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Massé Shot Physics in Super Slow Motion
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2024
- Dr. Dave looks at massé shot physics and discusses cue and tip differences and example shots. The shots were executed by Florian “Venom” Kohler and recorded in super slow motion by Pubo Huang.
Contents:
0:00 - Intro
0:17 - Example
1:25 - Cue and Tip Comparison
---- 2:16 - super slow motion
3:44 - Trick Shot
5:05 - Wrap Up
Supporting Resources:
- “Venom Shots in Super Slow Motion” playlist: • Venom Shots is Super S...
massé shot resource page: billiards.colo...
- massé cue resource page: billiards.colo...
- “Top 10 SHOTS from Famous POOL MOVIES” video: • Top 10 SHOTS from Famo...
- "Pool Evolution" T-shirt: drdavebilliard...
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- Venom CZcams Channel: / @venomtrickshotsofficial
- Pubo CZcams Channel: / @puboh
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*Contents:*
0:00 - Intro
0:17 - Example
1:25 - Cue and Tip Comparison
---- 2:16 - super slow motion
3:44 - Trick Shot
5:05 - Wrap Up
*Supporting Resources:*
- “Venom Shots in Super Slow Motion” playlist: czcams.com/play/PLH9d4KFY28XvjfavLkmw8nIcWOiDH2GYc.html
- massé shot resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/masse/
- massé cue resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/masse/cue/
- “Top 10 SHOTS from Famous POOL MOVIES” video: czcams.com/video/ve7qeEhWGMo/video.html
- "Pool Evolution" T-shirt: drdavebilliardtshirts.com/product-category/general/pool-player-evolution/
- "Got English" T-shirt: drdavebilliardtshirts.com/product-category/humor/got-english/
- Venom CZcams Channel: www.youtube.com/@VenomTrickshotsOfficial
- Pubo CZcams Channel: www.youtube.com/@puboh
*Subscribe to Dr. Dave's CZcams Channel:*
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The "special purpose masse cue" is something used in 3-Rail & Artistic Billiards. A player can use up to 20 cues in Artistic Billiards, and most players will have several different masse cues.
I like it. More pool cues in the bag than a golfer has clubs!
I'm always glad to hear things like that, glad when billiard specialists branch out!
I love watching your slow-motion videos showing exactly what is going on, but having Venom as your partner elevates these to a whole new level. Thank you so much!
Agreed. Venom brought the magic. It was also helpful having Pubo with his high-speed camera, which is much better than what I have used in the past.
Love watching these slow mo vids 😮
Good job as always guys😊
I'm glad to hear it. Thanks.
Great video. Answered a lot of my questions. It's unreal how much spin he can generate.
Thanks. Agreed. Venom can spin the ball.
Excellent! Again these slow-motion observations are great. I was curious to see the tip compression at contact with the cue ball. Great videos. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you, and you’re welcome. I aim to swerve (especially with masse shots). :)
I just love the amount of science you put into your study of pool.
But then what else can be expected from a professor of physics? :)
Keep 'em comin', Dr.Dave! You rock!!
Actually, I was a mechanical engineering professor (not physics), but thank you anyway! Now, I’m just a pool instructor.
You, sir, are in good company as I have a mech engg degree myself. :)
Hope you're enjoying your retirement while you pursue your passion full time.
@@skmalladi I have the best “retirement” job possible. I’m loving it.
Awesome stuff! You're answering some fun physics questions ive had. You guys really seem to have a handle on the physics of this stuff!!😎
Thanks. The super-slow-motion clips answered some questions for me too!
@@DrDaveBilliards hahaha that gives me hope! "Even Dr Dave is learning new stuff" I didn't think that was possible, I've seen so much amazing stuff out of you!
@@MicahScottPnD One great thing about this game/sport is that there is always new stuff to learn and improve upon.
I just watched a video of yours about breaking that is 10 years old
Clicked here to see if your channel was still going and hey
Congratulations on keeping going so long !!
I've been at it for about 17 years so far. I hope to keep going for at least another 17. My list of filming ideas keeps growing longer and longer.
Woohoo, a new masse video! This means that my french colleague at work will be doing some more of his masse shenanigans next time we play!
He must have really liked the fouetté video, then:
czcams.com/video/1fKzwWnDCbA/video.html
:)
@@DrDaveBilliards Can confirm, because he mentioned it the next day :)
@@filip000 I'm glad to hear it. Please ask him if he thinks I pronounced it correctly.
@@DrDaveBilliards Bonjour DrDave, aforementioned "french colleague" here: your pronunciation is on point, keep up the good work !
@@Gringl0 Thank you. I’m glad you liked the videos.
I'm English, passionate about cue sports, particularly snooker. I've talked crap about U.S pool players more times than I can count. "They wouldn't last 5 minutes on a snooker table!!", "They genuinely think they're talented???!!", every possible slur's been thrown at them. But my views aren't entirely true, to be honest, not after watching more pool tournaments. It's shots like these that open your eyes to the truth. What would be considered an exhibition/trick shot, 'showboating' or even reckless in snooker is actually quite typical in U.S pool. Potting balls 'cushion first' (coming off a rail, hitting the object ball and potting it), potting with 'plants' and 'cannons' (hitting the object ball, which then hits a second object ball to pot, OR hitting the object ball in a way that directs the white to hit another object ball and pot, after contact), even jump shots! Not sure about the whole calling themselves athletes, bit offensive to an actual athlete in my opinion but they've got talent for definite.
One thing I will say however, is snooker players have far better cueball control, they're miles away from any pool player. They're far more accurate potters (the pockets are unbelievably tight, pool table pockets are like buckets in comparison), and far superior tacticians (putting your opponent in trouble with snookers, putting balls they need on cushions) whilst doing it all with a single cue and a gloveless hand 🤣
I also enjoy watching snooker. “Tacticians” is the perfect word.
I find it amazing to see that in most of the slow motion shots, a great majority of these shots are technically illegal. It's abundantly clear at 1:14 that's a double hit, but just too fast for anybody to detect. edit: should have watched the whole video before commenting. :)
I was a little surprised to see this also. But all of these shots are kind of "extreme" ... power fouette, highly-elevated near-vertical jump, highly-elevated masse. They don't come up in real games often.
@@DrDaveBilliards Agreed 100%. Most of these shots have a low percentage of even being executed by mere mortals as opposed to Venom. Unless really trapped, almost all of us would have a better chance at a well-executed bank shot than some of these options.
@@mungtor Well stated.
Perfect shirt for Florian.
Agreed. He definitely has english. For those interested, the shirt is available here:
drdavebilliardtshirts.com/product-category/humor/got-english/
Super cool video, Dr. Dave! Is there a way to avoid the secondary contact on massé shots, or is it not much of an issue since high speed cameras are not available and massé shots are accepted in tournaments and such? Thanks Dr. Dave!
The only way I know to avoid it is to not near-vertical-cue massė shots. But it doesn’t really matter since fouls could not be called unless super slow motion replay is available.
Thank you, Dr Dave you always have something new and insightful to share. I was unaware the cueball was responsible for the burn marks, I just assumed it was the playing cue. What do you recommend a person can do to be able to practice these types of shoots and limit the damage on the table bed?
If you use a piece of spare cloth under the CB, you won't leave any burn marks or damage on the table's cloth. Here's an example:
czcams.com/video/zwDWlpSJpeY/video.html
These super slo-mo hi-res videos make me wonder how often double hits occur in regular play and just aren't perceived by the naked eye. Then I wonder if it would even be good for the game if this type of video could be used to review shots in professional tournaments. What do you think Dr. Dave? If minor and imperceptible double hits do occasionally occur throughput play, should players be penalized for something only hi-res cameras can see? Do you think this would take some of the excitement out of the game by making players less inclined to take challenging/technical shots?
In normal play, most double hits are perceptible by observing CB motion per the info and demos here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/
Luckily, the examples in my recent videos occur only with extreme shots almost never played in match situations. They are mostly trick/proposition/challenge shots. I don’t think super-high-speed cameras should be used to “look for fouls” with shots like this during play.
These past few videos have led me to wonder- how often does Florian Kohler replace the cloth on his table, and what is his cloth of choice?
I think he has Simonis on everything. It almost doesn’t matter how often he changes the cloth because it quickly looks like hell anyway.
Usually every 3 to 6 month, Simonis 860 :)
@@VenomTrickshotsOfficial Thank you!
@@VenomTrickshotsOfficial Thanks for answering, Venom!
@@VenomTrickshotsOfficial thanks :D
Totally irrelevant to the video but my question is for statement. Is it possible to play the same people all the time and your Fargo rating stalemate or stagnate?
... only if none of the players ever play anybody else with FargoRatings.
I’m just under 400, I was 368 while on team play and when I played team doubles and my Fargo shot up. Everyone else on the team of four was 10 to 30 points behind me. Plus, I got my VERY FIRST, (team doubles) first place trophy with most improved, most wins, and most consecutive wins 😁😌😍😊
I see so noooow the softer tip helps increase spin because of the longer contact time. Seem like you are rebutting your other recent video where you're testing tip hardness and how much spin you can generate on the cueball with the conclusion of the video that tip hardness doesn't matter when it comes to generating spin on the cueball.
The tip hardness matters only with jump shots, where you need a really hard tip and light cue, per the info and demos in my "Jump Shot Physics in Super Slow Motion" video:
czcams.com/video/sMxATS8C2BQ/video.html
and with highly-elevated masse shots, where you need to jam the CB down into the table while maintaining contact, without the CB trying to hop too much, per the info and demos in this video.
I played long ago and would think that the Massé Shot would damage the slab of slate instead of the cloth lol
Nope. That slate is tough stuff, especially with the cloth covering.
jump shot is more of a hazard compared to a masse
... unless you hit masse shots like Venom. They drive the CB much more forcefully into the slate than jump shots.
So, extreme masse shots should be called faul automatically 😂
... only if there is clear visual evidence of a foul for a particular shot (for example, if super-slow-motion replay is available, which usually isn't the case).
@@DrDaveBilliards, you have clearly stated that in your video. I was just kidding
@@emekdulgeroglu3914 A better example is miscues. Super slow motion videos clearly show that pretty much every miscue (any kind of miscue, intentional or not) involves secondary contact, but they are still not penalized as fouls. Go figure. See:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/miscue/