TR&CI 121: Mill - How To Handle Multiple Different Cards Being Milled "All At Once"
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- In this episode of Tough Rules & Cool Interactions, I will be talking about Mill, something that thankfully was 'recently' officially shortened to just the word Mill. The recent Fallout decks have given us a new bunch of Mill centered cards, so here is a wild little scenario that I encountered and maybe you will as well. Are there any other scenarios you can think of that would be similar to this?
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That is so crazy to me that there is a place that things in the game go that are not the stack but a stack for the stack. Like, the stack is probably the first thing that new players encounter that really show them the complexity of the game of Magic, and it scares them that the game may be just too complex for them, and then here I am a player of many years and I'm learning that there is a place where things can wait even before they go to the stack. Very cool episode.
Yeah, it would be cool for them to come up with an official name for this waiting zone, but until then, it's just... A place.
I always appreciate your easy to understand explanations on this site
Thanks! I'm glad that you find them easy. I'm always worried that I get too convoluted. Sometimes I wonder if I should just read the cards straight, quote the CR citation, and give a blatant answer. But I feel like a more conversational way, listing multiple examples, etc... helps more players.
Wow what a tough rule and cool interaction ong
That's got a nice ring to it.
Fun fact I learned recently about mill, not all mill cards received the errata to make them say "mill". Only cards with specific amounts thay ask u to mill, but cards like Undercity Informant in Oops! All Spells tell u to put cards from rhe top of ur deck into ur graveyard until u find a specific type of card... mechanically this is not the same as mill n thus no longer triggers cards like Mindcrank since it now asks specifically for if a card is milled. This is cuz of the legend they made that dpu le the amount of cards a player mills. Do to the comprehensive rules, that is a replacement effect n needs to be applied before the effect begins resolving but we won't know how many cards would be milled until after the effect resolves. Kinda dumb but also it is now an important distinction.
Lots and lots of important distinctions in Magic. I'm glad that the game is growing, and while it's being streamlined in lots of areas, it is also becoming much more complex for eternal formats that have all these mechanics smashing together in crazy ways.
You can handle me 'all at once' ❤
I'll do my best.
The Wise Mothman seems like it will be very powerful. I like rad counters, hopefully a lot of people at my LGS get these decks so I can play against them.
I took like Rad counters. Not sure how much support the mechanic will get in the future though.
I'm hoping it'll get more support cuz if you want to build a radiation deck now you have the cards from the precon and that's about it. At least mothman has synergy with +1/+1 counters and proliferate.
@@lostmarble540Yeah, as WotC release more general counter synergies and things like more Proliferate, then Rad counters get some more tools. I think it would have been cool for them to make something that's almost like Corrupted with Poison counters so that a player is Irradiated or something like that when they're at a certain threshold of counters. Maybe one day.
The Screeching Scorchbeast have a may ability.
So You do not have to use it the first time somebody mills.
You can wait for a better mill-trigger.
But wouldn't you still want the highest one to go first? Once you decide to pass on it, you can't go back.
@@user-ye5ci7fw7o Yup, that's why I mentioned it having the best chance.byou can decline the lower Mill options, but it's nice to see the results of those first time see if they whiff.
No question! How dare you good sir.
Oh, no bonus questions? Ha, yeah. I need to stop getting sick, last 2 weekends I've gotten a sore throat and runny nose. I think it is mostly allergies, it just sucks that it keeps happening over the weekend and then I make the videos on Monday and Tues.
Dude, how do you guys come up with this stuff? I guess when you know the rules this well then you find these things easier. If this happened in my game we'd just totally get it wrong.
I was honestly surprised to see the Ad Naus, it's lower power levels but the guy actually used it in a fair way, it wasn't just a combo off and win moment.
What the heck, that's strange. Cool, but strange.
Strange indeed, a very strange way for things to play out.
@@ThisIsACommanderChannel What would you say is the strangest thing in Magic you've encountered?
@@digitalworldsvr7881Oh boy... that's a massive question. I guess the easy answer is probably something relating to Layers, or those rules that exist simply because of one card required the rule to be created. I could probably say it's the whole "Substance" thing that happened back with the Mirage Enchantment cards but that rule no longer exists. Neat fact, and kind of related, I'm pretty sure (I could be wrong now as things change) that Lich's Mirror has the most rulings listed on Gatherer/Scryfall (I actually have a video for that card at some point as a weird way to end the game in a draw). There are some crazy Un-rules, but they're Un, so not sure if that counts. And if we're going low complexity of rules but still just really weird, the answer is how if you block a Creature but then kill the blocker/s, then the attacker is still considered to be blocked and only gets damage through if it has Trample. That's always been a really unintuitive one that doesn't make sense to newer players and as someone who has been playing for a long time, I'd make the change as it would really change combat and make players think about multi-blocking a lot more.
@@ThisIsACommanderChannel I don't even know what half of what you just said is. Substance? Never heard of it. Looking forward to Lich's Mirror, sounds cool, and confusing.
@@digitalworldsvr7881 Ha! Yeah, I wouldn't expect 95% of players to know what Substance is. That's an old relic of a bygone era. Mirage did some cards that didn't really work right when things changed in the rules, so they had to panic create a rule.
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Poggers indeed.
Great. Not intuitive at all. Take care!
Ha, yeah. Wouldn't need a series like this if it were all intuitive.