Jordan Peterson: Carl Jung's Intelligence was "bloody terrifying"
Vložit
- čas přidán 26. 07. 2017
- Not only how smart he was, but how he was able to process information - semantically and visually both simultaneously...
***********************************************************************
Ramble's Books to Read Before You Die, Part 1(August)
1. "If you want to induce an existential crisis", click amzn.to/2wEnBe1
2. "If you want to experience PTSD, without actually having PTSD", click amzn.to/2hg4CRg
3. "Alternate Title: 'How to Take Over the World'", click amzn.to/2xjr455
***********************************************************************
This is a clip cut from the original full video "Biblical Series VIII: The Phenomenology of the Divine", which can be found on Jordan Peterson's channel. Original lecture date 7/27/17.
Jordan Bernt Peterson (born June 12, 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist, cultural critic and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. His main areas of study are the psychology of religious and ideological belief, and the assessment and improvement of personality and performance. He authored Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief in 1999.
Disclaimers:
This video is quoted under Fair Use for educational purposes. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Jung is the Jordan Peterson of Jordan Peterson
I love JP but CJ is in a class of his own...
Hahahahahah epic
@@mrtambourineman6107 Do you mean the guy from San Andreas?
@@Jason-eo1rh the guy from Switzerland bruh
Carl Johnson
Peterson: *fangirls about Jung for 4 minutes straight*
He is almost as bad as you. I am looking for a man who does not use words like "skank" and does not think of being faithful to one woman as being a "bottom." Also. I have the hangover I deserve.
@Varsha Danduri Yes I was.
There's no need for the deleted comments to know what happened here.
@@fredrickmiller6534You don't know the half of it.
coreycox2345 r/iamverysmart
I've read only one Nietzsche book (never mind Carl Jung) and that thing sent me into existential shock for weeks. You really need to be in the full of your health for a lot of this stuff.
Whatever you read, better check who translated. Nietzsche's writings (i read them all as a native speaker) were rather ordinary and therefore your reaction is a bit suspicious.
Hans-Joachim Bierwirth Maybe. But maybe you didnt integrate it or got the complex of society-yourself-the book enough? Is that possible?
I guess, the society observed and commented by Nietzsche is very different to the anglosphere while very familiar to me. Since i've read all of his works maybe i got familiar with his point of view through his comments first and then had an easier approach to his prosa.
Which book...?
Hans-Joachim Bierwirth You’re so full of shit your eyes are brown.
I prefer pop up books with tabs you can pull to make the charecters move.
It's In these respects, i find Jung's work to be lacking.
Johnny Reb You need to get the Jungian coloring books!
hi larious
*Johnny Reb* LOVE it!!!!
@Johnny Reb: Re your " ... Jung's works lack the detailed clarity of pull-the-tab-to-animate pop-up classics..."
A fine analysis of Jungian literature.
BTW, do you happen by any chance to know the acronym for "Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Fractured Arm Off"?
If you'd be so kind as to enlighten me ... ?
Thank you.
HC-JAIPUR
Funniest thing I read today bro LMAO
Dude was thinking in memes.
Jung understood memes so well he had dreams about World War 1 happening before it actually kicked off. A couple of years before.
HAHA
@jambolee75 562 and kekistan is something that fascinates even Jordan Peterson. He speaks on it in a rather excited tone on the Joe Rogan podcast.
Of that time
Of his time.
The more I watch Jordan Peterson, the more I'm convinced I *_need_* to read Jung.
Good luck it is preety hard to grasp if you dont understand terminology that he is using..Its like another language.
@@aleksandarzix2263 what
@David miorgan thanks a lot i was looking for someone to point the way towards jung
@@vladpaval9379 read Undiscovered Self and Man and his Symbols. They are meant to be more for general audience and not written so much in psychiatry language.
And Nietzsche
Jordan Peterson talking about his senpai for four minutes.
your alias is awkward and self degrading
More like some sensei
*our senpai
@@gustavosmith3980 what
He is now Assistant Sensei
I think in family guy flashback animations
Lmaooo stopp
Same but mine has ed edd and eddy style of art for some reason
Whoa, whoa, whoa .... Louis this isn't my Batman glass
Should be top comment fs
"Visionary is Scary"
- JBP, but also Eminem
Maybe, but who is jbp and eminem
@@kushalsb460 huh?
Kushal Bastakoti Jordan B Peterson and Eminem, a rapper, respectively.
"Visionary, vision is scary"
Deepintothemurkywatersoftheunderworld Could start a revolution, pollutin’ the airwaves...
A rare personality. Someone who accepts his weaknesses, embrase them and accepts others genious
you couldn't be more wrong. He was applauding the nazis.
@@kaivogel253 bot
@@aeternavictrix7861 yes totally. 10110 that's "you dropped your nose, you clown" in "computer" ;)
@@kaivogel253 you just said he applauded nazis, bots or brainwashed is the only answer
@@kaivogel253 If you switched "nazis" for jews your comment would have the same value
Really makes you think
Jung "Man & His Symbols" was a life changing book for me. Highly Recommended.
Peterson is dead on. Whether you agree with Jung or not, his intelligence and erudition is just off the charts. Agreeing with someone's worldview is separate from recognizing and respecting their genius.
Jung was one of those minds that only comes around every few hundred years or so - Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin, Newton, Einstein, Jung.. like that.
Whoever puts Einstein in a list with malevolent idiots like Calvin should have got drowned immidiately at birth!
Why would you lump Newton and Einstein who did real science with Jung and Aristotle who simply wrote tons of information without any evidence... Today we know a lot of what they wrote is wrong... It might be interesting and creative but it's not scientifically accurate...
Kevin Vail pseud alert
Hans-Joachim Bierwirth What about Da Vinci? :(
@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 You've obviously never read Calvin because your religious insecurities have confined your literary exploration.
Lmao “he’s so damn smart he can think of answers to questions you never even... it’s not like you don’t understand the answers it’s like you never conceptualize the damn question.” 😂😂
This was great.
But verbose. Peterson was trying to avoid the obvious cliche: He can think of answers to questions you couldn't think of" Throw a few fat words in there and suddenly everyone is going...Wow.
TomG Gabin no. He was about to say [his answers are ones you couldn’t understand], but he believes it to be even more unfathomable that you wouldn’t even think of the question he is answering. But good try I guess
@@tomggabin5838 you thought you did something 🤦♂️
He's just saying the man was on another level completely.
If you are a strict materialist/reductionist and think that ONE element may cause ONE effect, then Jung is not your man. If you consciously choose to truncate your perception by confining your reasoning through the scientific method exclusively, then Jung is not your man. However, if you do not fear expanding your consciousness and leaving the emotional comfort zone of the material world with the really frightening possibility of a supernatural experience, then study Jung !
completely agree. saw way too many closed-minded comments in here, that I believe don't really understand what even "scientific method" is - the scientific method needs to be continuously scrutinized as well for falsities and fallacies, as otherwise, it becomes doctrine (as it kind of already did to a lot of people). so the whole argument of "is not scientifically accurate" sees science itself as a wholly correct package of ideas - and thus stops being genuine "science"
Remember the episode Homer Simpson is looking up to Edison, only to discover that Edison himself was looking up to Da Vinci?
That's what I'm feeling now.
Read also Psychology and Alchemy from Jung. He goes into the symbol of the hermes trismegistos :)
it's nice that you're looking up to Peterson. So you want to be a pathetic charlatan too one day? :D
@@kaivogel253 what's the other option? Being a pathetic hater on CZcams's comments section?
@@darkpotato8622 nah, just raising you guys' blood pressure for criticizing your prophet til your heads explode :* you're welcome
@@kaivogel253 🤣🤣🤣
Trolls are welcome
Having the hunger to gain more knowledge to be become wise is the sign of a true genius.
Thanks ?
What does it matter if we are all slowly marching to our deaths
@@DrYeyo06 Idiot. Because there are a lot of things you can make better by being smarter between the moment you become smarter and you die. Not like if you die just as you become smart
Jung's claim of eternal universal meanings to be transcend entities determining all minds and cultures are an attempt to reduce information, avoid learning and replace knowledge with assumptions, which is what Jordan Peterson does who uses Jung's methods to pull unsusbtantiated claims out of his own arse and Jung's ideas to justify them regardless of the questeion whether those assumptions are true or false. All of his claims are demonstrably false, and that is only natural given what his sources are: his arse. Only exceptionally stupid idiots expect to find truths in baseless assumptions like Peterson does.
If you want to be as smart as Jung, maybe you should...
Read More
Deep Think
Wow
Dude, I just read the most genius comment
You dick 😂, you got me!
Tf i clicked it thrice lol
You tricked me and now I feel like even reading won't help me anymore
Damn... to hear Jordan Peterson speak about someone with so much prowess makes me know with absolute certainty that I have so much to learn.
How much have you learned since you made this comment?
@@aspennanderson4956 and how much have you learned since you made this comment?
As far as Jung being an introvert, well, highly intelligent people almost always are, or at least perceived to be, since they tend to have few friends and enjoy engaging in lengthy periods of solitary rumination.
Ted Logan would you put it like that it doesn’t sound that bad...
intelligence is subjective
@@default2826 technically it's not precise though , the measurement of something to an exact number or degree is impossible in the fact that the conceptualized mathematics related is based off premises in numerical terms or patterns and chunks of data. In all reality mathematics is basing knowledge off of what's been obtained with set guidelines that limit it's own growth. To determine someone's IQ after a certain degree (160+) would almost be impossible due to the fact there is knowledgeable information outside of the spectrum of knowledge which our DNA stores. Even our "soul" holds the key to everything. Traumatic experiences if pushed threw is a way to grow exponentially intellectually. You learn to take everything as a learning process with significantly greater responsibility and accountability.
Intelligence is like dirt but we tend to throw seeds in randomly and blame the dirt if the plant doesn't grow.
lrn2farm, measure the nutrients and don't block out the sun. It's not that complicated.
It's not objective, although it may be measurable. The reason I say it's not objective is take for instance people with very high IQ's seem to be disabled in someways, like socially for instance. Isn't having social skills a form of intelligence? ... Edit: I guess it's not that intelligence is SUBJECTIVE, or based on opinion (although debatable). I'd say more truthfully intelligence is varied and has multiple components - depends on whatever given situation you're in and how you're capable of handling it.
JP introduced me to the world of Jung. I am so unbelievably grateful for that.
Big Jung fan. One of the greats that school taught me NOTHING about for obvious reasons.
Which of his work should I start reading? Any advice?
Yes. Cause it's all *_lacking of evidence_*
Or would you like to see EVERY idea taught in school, GammaCatch? And, if so: at the cost of time spend on which evidence based knowledge?
I learned about Jung in school... Am tremendously grateful for it now...
@@BorisNoiseChannel exactly... We know so much of it is flat-out wrong... He believed in astrology psychic powers and Alchemy... he might have been creative and interesting but it certainly wasn't scientifically accurate... good point about limited time and resources demanding attention to evidence
Materialist science has its place in pharmacology and modeling for design interfaces. Jung has his place for a psychological approach that takes in a holistic relationship with mind body and world. This is a very helpful map for people who do see themselves as a being in the world that contains certain alchemical relations that to them bring more order to their perceptual map. It follows a mythic narrative what mythic narrative does materialist language have to offer the clinicians or the patients.
I love how he defines Nietzsche as terrifying, cause so damn true
He's right. There is a 1950s BBC TV interview with Jung in which you can see the intelligence gleaming in his eyes, particularly when he is listening intently to the interviewer.
this makes me feel dumb, cuz when I close my eyes I just see the back of my eyelids.
😂😂😂😂😂
There's actually a mental condition that makes you unable to mentally visualize.
@@aramkaizer7903 anphantasia I believe
His wife is much more visual than him? Comparing the interior decor from the podcasts he does from his house, versus the podcasts he does from his office, that's not difficult to believe.
Great ideas, inspiration come from beyond the mind. By definition to truly be new and original they would have to come from beyond your own mind. The truth as it relates to conscious life has been revealed, its all good and all new. Search *_Truth Contest_* and read the Good news for yourself. The truth will set you free, check out the top entry called "The Present".
just googled that library thinking that you are exaggerating your description. im cleaning coffee off my monitor now.
pope audience hall.......................'mindboggling' too...in a different 'ugly' way.
Noah Owens I have read the Truth Contest, and it is to me a religion in its truest form, but it is not by any stretch a very impressive one. I dont want to sound like i dont love God. of course i do, probably in very similar ways to you.
I do take a few issues with the document.
I like what it is trying to do, which i think is to provide a cohesive theory for the universe, and its purpose, and Love, and Unity and yadda yadda. All things i think interesting people think about :)
But this man claims to have got it perfected. If you ask me, that means we need to proceed as carefully as if the man came forth saying "Jesus is no longer the last time God came to earth as a human. i am divinely inspired and people will look back on this document the way they look back on the bible, or the gita, or the origin of species'
But when he tries to solve one of the questions religious philosophy has been struggling with for 6000 or more years, he comes short.
For instance, he tries to reconcile the origination of two major theistic theories(judeo christian islamic and and hindu/buddhist) two most unique attributes: what happens after we die.
He says that the hell the Christian bible talks about is actually you at the bottom of the ocean as a worm that evolving, and that our evolution up until now has been a series of reincarnations( that how all of hinduism os supposed to fit in) . he defends his theory by arguing both lf these theories support that we are trying to do is get to heaven.
But that doesnt explain how the bible never mentions reincarnation. Its trillions of years for one soul, when It seems like the bible talks about human life as being the beginning and end of spiritual significance besides the afterlife.
Also, i wouldnt want to claim any authority on hinduism, but if any hindus can point me out where in the tradition they think there is any reference to jesus' impending arroval, i would be interested. really, i just dont have the heritage i have with Christianity.
While i cant say i have a way to perfectly stitch together that issue, i feel pretty sure his answer doesnt cut it. however, i think it is close enough to keep you human so I think we are both on a similar path.
Smegma dont call me friend after ironically calling me einstein. i didnt say the soul couldnt exist for trillions of years. i am saying that the bible and the libraries of hindu text express incompatible metaphysical scaffolding. i read over my comment several, several times and am confident to say thay if you were a critical reader you would have understood that. i wasnt trying to say which religions were right or wrong, i was merely saying that the author of the truth contest fails in trying to synthesize all world religions. he atrempts to take all the nuances of right behavior from them all and reduce them to simply aiming to 'expand your life' which is the sort of trivial simplemindedness you see a lot on youtube. my only concern is now it is becoming an apocalyptic death cult.
I've read a lot of Jung and a few books of Nietzche. Jung's explanations on where symbols, traditions (and what he calls archetypes) are from are extremely well thought out and convincing. Plus his bizzare stories and experiences and his capacity to remember vividly events from his childhood, even dreams from his childhood are remarkable
Neither well thought out, nor convincing, but demonstrably false and clear proof Jung was a charlatan. Evidence is in Jordan Peterson's so called lectures wherein he claims (based on Jung's superstitious nonsense) all dragon myths to be expressions of the same archetype representing chaos with the attribute of being female, which is bullshit. Most dragon myths describe male dragons. The dragon of St George, which is explicitly adressed by Peterson, represents the islamic caliph. The chinese dragon represents heavenly order, is explicitly male and attributed to the chinese emperor. These undeniable facts falsify Jung completely and prove that Peterson is an idiot spreading stupid bullshit in contrast to common knowledge.
When a man like jordan Peterson describes the intellect and work of another human as extremely daunting and bloody terrifying it seems wise to take note.
People have slighted Jordan Peterson for being sort of sloppy about controversial topics and engaging in semantics for years but he is so clearly an extremely insightful and intelligent person
@@jaredferguson2999 only if you have never read a book in your life or heard a mediocre philosophy professor in your life. he's a joke in his field really. You just admire him because you know nobody else in this field.
This talk brought up a whole new perception about myself: I think in pictures. And just after watching I had a decent research on the topic and found out, that all the problems I had with learning in school and university are exactly due to the way I think.
Jordan Peterson once again did not at all fail to blow my mind.
I feel like I’m better with words because I don’t primarily think in words if that makes any sense? Because I’m good with foreign languages because it makes my thoughts less bound to my native language. I’m not even sure I think in pictures so much as abstract thought forms that are not necessarily visual nor verbal. When it comes to mathematics I think in pictures and abstract thought forms and I have trouble learning in a classroom environment because the teacher talking won’t let me think but that might be more due to anxiety; the memory of the class experience gets stored in episodic rather than semantic where it belongs, but when I have to do homework under duress of a deadline it has the same effect. I also think that those that think in words are more likely to get brainwashed. Like parrots that become hosts for viral memes that they spread without understanding. I’m also a lot better with maps than with spoken directions.
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 I love Jordan Peterson but in my opinion this video and the comments show how people might kiss his butt a little too much sometimes. We should all be thinking for ourselves, and in my opinion if we had been then this would not have been one of JP’s mind blowing videos, which there are many of. For instance talking about thinking in “words or pictures” as if it’s an either or, or as if those are the best description of all the options simplifies it too much. What about thinking in numbers? What about the distinction between formal logic and informal thinking? Formalization of thought is more important in my opinion than which type of reasoning or concepts you do it with. It may be useful when talking to crowds and making sure people understand some of the ways you can think, to say “words or pictures”, but in my opinion that’s making an odd distinction, that like you’re seeing here in these comments is likely to make people falsely assume they are one way or the other when I don’t agree that it’s the case. It misses the boat a bit in that it doesn’t address the lack of formality in “stupid” people’s thought vs “genius” thoughts. We all have a logic calculator in our head and yours is just as good, or at least closer than many lazy thinkers and illogical reasoners think, to the same hardware as an Einstein or Jung. You may have a way of thinking that you prefer or are used to, but it doesn’t mean you don’t have the ability or brain power to do the alternative if you focused your mind. It just takes putting in the effort to work on types of thought you’re less comfortable with. Just like a workout at the gym if you only work on your strengths you end up lopsided. All thought is simply some form of logical reasoning, no matter how informal and we think in logical concepts whether that be words, various geometric patterns and visual concepts, consciously processing information from our senses, mathematically, etc.
It really doesn’t matter what type of logical concept you think with, the organization and formalization of thought is the key to being more rational and being able to trust the output of that spongy logical reasoning machine we call a brain. Lack of formality regardless of whether it consists of pictures or words will lead you to poor reasoning and can output illogical concepts even when you had all the info needed to reason through to the proper answer! I sincerely hope there’s another video I just haven’t seen where JP addresses this as it’s the thought equivalent of cleaning ones room before trying to declare the rest of the world the problem, but I have yet to see him make that point or distinction.
Can you explain more? I’m curious
As a graphic thinker, I had problems with the way they taught foreign languages. They always try the list method, "oui" is "yes"... This isn't how they teach the native language, so why do they think that's the best way for another language?
@@userhome3601
Most language teachers do not really understand why they are good language learners themselves so they can't really teach it. So they just pass on the methods that work for them but they don't work for everybody. It's one of the reasons English speaking nations are generally bad second or third language learners
This is so bloody interesting, it's feeding my soul.
My first impression on Peterson’s response is to question Peterson’s saying Jung thought in pictures, and many others in words. Thinking is linear and language based. Pictures are from any other part of the brain. Unconscious content, Jung’s focus area, is not always language based, like most dreams. We can mostly only communicate between humans in science with words, though more and more we can use images. Direct experience of living is word free, judgement free, but this was not and is not the world of science, which seeks to ‘understand’ and articulate on illusion. We all have to be reborn.. IMHO
"Seeing through glass darkly" someone has read their Bible
Yeah, read it in spanish, can’t relate
The interesting thing about his incredible intelligence was that in the gymnasium (like K-12) he was at one point thought of as quite average. After he got a handle on his studies he worked to be #2 in his class to avoid what comes with the spotlight light of being #1. Very interesting.
I think in amateurish cartoons that look like they were drawn in MS Paint.
As long as you dont sound like that then you should be ok. :)
Philip Jones what does MS paint sound like?
Tommy Lee Jones Midi piano.
So basically the big lez show?
i think in chalk/stick figures
I think most of us have the ability to explore these depths of thought but we don’t want to view things with pure honesty and be free of distraction when doing so.
It's hard to learn about these depths, takes a lot of time; even more time if your IQ isn't that high.
For a person before exploring these depths, it seems we get compelled to explore it only when:
- It seems worth the exploration only when you no longer live in a world where your material needs are lacking (few),
- Or you need the knowledge because psychological trouble has brought you into depression & you need a "why to live" (seems like most of us)
whats "bloody terrifying" is a clinical psychologist who didnt know benzos were addictive
Talent hits a target no one else can hit, genius hits a target no one else can see.
I feel the same listening to Jordan.
Luddmeister perhaps we should be reading yung.
You should read Jung. Don't stop at the door just because someone like Peterson opened it. He's inviting you to step inside and learn from people greater than him. If you don't take that invitation you're not paying Peterson any kind of respect.
+MrCarcosa Whenever a person smarter than me mentions something they read, I HAVE to read it.
Although I must confess that Das Kapital beat me.
I made it through the 1st volume and intended to go back, but never did.
I read a book from Jung long before I knew about Jordan Peterson, and yeah it's mind blowing. It took me months, because I would read a page and then just think about it for 20 minutes.
I feel a certain sense of accomplishment from the fact that I was already aware of and into much of what Jordan is talking about, and very explicitly and not in the way some people say, like "yeah he's putting words to things I've always thought but couldn't express". But hearing everything form his perspective and with his integrations and formulations etc is still very useful.
Tesla was also able to visualize the machines he invented completely running in his mind.
Jung, like all good physicians, had the gift of reading, quickly understading even complex topics, and learning what he had read right away. Additionally, he had the gifts that Dr. Peterson points out and even more.
Jung like Einstein was an intuitive thinker. Einstein studied the external world and Jung studied the inner world of the psyche.
They were studying the same thing not "on the internal" or the (external) but reality itself. They just choose different methodes of Investigation until they both realised that "they" are reality.
one (Einstein) was forced to flee from the Nazis grasp, the other (Jung) applauded them
@@lucasheijdeman2581 You are right, but that type of looking at the world is (as of yet) foreign to most people.
I'm only starting to maybe somewhat grasp it in practice, using it as more than a theory; it's difficult to transition with our modern inflated egos ^^.
For most, meditation (or quality classical religion) is the safe way to get there.
For some, possibly dangerous psychedelics can get them there, but without proper guidance, it can be too fast & if without guidance, though unlikely, it can ruin your psyche for a long time.
@@lucasheijdeman2581 Making up false claims is not studying.
Comparing einstein to Jung is the most insulting and ridiculous thing I've ever read einstein pure brilliance changed the face of the planet, and actually discovered more about the way the universe works.
Carl Jung sat at home, writing random things that popped into his head as if they were fact, living off his rich wife's money.
HOW many of you THINK you THINK in words???? Such a strange question and amazing realization.
I think and believe we think in concepts and images. moving/ fluid visualizations.
He had a near death experience. His leg was close to amputation and he became septic. He said he went to the a great city. He then went to a great library were he was show the archetypes of human nature. He entered this other reality though the sea of souls. I have had 2 near death experiences. When I was 10- I went to the sea of souls. Later on, when I read him, I discovered he had as well. When I flat-lined in the emergency, at 19 and had a near death experience I became like the eye 👁 of Horus - I could see everything in multiple realities in multiple layers of perception- I am sure that is why he was such a great visionary - he had seen past the perceptions of the human experience and conditions
multiple layers of perception so like being many people at once?
@Jordan - Try meditation & see for yourself. I'd recommend 3rd eye meditation (but other meditations might be more compatible for you at this stage in life). So far HealthyGamerGG has the best path for anybody new to walk this path.
Through his interviews with streamers/ ordinary people, you can get a glimpse of which meditations exist & which might suit you at this time. Most Hindu & Buddhist meditations offer similar paths that lead to the same place of understanding.
@@josemariarecalde9984 In its totality, it can't really be put into words; it can only be experienced, or embodied.
After much thinking, anything more I'd say would be counter-productive
1:07 - 1:10
I really appreciated that Raymond Babbit impression. You had the hand fidget, head bob and forward step timed well with:
"Terrifying...absolutely terrifying"
For me its the way jung can link his thoughts and work drawing from all that hes read and written an the way it plays before him so he can create a tapestry of thoughts.the man was a genius.
4:09 that feeling when your interest peaks and the video stops.
🤦♂️
Blue balled lol
Full video is in the description bro
@@XFOURK1 it's a little besides the point but cheers anyway. 👍 😂
If would prefer to watch the video on JP's official yt channel but yt suggested this, so here we are.
Maybe the OP needs to go tidy their room instead of redirecting the flow of traffic. 👍
@Anderson Mendes 😂 it was a Freudian slip but I've tidied my comments now. 👍
@Anderson Mendes 😂
Jung was more brilliant than society will ever realize.
also a lot more disgusting than you lemmings will ever realize
Jordan always sounds like he's fighting back tears 😔
yep, it's the constant realization of how far he's come with his lies and that his house of cards will fall over very soon. That'd make anybody choke up, at least alt-right Kermit over here ;)
@@kaivogel253 You sound like Saruman in Lord of the Rings. ^^ Just hate, hate, mistrust & hate
I'm reading the book, triggered the reference
@@elektrotehnik94 reading Tolkien is a lot more wholesome than reading anything Peterson's ghostwriter came up with ;) enjoy
@@kaivogel253 m'kay... Glanced over the whole Saruman thing, i see...
Ive always noticed that in my dreams whenever i experience an encounter, i can predict the outcome. Like whatever i thought of is what happens in my dream. Of course because im writing that story in my head. But when i noticed it happens in real life too, it scared the living hell out of me. Still does. I seen it too much. And i liken it to Jung's synchronicity. It scares more than anything i have ever pondered. How easily my thoughts dictate my reality. I dont even know if im real anymore.
Fascinating!!
I think in thought. actual meaning. Usually words and pictures and conceptualizations accompany a thought, but they come after the fact, sometimes making the meaning clearer, sometimes muddying the idea. I'm sure everyone has had that sudden flash of inspiration, no words or pictures, but just a pure and whole idea in one neat package.
I also notice the more isolated from others I become, and the more I take drugs like LSD and mushrooms and marijuana (psychedelics once every few months and I smoke a small amount of marijuana daily), the more conceptual my thinking becomes, indescribable since the thoughts are not in words. I find myself having a very hard time communicating my ideas to others because of that.
Yeah, it's as if meaning came much faster than words and pictures. It depends on the kind of thought, though. For example, if the topic is highly systematic (math, logic, etc.), I find it much easier to think in words than in meaning.
your second comment just hit me like a brick. ive been feeling the same about a recent trip and have been trying to figure out what it is that creates such distance from people.. ive come up with various explanations, both personal and related to the substance itself, but to hear one of them confirmed by someone else amazes me right now
nype I've had those same thoughts to a certain degree
It's referred to as the Eureka moment...
Clinician 100 years from now: “Jordan B. Peterson’s Intelligence was bloody terrifying!”
I think that will be a thought in ten years from now nevermind 100 years
Jacob Andersen lol, class C scholar.
Nah lmao, peterson isnt extraordinary he is just really really good at media and public discussion along with appearing as a father figure to a generation that God knows has father problems. Nice dude overall, it's not often you see professor willing to go to these length to help people, he may not be a genius, but he sure as hell had an incredibly positive impact
Sterling Archer what are your credentials? Please enlighten us on how you are smarter than him
@@mattystewart8 well apparently one thing my credentials have in them and not in yours, is reading comprehension. I never said I was smarter than him lmao
I can sometimes see a person almost so clear as if they stood infront of me when closing my eyes.
When I think the best way I can describe it is ideas, if I try to picture it I can but it takes more time and if I try to put it into words that takes a lot more time. I can track my thoughts and then use words to work them out but they don't start in word or picture form.
As an aside I used to have times when I was a teenager where I would think in words that moved faster than I could keep track of them and it would give me panic attacks, I would have to stop whatever I was doing ( in class I would go to the bathroom or if I was driving I would pull off the road) and I came up with calming exercises for my thoughts to reign them back in. I am grateful each time I remember and recognize that I no longer experience that now. I sometimes wonder if it was some sort of compulsive disorder.
Jung is by far the most intellectual being in terms of work he produced, the way he carried lifestyle living from the core and surprisingly down to earth human being. His work speaks for itself
I think in the three languages I speak depending on the subject or context, I think in images and sounds as I work in Architecture and produce music as a hobby, I think in feelings when I meditate or before I go to bed and it can be a cause of anxiety sometimes. The human brain is complex enough to cover thought in all physical and non physical senses. It's a spectrum.
The way Peterson is fascinated with Jung that’s how I’m fascinated with Peterson
I could listen to Jordan Peterson all day.
"i think i think in words"
(1 min later) "my suspicion are..."
random guy lmao
I feel like Jordan Peterson has found a way to project straight inside my mind! A bit like listening to music. We dont process music by listening separately to drums/guitar/bass/keyboard/vocals etc etc etc. We just "hear" something in our mind that makes us happy/angry/dance etc!
Might sound weird but when this guy talks everything is in balance. The words he chooses, how his sentences are built, the way he uses pause in speech, the way he articulates and vocalizes, even the body language. His point and reasoning gets delivered straight to the depths of my brain!
Respect man!
the music being Nickelback. Yuck.
Nooo why did it cut off like that. I was so invested.
I get lost in thought when I think in pictures(mainly when showering), and when I find myself it feels like a lot of time has passed.
For context, Jung was able to understand why you did things on a subconscious level so detailed you didn't even recognize it even as the person doing it! AND THEN Jung would connect WHY your doing that thing with the big picture of your culture, language, sex, living situation, romantic relationships, it just goes so deep. And people just aren't evolved enough to hold that information at a ready, so he conceptualized it in books and abbreviations like math does using a simple symbol for an entire formula. To say he was in insightful is an understatement. And with psychology being such an interpreted field it really hasn't evolved much compared to other fields in last 100 years, so Jung's concepts hold today.
It’ wasn’t just Jung’s brain, that was actually a very small part. He was connected with source, of which provides an endless amount of wisdom that the brain can’t even begin to understand.
Your comment is worthy of a lot more Likes than it got. (Heavy sigh…)
is this your believe or a proven fact? if it's your believe then I can respect that, but if it's a fact then please point me to the evidence.
@BossLike. What "source" might you be implying?
@@stephenwipf5224 The fact that you have to ask is precisely the problem. His failure to recognize eastern philosophy as Jung’s primary tool behind his work is misleading, to say the least. This is how stories and history get twisted. Not always intentionally, but omission ultimately has the same impact as lying.
By source I am referring to the universe, the oneness, transcendentalism…. If you study the works of all past greats they had a conscious link to it, and understood it’s power. This applies to Einstein, Newton, Confucius, Ethiopian philosophers and on and on. Just look it up.
@@AmYiChai Proven fact? Do me a favor, go research where Jung spent MANY years learning eastern philosophy and then reply. I’d rather your comment be backed with actual knowledge of Jung, with all due respect. We can’t be so “impressed” by a person where we refuse to question their viewpoints.
I can relate to this.. I can imagine a scene that i would liek to draw, but when I take a pencil in a hand I cant even start a drawing, I can see the concept but not the details.
Talking about avenues of communication: clairaudience - hearing; clairvoyance - seeing; clairsentience - knowing; healing - feeling.
listening to this guy talk is so inspiring and satisfying
you meant nauseating and embarassing? gotcha :)
mr peterson you are my hero , please continue to flood youtube with more of you.
Deeply and painfully needed by those alive in 2021 and 2022, for sure
Many Buddhists train in visualization (like Yidam diety meditation) to strengthen the mental visualization muscle. Thinking in words is really the faculty of hearing, except it’s inner hearing, which requires an inner voice or the verbal function. Inner dialogue often has a physical impact on the throat muscles. “Quieting the mind” often involves relaxing the inner voice ie relaxing muscles in the throat area. Visualization is inner vision. Many champions of memory retention use visualization techniques to remember not just massive amounts but fine details.
Photographic & phonographic memories. I’d say that all of the senses have a correlating memory aspect: smelling, feeling, tasting. Recognizing the way the mind works develops a deeper level of the mind, the one that observes how the mind operates. Other meditation techniques are aural eg mantra repetition. Some combine aural and visual. Some call on many senses via the intentional development of full body awareness, or more specifically, complete and simultaneous awareness of the entire nervous system. If this is achieved, how could every sense not be involved?! With the nervous system completely “inhabited”, the Buddha taught to bring about relaxation to the entire nervous system, not in a manner that lends to sleep, but in a matter that accomplished increased vigilance thru relaxing the bodily formation. This sends a massive amount of energy into the mind, that is, the tranquilization of the bodily formation. The next step is to relax the mind. Indeed the first jhana is accompanied by thought while the second jhana comes with the subsiding of thought. The whole process is said to bring about complete realization of impermanence and authentic equanimity.
I just think of it as a well trained mind, and a body that has been finely and intentionally tuned to the now-tuned mind.
57 Dislikes and 2,000+ Likes in this video (at the time of post), yet a quarter of the comment section seems anti-Jung or JP.
Haters are quite the vocal minority on CZcams these days.
Oh yeah, haters almost always put more effort on expressing themselves than the rest of the field.
Greyzone If every hater would be capable of critical thinking CZcams would be a better place.
Where did anybody say that the "haters" weren't welcome, Greyzone?
What I especially love about internet haters, trolls etc etc is that whenever they are exposed on tv they are always very good looking, have great careers and a wonderful home life.
Hugh Mungus so what you're saying is, the haters sound all have to dress as lobsters?
I ran into Dr. Jung years and years ago. He is fascinating. I've read everything my library has from and about him.
definitely victim xD
When someone is talking to me I paint a picture in my mind. When the picture is formed I process the mental picture verbally. But I always feel that I’m unable to adequately verbally articulate my response. So that makes me usually verbally paint a picture so the other person can fully conceptualize my response. Then I often over elaborate to see if the person can find fault in my logic or if I see a fault in my logic.
Thank you 🙏 Ramble.
Jung's profession was helping people with mental issues. You must see it personal. He obviously took it so seriously that he wrote down a lot of text. His thoughts in there live on through us that we dive into it, ofc.a world of mostly illness but also of healing and genesis. And that is why I personally felt so angry on Freud the first time I heard he quit friendship to Jung because Jung thought of things in a not so strict way than Freud. I mean, someone is smarter than you and you even tell him that you don't want your authority undermined and quit friendship? I'm no psychiatrist or studied psychologist but I can tell this is where Freud's ego fucked him up... he could have had developed himself, grow up and let the young Jung show him things he didn't think of. Nah.. i mean..
Jung's "lagacy" is a whole new concept of looking on things. When Jung is looking at something - and you can tell, he really wants you to understand, he is passionate with one, and that talking to oneself about an aspect of the soul is illuminating and alleviating.
The Conscious thinks in words, the subconscious thinks in images, the middle man of the mind thinks in both.
It appears that some people can only think in one or two of these forms- which I cannot even wrap my head around. I like the way you demonstrate the different internal modes’ here....
When someone says they have no internal monologue I can only remember times when my mind is quiet... very rare. How is it some people can alternate all Three forms of thinking, whereas some may only possess a singular form?
The consciousness is our time machine and music is the fuel . I enjoy your energy sir
I think in images so intensely that I could imagine that crowd with every face intact with individual dynamic movements on randomly selected people, and have that image slowly fade into a snowglobe and hold that snowglobe in front of the crowd. But my communication skills are totaled, damn near not existent, and it’s hellish, there’s galaxies in my head and I can’t express a sliver of it
You just described me, Bananaman.
Me too
Much of Jung's genius came from his study of Eastern philosophy melded with Western thought. A worldview and philosophy relying only on one's own culture is bound to be limited. Oftentimes I think JBP could/should broaden his thinking ground to encompass more Eastern thought.
I share the sentiment that being well rooted in ones culture and an avid reader of others is ideal, but he is decently well informed on the nature of Buddhism at the least.
and his similarities with nietzsche are more than superficial, you could almost say he was nietzsches translator. like he translated mythical content, like fe fire, earth, air, water.. sensation, intuition, ratio and emotion.
Divergent Integral, I also have the suspicion that Buddhism cannot be separated from its ethics, but can you provide any examples about how that is the case?
Alfonso G
Laypeople can still practice Buddhism. Monastics is the faster and better way, sure, but that doesn't preclude the ability that almost anyone has to practice the Noble Eightfold Path.
Right. He would benefit from studying Islam properly.
If you learn another language you can actually think in another way and even experience new emotions you couldn't before.
New emotions? O.o Can you give an example please?
Intellect hits a target others cannot hit. Genius hits a target *others cannot see.*
Nice video
I think that Dr Peterson has a man crush for Jung 🙂
This is really interesting. I have always been a strong visual thinker and so was my father. The images in my head are so vivid I can almost reach out and touch them. However, if I were too attempt to put these images to words...yeah it's a jumbled mess. Maybe I just have poor verbal skills to articulate my thoughts to others in a concise way they can understand. I would love to have Dr. Peterson's verbal prowess.
Me too, but reading and writing will get you better with time. Practice never fails.
That’s pretty well written :)
A) Well, there’s another book going on the list.
B) The more I learn about Jung, the more I am eager to learn.
C) The first time I heard that people see in words I was like, “WHAT.”
I'm unable to think in pictures. When I imagine something, I imagine the description, but I can never visualize things. I imagine that's how it feels to be blind.
My best friend is a massive fan of Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell, and I've noticed that he is quite visionary. I've always been way more auditory and my biggest influence was Nietzsche. I don't think that's an accident. Nietzsche wrote with a strange musical language, and Jung wrote with a strange visual language.
Interesting, as I find him to be one of the most readable philosophers there are.
"I think I think in words"
I couldn't help myself but to laugh at that statement and i'm not sure why.
the book about archaic human and todays modern human was so interesting i read when i was in univercity and i admired his thoughts
Some people think in emotions/feelings, also with images.
What Jung had was not thinking in images. His intuition was deeply strong. And intuition differs from any form of thinking. Intuition is rather seeing underlying order or patterns of things instinctively. It is neither visual thinking nor thinking in any form. It is seeing the underlying system of things. As Jung says; "we know intuition definitely works but we do not know how and why"
That kind of thinking very rare and IQ can't test it because it can't from in any kind of thinking
I like that the video looks like Caravaggio's painting
Thumbs up for a good reference
Carl Jung was the son of Lutheran missionaries and spent a large part of his youth in India. I really like him! He's not understood correctly in some concepts particularly Synchronicity. His great leap was understanding he could use symbols and their meanings (for different groups) as a way to do a reverse-engineering of the psyche. (if they are the same everywhere then it must be a product of something common to every human).
Only think in words when not yet understanding something from text or thinking about conversations.
I find Mr. Peterson amazing to listen too. It's also fascinating to see a man like him pluralize an adverb. Anyways...amazing man!
i discovered carl jung throught BTS Story line and I'm so damn sure that I'll read his work from now on
As a drawing artist i think in pictures a lot but since reading books and watching movies i think in cinematic thoughts with moving pictures and lines.
I think like the good Dr. Peterson. I can think in pictures and spend most of my time in the picture though, but my go-to thinking is words. Not in a visual way, but I talk to myself in my head. I can very clearly visualize as well. It's like a puzzle, I kinda do both at the same time. Who else simultaneously think in both like I do? (I never realized some people think differently, this is really interesting.)
so you think like a washed up clown then? That's sad. You might wanna avoid the benzos, just as a little heads-up ;)
Wow, I didn't know people could think in pictures. I mean sure, you can visualize an idea if need be, but to think primarily or entirely in pictures is ridiculously foreign to me. I always thought everyone thought almost entirely in words, and I've always wondered what the thinking process would be like for someone who has never learned language and has no direct way to communicate with others. What it would be like for them to communicate with themselves.
Raw Gameplay I had the exact same feeling while watching this, had no idea this even occurred I wonder if I'm retarded :(
I think visualization ability exists across a spectrum. If you can't do it at all you might have aphantasia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia
It's fascinating that most of those with aphantasia only realise that others can actually picture things in their mind when they learn of the condition. Whenever someone had asked them to, say, picture a tree "in their mind's eye", they just assumed it was an idiomatic expression that meant something like "contemplate the concept of a tree".
I guess that's indicative of the fact that we don't tend to discuss the specifics of how we think and process the world, instead just assuming that everyone else's inner experience must be more or less similar to our own.
Raw Gameplay believe it or not I actually didn’t think with words most of the time.
GroboClone
Right? You can come across the most foreign and interesting perspectives when you actually discuss the way we think with others.
www.bbc.com/future/story/20160524-this-man-had-no-idea-his-mind-is-blind-until-last-week
When I read this article for the first time back in '16, my experience was about the same as the subject of the article, "you mean people can *actually* visualize stuff with their eyes closed???". I truly thought it was just an expression. Needless to say, I definitely think strongly in words and not at all visually.
Jung was a fucking sorcerer.
I don’t think in pictures or words, but in abstract thought forms that are not necessarily pictures nor words but can take on the flavor of either.
Jordan Peterson's suit jacket is like negative space, it's totally appropriate for the mood of the lecture.