Making Hazard Cartridges with the Crossen Cartridge Molds

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  • čas přidán 24. 05. 2024
  • My review of the Crossen Hazard Powder Cake Molds for making reproduction Civil War eras Hazard revolver cartridges. I go through all the steps of making the cartridges using the Crossen molds.
    Information regarding Crossen products can be found here:
    crossen-cartridge.company.site
    Please visit my website for information about my Civil War revolver and carbine bullet molds: www.erasgonebullets.com
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Komentáře • 90

  • @crossencartridge6403
    @crossencartridge6403 Před měsícem +8

    Thanks Mark, when filling the molds each one needs to be weighed. I have changed the dextrin and water to 3 percent. 24 grains of powder, .72 grains of dextrin, and .72 grains of water for a total weight of 2.44 grains. After drying the weight will be about 24.72 grains.
    The PDF instructions have been updated with the new ratios and making batches of 6.

    • @wittsullivan8130
      @wittsullivan8130 Před měsícem

      Thank you so much for your work, Mr. Crossen. Now I have to get my printers up and running right so I can print your files to make cool stuff. :)

  • @robertstallard7836
    @robertstallard7836 Před měsícem +9

    Having made a few of these, you may find the following useful:
    1/ A thin brass rod works well for mixing, and also for tamping the mix down into the mould before compressing. There's less surface area for the mix to stick to.
    2/ For mixing, you can also smush the mix around in the flexible silicone bowl by pressing the sides together from the outside with your fingers. This distributes the water quite well in the mix. Then scrape every last bit out with the brass rod to get it all into the mould for weight consistency.
    3/ The amount of water used in the instructions works well for me, provided you mix it well. Using a wooden stirrer will soak up moisture, hence you might need more.
    4/ A woodworking clamp (the lever-activated type) works just as well as a reloading press.
    5/ Drying can be speeded up a bit by putting the filled moulds into a tupperware box with a layer of silica gel etc. in the bottom.
    6/ You really should dilute the nitrocellulose dope with acetone for painting the outside. The dry mix soaks up nitrocellulose quickly, so don't overdo it, and a couple of thin layers is better than one thick layer with undilted nitrocellulose. (I don't know about you, but I don't want too much nitrocellulose in a BP revolver - especially an original!).
    7/ Look for nitrocellulose guitar lacquer online. It's the same stuff as the fletching glue that Crossen recommends, and the aircraft dope Mark used, and is perhaps easier to source.
    8/ You don't really need to use 4F powder. I've made the revolver ones with Swiss 3F and also the huge .575 ones for the P53 Enfield using Swiss 1.5F. Just leave them longer to dry.
    9/ If you look up John Crossen's CZcams videos, he provides a link to download the 3d printing files for all the moulds and accessories for free.
    Hope that helps!

  • @earlwheelock7844
    @earlwheelock7844 Před měsícem +31

    When I was a small child ( in Dummerston VT. ) about 1952, I found a couple of the 44 size cartridges in the attic of the house we rented, after ALL THESE YEARS!!, I FINALLY found out what those " THINGS " were, I KNEW that they were some kind of cartridge, asked my dad what they were, HE didnt know either, ( firearms have been in my family since B4 the revolutionary war!!

    • @rexrodecolt
      @rexrodecolt Před měsícem +1

      That's too cool!!!

    • @dangeary2134
      @dangeary2134 Před měsícem +1

      So your family would actually have a voice in Congress when it comes to the Two Aye!

    • @earlwheelock7844
      @earlwheelock7844 Před měsícem +1

      @@dangeary2134 I dont think my family ever got into politics AT ALL!!, in fact my brother and I are the last of our brance of the Wheelocks.

    • @crossencartridge6403
      @crossencartridge6403 Před měsícem +1

      Someone from France commented on my channel finding some in a wall while doing a remodel. I think a lot these went into surplus after the American Civil War.

    • @CoreySimmons85
      @CoreySimmons85 Před měsícem +2

      The French also imported vast amounts of US civil war arms and ammo when they were losing the Franco Prussian war badly.

  • @joemolf3894
    @joemolf3894 Před 15 dny +2

    Thanks for another history lesson had no idea they made bullets that way. Also pointing out the weight difference between cakes not made using a scale was an eye opener! Thanks Mark

  • @bradleyjohnston6112
    @bradleyjohnston6112 Před měsícem +4

    If you want the final mixture 5% by weight it would be 90gr black powder, 5gr water, 5gr dextrin... doesnt seem like alot but it's a 10% differance and might be why you find you need to add more water...

  • @iskandartaib
    @iskandartaib Před 27 dny +4

    Ah... good old SIG nitrate dope. I suppose nitrocellulose "balsa cement" works too - Ambroid, SIGment or Duco brand. There's also nitrocellulose lacquer sold for finishing furniture. I wonder if replacing some of the water with, say, isopropyl alcohol wouldn't allow quicker drying. I suppose if you need more cartridges quicker you could buy multiple kits.. 😁 My inclination (being a 3D printing enthusiast) would be to design and print my own molds.

  • @rodiculous9464
    @rodiculous9464 Před 22 dny +5

    The forbidden vitamins

  • @user-um8tq1tz7m
    @user-um8tq1tz7m Před 27 dny +3

    I was forced to make these as foster kid when I turned 7 my family had been making bullets for hodgdon powder for years then they adopted me and three others after adopting 350 other kids I do not miss it one bit

    • @fasted8468
      @fasted8468 Před 20 dny

      Hope you're doing good foster care sucs

  • @user-rr3px6zq5w
    @user-rr3px6zq5w Před měsícem +6

    Ive been gluing pyrodex pellets to conicals for years

  • @cdarrinford
    @cdarrinford Před měsícem +1

    Thanks, Mark. I ordered a 44 kit after watching your video. I plan on using it with the Kerr mold I purchased from you!

  • @fredalbrecht986
    @fredalbrecht986 Před měsícem

    I would have never known about these w/o your video. Thank you so much. Pretty cool method I have to say. Will try it as soon as possible.

  • @Schlachtschule
    @Schlachtschule Před měsícem +2

    Great stuff, Mark! I bought the set, too, and am really looking forward to making some of these.

  • @gener-all5177
    @gener-all5177 Před 25 dny +1

    I was waiting for the final test 😢, that's a good idea. Best regards from Venezuela.

  • @snappers_antique_firearms
    @snappers_antique_firearms Před měsícem

    Now thats pretty cool mark. Definitely have to try this.

  • @Sideshowbobx
    @Sideshowbobx Před měsícem +4

    That silicon bowl is meant to be soft so that you can knit it between your fingers. Also mix with each ingredient as weight everything separately. Adding 30% ethanol to the water will reduce drying time but also increase the fire risks due to the fumes this will create.
    These molds are 3D printed, from PLA most likely nor to difficult to design in CAD software. There are a couple free designs as STLs out there to download as well. One just has to print up a bunch of these to go into micro mass production.
    Nitro glue is common with archery and other hobby applications, just google to find a local variety. Fume hazard applies here again.

    • @wittsullivan8130
      @wittsullivan8130 Před měsícem +1

      Mr. Crossen has an account with Prusa's Printables web site where you can download the files he uses to make the formers, along with some other useful files he's uploaded, for free. I gotta get off my butt to get my printers back up and running right so I can print a batch using PLA and a batch using PLA+ (or Pro) to see which one can handle the pressure better.

    • @Sideshowbobx
      @Sideshowbobx Před měsícem

      @@wittsullivan8130 I think I have seen them there then - I would use PLA+ in that case as PLA is more glass like brittle on its own. ABS, ASA or Nylon will superior yet but need housed prints. What went wrong with your printer?

  • @RidgeRunner-dn2gu
    @RidgeRunner-dn2gu Před měsícem

    Another great video!

  • @stephenfields6236
    @stephenfields6236 Před měsícem

    Excellent teaching video!

  • @GianmarioScotti
    @GianmarioScotti Před měsícem +4

    Very interesting. Just a note: you are not limited to 6 cartridges per 48 hours - given that the moulds are 3D printed, they are probably cheap as chips, so you could have a hundred of them and do a batch of 100 cartrdiges at a time.

    • @robertstallard7836
      @robertstallard7836 Před měsícem

      Very true. Mark bought the kit, though, that contains just six moulds plus the funnel etc, hence he's basing the video on that.

    • @wittsullivan8130
      @wittsullivan8130 Před měsícem +1

      Mr. Crossen has an account on Prusa's Printables web site that he links to in his videos. He has quite a few files to print a lot of neat tools you can use with paper cartridges and the Hazard style catridges, even templates to make cartridge boxes for them.

  • @maxasaurus3008
    @maxasaurus3008 Před měsícem

    Great video!

  • @markosterman419
    @markosterman419 Před měsícem +2

    Those of us who shoot wet collodion tintypes, ambrotypes and negatives use plain collodion all the time. It’s easy to buy.

  • @robertrobert7924
    @robertrobert7924 Před 19 dny

    I recently fired J&D flash paper + flash glue cartridges in my Uberti Whitneyville Dragoon that uses the Walker grip frame. The powder charge was 30 grains of 3F. They were very accurate at a rest to a 25 yard target and only shot about 6" high as opposed to 13" high for the same cartridge using round balls. Just wanted to let you know I am very pleased with the J&D .44 performance. Also,
    The revolver I used has a loading lever mouth that is factory made to fit conical bullets. FYI
    the nipples on the revolver prefer CCI #10 caps and I lubed the mouth of the cylinders with homemade
    beeswax, beef tallow, and Olive Oil lube.

  • @EastBayFlipper
    @EastBayFlipper Před měsícem +4

    I really enjoyed your video😃🙌
    To ensure consistency, carefully weigh the powder mix wet.
    Make one perfect finished weight cartridge so you know precisely how much you are adding to yield the perfect finished weight.
    Place the wet powder load into a cartridge case of your choice and tap the case on a hard surface at least 2x and mark the powder level inside and outside.
    Use a pipe cutter and cut the cartridge case to size and gig-up a handle for your new powder measue by volume.
    The mold is too short for a proper compression load and should be made of metal with a pipe sleeve that goes over it and a longer ram to compress the powder in the mold consistently but, it'll work.
    I'd contact the Uberti or another replica maker and ask for a worn out chamber boring / drilling tool because it's scrap to them however, pay for the shipping and any token charge because with it, you can make a perfect metal mold in brass😊
    I hope this is somewhat useful 🙂

    • @Wayne72LEVRAI
      @Wayne72LEVRAI Před měsícem +1

      From my experience, if the black powder is compressed to much you loose a lot of power (less velocity on the chronograph).

    • @EastBayFlipper
      @EastBayFlipper Před měsícem

      @@Wayne72LEVRAI I was thinking about the .303 black powder pellets and thinking about the same need to precision. 👍

  • @smartmeis
    @smartmeis Před měsícem +3

    duco cement and acetone is what i would prefer. just makes more sense too me, faster drying times and more ignittion

  • @P61guy61
    @P61guy61 Před měsícem +1

    Ha. Should be known as the sold out cartridge set hehehe. Must be popular. Thank you for posting.

  • @SB-qm5wg
    @SB-qm5wg Před měsícem +1

    Well, I didn't even know this was possible! Wow.

  • @MrOldclunker
    @MrOldclunker Před 27 dny +5

    I think I can come up with a mold that will work for my .50 muzzleloaders an save me a ton from pellets. Thanks

  • @KH2837
    @KH2837 Před měsícem

    These are cool!!

  • @wagon9082
    @wagon9082 Před 26 dny

    Good video

  • @kenibnanak5554
    @kenibnanak5554 Před měsícem +1

    Interesting.

  • @ericjohnson8001
    @ericjohnson8001 Před 18 dny +4

    Original case-less ammo?

  • @mangamaniaciam
    @mangamaniaciam Před měsícem

    Thank you sir for your video!! I've been working on rebuilding an Army San Marco 1851 Colt .36 caliber revolver for a few months now. I've been seriously interested in the various ways of loading my revolver before going to the firing range. I'll definitely be looking into this product you have shown us!!😁👍🇺🇲

  • @napalmholocaust9093
    @napalmholocaust9093 Před 28 dny

    Try old piano keys for the varnish. It is still around mixed in nail polish and some lacquer paints (copper conductive for sure).
    The fronts (not the top) of elephant keys is. Only the tops are b/c ivory soaks-up sweat, don't need that were the finger never goes. You'll know if it turns to slop in acetone. I used to put it on leather as dope to fill the pores with something besides oil and wax or tar. 💩 smells amazing after it dries.

  • @ronrobertson59
    @ronrobertson59 Před měsícem +3

    That's cool but too much work I can turn out 50 paper cartridges in the time.

  • @earlwheelock7844
    @earlwheelock7844 Před měsícem

    Cant waite to see how you load these and what kind of cylinder/chamber they require, and how they fit the chamber?

  • @fasted8468
    @fasted8468 Před 20 dny +1

    These would work for air pellet rifles. Before melting the barrel out

  • @2aguy594
    @2aguy594 Před měsícem +2

    Sam's Club has condiment cups that would be really good in stead of the Red cup.

  • @geneard639
    @geneard639 Před měsícem +1

    Nitrocellulose ...yeah, its been around a long time, also kind of explosive by itself when dried. Applied to cellulose/paper it becomes guncotton, which for a while was used to make billiard balls....until they went bang.

    • @josedorsaith5261
      @josedorsaith5261 Před měsícem +1

      Ping pong balls are made with that, aren't they?

    • @the_moxleygeistig1771
      @the_moxleygeistig1771 Před 29 dny

      i think, it was playing cards,

    • @napalmholocaust9093
      @napalmholocaust9093 Před 28 dny +1

      It varies, the amount of nitration. Low like billiard balls and piano keys are flammable but do not go bang. It is somewhat different from high flash cotton. There are several types and several grades inside each type.

  • @BasadoBasadowski
    @BasadoBasadowski Před 3 dny

    Do you think it's a good idea to make these charges for inline gear as well?? Between 45 and 80grains BP ? I tried firing a 31 grain sample just like that on a tile and it exploded with a pretty big bang. It seems too strong to me. Loose dust burns differently. I would hate to pull pieces of a rifle barrel out of my head :-) I have a Traditions Vortek Northwest Magnum rifle.

  • @jason60chev
    @jason60chev Před měsícem +2

    With percussion revolvers lingering well into the late 19th century and beyond, How long did Hazard produce these.....and what cartridge companies continues to produce paper Ctgs, into the post percussion era?

    • @robertstallard7836
      @robertstallard7836 Před měsícem +1

      Unfortunately, Colonel Hazard lived up to his name. In 1913 a massive explosion at the plant destroyed it and also did quite a bit of damage to Hazardville - the workers' town nearby.
      By that time, of course, percussion firearms were old hat, so I imagine they had ceased making these cartridges by then.

    • @wittsullivan8130
      @wittsullivan8130 Před měsícem

      From what I've read, some companies made combustible paper cartridges into the 30's because of the amount of cheap surplus percussion pistols from the Civil War, there were still a lot of surplus cartridges still around. Paying $12 (or less) for a percussion revolver compared to $30 or more for a cartridge gun made them popular for poor folk, especially during the Depression when people had to hunt for food and needed low-income self defense options. (I'm guessing at the actual prices, I'm not a 100 years old and too lazy to do the research)
      When a company designed a pistol, they wanted to sell the ammo, too, because it was more profitable, just like razor companies, except they didn't give away the pistol to sell you the cartridges. Some companies just made cartridges, like Johnston and Dow. The term "cap and ball" didn't become a thing until paper cartridges were no longer produced, forcing people to use loose powder, until Mr. Crossen and others went to work. :)

    • @crossencartridge6403
      @crossencartridge6403 Před měsícem

      Hazard only made sold compressed cartridges from 1862 to 1864

  • @douglaswoodard3412
    @douglaswoodard3412 Před měsícem +2

    i do wish you had finished with a firring still i like the vid

  • @Jagdtyger2A
    @Jagdtyger2A Před měsícem

    Instead of using water with the dextrin, couldn't you use a mix of alcohol and water to speed drying??

    • @Sideshowbobx
      @Sideshowbobx Před měsícem

      It will need water to fully dissolve and polymerize the Dextrin again, so only a fraction can be replaced with ethanol and it increase the fire risk while drying.

    • @robertstallard7836
      @robertstallard7836 Před měsícem

      John Crossen recommends this - more to break the surface tension of the water than for drying, though.

  • @pacman10182
    @pacman10182 Před měsícem +2

    needs a 22 cal version for daisy VL's

  • @deucedeuce1572
    @deucedeuce1572 Před 21 dnem +1

    I'm surprised nitrocellulose didn't make them too powerful. I thought that nitrocellulose would the the best choice, but I thought that it would burn too fast and cause far too high pressures... and second to that, I thought that nitrocellulose was invented long after these bullets were ever used. Were they some kind of bullet used after nitrocellulose, but before cartridges? (during that short period of time?)

    • @fasted8468
      @fasted8468 Před 20 dny

      Nitric acid was more expensive than nitrate salts I think 🤔

    • @deucedeuce1572
      @deucedeuce1572 Před 20 dny +1

      @@fasted8468 Yeah, they only needed to burn down a forest to produce a pound of potassium nitrate... but then they would have to then turn the potassium nitrate into nitric acid to be able to make nitrocellulose. I just didn't think nitrocellulose was invented until after cartridges were invented. I don't know for a fact though.

    • @deucedeuce1572
      @deucedeuce1572 Před 20 dny

      @@fasted8468 I googled it, but got like 4 different answers. Some say 1851, some say 1855, some say 1862 and some say 1863. Even Wikipedia's short answer says 1855 and 1862 in the same google result of "when was nitrocellulose invented". I have no idea when the skin cartridges and hazard cartridges were used though. (I thought I was replying to a comment on skin cartridges that I watched today... but then realized it was the Hazzard cartridges video. I guess it don't matter either way though.
      I just figured that with the nitrocellulose being used as an adhesive it would burn too fast and too powerful. When nitrocellulose was invented it couldn't be used as gunpowder, because it burned so fast it would blow up and gun they tried to use it in. They had to invent ways to slow down the combustion first.

    • @robertrobert7924
      @robertrobert7924 Před 19 dny

      Combustible paper cartridges were made using paper that was soaked in a combination of nitric + sulfuric acids during the Civil War Era. It is a dangerous process that should not be done at home. It was the same as modern flash paper. I make mine from flash paper and flash glue and they burn 100% clean without leaving any charred paper in the chambers. They also make 3F black powder burn cleaner. It is a totally different & superior process than soaking coffee filter papers in potassium nitrate and water which is basically an uninformed hoax seen in many YT videos.

    • @deucedeuce1572
      @deucedeuce1572 Před 19 dny

      @@robertrobert7924 Isn't nitrated paper the same as nitrocellulose? ...and if it is nitrocellulose, isn't it too powerful for a black powder rifle? Even a small amount of nitrocellulose can create too much pressure for a black powder gun... and mixing that with black powder, especially surrounding the black powder, because it can cause the black powder to burn much faster too (by igniting it all at once). I know nitrocellulose isn't always the best quality and poor quality nitrocellulose would work... but I wonder if anyone ever made too high quality nitrocellulose and blew up their gun on accident.

  • @knowsbetter1
    @knowsbetter1 Před měsícem +1

    Pretty cool but looks fragile and long time to make. I'll stick with my "Club" paper cartridges

    • @wittsullivan8130
      @wittsullivan8130 Před měsícem

      Mr. Crossen shows off an original cartridge in one of his videos. he's got it in a plastic capsule, but it's held up for 150 years+ so far. :)

  • @davinci3259
    @davinci3259 Před měsícem +3

    Those sold out quick.

    • @robertstallard7836
      @robertstallard7836 Před měsícem +2

      If you look up John Crossen's CZcams videos, he provides a link to download the 3d printing files for all the moulds and accessories for free.

    • @davinci3259
      @davinci3259 Před měsícem +1

      @@robertstallard7836 I don't have a 3d printer set up to print them. I was just curious about the price so looked it up.

    • @Clogmonger
      @Clogmonger Před měsícem

      @@davinci3259pretty sure you can take those plans and upload them to a 3d printing site and order it as a custom order. Shouldn't cost an arm and a leg these days either.

  • @NemoVir
    @NemoVir Před měsícem +5

    Too bad that Crossen always appears to be out of stock.

    • @charlesehmke8403
      @charlesehmke8403 Před měsícem

      takes a while to 3d print.

    • @robertstallard7836
      @robertstallard7836 Před měsícem +1

      If you look up John Crossen's CZcams videos, he provides a link to download the 3d printing files for all the moulds and accessories for free.

  • @TayloresFish
    @TayloresFish Před měsícem +4

    hell yeah 110% powder mixture lol
    should be 90g of powder to get the right mixture.

    • @fasted8468
      @fasted8468 Před 20 dny

      I read this at exactly the right moment

    • @fasted8468
      @fasted8468 Před 20 dny +2

      Also explains why he needs " 6 or 7 percent water"

    • @kledus420smith8
      @kledus420smith8 Před 7 dny

      Good boom boom ​@@fasted8468

  • @drmachinewerke1
    @drmachinewerke1 Před měsícem

    Appears to be neat but to slow for me .
    Darn looking at the vid at 11:00
    Why not just a 3D " ice cube type " tray you fill and let dry . Place a tooth pick in each cavity for removal .

  • @peterwright217
    @peterwright217 Před měsícem

    ah, black powder and electric scale?????

    • @usnchief1339
      @usnchief1339 Před měsícem +1

      Yeah I know! Did you see the sparks flying out of that scale. In all seriousness, at least use a scoop and not pure from the can.