Sorry, no amount of perfectly logical rational can overcome the pure reflex instinct which forces me to immediately pick up every single available item
So, to summarize: -scrappers good -wait on pickup up stuff you can reroll to see if you'll be able to reroll it, or if you plan to print so you don't accidentally consume it -wait on opening good multishops to see if you can just use a card -if you gotta print and risk things, dilute your item pool first -grabbing a backup rusted key when you have an encrusted key will allow you to keep the void train rolling -recyclers hinge upon item position, not the item itself
how can you reroll items??? What does waiting to pickup a red even change? If you're going to turn it to scrap, you can do that at any time, so what's the difference? I don't mean this to be rude, I'm genuinely asking! :)
@@T.v.Remote If you get a red item drop that doesn't benefit your build, instead of picking it up right away and scrapping it you should scout the stage for any recyclers, even if you dont get to reroll it you'll scrap it in the end, but if you scrapped it earlier and find a recycler later you'll beat yourself up over being impatient. Hope that answers your question :)
This is a great showcase on the macroeconomy in Risk of Rain! I've always wondered exactly how much all of these techniques factor into making a good run. Perhaps one day...
I picked up a lot of these tricks from watching some of the gameplay videos, but this comprehensive guide is massively valuable. Like i definitely learned something from watching this. The equipment positioning tip at the end literally made my jaw drop lol.
Ever since I started watching your content this was something I picked up on you doing and have baked it into my own runs. This vid explains it far better than I could to my friends. Thanks for this, Race!
You can just use the relic that lets you choose items. Why would you want to manage items and leave it to rng. Y’all play this game in the worst way possible
@shinydmike8490 "Why would you play the game as its meant to be played when you can use cheat codes and play on easy mode?" Managing RNG is part of the game. It's a roguelike. It's more satisfying to overcome bad luck than to always get perfect items and win without any real challenge.
@@AnonYmous-mi1kl - you quoted something i didnt say - the relic is not a cheat, its also part of the game - whats satisfying to you is different than other people - the game can be and is just as challenging with the choice of items -try again
This video actually really helped me up my game so thank you. I was way too focused on rushing through the stages and taking this advice to heart has made my runs waayyy more consistent because I have a better chance of tipping the luck in my favor.
This video is super nice for helping friends understand why I do microitemization. Before they would just be confused on why I leave shops unclaimed and key boxes un touched.
I often find that many of these techniques take more time than you realistically have to spare on a 4% chance. For the blunderbust I suggest only doing it on scorched acres as it has equipment multishops, grovetender, and imp overlord. Yes sky meadow does also have equipment multishops, but like you'll get an aloy worship unite if you're lucky and most players don't understand the quality or know how to use soul probes (If only rally point had multishop equipments). Though the recycler one I completely agree with. The rest however are very situational and I would not recommend this video who doesn't fully understand this game, and at that point they already understand most of these. There's no one way to play the game and although I may be a gambler at heart some of these odds are too low even for me, and if you're new to ror2 reading my comment ALWAYS WAIT TO PICK UP GOOD ITEMS AFTER USING A PRINTER, I DON'T CARE HOW MANY BANDOLIERS YOU GOT FROM THAT MOUNTAIN SHRINE, JUST WAIT. Great video btw.
It’s a 4% each, but those aren’t mutually exclusive. And they run together pretty often. If I open the legendary chest on Abyssal Depths and get a useless red, and there’s a multishop somewhere on the stage, all 3 are covered. Now there’s a 12% chance to find an equipment you’re looking for per barrel.
I had no idea equipment recycling works that way. Very cool guide overall. I have started using scrappers more and trying to make visits to the bazaar more often, but I still need to work on knowing when not to pick up certain items.
This enlightened me to some mistakes I routinely make that good back runs- and give a good idea of how to alter my strategy. I fully looted a state 4 with two tri shops full of gray greens, and after buying from them I found a credit card and was so mad lol
Another reason why this system is so good (which I think hopoo did intentionally) is that fact that this is making people use equipment more, and actually looking for equipment barrels.
I agree that some lighter work, like looking for a scrapper before printing, is usually worth the wait. But in a game where every second matters, scouring the map for a 4% chance of a recycler only to trudge back to the item you left, and then *back* to the teleporter 96% of the time doesnt seem like a particularly good strategy, especially one that claims to help tip rng in your favor
Time doesn’t matter as much as you think :) I usually play at 10+ minutes a stage and have a 98% winrate with unmodded eclipse 8 (no loops no lunars), I use these strategies to do that
Me: "I'll leave this aegis here so I can hopefully recycle it later in the stage" My loot goblin friend: "👀 now who would leave a perfectly good aegis here 👀"
Even as a beginner who barely has a clue what’s going on when it comes to this game basically at all, this did give some good ideas to consider I think. So yeah, good video. Will try to look for more beginner friendly content though but I’ll try to remember to come back to this.
Most likely not unfortunately, most of the topics that are guide worthy have been or are being done in depth. This is one area of strategizing that developed from me and my play style so I felt comfortable making a guide on it, albeit short, I think it hit home on some main points and questions and got the ball rolling for people to start thinking critically about future decision making in their own runs :)
Alot of these things seem like they would add lots of time, if there is a multishop on one end of the stage and a potential card on the other, and you are engi with no move speed, wouldn't the extra minutes add up over time? I know rushing is not better than fullooting but I know spending lots of time on a stage can cause scaling issues.
in my case patience isn't really a problem. it's the memory i forgor that i had scrapper and some good printer somewhere on the map and i only remember them once i hit the tele into the next area lol. and standing around to print/scrap before the boss event wasn't the greatest idea due to artillery guys like hermit crabs or mushrooms existing and threatening my economy
I think there's one small flaw and it's that the game is on a timer. We need to get moving pretty quickly, especially in the earlier stages, because it ramps hard and fast. I agree with a lot of these points about rerolling objects you have or waiting for a scrapper to hit a 3D Printer, but I also think a lot of better players would be willing to risk the 10% chance of losing a good item to hurry up and get out of the stage rather than having to scour the map for a Scrapper that might not even exist. Equipment juggling is a really solid tip though.
I've been waiting for someone to talk about time spent in the comments actually! I don't think there's any real tangible merit to moving so fast in the game you can't strategize, collect all the items, and macro your build properly. It's impossible to not sound braggy here but it's important you know the history of how I play to provide a point, I doubt many would care to hear me out otherwise. I spend 10-15+ minutes on every stage, don't loop, don't use lunars, all on eclipse 8 and I win 95% of the time with over 1300 e8 wins. I go on streaks rotating every character after a win through the roster regularly and up to 48 wins in a row at my current best. It's not because I have amazing mechanical skill, in fact when I lose it's because of my lack of such. It's because items are so powerful especially in good, well formed and synergized builds that typically you overpower the game almost always regardless of time spent. Using some of the things I've talked about in this video are parts of how you get there. If you immediately assume I'm wrong I invite you to come watch my twitch where I play live, or my other videos, or my vods on twitch/youtube where I have hundreds and hundreds of wins at 70-80+ minutes without looping. I hope everyone can start stepping out of the outdated 'time spent' philosophy and consider other strategies like these to not only be viable but more consistent and even easier. Best of luck friend and everyone who reads this. You don't have to play omega fast, other playstyles exist :)
@@RacesVideos Fair enough then. I'll try going a lot slower this next time on my next Monsoon runs and see if I can actually make it to Obliterate or Mythrix I also wonder if I need to get the DLC, because I currently lack the insane void items
This is the stuff that makes risk of rain 2 such an interesting game, and what I think separates skilled players from players who struggle with the game. It's not just about running and shooting and getting lucky, but how you locate, obtain, and manage items in the game
0:25 *_[laughs in better command essence to rebalance command instead to just pick from a few things.]_* if they put it in the game and it doesn't invalidate unlocks and achievements then it's legal to me and I'm gonna bloody well use it.
if you find a good printer on a stage: wait til you find a scrapper, scrap all your good items, go to the printer, print the scrap, print all your bad items. This way, you only lose scrap and bad items 👍👍
And in the average run not one of these was useful bc almost every single one of these tips consist of "spend extra time in a stage when you could be half way thru the next stage" if you get a useless red, so what pick it up and regardless you will get SOME benefit from it, unless it is an outright negative item that will get you killed or ruin your run, just pick it up and continue. You only need to macro for extreme challenge runs and/or speed runs, outside of that you can more or less run around and do whatever you want bc in the end having 1 more strong item isnt going to make or break the run
If you don't want more consistent/more powerful runs on harder eclipse difficulties I can't make you. It seems you don't care that much about that kind of stuff which is okay! This video may not be for you then. But other people do care about that stuff, and in that sense all of these tips are useful for those people to guarantee better runs. This video is also built upon the concept of eclipse winstreaking and without loops to bail players out. The point is to provide a way for players to not be forced to loop or restart and instead choose how they want to streak. Good luck with your runs though, but it seems like you don't need it!
I tend to do all the things in the video except for the last one with the recycler. They're great suggestions but there's an important thing to remember.. most of those tips only work if you already aim to scout and loot the whole stage. Expecially in the early game where it's not really THAT convenient. But what if you don't want to spend 10 minutes in the first stage? I'm not gonna search for every equipment barrel just to reroll a red item that is not gonna impact my build now. In fact, 92% of the barrels are not gonna have a recycler or a card. If I spend more time trying to hit that 8% and get stuff that don't really change my run most of the times then I'm literally wasting time. You can get one of those equipments throughout the run anyway and they don't become less valuable just because you find them later, unless you have an already functioning build with your equipment. A similiar thing can apply for scrappers and printers but I think searching for them is way more beneficial and safe.
This is pretty similar to getting good runs in Binding of Isaac. There is a lot of patience to get the maximum value off of each floor, but if you do give each floor the time it needs, you can easily get tons of value.
It's not really the same, wasting time in risk of rain is very detrimental to your run because of scaling, in Binding of isaac you can take as long as you like as long as you aren't going for the specific time gated stuff. You should try to do these things where you can but on lower mobility characters it's harmful to stay around for too long
@@TheMirksta Time is not so scary as you think. Leaving stage 2 on 25 minute mark because you tried to move pots for 10 minutes for two bands are WORTH!
White cauldrons on the moon show up most runs! Also there’s a lot that goes into why I’d rather have a few white items from the moon cauldron or hope for a red printer than have aegis on e8, it’s a matter of actually getting the most viability and usability out of my builds. With half healing aegis takes a considerable amount of items to even function at a low barrier rate, barrier that doesn’t block permanent damage. Effectively you’re trading a ton of other types of items like damage etc to get a very subpar item working for e8
I get the "save it now get more later" thing. But things are not this black and white and I'd say half of the times in a usual early run you'd rather use the void key to get an earlier powerspike rather than keeping the key hoping for another one later to get more void items later. Yeah that in theory is a higher power budget than using it right away, but you're potentially stuck in a state where you struggle to kill anything fast enough and by the time you could've gotten a secon key, the time you wasted getting there made the enemies out scale you. While if you use the key right away, you might get a polylute and start killing everything faster, making you gain gold quicker, open chest more frequently and run the clock more efficiently. By the time you find nother key, you could either be dead or already power spiked far enough for it to matter little and anything in between. Oh yeah the time scaling thing could be applied to most of your advices here, the choice is yours to look around the entire stage hoping to tip the odds more in your favor or move on to the next stage already looting more stuff giving your more chances to roll into something desirable. I still like the video for explaining why you do certain things that most people like I never though of doing tho.
I’m another comment here under the video someone had said the same thing and I explained in length why even though on paper that would be true, 99% of the time it doesn’t matter that you take longer or don’t get the void right away. Anyway cheers
There’s another comment on this video where I explain full looting vs rushing but if you want to see me explain it in more detail I featured in Disputed Origins eclipse guide in a 9 minute segment where I go over the math on this. Tldr yes it’s worth
@@RacesVideos I could never do this around my friends. They are the kind of people who will take a bungus from a multishop right in front of the engineer. An unattended red item would last approximately 0.7 seconds playing with my friends, and that's being generous.
You should definitely wait to pick up items in MP! Make sure that the item that pops out of the chest is going to the best person who needs it on the team. Most synergy with that character or build. When I play multiplayer on eclipse 8 we do this and we win streak quite easily.
@@RacesVideos Hahaha, something I wish I could do with my friends but they are absolute loot whores who pick up everything in sight even if they were not the one to buy it.
Idk man if two bands are worth a few minutes of your time to roll a pot then taking a lap around the stage for possibly 3x items from multi-shops or like getting a recycler for a red sounds worth to me, but if you don't want to spend the time then keep leaving stage one at 5m with 4 items dude nobody is forcing you to stay
From my experience the only time aegis is only good on someone who needs healing and that stuff is directly apart of their builds like engineer who needs support and defense to counter the fact that his central offense is his turrets and harpoons because his main weapon had terrible range and a long charge
sorry i have good friends who care about my own enjoyment and also have a winning mindset so we share items with each other so we both can have good and fun runs
To be completely clear, this is for eclipse primarily in mind, but unless you have 100% winrate in whatever mode you choose to play then I'm sure you can takeaway something helpful from this video!
Sorry, no amount of perfectly logical rational can overcome the pure reflex instinct which forces me to immediately pick up every single available item
This this is extremely underrated
logical rationalization is overrated, submit to your instincts and be a loot goblin
Is this the same instinct that makes me walk too close to Mithrix as bandit?
ah, the tried and always present loot goblin mentality. good to know others have this mindset too
So, to summarize:
-scrappers good
-wait on pickup up stuff you can reroll to see if you'll be able to reroll it, or if you plan to print so you don't accidentally consume it
-wait on opening good multishops to see if you can just use a card
-if you gotta print and risk things, dilute your item pool first
-grabbing a backup rusted key when you have an encrusted key will allow you to keep the void train rolling
-recyclers hinge upon item position, not the item itself
so what im hearing is Loader art in the near future? :)
how can you reroll items??? What does waiting to pickup a red even change? If you're going to turn it to scrap, you can do that at any time, so what's the difference? I don't mean this to be rude, I'm genuinely asking! :)
oh shoot wait the recycler exists..
@@T.v.Remote If you get a red item drop that doesn't benefit your build, instead of picking it up right away and scrapping it you should scout the stage for any recyclers, even if you dont get to reroll it you'll scrap it in the end, but if you scrapped it earlier and find a recycler later you'll beat yourself up over being impatient.
Hope that answers your question :)
@@chrysanthemumu3u yes it does! thank you!! :)
oh boy I can finally download Race’s play style
consentually that is ;)
you can finally become a raceist
Actually, i forget the red item on the ground and move to the next stage, so this is bad advice.
ADHD players be like
Bad advice *for you*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 10/10
Ngl thats kinda a skill issue
@@TartarusHimselfself-diagnosis mfs when they discover all people tend to forget things : 😧😦😯
This is a great showcase on the macroeconomy in Risk of Rain! I've always wondered exactly how much all of these techniques factor into making a good run. Perhaps one day...
Is that a lemurian as your avatar? They are very cute
I picked up a lot of these tricks from watching some of the gameplay videos, but this comprehensive guide is massively valuable. Like i definitely learned something from watching this. The equipment positioning tip at the end literally made my jaw drop lol.
Ever since I started watching your content this was something I picked up on you doing and have baked it into my own runs. This vid explains it far better than I could to my friends. Thanks for this, Race!
You can just use the relic that lets you choose items. Why would you want to manage items and leave it to rng. Y’all play this game in the worst way possible
@@shinydmike8490 because we love gambling
@shinydmike8490 "Why would you play the game as its meant to be played when you can use cheat codes and play on easy mode?"
Managing RNG is part of the game. It's a roguelike. It's more satisfying to overcome bad luck than to always get perfect items and win without any real challenge.
@@AnonYmous-mi1kl
- you quoted something i didnt say
- the relic is not a cheat, its also part of the game
- whats satisfying to you is different than other people
- the game can be and is just as challenging with the choice of items
-try again
@@shinydmike8490 Nah you suck bro sorry to break it to ya
Stack Warbanner's, got it.
Well if you have that mod for buff warbanners...
@@ClairvoyantLastrus Imagine not picking up the OP item that is Warbanner
@@ellagage1256 Right?! It's so good with the mod
@@ClairvoyantLastrus Uh right... I totally don't simp for the vanilla 30% attack speed boost 😏
@@ellagage1256 Oh no XD
Great vid! I've understood most of what you went over already through watching your videos, but having it all summarized neatly is great.
Item positions for re-rolling is an incredibly nice tip tbh, thank you
Thank you for the heart too
began macro itemizing the second i started watching your vids, runs have become 10x better
recycler = ♥
I prefer exec card tbh but recycler is good for getting it
the exec card situation happened to me twice in a span of 2 days i can't overstate how absolutely clutch it was for my runs
This video actually really helped me up my game so thank you. I was way too focused on rushing through the stages and taking this advice to heart has made my runs waayyy more consistent because I have a better chance of tipping the luck in my favor.
This video is super nice for helping friends understand why I do microitemization. Before they would just be confused on why I leave shops unclaimed and key boxes un touched.
That recycle position one is brilliant, I didn’t know it worked like that. Great stuff
I always thought that the item recycles were tied to the item, not the position so that's a neat new thing I've found out from this!
But 100 items make brain happy.
Dump it all on a shrine of order and watch chaos unfold.
But you still get 100 items, you just wait 5 seconds to pick them up :)
Thanks.
No idea why I never thought of doing that. It's so obvious yet it never even crossed my mind.
Run saver! 🙏
could be useful in singleplayer, in multiplayer if you leave red item on the ground for even 2 miliseconds someone will take it from you.
Get better friends! I use this in coop all the time and it makes runs free and easy when you both have a desire to better each others builds and win
2:21 this caused me physical pain
No amount of explaining anything will make me understand not picking up Aegis in that first clip
Starting to pick up eclipse, this is some really useful stuff! Keep, it up, you're doing a great job :D
this is a useful video guide/explanation tho a few of these i learned just from watching you play, hearing you explain it drives it home
Oh dang, this was actually super informative. Thanks!
That's a really informative video, thanks!
Kinda makes me proud that me and my friend started doing these optimizations on our own
I often find that many of these techniques take more time than you realistically have to spare on a 4% chance. For the blunderbust I suggest only doing it on scorched acres as it has equipment multishops, grovetender, and imp overlord. Yes sky meadow does also have equipment multishops, but like you'll get an aloy worship unite if you're lucky and most players don't understand the quality or know how to use soul probes (If only rally point had multishop equipments). Though the recycler one I completely agree with. The rest however are very situational and I would not recommend this video who doesn't fully understand this game, and at that point they already understand most of these.
There's no one way to play the game and although I may be a gambler at heart some of these odds are too low even for me, and if you're new to ror2 reading my comment ALWAYS WAIT TO PICK UP GOOD ITEMS AFTER USING A PRINTER, I DON'T CARE HOW MANY BANDOLIERS YOU GOT FROM THAT MOUNTAIN SHRINE, JUST WAIT.
Great video btw.
It’s a 4% each, but those aren’t mutually exclusive. And they run together pretty often. If I open the legendary chest on Abyssal Depths and get a useless red, and there’s a multishop somewhere on the stage, all 3 are covered. Now there’s a 12% chance to find an equipment you’re looking for per barrel.
I had no idea equipment recycling works that way. Very cool guide overall. I have started using scrappers more and trying to make visits to the bazaar more often, but I still need to work on knowing when not to pick up certain items.
This enlightened me to some mistakes I routinely make that good back runs- and give a good idea of how to alter my strategy. I fully looted a state 4 with two tri shops full of gray greens, and after buying from them I found a credit card and was so mad lol
I never knew the reroll position concept. Helpful!
Another reason why this system is so good (which I think hopoo did intentionally) is that fact that this is making people use equipment more, and actually looking for equipment barrels.
Can finally watch your streams without feeling totally braindead. Thank you!
I finished watching the video, really good easy to understand guide! Maybe that’s just my tons of experience talking tho
For the same reason as to why you always activate the shrine of the mountain regardless of the situation...because you have to, it's the law
I agree that some lighter work, like looking for a scrapper before printing, is usually worth the wait. But in a game where every second matters, scouring the map for a 4% chance of a recycler only to trudge back to the item you left, and then *back* to the teleporter 96% of the time doesnt seem like a particularly good strategy, especially one that claims to help tip rng in your favor
Time doesn’t matter as much as you think :) I usually play at 10+ minutes a stage and have a 98% winrate with unmodded eclipse 8 (no loops no lunars), I use these strategies to do that
@@RacesVideos or just, y'know pick everything up like the loot goblin I am and just be good at playing the game to always win my runs
Great advice. Don't hate on my Queen's Gland
concise and informative, thank you!
Good video! I'd like to see more little guides like this, they're very helpful
Me: "I'll leave this aegis here so I can hopefully recycle it later in the stage"
My loot goblin friend: "👀 now who would leave a perfectly good aegis here 👀"
To bad idk, dump everything into soldiers syringe
Based
Even as a beginner who barely has a clue what’s going on when it comes to this game basically at all, this did give some good ideas to consider I think. So yeah, good video. Will try to look for more beginner friendly content though but I’ll try to remember to come back to this.
Will other guides become regular events. This was pretty concise and I’m curious what other concepts I’ve been missing out on
Most likely not unfortunately, most of the topics that are guide worthy have been or are being done in depth. This is one area of strategizing that developed from me and my play style so I felt comfortable making a guide on it, albeit short, I think it hit home on some main points and questions and got the ball rolling for people to start thinking critically about future decision making in their own runs :)
I love your videos! This is a great guide
Alright now try to do any of this when playing with friends
We do and we win every time :)
I haven’t watched the video yet but yeah good point Race
Alot of these things seem like they would add lots of time, if there is a multishop on one end of the stage and a potential card on the other, and you are engi with no move speed, wouldn't the extra minutes add up over time?
I know rushing is not better than fullooting but I know spending lots of time on a stage can cause scaling issues.
Race ohw to make the most useful videos in the community casually
in my case patience isn't really a problem. it's the memory
i forgor that i had scrapper and some good printer somewhere on the map and i only remember them once i hit the tele into the next area lol. and standing around to print/scrap before the boss event wasn't the greatest idea due to artillery guys like hermit crabs or mushrooms existing and threatening my economy
ok. so it's "why not pick it up right away", but good way to say it, indeed got me curious.
Why tf did i never think of this... ITS SO OBVIOUS and LOGICAL
I think there's one small flaw and it's that the game is on a timer. We need to get moving pretty quickly, especially in the earlier stages, because it ramps hard and fast. I agree with a lot of these points about rerolling objects you have or waiting for a scrapper to hit a 3D Printer, but I also think a lot of better players would be willing to risk the 10% chance of losing a good item to hurry up and get out of the stage rather than having to scour the map for a Scrapper that might not even exist. Equipment juggling is a really solid tip though.
I've been waiting for someone to talk about time spent in the comments actually! I don't think there's any real tangible merit to moving so fast in the game you can't strategize, collect all the items, and macro your build properly.
It's impossible to not sound braggy here but it's important you know the history of how I play to provide a point, I doubt many would care to hear me out otherwise.
I spend 10-15+ minutes on every stage, don't loop, don't use lunars, all on eclipse 8 and I win 95% of the time with over 1300 e8 wins. I go on streaks rotating every character after a win through the roster regularly and up to 48 wins in a row at my current best. It's not because I have amazing mechanical skill, in fact when I lose it's because of my lack of such. It's because items are so powerful especially in good, well formed and synergized builds that typically you overpower the game almost always regardless of time spent. Using some of the things I've talked about in this video are parts of how you get there. If you immediately assume I'm wrong I invite you to come watch my twitch where I play live, or my other videos, or my vods on twitch/youtube where I have hundreds and hundreds of wins at 70-80+ minutes without looping.
I hope everyone can start stepping out of the outdated 'time spent' philosophy and consider other strategies like these to not only be viable but more consistent and even easier. Best of luck friend and everyone who reads this.
You don't have to play omega fast, other playstyles exist :)
@@RacesVideos Fair enough then. I'll try going a lot slower this next time on my next Monsoon runs and see if I can actually make it to Obliterate or Mythrix
I also wonder if I need to get the DLC, because I currently lack the insane void items
DLC has nothing to do with it friend, good luck :) hope your runs turn out great
or, you know, just be Race and GET a recycler every run.. easy ;) all jokes aside, nice video dude!
4:28 that hack beacon spot is immaculate
I main captain and stuff like that feels soo good to find
I don’t think I’ve ever gotten the recycler item in game without command on
Thank you so much for giving us this guide
alternative: fuck it we ball
This is the stuff that makes risk of rain 2 such an interesting game,
and what I think separates skilled players from players who struggle with the game.
It's not just about running and shooting and getting lucky, but how you locate, obtain, and manage items in the game
0:25 *_[laughs in better command essence to rebalance command instead to just pick from a few things.]_*
if they put it in the game and it doesn't invalidate unlocks and achievements then it's legal to me and I'm gonna bloody well use it.
You can also use the tricorn on the Alloy worship unit to skip the fight if you don't have big damage.
You can't because AWU doesn't have a boss drop (unless it also gives Empathy Cores), same way Mithrix and Voidling are immune to Tricorn.
@@Asparagun you can and it drops empathy cores for some reason.
@@Ashurion-Neonix Oh probably because it's just a funky SCU
Had to watch the video twice to understand it because it's too smart
Really like this advice, but my friends wouldn't understand and just pick up my items😭 (very well put together video, great job)
But Race! Lepton Daisy go brrrrrrrr
"keep taking that chance instead of giving up to rng"
-Race
if you find a good printer on a stage: wait til you find a scrapper, scrap all your good items, go to the printer, print the scrap, print all your bad items. This way, you only lose scrap and bad items 👍👍
But then you won't be able to use your other good items in your build because you've scrapped them?
And in the average run not one of these was useful bc almost every single one of these tips consist of "spend extra time in a stage when you could be half way thru the next stage" if you get a useless red, so what pick it up and regardless you will get SOME benefit from it, unless it is an outright negative item that will get you killed or ruin your run, just pick it up and continue. You only need to macro for extreme challenge runs and/or speed runs, outside of that you can more or less run around and do whatever you want bc in the end having 1 more strong item isnt going to make or break the run
If you don't want more consistent/more powerful runs on harder eclipse difficulties I can't make you. It seems you don't care that much about that kind of stuff which is okay! This video may not be for you then. But other people do care about that stuff, and in that sense all of these tips are useful for those people to guarantee better runs.
This video is also built upon the concept of eclipse winstreaking and without loops to bail players out. The point is to provide a way for players to not be forced to loop or restart and instead choose how they want to streak. Good luck with your runs though, but it seems like you don't need it!
I tend to do all the things in the video except for the last one with the recycler.
They're great suggestions but there's an important thing to remember.. most of those tips only work if you already aim to scout and loot the whole stage. Expecially in the early game where it's not really THAT convenient.
But what if you don't want to spend 10 minutes in the first stage? I'm not gonna search for every equipment barrel just to reroll a red item that is not gonna impact my build now. In fact, 92% of the barrels are not gonna have a recycler or a card. If I spend more time trying to hit that 8% and get stuff that don't really change my run most of the times then I'm literally wasting time. You can get one of those equipments throughout the run anyway and they don't become less valuable just because you find them later, unless you have an already functioning build with your equipment.
A similiar thing can apply for scrappers and printers but I think searching for them is way more beneficial and safe.
in a game about a race against time this delayed gratification is an interesting challenge
Time doesn't matter as much as it initially seems, progressing through stages has more of an effect on difficulty than time
This is pretty similar to getting good runs in Binding of Isaac. There is a lot of patience to get the maximum value off of each floor, but if you do give each floor the time it needs, you can easily get tons of value.
It's not really the same, wasting time in risk of rain is very detrimental to your run because of scaling, in Binding of isaac you can take as long as you like as long as you aren't going for the specific time gated stuff. You should try to do these things where you can but on lower mobility characters it's harmful to stay around for too long
@@TheMirksta Time is not so scary as you think. Leaving stage 2 on 25 minute mark because you tried to move pots for 10 minutes for two bands are WORTH!
Me when artifact of command and sacrifice.
Red Printers are rarer then healing items thou... Why would you scrap Agias?
Still good video even if I disagree with a specific example
White cauldrons on the moon show up most runs!
Also there’s a lot that goes into why I’d rather have a few white items from the moon cauldron or hope for a red printer than have aegis on e8, it’s a matter of actually getting the most viability and usability out of my builds. With half healing aegis takes a considerable amount of items to even function at a low barrier rate, barrier that doesn’t block permanent damage. Effectively you’re trading a ton of other types of items like damage etc to get a very subpar item working for e8
so keep playing like I've always done, great vid!
Didn't occur to me that it isn't as clear cut to make choices like theese for people.
Pretty sure the secret sauce is Spinel Tonic.
thank you this improved my gameplay 🎮 by 20% 😱 I learned a lot 👨🏫
not applicable to multiplayer because my friends would snatch the items up to troll me
time for better friends
I get the "save it now get more later" thing. But things are not this black and white and I'd say half of the times in a usual early run you'd rather use the void key to get an earlier powerspike rather than keeping the key hoping for another one later to get more void items later. Yeah that in theory is a higher power budget than using it right away, but you're potentially stuck in a state where you struggle to kill anything fast enough and by the time you could've gotten a secon key, the time you wasted getting there made the enemies out scale you. While if you use the key right away, you might get a polylute and start killing everything faster, making you gain gold quicker, open chest more frequently and run the clock more efficiently. By the time you find nother key, you could either be dead or already power spiked far enough for it to matter little and anything in between.
Oh yeah the time scaling thing could be applied to most of your advices here, the choice is yours to look around the entire stage hoping to tip the odds more in your favor or move on to the next stage already looting more stuff giving your more chances to roll into something desirable.
I still like the video for explaining why you do certain things that most people like I never though of doing tho.
I’m another comment here under the video someone had said the same thing and I explained in length why even though on paper that would be true, 99% of the time it doesn’t matter that you take longer or don’t get the void right away. Anyway cheers
This guy turned Risk of Rain 2 into a puzzle game. What a massive brain.
Cant wait to be patient with my items for my teamates to eat them all up
Patience can get you better friends too
you were playing admiral outfit captain, not picking up aegis is literally illegal regardless of the build, the drip is unparalleled
Scrapper ❌ ganbling ✅
slow and steady win the race
And Race wins*
As soon as I leave an item my friend is gonna yoink it no hesitation
someone's playing with goblins
I learned the hard way you can’t play like this with three of your friends
Time to get better friends
I primarily play with friends, and I KNOW that they'd pick up the red just to fuck with me.
i agree in theory, but is it really worth the extra time that you waste on each stage that makes enemies stronger in the future?
There’s another comment on this video where I explain full looting vs rushing but if you want to see me explain it in more detail I featured in Disputed Origins eclipse guide in a 9 minute segment where I go over the math on this. Tldr yes it’s worth
@@RacesVideos ah interesting
Imagine not picking everything up like an aspiraror
If I don’t make a decision and spend say 10 minutes on stage one, the difficulty scaling will crush me before I’m at stage two
I regularly take 10-15 minutes a stage and have a 95%+ winrate on eclipse 8 :) don’t pay attention to time as much
So basically, be patient, wait and see if there are better possibilities before looting.
Loot smartly, not quickly.
Inst the whole thing in risk of rain that your supposed to move quickly if I'm doing multiple laps to maybe get something better
Risk of rains ideal of encouraging players to move quickly failed, it’s more consistent to do the opposite funnily enough
@@RacesVideos interesting ok
*artifact of command has entered the chat*
Hello there!
I'm all like "oh god why would you do that it wastes so much time" and then remember that I'm too used to playing on Command
Yes, I do go for the multishop immediately, because I don't have the dlc
Now do it in a multiplayer game with 3 other people
I’ve done 4 player streams in the past where we utilize this method yep
@@RacesVideos I could never do this around my friends. They are the kind of people who will take a bungus from a multishop right in front of the engineer. An unattended red item would last approximately 0.7 seconds playing with my friends, and that's being generous.
my condolences about your friends :c
I have but one counterpoint to your guide...
Multiplayer.
You should definitely wait to pick up items in MP! Make sure that the item that pops out of the chest is going to the best person who needs it on the team. Most synergy with that character or build. When I play multiplayer on eclipse 8 we do this and we win streak quite easily.
@@RacesVideos Hahaha, something I wish I could do with my friends but they are absolute loot whores who pick up everything in sight even if they were not the one to buy it.
all of this completely ignores the fact time is constantly ticking, especially for characters with no movement.
Idk man if two bands are worth a few minutes of your time to roll a pot then taking a lap around the stage for possibly 3x items from multi-shops or like getting a recycler for a red sounds worth to me, but if you don't want to spend the time then keep leaving stage one at 5m with 4 items dude nobody is forcing you to stay
ive been playing for hundreds of hours and didnt know almost any of this lol my only strategy was amass as many items as possible
From my experience the only time aegis is only good on someone who needs healing and that stuff is directly apart of their builds like engineer who needs support and defense to counter the fact that his central offense is his turrets and harpoons because his main weapon had terrible range and a long charge
That was so obnoxiusly nerd
I love it
okay now do that strat while playing with vulture friends who will steal your items without hesitation
sorry i have good friends who care about my own enjoyment and also have a winning mindset so we share items with each other so we both can have good and fun runs
This is omega tryhard stuff that might be useful on challenge runs but on your average monsoon run it's just overdoing it
To be completely clear, this is for eclipse primarily in mind, but unless you have 100% winrate in whatever mode you choose to play then I'm sure you can takeaway something helpful from this video!
200 hours in game and only now considering this. I feel like an idiot