VW e-Up 36.8 kWh winter range test
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“Red sky means blood has been shed, or someone is rapidgating!” -bjorn 2020
England "red sky at night, shepherds delight" meaning the morning weather will be clear.
@9:37 it's amazing that the car is only 20kg more than the older version, but the battery pack is twice the capacity! Wow! 😊👍
You should definitely test the headlights on every car. For me it is an important factor.
we need more Wax ON Wax OFF!!
True. As an example the headlights on the BMW i3s are really good, on the Tesla M3 not so much..
@@simonshusse Really?? I had an i3 and the LED headlamps were terrible but now I have the M3LR and they are awesome - but the cars were RHD so maybe that's the difference.
Steve Congrave Or perhaps difference in trim level? I ticked all the boxes on the I3s. Had to pace myself on the Tesla though. :)
I'm in a ICE rental... headlights are crap, high beams not even close to low beams on Model 3.
You are the most productive EV blogger out there. Keep it on!
I think he is the inventor of EV blogging
Small electric cars like these are what we need to combat climate change. Good on VW for updating it with a decent battery-pack!
If we stop burning coal and use renewables then yes.
Yeah, decent city car but expensive! Skoda citigo ev looks like a really good deal! its basically the same but at a lower price. With government incentives and solid price I think change is finally starting in Europe... There`ll be new Dacia EV soon so thats also great... If only VW would stop messing around with id3 and start delivering in Golf price range!(25-35k eur)
@@sanjinred Price of solar panels is really dropping fast! 360w is now under $70 - that`s amazing! We need more solar panels with charging stations, its not expensive anymore and it will be even cheaper...
@@DG-uv3zw It is still cheaper than the same sized replacement battery for VW e-Golf.
sanjinred Despite living in the oil capital of Europe, nearly all of Aberdeens electric is generated by renewables and Scotland’s as a whole electricity is mostly renewable or Nuclear. All the coal power stations were shut down. Gas Power stations are only used to fill in for when the nuclear is shut down and/or the lack of wind.. which is fairly rare in Scotland. Tidal about to start contributing our power mix in the next year. It is happening and is possible!
YES! Have been waiting for this test. This might be our 2nd car when my Renault Zoe lease ends in 5 months! :) Will watch this during lunch now :D Thank you Björn! :D
You are by far my favorite Thai Norwegian youtuber
I really appreciate your test! I have a daily way to Work (round trip) of 100 Kilometers and now i know, that my new VW E-UP will do it easily.
Finally the test we have waited for so long!
Love the e-Up!
Thank you so much for testing the new e-UP! BR, Per
😊 Nice and thorough test Bjørn! 👍 I am waiting for the delivery of my Citigo iv and this video confirmed many of my assumptions. Thanks!
The VW logo is different, it’s the new one. ;-)
It's the old one.
Kelly CC No it isn‘t. You can clearly see that on the trunk lit (01:22). The „W“ of the logo is not connected to the outer ring and the lines are drawn thinner.
"the battery SCHTATUS so far...." :D
“Shhhtatuus” and “shhhhheeeeiiit” are his favorite words. Lol.
yes, and Kilowattschtunden!
Schmutzisch!
@@fields1 Achtung, das schnelle Elektroauto!
AND „WHAT-THE-HACK“....
I have been having VW e-UP already for three years. It can run for about 150km at winter and twice of this at summer. The car has one annoying setting, which cannot be altered without adapating the firmware, as it was said by the dealer workshop. The default temperature is +22 degrees. This is far too high, I would prefer to have +18 only. Each time I get inside I have to press DOWN button to reduce the T.
Funny!🤣👍 Mini Electric has even smaller battery pack...hmm..hope you can come over it and do the same test with Mini.! Really fun and thanks for a nice review again!👍
not really....at 15:30 it turns out to be 29kWh....much lower than the 36 kWh specified......okay its not summer but these temperatures is also not winter.....
I've been waiting for this video :-)
Thank you for this test. I'm waiting for my Citigo IV, so this was a helpful video.
☺️ Waiting also for the Citigo. Should arrive in July. So easy decision because VW was so expensive hehe
@@finvka1 Nice to hear. I'll get mine sometime in mars.
Great city car!
I love your humor haha... the red sky, LoTR references... batterySTAHtus
Amazing car. Amazing price. I want this one.
That is one heavy Up!
Thanks for the video. Ordered the Seat Mii electric in November and I can't wait to drive it. Seat Mii electric, Skoda Citygo and VW e-up are nearly the same. Advantage of the seat is, that you have Seat Connect for 10 years for free.
@@rocketman4315 With seat connect you can remotly connect to your car with your smartphone. So you can see on your phone if the car is fully loaded, or preheat your car, and much more.
@Hanneskitz Lucky you! I got only 3 years of We Connect with e-Up!
@@Svihak177 ☺️ On my Citigo it is also three yrs free. Great additional value for the already cheap Mii. But for me, the Mii had too long waiting list (21 months). So I bought Citigo
@@finvka1 The delivery times are getting outrageous... VW should make something about it when they want to have so many models in portfolio by 2025. They told me the waiting time will be like 5 months, so I hope to be reasonable. The worst about it is that I live 30min drive from the factory producing them, seing all those shipped cars and still waiting for mine.. :)
@Bjørn Nyland To my knowledge, Li-ion battery are affected by low temperature in two ways: Available Capacity (as you said in the video) for about 2% between 25 and 0 °C, but also their internal resistance will go up (x2 between 25 and 0 °C) Rough calculation leads to 1kWh of heat loss increase between 25 and 0 °C for this car. (I.R. of li ion goes up from 100 to 200 mOhms). The combinaison of these 2 factors could explain the 3 kWh that are missing.
I like it that the infotainment is done via phone. You anyways have a phone with you so why have something build in?
I would like to see that in more cars. Absolutely perfect.
☺️ Yep. I have the same already in my petrol Skoda Citigo and the same is in our newly ordered Citigo iv. Very handy.
@@finvka1 do you have to connect it every time with cable or is the cable just for charging? I'd find it very fiddly if for short trips you have to connect it every time...
I think the difference in Kilometers is also related to the difference in speed between the GPS and the speed displayed in the gauge cluster... usually, if one is wrong the other may be wrong as well, depending on how they decided to measure these values
Maybe 3kWh (29>32) of capacity is coming back when you hammer it on 1000km challenge? :P
Bjorn,
thanks for this, your the only trustworthy advice on FB for EV cars i think mate.
About to ditch my ancient X-trail T-30 (i love manual trans 4wd) fossil mostly A to B to work but I'm in OZ and want to go to friends house 300 ks and 6 water crossings.
So what is also of very much interest to me is fording ability. Depth in water really interesting stuff especially if you gt stuck in watery mud and your bank is 500 volts. I think I know why Toymoter stopped testing that Highlander EV here.
Born is doing as many cars as he can before the ionity update
Good vid Bjorn.
Hey you could use a normal handheld hiking GPS (Garmin etc) to monitor your distance, speed, altitude etc to check if the car odometer and speed is correct.
Keep up the good work mister
Great car
Thumbs up for additional 120 km/h test.
Be aware that in the e-golf at least the autosteer will pull significant amounts of energy pushing the actuators to turn the wheels. My e-up doesn't have it so I don't know how it is in this one! I think it bugs and steers all the time instead of keeping an even ride in the old e-golf.
Nice test! Is it possible to view your complete excel sheet with all ranges etc.? thx!
Now is the perfect time to redo your testing on the e-up and find out if there is a rapidgate or not
Hypermiling like 400km in the city in the summer? The weight helps there.
I like the basic conventional interior design of this car :)
Yes lovely, even more interested in the skoda citigo, basically the same vehicle with a lower price:) We need more affordable little cars for city use.
From my experience of driving a similar car, you can get 3-5% more mileage if switch off the A/C, even in winter.
It looks like it has heated windscreen also 👍good city car
It has but you have to pay for that. Its not standard.
Thank you! Now I have an idea what to expect from my Citigo 😀👍
😀 Same here. Waiting for delivery in July
@@rocketman4315 Kiwi green 😁
Very good car. Very inexpensive city commute car. Enough for most people.
in Croatia with subsidies this car will cost you the same as the petrol 1.0 up ~11k EUR, makes it a no brainer.
@@Jukonja mislis da vrijedi te novce?
@@Juice-vb6ln yes of course it's worth the money (let's keep it in english). comes with 8yr/160kkm battery warranty, but unlike tesla you still have to visit the dealer once a year and pay "regular maintenance" to keep the warranty, they do say you don't change any oil or filters. bummer is you are an early adopter and the whole battery pack costs 75% of the original value of the car (although failed modules can be exchanged individually).
A view that will be very familiar at Ionity from now on...
Very good video in italy you can buy at 6k€ with governament fees
I like the the normal fossil car looks in an electric car like this and e golf
Thank you, great consumer information! (looking for a EV for fiance)
Wow better range than the eGolf 👍
Which one the 24.2kwh or the 35.8 kwh?
The rims on the old e-up one look much better, also the "grill" taillights and back reflectors are different.
We want Geilo test :D
Thanks for the test, when is the 1000km challenge coming with this car? 😂
Oh god, hope he's not doing it, that sounds insane with this charging speed
This would be too long! Poor uncle bjorn...
@@mojohn2154 like I kinda did it with the old one, drove 1100km in one day, but had like 5 hours break in the middle.
It should be faster than eGolf though, bc of lower consumption, equal charging speed, but it would be better to drive with 8- 10C weather. 120km/h round trip consumption in 20C Greece weather was 155wh/km on tedo nash channel. So big temp difference.
If you have a business in Germany/NRW you can have a leasing deal for the triplets for only 58€ a month!!
what about netherlands...? :(
Wow.. that is really low.. in Sweden its 274€/month for 10000km/year.. 288€ for 15000km/year.. Are you sure that leasing deal is for the electric version??? I guess we are talking about the VW e-up now? :D
In the netherlands you can private lease the seat mii electric for €229 a month
Quicksylver G True. But only in NRW. Seems to be you’ll get there a special subvention.
@@taztaz79 Yes Seat Mii Electric.. it works because 2000€ federal incentive and 4000€ state incentive...
I saw Seat Mii for 54€, Citigo 58€, Up slightly more expensive @10.000 kilometres a year.
Private lease is around 130€ a month for the Mii here
Your German is actually pretty good :)
Having owned an 2013 fossil up! it’s quite an improvement in the interior, also it’s a little embarrassing how the haven’t adapted anything really to make this a real ev.
Also it was fun upgrading from up! to Model 3, I was stunned by the simplest things. :D
i learned red sky at night, sailors delight.
red sky in moring, sailors take warning.
Must be some viking folklore. Slaying dragons and such.
Sound like somebody got a STD.
Red sky at lunchtime, sailors house on fire.
What are you like with the 'wax on, wax off'! 😂 I definitely think that the e-Up! is a great little car for getting about town and perhaps to and from work. Not a long distance car. Excitedly waiting for the ID3.
Would it be possible that the distance error is due to the added distance driven to weigh the car ? Or do you do that before starting ?
Thank you for the videos !
Now you should race it against Smart ForFour EQ
Bratwurstwagen for the win!
Bratwurst on a electric grill
In this case it's more of a Bratwürstchen.
No its currywurst:
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@@-Harry- No no no no. Currywurst will be the first German Tesla.
This should be Mettbrötchen.
Noticed that when fully charged & driving my Seat Mii Electric (same as VW eUp) in B mode it has NO regenerative braking at all. It is a bit disconcerting when you are expecting one pedal driving to be operating as normal. It would not be unreasonable to expect an instrument panel warning message to indicate no regen braking.
I have a little Kia like this in Korea. Same basic shape and small wheels. I bought it for 13 million won.
No electric cars available in the same price / range / hwy speed are available yet.
looking forward to the future of zero carbon electric cars
WoW double range than first eup i got!
Pretty much double the battery and not that much heavier.
Rumor goes around that Bjørn is still waiting to try high beam lights, because more cars coming
Me when i saw the Automatic shifter. 🤮
Me after realizing there are no gears to shift in. 🚗💨😅👌🏻✨
I hate that the Seat Mii EV does not show charge speed in kW, only in time remaining. Doesn't show battery as a percentage, only a 10 bar block on the app, and an analog gauge on the drivers instrument display.
Tiny wheels are the best!!!
Good👍👍👍👍
Can you charge the e-up a 2. time please? Maybe the batterie wars cold.
I was test driving the old e-up, considered ordering the new model with bigger battery as my 2012 Leaf doesn`t have the best range compared to the newer models coming out now. The car had a great price! But it feels really cheap and only 4 seater. Also the trunk was a bit too small even tho I usually drive alone.
I`m considering a used Ioniq or an e-golf FL instead.
e-golf is really bad. ioniq is much more efficient and charges fast(old ioniq)
But e-golf has multi-link rear suspension, heated windshield, better full led headlight etc etc
@@JPetr94 ☺️ At least here in Finland, Skoda Citigo iv has heated windscreen also as standard. VW e-Up only as option.
@@finvka1 are you sure about that? According to the Finnish price list it is not even a purchasable option on the base trim (ambition). It is included in the higher (style) trim. Seat Mii has the heated windscreen as standard on the base model in Finland.
@11:36 - 11:40 - Are there any Oscars for comedians? NOMINATED!!!
THAT made my day. 2 mins of lmao...
I guess the wheels made the difference in distance measurement, possibly consumption as well. These ones come from fossil Up!. The original ones are 165-65/R15. These ones were 175-65/R14. But anyway, great little car for commuters. I ordered one, getting it in about 5 months. We had discount from VW, state subsidy, so it was under 10k€ incl. taxes. Unbeatable value by any EV. :)
Thats a good deal. In Sweden they cost twice that amount after the subsidy. It's like VW doesn't want to sell these cars in Sweden.
@@steamboy77 Most of the price off was the state subsidy. VW gave only part of the discount.
The color is called mustard yellow.
Thank you for your test Bjørn. As good as every time. I can´t wait to get mine in April. Now I know that it is no problem to drive home with one stop from Wolfsburg, if I go with 90 - 100 km/h. I drive mostly in city and sourrounding, where the range is enough. And if I drive longer distances this will be also possible. Gutes Deutsch: "Kilowattstunden", "Batteriestatus", "Nein" :-) +1
Where can I find the tables with the data?
I'd also be interested to know what the consumption is like at 100 km/h and 110 km/h.
0:50 so small car but still did not fit in parking spot ;-)
Ionity electron alignment needs to be just right.
At 15:20 what charge rate were you getting? It only seemed to be about 11kw on the first charge... thanks
I don't think the e-Up has got LFA (Lane Following Assist), what you tested was just LKA (Lane Keeping Assist).
Exactly.
@@bjornnyland whats the difference?
@@PuppanSweden one keeps you in lane. The other one only notify you that you're going out of your lane.
I would have watched this video only for the two Taycans charging, if I knew it in advance.
Does it not make sense that the odometer would be off by same percentage as the speedometer?
What do you think if outdoor temp is below -30 C, how new e-UP can handle if outdoor temp is so cold?
I love this car. I wish they sold it in America.
Gordon Chaffin Marketing people learned, that people in the US want to own monstrous large cars 😆 So it would be a shame to offer this car, which could drive underneath of fossile SUVs.
Not true. I love my model 3, but I have 100% charge on my M3 and used 54kWH with 5 KMS left. So yes, the Model 3 locks capacity away in winter too. Sorry about that. Tesla SC here in Canada confirmed this.
You didn't measure it correctly.
@@bjornnyland well I have a picture to prove it. And Tesla SC told me the threshold in winter weather can be as high as 24 kwh, and the temperature threshold for it has been lowered recently, yes it's indeed true. Talk to your Tesla SC to confirm. I am not saying it's a bad thing, I will always take longevity over battery range, but it's not correct to say that Tesla is not banking capacity in winter. It makes total sense and I don't understand why people think it's a bad thing. In fact I would have a worse opinion of Tesla if they didn't. It's smart and good for long term ownership, which I plan to do.
Did you calculate based on consumption at a constant 90km/hr or just what the trip told you?
@@CoolSilver based on what the screen told me in terms of total KMS driven and KWH used. 53kWH used to drive 323 KMS. I had about 5 or 6 kms left. I took it to Tesla the next day to ask. I was just curious. I was doing a constant 110km/h. Temp was set to 17.5 degrees and fan speed was 1. My mom has arthritis so I didn't want her to be in pain. But Tesla told me it's normal now with the changes they have made. Again, not complaining. I think it's a great idea to set capacity aside in extreme cold for longevity. My issue was that saying the Teslas don't do it is not correct. They do and there is nothing wrong with that.
Would you recommend to buy a used model of the Up or the Golf with the bigger battery pack?
Thanks for the video.
Es kommt auf dein Fahrprofil an. Wir haben beide. Ich finde den e up besser, effizienter und dadurch mehr Reichweite. Wenn du mehr Platz brauchst, ausschließlich ccs lädst den Golf
Since you're not suppose to charge up to 100% for your everyday use, do you have to set the limit (like 80-90%) from your home charger? Or is there any way of restricting that from the car before you set it up for charging over night?
this is an intresting point. meaby it is possible to plan the charging
@@marcopino332 yes there is, via the app. There are even the off-peak hours configurable, temperature preconditioning... Pretty much all the standard smart setting of an modern EV.
I'm waiting for the seat mii electric, as its going to be the same car for a cheaper price
Got it?
@teslabjorn live hey I am interested in buying a wii/up/citigo for my work way which is 150km in total. Would you rate them as a good car for me, even in winter?
Greets
I'm guessing this is representative for the Seat Mii electric too. Any plans to do a comparison?
Nope. More or less the same car.
@@bjornnyland Thats what I figured. Thanks :)
In February/March you get the Seat mii for 14-15 k at www.Carwow.de in Germany. (Current state: 4230€ subvention; 6000€ sub. Incoming)
Leasing starts at 149€ for private leasing(10000km and 36months) and company wise in nrw 55€.
Only 29 kWh capacity due to the cold. The electrolyt liquid inside gets „harder“. Inner resistence is increased. Iones between anode and kathode flow far way slower.
😁👍🏻
Do the guys running Ionity watch your videos??? Line-up for the less expensive stations while all the Ionity chargers sit unused. Wow!!
The usable capacity of the old E-UP was correct 18.7 KWh, but the usable capacity of the new E-UP is only 32, X KWh
No, total capacity of e-Up was 18.7 kWh. Usable capacity was measured to 15.5 kWh.
@@bjornnyland exactly 🤗
@@bjornnyland The only strange thing is that I drove about 130 km with a consumption of 14 KW/100km. This means arithmetically 18.2 KWh. The battery was not empty. Very incomprehensible, I've been driving the car for 3 years. That there are now only 15, X KWh usable battery size.
It you drive 3hr with 1kW heater on that also makes sense that 3kWh is "missing"
Heater is counted in the trip meter.
Sheeeeeeiit
Cool Video, but what do you mean by "wax on, way off" at the high beam test at the end?
"Wax on, wax off" is a reference from the 80s movie "Karate kid".
@@trondedvardsen interesting, but what does it mean?
Delivery time is 10 months for the Mii...
Stuttgart 6 for the VW in Austria
☺️ Here in Finland, Mii 21 months, VW 5 months, Citigo 6 months. I am waiting for the Citigo that I ordered after Christmas
E den forskjellig med Golf EV?
Why VW makes the rear door windows like a coupe???
What's the charging speed between 10-ish % and 80 %? I hope higher than 11 kW in the last 20 % 😀
Officially up to 40 kw
Same charging curve as e Golf, it's the same BMS, same battery. (Google "Fastned eGolf" for a graph of the curve). Because of the re-use of this design the car is so "affordable". But as eGolf, battery has to be warm, but will also rapid gate (a little) if it gets to hot, but only at the 3rd or 4th in a row fast charge (which is way more then you should even drive non stop in this car), depending on speed and weather of course.
Do they sell this in yorkshire ?
That’s the other car (than the zoe) that I was interested in to replace Christine’s VW Up, but she wants to stay petrol.
Don’t you think it’s strange that all tyres are measured in inches even in Europe ?
I heard it has no heat pump. Just like Seat and Skoda
5:20
@@bjornnyland ah, there you go :-)
VW might have listed gross capacity or it might be cold