RISKY CORE PURCHASE! 6.1L Dodge SRT8 Hemi Teardown. Always A GAMBLE!
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- čas přidán 23. 01. 2024
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Another installment of yet another engine teardown on the channel! At least once a week, you can expect to find one engine on my stand, getting torn completely down to inspect for parts we can salvage, catastrophic damage and root cause.
Today's subject is a 6.1L Hemi V8 out of a 2005-2010 Chrysler 300C, Dodge Magnum, Dodge Charger, Jeep Grand Cherokee or 08-10 Dodge Challenger. These engines only come around once or twice a year for us so when the opportunity presents, the camera comes out!
These engines are some of the riskiest core engines we purchase. Sometimes, they have very minor damage. Sometimes the entire engine is trash! We've seen both extremes and the nature of these vehicles combined with the 4-figure price tag of a bare core engine makes them quite the risky purchase.
Why would I do this? My name is Eric and I own and run a full service auto salvage yard called Importapart. Part of our model includes buying blown up and core engines to salvage the reusable parts from. We do not rebuild or repair engines, we merely sell parts to those who do.
I really hope you enjoyed this teardown, as always I love all of the comments, feedback and even the criticism. Catch you on the next one!
-Eric - Auta a dopravní prostředky
No chance Eric is making any money off this engine! I mean, why would you even buy a core engine missing the most important part... the water pump! 🤣🤣
I know those aluminum intake manifolds are worth some gold…
I would have bought that water pump
Buy an engine without a used water pump is a no no! Better is with a dip stick tube installed.
Good to know I didn't miss him chucking the water pump...
The chain... It's always the chain.
I do cars mid week YES brother.
Can I get a hell yeah brother?!?!
@@blakebritain9787Hell yeah, brother! May frequent oil changes be with you and deliver you from malice in the combustion palace.
Hell yea brother!
Hell ya brother
I did a bit of a double take... Is it Saturday? 😊
You need to explain to my wife why I described a recent upset stomach as "malice in the digestion palace".
@85NickT Couldn't help laughing at this comment, just caught me by surprise
Explore this some more! Take other gems out of context and see what happens.
I can't make anything in normal life "mechanically regapped", but piston McNuggets obviously have their non-automotive counterpart.
Makes you wonder what "forbidden glitter" would be...
Brilliant I may have to use this 😂
"What are you doing, honey? Want to meet up for lunch?"
"Can't. Watching a dude rip a motor apart".
"Oh".
That's not bad !!!! I'm watching train videos!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
As an Owner of a 2008 First Edition Challenger SRT8, I can confirm that these are never involved in abuse, or even spirited driving.....
(*** ding!!!***)
Hold on, my BS detector just went off.....
I'm picturing the scene, when somebody put a 'good used' engine in their car/truck and it sounded like a nervous skeleton playing castanets in a metal filing cabinet. And then had a tool nightmare. It must've been 'one of those days' and then some. And I'm glad it wasn't me, for once.
I did not have "skeleton playing castanets in a metal filing cabinet" on my bingo card for today. Excellent analogy sir. Consider it stolen.
Two skeletons making love on a tin roof is another oldie but goodie.😅
Win or Bin would be a great name for a series of I Do Cars episodes
Wow, what a treat! An excuse not to work for the next 34 minutes XD
Facts
my supervisor wants to backcharge Eric for the lost time distraction of these videos
1:28 I was just thinking, "The sarcasm is thick with this one today..."
Apparently Eric couldn't keep a straight face any longer. 😁
Unfortunately, the waterpump is missing, too 😂
Probably in orbit
I would have bought that perfectly good water pump
Way back in the day I was doing a compression test on the KA in my 240sx. Everything was going smoothly, no binding, no crunching, no cross-threading, it was a beautiful Saturday afternoon. When I finished with Cyl 3 and began to take the tester out for number 4 something didn't feel right. The adapter had unscrewed from the hose and was still in the spark plug hole. I tried putting the hose back on, but that only further tightened the adapter in the plug hole. Queue 5 minutes of "F*ck"s interrupted by an occasional "Sh*t".
As I was sitting in my folding chair contemplating if I could quickly source another KA or if I would be able to swing an SR at that time, I saw a little bottle of super glue sitting on the shelf. I knew I had one shot at the plan, and I had to be accurate and fast. I waited for everything to cool down, a drop of glue on the threads of the hose and straight in.
I decided Cyl 4 had enough compression and did not need to be tested. The results were something like 150-145-155-Mmhmm. Plugs went back in for a successful test start and I went inside to change my underwear and call it a day. I'm still okay with the loss of my $35 Harbor Freight Compression Tester kit some 12 years on.
Good story man! 😅😅 Nice problem solving solution too, CA glue to the rescue!
Ps: FYI - sprinkling baking soda on the CA glue will cure it instantly. 👍🏻👌🏻🛠️🔧🔩
That was a tale for the ages!
@@tdotw77 That's a good tip to keep in my pocket if I need a quick set on the glue. In this case I needed time to get the adapter all the way on the hose. Any thoughts on extending the set time of super glue?
@@poohssmartbrother1146 Thanks Cuz. Remembering being a broke 19 year old with parents that don't like my hobby and in that situation still brings up a 850 yard stare on my face.
Some kind of lesson in there about buying hacktastic garbage from harbor freight
in that 35 minutes i could have watched a million dollar per episode production from some critically acclaimed series but i am binge watching a guy tearing down engines and having much more fun. Probably because of the deadpan humor combined with the deep dive on how all these engines work
I have been watching these for a good few years now. They never fail. 😊 Eric, please never stop making this content. It's solid gold. ❤
But fortunetley the engines do...
It kind of sucks for him though. He has to spend the extra time to edit videos of engines with no value.
New lifters, new camshaft, a bit of sandblasting, new piston rings and bearings, oil pump, accessoires, gaskets ... You got there a good engine ...
Nope, I sure didn't slap a 2.8LC Kenne Bell blower on my stock bottom end 2010 SRT8 and cracked it up to 8lbs of boost. Nope, I also don't rip burning figure-eights in Walmart parking lots until I'm on bare Alcoas. Only gets driven to church on Sundays for sure.
Suuuuuuuuuuure 😉
😅😮See, I knew it existed somewhere! 😂😂😂⚡🔥💥💨💨😎👍🏻👌🏻🏎️🚦🏎️🚧
Even in this state you'll sell those parts and make money. 6.1 blocks are becoming gold.
In Detroit area 99% of Charger RT, Challenger and Hellcats, Scatpacks have been beat to death. I live 2 miles from a large Chrysler dealer that I bought my 13 Daytona from. and last 7-8 years they were financing anyone. Guys making $15 a hour were getting approvals on $50k and up (my salesman is a friend and told me these tales) one Hellcat new owner leaving dealership with a $2000 a month payment. I see these young guys just absolutely beating these cars to death, doing donuts in intersection, they even block local freeways in Detroit for hijinks. I see quite a few Hemi cars at CoPart and local auctions, and they are expecting top dollar, "well all it needs is a engine, trans, rear gear and a front clip, a few interior pieces" was what one live auctioneer stated. My dodge has under 30k miles and I am a old man, but keep a work van or SUV in front of it in summer time and 3 years ago, on a Friday night on Southfield Freeway in Detroit I ended up with a bullet hole in drivers front fender, some young fella's wanting me to pull over.
Oh wow! I'm glad I live far, far away from Detroit. Still in MI, though.
I think you should have gone through the motions of removing and disposing of the water pump, even if it wasn't there.
Ooh, a mime! :)
Great video, Eric. That camshaft is known as a "hamburger cam." Because it's "ground round." Keep up the great work.
these engines were a riot. in a challenger you didnt even realize you would be doing 100 because it was so effortless.
I love the plastic wrapped engine. Its like an alien pod in a sci fi movie.
"It bottomed out."
This was the only time Eric has ever heard those words.
Me to. 😢
Your videos never fail to make me want to change my oil
The lifter failures are by far associated with long times where the engine is sitting at idle.
Which is why the failures are prevalent in work trucks with HIGH hours and low miles.
And HEMI Charger police cars.
Dodge is the only vehicle I've driven that the oil pressure gauge would drop to a ¼ gauge at idle and rise to ¾ gauge at speed. My 4.7 with 200,000 miles like to drink oil. When oil pressure would only get to half on the gauge at speed I knew it was low😅
Eric, I'm nearly as excited about you getting a good return on investment as I am seeing carnage during these teardowns. Good profits means these teardowns will be here for our viewing pleasure for a long time!
Midweek teardown for the win!!
On the older Hemis, the windage tray went between the block and the pan, and had gaskets on both faces; looks like they just consolidated the assembly.
The fact that roller lifter failures are common on LS, LT, and Hemi engines, happens constantly with retrofit roller lifters as well as flat-tappet cams and lifters on old Ford, Mopar, and GM engines... but WASN'T common on Magnums, Ford 5.0s or Gen II SBCs (once those finally got roller lifters) tells me that something has gone horribly wrong with manufacturing of cams and lifters since about 2003.
or oiling.
the race to ever thinner oils, possibly undersized passages, oil sludging or contamination, and there'd be now way for them to get cleared of any debris.
@@johnhufnagel but the failures happen with people who have reported using premium oils. The engine in this video is not one that calls for thin (eg 5w20) oil, but calls for a rather thick 0w40 (Mobil 1 0w40 was factory fill and recommended on the oil cap in those years, before Pennzoil Euro 0w40 became factory fill). And it had obviously been run on a premium oil, because it was spotlessly clean inside. I’m convinced that It’s entirely poor manufacturing by the cam manufacturers, the whole “it’s the low zinc oil!” thing is 100% bogus, a red herring.
Lifters fail first; that destroys the cam. Lifters are the issue
That is the same question I ask myself. You are 100% correct
lower idle oil pressure, 5w20-0w-40 oil weights longer change intervals.
Maybe just bad part suppliers, to the manufacturers.
I know it's an old timers fix but seeing the Hemi with oil starvation issue's on the rear lifters , back in the day we would run steel tubing to oil starved areas and feed it externally. Kind of like sprinkler system in a garden I did a few in my day it may not be the "proper" way but it was cheap and it worked.
Oh man, a WEDNESDAY tear down??!! You just made my mid-week Eric! 😁👍👍
I love the show bc you usually let me know things to look for with concerns or manufacturer defects. Keep it up. Veteran Here. Thank You so much
It's nothing to do with the camshaft position or the cylinder deactivation. It only started happening often once VVT was added. If it was the position of the camshaft then it would have happened more often in pre 2009 engines. It's not cylinder deactivation either. Stick shift cars with no cylinder deactivation also do it. The engine in this video wiped cylinder 8 which does not deactivate. My experience is high idle time vehicles do it all the time. Cop vehicles wipe camshafts all of time. I think the VVT was fitted on an oiling system that wasn't originally designed for it. Every time i do one of these I replace the oil pump with a high volume pump from a 6.2 hellcat. I think people blame the cylinder deactivation because it is actually a problem with LS LT engines.
I thought the problem might have been with poor quality lifters on the later models.
I can only imagine the words said when that pressure tester fitting got stuck, and then the eazy out. I bet tools were thrown.
Probably so, but he didn’t throw the eazy out 😂
"Kid, where did you learn to cuss like that?"
"I held the flashlight for dad..."
I very rarely watch commercials but I always try to let yours run . You provide an education and entertainment...I like to think I return a tiny bit by letting your commercials run all the way through so you get max benefit from me for all your time and money you put forth in these videos. Keep up the good work!
aww, someone already chucked the water pump lol
*sticks around for the final bit* oh dear lord
After seeing your video about the hemi engine and seeing other videos discussing oiling problems with hemi, I am so glad I got rid of my 2012 jeep grand Cherokee before it detonated.
This was caught pretty early, especially compared to mine. When I bought mine is was running on 6 and had begun to spall Everywhere on the cam. New cam, pushrods, lifters and cam bearings and ran good again. A wonderful bargain for $2k
That lifter identified as a flat tappet lifter
And the cam identified as a minimal lift cam
love your videos. learn a lot about engines i've never ran or worked on. keep them coming!
In the background, sitting near the floor way to the left is what I believe is a Volkswagen VR6 at 1:05. That would be a fascinating engine to see taken apart!
Great video!
Fantastic to get an extra video this week!
And very glad you did well out of this engine. Thanks Eric :)
Always fun dude! Thanks for the show 😊
Cool ! always a surprise to get one mid week --- love the show Sir, keep it up and dont change it, its one of the best you tube on -- stay safe and warm
Funny part is that I have seen people reuse used parts on many of engines. People I know would run that whole set up after a quick crank polish, hone the cylinders, and slap rings, bearings, valve seals and assembly time and run it for a couple three years till it makes noise again. Don't forget about the good used cam and lifters for the reassembly , my neighbor is running around in his work truck with a weekend slammed together with the used parts from the local pick a part and Facebook marketplace and it's holding up for now.
A few pits in the bore will hold oil but the grooves in the rear main may be a problem !!!
I always root for you to hit the jackpot.
Thanks Eric! Love your channel! Keep up the great videos.😀👍
Could you please show us the difference between a heat tab and triggered heat tab
Maybe a demonstration...
Thanks!
Thank you. Enjoy your work and always learn something.
One of the best content up in this mug. Keep it up
Heck yeah just what I needed after work a good ole video. 😎
These videos convinces me that you cannot go wrong bying used parts from this guy!
A bonus teardown this week! Thanks Eric!
Interesting, thanks for the bonus teardown video. 👍
Love the midweek teardowns. Thanks Eric.
What a great surprise! Thanks Eric, so appreciated. 😀😀😀
Things that I like about this channel is the opportunity to watch you tear down engines like I have never seen before. I am grateful for Rainman Ray for mentioning your channel. THANK YOU! 👩🦳
I needed this today. Thanks man. You really are awesome!
Nice video. I don't miss the water pump business. Your analysis, your diagnoses, your predictions of wat you'll find, general info on the engine type ... those make the channel. Discoveries like the broken tester in the head are sweeteners.
Great timing!! Glad you hit the sweet spot on this weird treasure trove❤
Ive been waiting around for another hemi for months this is fantastic
I am learning watching these videos. Thank you
Another mid-week! You are spoiling us!
Thank you for your community service and education.
Thanks Eric, made my mid-week.
64 year old man from Missouri and I like and enjoy your videos!
30:26 This engine probably wouldn't have failed if oil still had zinc in it. Zinc is critical for older flat tappet engines to survive because it protects the lifters and cam lobes in them. Run a flat tappet engine without zinc in the oil and the cam wipes pretty fuckin' quick. But with zinc, they last for eons. This engine effectively became partially flat tappet when that roller quit rollering, so a good dose of zinc in the oil would have kept the roller and cam lobe from eating one another when that happened.
It may also have helped avoid the roller failing in the first place.
Smoked like a brisket on the Fourth of July that is a fabulous line
Thanks!!! Appreciate the midweek video!!
This is exactly what i needed today
Yeh! New upload to enjoy from the chilly shire of Oxford - UK…🤙
I love watching these because you just never know what you will find. Thank you Eric for making such awesome videos for all of us!
Mid week teardown?? What a treat.
Pausing at exactly the 5:00 mark. I’m guessing it’s gonna be salvageable to the extent that you can sell the heads and upper assembly, and the crank and maybe oil pan.
Guessing the cylinders and pistons left some deep scaring or worse from overheating
It’s always a treat to get a midweek video
Currently at lunch at the body shop right now, perfect timing
Love the mid week surprise vids!
Sneakypeek looks like a fun one too!
I actually got a compression tester stuck in there exactly the same way almost identical to this The way I got it out was I used a quarter drive torx bit and an extension and just hammered it into the compression tester threading Don't buy compression testers off of Amazon word of advice
My Home Made tester was welded together, now I know why. An old spark plug, a piece of square tube and a hose tail magic.
A word of advice, don't screw your compression tester in so tight that it breaks off trying to get it out.... and, buy one from a reputable source✌️
@@petesmith5092 I had never actually tried to use one before this point and the threads were kind of boogered up in the first place I didn't actually screw it down all the way and yeah this was from a Amazon seller so yeah 🤣
Wooo hoooo! Was not expecting a midweek.
Oh, I am giddy and can’t wait for the tear down of the sneak peek. What a treat! I’m not well versed in that mfgr, but I’m guessing that might even be a turbo motor. Six and three quarters of joy.
Damn it Eric...make me think it's a Saturday already! lol Thanks for the midweek teardown!
Good to see you will be making a few bucks on this one. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for mid week video Eric!
hey great content really interesting looking at your methods please keep itgoing you are the real deal
My mechanical engineer Eric is correct 💯% again and this old man assembler/builder was correct and you are correct again. Caught early, this should be a great workable core for a good machine shop session and rebuilding to a great street strip runner.
Here's a challenge teardown: A Chevrolet Vega engine. The kind where the pistons rode directly on aluminum cylinder walls. Somebody out there must have one stashed away. I want to see the carnage of those cylinders with their "magic coating" that wore away and allowed the eingines to burn gallons of oil.
Hey Erik. My Vega experience was awesome. I bought a 1975 Vega in 1978. This is in Southern California, so rust was a non issue. Car had 40.000 miles on it and was in near New condition. Had a 3 speed manual. I paid 1000 dollars for it including tax, license and other doc fees. I drove it for 3 years, all over the place, including a trip from California to Wilmington North Carolina and back with no issues. The only repair was a busted clutch cable, cheap repair. That was all. I changed the oil every 3000 miles, it used no oil between changes. I sold it in late 1981, still running fine, with just under 90.000 miles on it for 1.500 dollars! And the guy who bought it was happy to get it.
That magic coating sounds like Nikasil, which is used in lots of modern performance cars and motorcycles. It's much harder than cast iron and the lack of a sleeve allows for better heat transfer. It is harder to rebuild though obviously as you can't just go 0.010 or 0.020 over, you have to strip the old coating and re-plate it. Good machine shops have no issue doing that however.
@@seabrookmxbut that coating will chip off around the ports on a 2 stroke. I've seen bikes from the 70s still running same steel cylinder with no problem and the nikasel cylinder on newer bike be Fd up already.
I've been clamoring for more vintage engines on the tearbown bench for *ages*. Vega engine, Stovebolt Six, Ford 8BA, a straight 8, etc.
I'd absolutely love to see Eric's reactions to the insides of yesteryear's powerplants just in general. His comments about the poured babbitt rod bearings and the complicated clockwork of oil squirters that lubricated them in the Stovebolts, the valve cartridges in the ford flathead V8, the sheer length of the cam and crank in a straight eight...
...it'd also be an excuse for him to at least try to start one on the stand before tearing it down. These old engines, all points and carb, conceivably one could be started on the teardown stand. And I especially want to see that with the flathead Ford V8 because they will run with one cylinder head entirely missing!
A tasty hemi deconstruction after work. Life's good 👍
We like to see you win now and then Eric, otherwise there goes the business and, with it, the channel we all love. 😉
A Wednesday bonus video, love it, thanks!!
Ooh, the sneak peak at the end has Bosch K-Jetronic fuel injection! I love those systems!!
A birthday teardown? Let's go!!
I'm not a car guy, but I sure enjoy your vids!
Mid week teardown = hump day awesome sauce.
And something tells me the sneak peak is a rare find with a bad reputation. Don't want to give too much away. Lol
Love your videos bud
Outstanding video
I wait for the weekends but a mid week teardown is a bonus
thanks for the video, greeting from argentina
That one piston was singing some Depeche Mode clean the cleanest I've been since I was put in
I never knew that about the location of the heat tabs. I always figured they were placed in areas that would make tampering with them difficult.
What am I interesting teaser for those who start till the end!!!! That better be the next teardown!!!! Can say that Eric??🤔😄
Thank you Eric!👍