they mean a video game economy that’s virtually real right?

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +9

      Yeah I think that is pretty much it.

    • @RayoAtra
      @RayoAtra Pƙed 3 lety +12

      Eve is a nonfiction story in a science fiction universe.

    • @collinmartin8706
      @collinmartin8706 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      The market in eve works just like it does in real life.

    • @shadxw_hunter
      @shadxw_hunter Pƙed rokem

      @@collinmartin8706 yeah but you can't make multiple payments for one thing

  • @readyplayer2880
    @readyplayer2880 Pƙed 3 lety +66

    I think i just found my next addiction
    😭

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +17

      It's a pretty crazy game, a lot of people find it really hard to get into but the people that like it REALLY like it.

    • @Pazuzu6
      @Pazuzu6 Pƙed 3 lety

      Pirating is where it's at!!

    • @joseph401
      @joseph401 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Welcome. I have been at Eve since 2009. I was in the previous "largest war" in Fountain. This will probably be bigger. Now I am in this one.

    • @chrislovell5152
      @chrislovell5152 Pƙed 2 lety +5

      FYI the players of Eve call quitting the game, Winning Eve. It is very hard to win once you start...

    • @animationcycles7109
      @animationcycles7109 Pƙed 2 lety

      It can be a gigantic time suck. The learning curve, is the immediate hardest to tackle. If you enjoy/understand how it works, then get ready for an evening bigger time suck, after you get the basics down. For example, just going through 7 or 8 systems, with a ship loaded with goods, in the wrong section of space,, COULD take you hours, of research, planning, prior safe spots bookmarked, etc,etc, so your ship isn't insta-podded...then your pod (player) with expensive implants destroyed/killed. But there are many online tools that can help organize your tactics to get safely home. Fitting a ship, expressly for a certain function or two (Depending on your skills learned) can also take hours, scrutinizing over every part, to squeeze in the maximum effect you want. Unlock, and miserably die in 10 seconds, because another player, already had a counter, to you ship. :P

  • @stevenbuck4090
    @stevenbuck4090 Pƙed rokem +4

    This was great! I joined Eve Online and struggled because I'm an all or nothing kinda guy, so I stopped before I got too wrapped up. However I was super impressed with how realistic it all is!

  • @mar10ssj1
    @mar10ssj1 Pƙed 2 lety +10

    I just don't have the time to play EVE but I am fascinated by all the shenanigans that go on in the game.

    • @omnianti0
      @omnianti0 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      you lost nothing fun
      at first its addictive to learn the rule and so disapointing to get aware how the game is stucked by the invulnerable bots and the restriction rules

  • @ricd.5121
    @ricd.5121 Pƙed 2 lety +7

    I don’t even play this game but I am super interested their wars now thanks to you

  • @phreak761
    @phreak761 Pƙed 2 lety +142

    The game is boring as fuck to play but interesting to read about.

    • @AThomasKent
      @AThomasKent Pƙed 2 lety +20

      Life

    • @Andyman269
      @Andyman269 Pƙed 2 lety +24

      It's a game designed for intelligent people who love strategy it's not designed for your average gamer

    • @josephbrennan370
      @josephbrennan370 Pƙed 2 lety +88

      @@Andyman269 lol

    • @solomon2532
      @solomon2532 Pƙed 2 lety +49

      @@Andyman269 lmao

    • @animq4ionboi.153
      @animq4ionboi.153 Pƙed 2 lety +48

      @@Andyman269 oooohhh ok Mr smarty-pants you intelligent we ape brains stfu and get of ye high horse

  • @HalIOfFamer
    @HalIOfFamer Pƙed rokem +3

    Was observing this game from afar for years, started playing recently and honestly, might be in top 10 best things our species created.

  • @TheMrFishnDucks
    @TheMrFishnDucks Pƙed 2 lety +3

    I remember the Waifu Wars and still laugh about it to this day. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

  • @alfaDude156
    @alfaDude156 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    So happy to hear Below the Asteroids as soon as the video started, kudos!

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 2 lety

      Honestly impressed you could hear it :)

    • @alfaDude156
      @alfaDude156 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@HowMoneyWorks : Back in the day, eve had a jukebox and an in-game browser. When you started the game it began to play the game soundtrack, Below the Asteroids was track seven iirc. I really like that piece so ;)

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 2 lety

      @@alfaDude156 That's awesome. Thanks for sharing that. I just picked up the game as I've tried to learn it so I don't know any of those cool back in the days stories

    • @Zaluskowsky
      @Zaluskowsky Pƙed 2 lety

      nice pick up !
      edit had to verify this: " they ve undocked. the cargo is on board!"

  • @deathspeakerplayz-youtubep2722

    I’m taking my series 65 test and learning a bunch about money, and than I see this video and I was happy to see everything was accurate and correct!

  • @IGetWicked
    @IGetWicked Pƙed 2 lety +12

    not all corps or alliance demand you to bring your own ship. Sometimes if the player Pay up front a sum when joining the corp/alliance they may be given a fully equipped ship that will be SRP

  • @raulrostas7183
    @raulrostas7183 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    The fact that Eve's economy was so complex that they could not only create corporations and casinos but that they could launder money just baffles me.

  • @gingfulglider693
    @gingfulglider693 Pƙed 3 lety +9

    these videos and EE got me into eve online, quite fun game :D

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Ahh yeah. I’m a big fan of his content... maybe he’ll watch mine one day

  • @omarbahrour
    @omarbahrour Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci

    This was fascinating, great video

  • @maxxomega6599
    @maxxomega6599 Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci

    Been playing for 15 years....and now that I am retired, and disabled unable to go out much, I am quite happy I have this to play. Between Eve Online and TV at least I am not bored crazy...

  • @hestiashearth478
    @hestiashearth478 Pƙed rokem +5

    i tried playing it back then, it felt so lonely and the gap between the rich and poor players is so intimidating. i had to stop after my mining ship got blasted to oblivion and my character had to respawn in a system far from my other ships

    • @Astroqualia
      @Astroqualia Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci

      Can't you just click the inventory of your ships and click the planet its on and just travel there, log off for a few hrs, log back in, and you're there?

  • @leggo0
    @leggo0 Pƙed 2 lety +19

    This game has always looked so interesting, I just don't know where to start haha

    • @eugenelevin9809
      @eugenelevin9809 Pƙed 2 lety +38

      Start by choosing a different game

    • @truereaper4572
      @truereaper4572 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      Just download the game and play, it helps to have a contact who knows the game well so they can teach you, but there's plenty of online forums and videos to help as well.

    • @MagGaming0506
      @MagGaming0506 Pƙed 2 lety

      I've played the game before and damn it's hard as a beginner,I stopped playing since everything is expensive asf,play it if u have alot of time on u.

    • @radiantdragon3789
      @radiantdragon3789 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@eugenelevin9809 Thats a good comment ;)

    • @shadxw_hunter
      @shadxw_hunter Pƙed rokem

      @@MagGaming0506 join a nullsec Corp, pandemic horde specifically
      I jumped from 10 mil isk to 76 mil in my first month and I didn't play much

  • @demilishing
    @demilishing Pƙed 2 lety

    You should make like 20 videos just on the game, I don't play it but love economics and love your videos.

  • @giusepperesponte8077
    @giusepperesponte8077 Pƙed rokem

    I would love to see a video like this about path of exile’s marketplace. It is my favorite marketplace in any game and the reason why path of exile is my favorite game ever.

  • @Hyper_Lethal_0313
    @Hyper_Lethal_0313 Pƙed 2 lety +7

    Never heard of Academi/Constellis, definitely interesting to learn about.

  • @Jamgwarn
    @Jamgwarn Pƙed 2 lety +8

    Do an episode on RuneScape (OSRS). There’s been a semi-stable grey market there for years. Some very interesting content imo

    • @meestersecure9060
      @meestersecure9060 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Partly helping out families in Venezuela, also these groups are manipulated by other black market gold groups.

  • @drknsss17
    @drknsss17 Pƙed 2 lety

    Your sneak-diss skills are strong! I laughed out loud!

  • @jessco8950
    @jessco8950 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    1:30 “time to learn how space money works” this is my kind of CZcams video.

  • @Elquequ3
    @Elquequ3 Pƙed 2 lety +14

    It’s been a while since I’ve played, but I remember a time when the exchange rate was closer to $20/billion. Inflation really has gotten that bad, eh?

    • @SomeGuy-qh6rw
      @SomeGuy-qh6rw Pƙed 2 lety

      I think now, it is more like 600 million.

  • @Autumn9000
    @Autumn9000 Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci

    congrats on one million!

  • @FamiAoi
    @FamiAoi Pƙed 2 lety

    When I had created a trade hub in Everyshore, it was 15$ for 120 million ism. By the time I left in 2012, it was 700 million per 15$ plex.

  • @danielhale1
    @danielhale1 Pƙed 2 lety +23

    For me EVE has always been more interesting to learn about than to play. Fascinating economics? Check. Neat headlines? Check. Fun (for me) to play? Sorry EVE, I already have a job and it's quite fulfilling. Plus I make money doing it. If I ever want a 2nd exhausting job, that one will need to pay too.

    • @qualityposts2011
      @qualityposts2011 Pƙed rokem +3

      Totally agree; i'm fascinated by the economics, history, lore in these places, but playing them is too time consuming.

    • @aegisofficial3819
      @aegisofficial3819 Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci

      Eve is only a 2nd job if you want it to be a 2nd job. There is absolutely nothing in Eve that is going to stop you from being a casual player. Need help as a new player? There are countless new player focused corps that will promote you to the actual corp later in your career. Wanna participate in wars? Great, because even a day 1 free to play player can be useful in combat and corps will typically either give you a ship to fly or help you get your ship. Worried about skill training? I dont understand why, your skills train while youre offline, just keep your training queue stocked and literally never worry about it.

  • @HeliRy
    @HeliRy Pƙed rokem +7

    The game is a blast, no doubt. But I quit playing over a 15 years ago. To get anywhere in the game, you’ve almost got to treat it like a full time job. For a while
 I did. When cloaked ships were a new thing I got my hands on one asap. Then I got to work making jump gate bookmarks for every gate in every system. Took a month to complete them all. I then sold those to a player who had the bookmark market cornered. Think his name was Bookmark King lol. Fitting.
    So I made a crap load off the initial sale, and he paid me a handsome royalty for every sale he made thereafter. Then I got bored, having more Isk than I could ever spend lol. So I gave the royalty deal to my little band of buddies and left the game.
    Learned years later that EVE changed how bookmarks worked, or maybe got rid of them all together? I dunno. But somehow my bookmarks were being used and copied by so many players, it literally crashed the game for a while lol
    You’re welcome 😇

  • @fifervonpiper6707
    @fifervonpiper6707 Pƙed rokem +3

    "The reasons to go to war can simply be to entertain the members of these corporations."
    When df did we start importing real life into virtual reality.

  • @steaminbimmin2594
    @steaminbimmin2594 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    I used to play this back in the day but ultimately quit because it's too damn complicated and I didn't have the time to learn it to play properly but this is really interesting. Kinda wish I'd have stuck around to see this.

    • @matthowe2703
      @matthowe2703 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      as an alpha now you can learn the game and still have fun. you can even get into a ship that will help you pay for your omega with isk if you know what to do. you should give it another chance

    • @steaminbimmin2594
      @steaminbimmin2594 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@matthowe2703 thanks for that, I might just give it another shot.

  • @malachaiuys711
    @malachaiuys711 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    Me reading and watching all this as if I'm a dedicated EVE player not realizing all the value of all the real world money lost in battles😂

  • @imenhashim6943
    @imenhashim6943 Pƙed 2 lety

    congrats, you finally did it. i just downloaded eve, you bastard.

  • @F8...
    @F8... Pƙed rokem

    it's crazy how much influence some games gain...used to play a game called knight online that had the most living economy I ever saw for it's time...items were rare to drop and easily broken while upgrading so they became infinitely valuable near the top tier. U had to actually open a merchant stand and sit there usually all nite while u slept to make money so u never really even logged off...it took like 20+yrs for a surplus of top grade items to b in-game and by that time they restarted it on unreal 4 with a new name haha

  • @chloekaftan
    @chloekaftan Pƙed 2 lety +8

    the fact that EVE onlines financial markets predicted the gamestop short squeeze basically proves that our financial analysts are far superior than wallstreet, not even joking.

  • @ethan520427
    @ethan520427 Pƙed 2 lety +11

    So what do these people do in real life? How many people play this? How long do they play a day? How do they survive in real life? What is happening?

    • @animationcycles7109
      @animationcycles7109 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      On average, when I log in, it's usually between 18,000, and 20,000 people online. but those numbers can be misleading. Because if you have the funds, and the computers, you can have multiple accounts going at the same time. ( so that "one" player you see, could actually have up to 10, to characters online, at the same time.) What the players do offline, is as varied as anyone else. I'm a very low key player. If I play, it's maybe 2 to 4 hours a month. Where as others, have a huge 2nd job, inside Eve, that unfortunately affects thier real life, and career. But thats like any other online Mmorpg.

    • @lets_see_777
      @lets_see_777 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@animationcycles7109 i think there are quite a few anime showing how online gaming worlds with massive communities can destroy people lives and lead to hikkikomori lifestyle. Its rare but something really interesting that took off in last decade or so.

    • @animationcycles7109
      @animationcycles7109 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      @@lets_see_777 I was probably a gamer like that. Not on MMORPG, but 2 combat simulators (arma II, and Il-2 Sturmovik) after working 12 hour days, I would go straight home, do about 10 minutes of house work, and then game. Anywhere from 6 to 10 hours a day. It cost me my marriage. But the good news, is I learned from it. I've seen a few EVE conventions, and watching dismal players talk about how much gaming ( EVE) affects thier life, and it's depressing. ( unless you making money off a youtube /stream channel, then hey, all good I suppose) but I can't game like that anymore. I remember my being a gaming zombie, and I gotta do something real, and productive. :D

    • @lets_see_777
      @lets_see_777 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@animationcycles7109 yeah the fantasy worlds are truly something these days to escape your life. Good to know, you recovered. Next few decades will be quite interesting to see how they will affect people, cause the scope of gaming keeps on increasing and there is very little concern to how these giant fantasy worlds affect us in long term.

  • @phillymobrider
    @phillymobrider Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci +1

    Scooter McCabe and i made some good money here in EVE Online for years. Business men in real life, and that flowed over into the game perfectly, with a bit of social engineering and piracy!

  • @bob9.060
    @bob9.060 Pƙed rokem

    This felt like a real war in space then a video game

  • @SAPlENS
    @SAPlENS Pƙed 3 lety +28

    This game is so interesting.

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Right? I mean talk about an endless supply of video content ;)

    • @erikmclaughlin5084
      @erikmclaughlin5084 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      It's fascinating, but I have no desire to actually play it myself.

    • @KevB247
      @KevB247 Pƙed 3 lety

      It's trash

    • @richardroxburgh2984
      @richardroxburgh2984 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@KevB247 how long have you played because as a new player I struggled and got very irritated just try doing missions for pay don’t buy things from other players because of scams and just play a little bit everyday and you will start to enjoy have a goal and figure out the steps for it like in my case I wanted this crazy destroyer so that I could be a threat also if you have friends get them to join there you can have large battles or start a business like my friends and I created a small business selling battleships

    • @KevB247
      @KevB247 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@richardroxburgh2984 the game is only fun at times but for the most part its trash for me

  • @elijahhull9611
    @elijahhull9611 Pƙed 2 lety +47

    “YOLO” means “you only live once.” Players in this game are literally immortal according to the games lore.
    I’m just messing with you, I know what you mean

    • @pallettownheroes2738
      @pallettownheroes2738 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      that is true though, literally all capsuleers are immortal, but they gave up their humanity to do it. no matter how many capsules you destroy they just get dropped off at their home station cloning bay. what i find weirder is that all spaceships in game are controlled by a pilot and no crew like a fighter jet but they can be up to 18 kilometers long, thats 180 football fields long. field goal to field goal.

    • @elijahhull9611
      @elijahhull9611 Pƙed 2 lety +6

      @@pallettownheroes2738 actually, according to lore, the larger ships have crew for minor tasks

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 2 lety +4

      Got 'em :)

    • @pallettownheroes2738
      @pallettownheroes2738 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@elijahhull9611 idk about that. Imma have to do some research. You got my big brain working on this

    • @DiakronYT
      @DiakronYT Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@pallettownheroes2738 this is true there are even crew number floating out there somewhere, a capital ship still has thousands of crew, and carrier fighters are piloted. (that is why they are not called drones)

  • @kurostyx9124
    @kurostyx9124 Pƙed rokem

    this reminds me of old mmorpg games where ppl work together in guild, fund for guild battle, farming and protect the farm

  • @rowly5587
    @rowly5587 Pƙed 2 lety

    eve online is a great game i enjoy it every night before since 2006 and its never got old. one day ill go to fan fest and meet the players i play with.

  • @platincortex5329
    @platincortex5329 Pƙed 3 lety +3

    Interesting video for an outsider!

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety

      Thanks :) In the interest of full disclosure I have only played on and off very lightly over the years, so I tried to explore the topic as if I was a complete outsider.

  • @theoasis9633
    @theoasis9633 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    I haven't played eve online in months bc I've been taking a break but trust me guys it's the best game ive ever played

    • @omnianti0
      @omnianti0 Pƙed 2 lety

      probably for the social interaction but the gameplay is so fail out of the 3D click

    • @PoIarisPrime
      @PoIarisPrime Pƙed rokem

      ROTF >

  • @drnoone3596
    @drnoone3596 Pƙed 2 lety

    Don't play Eve. How did it predict the Game Stop short? Very interesting indeed.
    Great video, intriguing.

  • @chrisrush1950
    @chrisrush1950 Pƙed 2 lety

    I just started playing this beautiful game a few days ago.

  • @jojojojo2089
    @jojojojo2089 Pƙed 2 lety +7

    What I hear about Eve Online is almost a mantra that goes like this, super toxic, high learning curve, and when your ship gets destroyed get ready to build a new one from scratch! Thank you, but no thank you!!

    • @TheBelrick
      @TheBelrick Pƙed 2 lety +2

      its worse. Old hands had access to ways of making easy isk which is not and never will be available to newer players. They play on easy mode and new players hard mode. No thanks!

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 2 lety

      Hey now.. it's... it's an acquired taste 😏

    • @Digitalman271
      @Digitalman271 Pƙed 2 lety

      Idk about toxic. There's gonna be some douchebags in any game, but even the pirates in EVE are genuinely nice and helpful lol.

    • @raifikarj6698
      @raifikarj6698 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@TheBelrick just like the real world unless you earn enough trust for nepotism to happen and you got access to their money to invest and making money for yourself

    • @TheBelrick
      @TheBelrick Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@raifikarj6698 It is true, all successful trading is insider trading.

  • @someguy3276
    @someguy3276 Pƙed 2 lety +9

    Those guys if they ever decided to come back to real world might just be the strong leaders world needs.

  • @Man-O-Little-Tan
    @Man-O-Little-Tan Pƙed rokem

    This is genuinely impressive

  • @Khamsin-
    @Khamsin- Pƙed 2 lety +2

    surprised you didn't mention the M2-XFE battle in which hundreds of titans were lost

  • @infestedlie561
    @infestedlie561 Pƙed 3 lety +6

    Im in the capitalist discord, so i hot the notification, searched "how money works" into youtube, didn't get the channel, searche "how eve onlines masdive battles are financed" didnt get the video finally searched "how money works eve online" and it was the third result, I'm sorry dude but CZcams really doesn't like promoting your videos, even being in the discord, with the title in hand, this video was annoying to get to but good luck growing

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Yep we are well aware of this. But that's the way the CZcams game works, hopefully once we grow a little bit more it will become easier to find us :)

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety +1

      In the meantime thanks for putting in the effort.

    • @infestedlie561
      @infestedlie561 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@HowMoneyWorks Thanks for making a good video

  • @brownehawk7744
    @brownehawk7744 Pƙed 2 lety +8

    Thought I was hardcore for playing WoW for 2 years. Little did I know people are having 4 year down times in between massive wars.

  • @tylerarnold943
    @tylerarnold943 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Played many years ago. It was fun. Looks crazy now

  • @RobertDownedU_Jr
    @RobertDownedU_Jr Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I just spend nearly two hours reading comments about the game and how the wars and stuff works. Before this video I have not played or watched a single minute of EVE online

  • @markgonsalves
    @markgonsalves Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Wtf. this sounds crazy fun.

  • @jeroenvdw
    @jeroenvdw Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Actually sounds like a really well build game. Just too bad I don't really like the spaceship theme in games :/

  • @HuckAcott-og7ze
    @HuckAcott-og7ze Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci +1

    I’m watching this while scanning down a gas site in a wormhole in eve!

  • @thruwaycircus2532
    @thruwaycircus2532 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Yes please do a video about eve online predicting the gamestop squeeze

  • @lord_haven1114
    @lord_haven1114 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    It doesn’t look at first glance to have much in the way of strategy when battling. Kind of looked like a messy cluster of stationary ships shooting at another messy cluster of stationary ships. LOL. I’ll hAve to see if it looks any better in more battle focused videos. Good video btw. I couldn’t care less about spending all my time and money in a video game but it’s funny that it mimics the real world so closely.

    • @kirtil5177
      @kirtil5177 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      its because the strategy is entirely within the types of ships being used, their loadouts and positioning when outside of blob fleets. the popular clips only really show the battles with the biggest amount of ships, these so called blob fleets. if you want more interesting combat you need to see 1v1 or small gang battles

  • @saintmichael5253
    @saintmichael5253 Pƙed 3 lety +4

    Can you do a video on what if EVE online did allow for ISK to be traded for $$?

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 3 lety

      That's the most amazing idea I have ever heard. Yes I will do a video on that in a week or two stay tuned.

    • @HowMoneyWorks
      @HowMoneyWorks  Pƙed 2 lety

      This was a solid idea

    • @nockradqkdak7992
      @nockradqkdak7992 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      Dude firms will just start hring gamers to grind for the money

    • @CountingStars333
      @CountingStars333 Pƙed 2 lety

      You can buy plex with money and then buy isk with that.

  • @Zelk1
    @Zelk1 Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci +1

    my friend started to play this game i haven't seen him since

  • @Shiftry87
    @Shiftry87 Pƙed rokem

    I really wished that i hade started to play this 10 years ago when a friend brought it up to maybe have been part of the crazy storys that comes out of this game.

  • @kingawsume
    @kingawsume Pƙed 2 lety +14

    Goon here. The one thing you never forget in EVE is this: Money, resources, and ships may start wars, but manpower, morale, and good leaders win them. And remember; we're not here to ruin the game, we're here to ruin YOUR game.
    *BURN JITA BURN*

    • @akashP998
      @akashP998 Pƙed 2 lety

      Holy shit that gives me chills

    • @eugenelevin9809
      @eugenelevin9809 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      This gives me the cringe

    • @Stephanthesearcher
      @Stephanthesearcher Pƙed 2 lety

      goons.....several thousend highly organiced professional trolls soly playing the game to ruin it for every one else and belive me, they are good at it since over a decade

  • @frostygamer3953
    @frostygamer3953 Pƙed 3 lety +3

    saw this on the discord server