Do These Mini Amps Survive the Amp Dyno Tests?
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0:00 What Happened?
0:23 Unboxing MM1000
1:26 MM1000 Features
2:18 Unboxing MM1500KFD
2:36 MM1500KDF Features
4:18 MM1000 Amp Dyno Tests
7:02 MM1500KFD Amp Dyno Tests
9:55 MM1000 Sound Demos
11:04 MM1500KFD Sound Demos
12:33 Thermals and Internals
13:47 Pros and Cons
14:57 What Happened Explained
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*VIDEO INDEX*
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0:23 Unboxing MM1000
1:26 MM1000 Features
2:18 Unboxing MM1500KFD
2:36 MM1500KDF Features
4:18 MM1000 Amp Dyno Tests
7:02 MM1500KFD Amp Dyno Tests
9:55 MM1000 Sound Demos
11:04 MM1500KFD Sound Demos
12:33 Thermals and Internals
13:47 Pros and Cons
14:57 What Happened Explained
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Then you realize nobody cares about this content. You need to be outside the box.
And a lot of people who do care about the content like myself could care less why you're such a hater but only know that you are a hater and have nothing better to do in life than to criticize others.
You should do a compilation of the most efficient amps you've ever reviewed up till now.
That's a good idea! I'd be interested to see it.
Yes, for everybody who can't upgrade their alternators.
jp33 one of the best
Thank you as always for doing great and honest amp reviews. In this one we found we missed the rating by a tiny bit on this one but hey that allows us to learn and become better from it in the future =D
Living in norway and want so bad a D4S amp, they looks like hella good.
Sadly its damn expensive to get to norway... Would look great on my tiktok db videos.
I wouldn't say it missed the rating...measuring up to clipping is pretty standard in the industry. So the uncertified numbers should be good enough for anyone to rest easy. It did just fine if you ask me!
@@meade916what about the efficiency at 1ohm doesn't that seem a bit low for a 1000-1500w amp in today's world? I thought the standard for "good" budget amps were mid 70's on the low end
Hello Jp, feel like we owe you a thank you. We've watched you go from a small beginner shop, something you dreamed about. To now being truly one of the largest shops in the country. Your inventory is incredible and your customer service as far as I know is beyond match. So, again thank you.
That's not even to mention the products you put your name on, The internet channel And of course All you do in the SPL community (the current Tahoe iteration).. All quite impressive undertakings!
I'm buying your product for a build on my wife's minivan because of this video. The fact that you watched and commented humbly will make me pay for a signed one!
Shout out to Allen for providing all these keys over the years.
Literally grew up on Price is Right and Sanford and Son.... Every time you blow something I crack up. Thumbs up as always! (And a fuse is always better than the alternative)
Usually it's the Semiconductors that protect the fuse....
Great video as ALWAYS Big D!
Thanks my man! Hope you and your fam have a great Thanksgiving!
Great video, thanks for taking the time to dyno, test. Alot of viewers like these videos because gives them an idea of what they are wanting to buy. 🙌
Thanks so much for these awesome reviews Big D ❤
Thank you! This helps give me more info on my new Mm1000
Another great video!! Thank you, I need the 1000 now!!
Probably the most impressive tiny Amos I’ve seen you test. Great value
Awesome ratings, thsnk you big D!
I love the subwoofer tests but when I watch at home, I always have to turn it down. The Klipsch 12 is not neighbor friendly at night, lol! Awesome video, as always Big D!!
Thank you for doing these videos. My son “BrodyMan_Bass14” is eight years old and learns so much from these. Thank you
Been waiting and holding out for your Dyno before I get one thank you
its so strange hearing demos on my home computer system. getting your bass from my sub but port noise from my speakers. lol
i just installed some of these amps in a system at work. 123 4 and a 1004 with a jp63 and jp40 (iirc on those model numbers). they are pretty good, so far ive been impressed given their low cost.
Every time I watch amp videos I'm forever impressed that the jl hd1200. 1 (you've reviewed it) can do 1200wrms at all ohms at half the footprint and more of amps that can't do half that. Might be over 1$ per watt but ill pay it all day for how good the amp looks and bumps and stays tiny.
"Stays tiny".... Hmm, have you had tiny amps that grew larger on you over time before?? 🤔
thanks for all you do big wiz
Hey, love your vids, would love an acces to the amount of amps you have :'D. i do have some questions You say network cable, but it looks like a 10p10c connector which is referred to as a RJ50 connector with 10 contacts no?. 1gb/10gb network cable still uses a rj45 connector 8p8c which has 8 contacts. Would h8 for someone to install network cable before his amps arrives and....
OWWWW! The MM1000 is a dream super compact, 4Ohm, 500Watt plus, 96% efficient mono sub amplifier for all my older 4Ohm subs. Ok, I want an Audio Control, but maybe I will get both to support my favorite companies.
I was a professional installer for about 25 years. As such, I have always had access to, and used, big brand top flight amplifiers - Rockford, JL, Zapco, etc. I tend to scoff at these new brands, and I expect it is a tough deal for people to try to sort through what is crap, what is great, and what falls in between. Kudos that you review a lot of them.
For no reason that I can explain, the MM line from D4S has caught my attention. Maybe it's the color palette reminding me of Linear Power from back in the day. I am happy to see that they appear to be a decent product. I might just have to pick a few up to try out. Nice work.
Good price. Good output. Nicely done
Was looking at the amp color ways and liking the options available. Saw an autograph option for $50. Never seen that before, oh my 😮
Huge pass on the sharpie marks lol 😂
Would you test an old school discontinued Kenwood amp if I sent it to you? This was the first name brand amp I ever purchased and has served me well in my daily driver for 20 years. The only reason I pulled it out of service is to replace it with a newer amp with twice the power.
The amp in question is a KAC-7201. I have been scouring the internet for years looking for a dyno test on this old amp.
Good amplifier like the old school look. For best sound get everything from one company. I'm big Rocker Fosgate guy for years my brother is stuck in the 90's so i got him Down for sound amplifier for 4-12 inch Kenwood KFC and the JP23 perfect for him. I want the mini for my Motorcycle and 10 inch for my sattle bags now that's sound 😎
Thanks for the video Big D. Can I use the MM1000 to power some midrange speakers? Even though it’s a bass amp.
This will work great in my convertible… I’m sure it will make my subs sound better then the small skar I’m currently using. I just found these amps for about $169 👍🏾👍🏾
you should test the cross overs. when i was tuning the system i just built the xover points on those dials did not match what it was producing.
I have been waiting for these! Always bringing great tests!
I like that it's full range.
Rj45 connector for those who don't know and it is network and still very much in use today lol.
Was this a mini amp mini drag? I’ll take it!
What happens to all these amplifiers after testing?
Big D , u think 🤔 mm100/2 bridged at 4ohms will put out 500watts ???
I had the MM1000 pushing a single Apocalypse 25 series 12 and it did well in 1&4 ohm but it just wasn’t enough for me so I got the JP13
Hey there Mr. Williston - from your experience and testing, I would like to ask your opinion about what amp to use to power 2 - 15" power series Rockford subs. These are the classic models, from 1999, and they are dual voice coils also. I was using two Memphis 1100D amps, one on each sub, but due to a shop doing a horrible amp wiring install, I tossed out the amps thinking they were blown. Sad story and painful to still think about. But, I am curious to know if you think one larger amp or two smaller amps would work best. I am especially worried about amp draw from amps) on my electrical system and would like to get the maximum output from the subs. I am just curious about your many years of knowledge and experience, and your personal perspective. Any input would be greatly appreciated. I will most likely run a sealed box since I don't have many quality installers where I am, that I trust, building a proper ported enclosure. Thanks & Cheers
How do the mini amps compare to normal size class D amps of same rating?
New tech better or tiny size need shortcuts
Hey there, I wondered if you think that any D4S JP amps will be on sale this black Friday? I'd love to pick up a JP95 for my car or a couple of these mini amps if they do.
I don't know for sure but I bet the chances are high
Love to see that W7 flexing
Everything I've bought for my car is based on your reviews!
I bought a sundown sam500.1d amp. And a kicker 10" q class, I set it to 1ohm and my sundown amp started clipping, I put the test light to the positive at the amp and when the bass hit it drops to low 12v... I'm upgrading to 4g ofc Wires to see if it will help the amp from clipping..
I'm interested in this blue monoblock but I don't understand when you said the efficiency is no too good?
I see it gets 1000@2ohm
But I just discovered how hard a system can hit @1ohm.
And I will like to keep it that way.
You think this amp will do better than the sundown sam500d.1 ,or I should get the CT 1000.1d ?. I'm looking for a small rectangular shape 1ohm stable at least 700rms
There nice amplifiers.
Would you be willing and able to make a recommendation on an amp? I have an Alpine type R 10 4ohm dvc. Rated at 500 watts per coil. So 1k at 2 ohm.
Size and Efficiency is most important as space and power are at a premium.
Thanks!
Only thing is I wish we could see the actual size. Like of you out a CD next to the amps at the end shot. For reference. I really like these small form factor amps. I've been looking for the mosconis and alpine pdx lately. Good job, dude. Love your videos.
The measurements are in the video. Get an item that's close to that size
Oh c'mon now.....
What would you recommend for a 2 speaker and 1 sub? It's a small boombox build for a shifter, I drive around a yard shifting trailers and I'm wanting something with more sound and fullness but has to be compact, tpt500.4 was a option, any advice would be greatly appreciated!
That transparent bottom cover is sweet! Too bad it doesn't include a way to mount it upside down.
Also speaker cables do not have to be massive the current coming out of amp is is AC negating the dc voltage/resistance issue. Unless you're talking multiple kilowatts you're good. 😊
big D for the sunday win!
Nice
full range was it the 1.5kw model? yeah, if you have several mids for like one door, the wattage needed goes up fast, so i understand full range.
I love it
Nice amps 💪💪🔊🔊💯💯
Big D... What 8" subs and amp would you recommend for the most bass in my S550 mustang?
Some skar Eight
Teens 😂
im thinking about getting the 1500kfd to replace my old memphis MCD1000. Im curious what you mean at 14:27 when you say remote only works for lowpass? Does it only work when the LP filter is on, could i not have the HP on to act as a subsonic, or how does it work?
The fuse went nuke! 😂😂😂 that was unusual.
Awesome vid with great info as always. Thanks for continuing to do these. 😎👍👍
I'm curious if there's any design benefit of those angled-screw terminals. If you're using just twisted strands without a ferrule, the downwards clamping pressure of a screw can make the strand packing go wonky, especially if you don't have good fitment or are dropping down a size of cable. But with the angled screws, rather than just downwards force, you're also applying forward force, and with a smaller overall clamping area, due to the edge of the screw rather than the flat of a screw. This probably also helps secure the cable into its forward-most position, and probably helps prevent pull-out. Not to mention ease of access to the screw. Honestly, this might be a feature I want to see more often than not on future equipment.
Also, when it comes to RCA pigtails, I'm a bit surprised some form of mini-RCA never popped up. The problem with TS/TRS/TRRS is that the tips and rings rub the ground, whereas RCA always has the shielding separate from the source pin via the barrel. I guess barrel jack power connectors could be borrowed as an alternative, especially with how small they get, but they're just too uncommon in comparison to RCA jacks. Though one thing I do want to see, although it's a bit pricier, is optical, it'd just open up more routing opportunities and bundles sources better; I'm genuinely surprised optical is an optional standard everywhere but car audio, I've even had laptops with a combo optical-TRS jack. People don't like pigtails because the RCA connectors add so much bulk to the middle of a cable run, y'know where that portion of the cable is already being tucked under other things like panels, and short pigtails are generally a pain in the ass, pigtails will enerally never have a good solution unless you have a decent run of copper between a source and in-line RCA block but then you're adding an unsightly wart somewhere in the chain where there typically isn't room for one; the alternative to this is of course pinning those 4pin connectors yourself, but I don't think most people in this hobby would understand where to go for these parts.
Full range amps are also useful if you have a lot of high-power drivers in one door, where relevant two and four channel options become drastically less abundant. Just look at JP's current build, he basically has one of his largest amps per door. 1KHz rating is entirely reasonable for these, full-ranges aren't primarily meant for sub amps, and sub amps are already more abundant at these power ratings.
The efficiency at 4 ohms is ludacris!
is the w7 in the demo 3ohm? If so how many watts do the amps do at 3ohm?
Need better efficiency with small amps because they lack the heat dissipation when used for long periods of testing they will inevitably heat up
It’s why I prefer midsized to bigger amplifiers for the deep bass. My Taramps Smart3 is not that big and does a great job with the deep bass; hardly gets warm after hours.
Whens the Taramps Smart 8k or Smart 8k Bass?
You could do one per speaker in a killer active setup.
So would the mm1500 still be fine to use as a bass amp even being full range? Sorry if thats a ridiculous question. Im not totally sure what full range does.
These will work well for people with multiple door speakers ran in series/parallel. If you know, you know
Why do so many of you give this man shit and pick a part what he says and how he says it? I know maybe thank him for his content, learn something from it or appreciate it as entertainment and leave your comments in your head. Just cause you think it doesn't mean we all want to know about it! Filter those thoughts
What's wrong with full range mono ? I run the majority of my systems "old school" 1 amp on L & R. Most HU stereo separation is superior to a lot of amplifiers. It also allows you to gain match the L & R signal. Look at how many Dyno runs one channel puts out a bit more power than the other on 2ch amps.
Almost no one run systems like that anymore other than high end SQ guys that may have a five channel for the left and a five channel for the right
I’ve been trying to figure out the differences between the “MM” designation and the “KFD.” Is the only difference that one of full range and the other isn’t?
Can we get a review on the taramps big boss 3 please
Can we say remake of the DM series of the DD amps. These just look better. don't loose the RCA cables.
Just received (and installed) a D4S JP13 and it's absolutely an EXCELLENT amp. Only two issues I have are that their customer service is, apparently, non-existent (I figured out the issue, anyway) AND the voltage/temp meter on the (robust) remote bass control could use with a dimmer - hahaha.. lights up the whole car (I'll figure it out).
But Down4Sound are the amps to buy! Great products!!!
Some tint tape will do the trick. They get really busy at times and I know they are working on customer service response
@wal I found an old pair of sunglasses with plastic lenses and cut a piece to fit right over the display and used packing tape to apply it. Works perfectly! The CS issue was my fault - sent to the sales address by mistake. Glad I did too because the problem was my fault - drove a mounting screw right through the remote wire - doh!
A small piece of window tint works great to tone down the brightness.
Cut a lil piece of window tint and cover your voltage readout. Thats what i did and it works great you can put multiple layers if needed!
Are the RCA outputs on the MM1000 passthrough of the inputs, or are they filtered by the crossover settings?
Pass thru
So I have an older pioneer sub 12 SVC 4 ohm rated 400 RMS trying to decide between the JP 8 and mm 1000.
Crown xls 2502 test soon!?
The 1500kfb is a great option if you're running a 3 way active front stage and want mono midbass. The mm1000 can't be used unless you're okay with crossing at 250, which I was not. There honestly isn't a lot of options for things like that without spending way more money.
The amplifier was designed more for that anyways that’s why there is a mono block available for Bass
Yes I second that big D if you have two and want stereo high powered mids this is way better than the other mini options I have two of the MM1004 they fit under most seats just need a mono to complete the setup now 1000 or 1500 🤔
I never use the built-in crossovers in amps. I'm a firm believer in using ONE quality crossover unit that splits off to all my amps, OR using the crossover option in the deck if it has one. A lot of the newer,
high-quality, decks have quite a nice crossover option built-in to them.
I don't like having a bunch of random crossovers that come built-in to my amps mangling the signal phase.
The closer the drivers are all time-aligned, without having to go into the deck and manually do it, the better I like it.
have you done the jp3 555watt at 4~1 ohm ?
i have a general question about car stereo amplifiers . i have read in the instructions that came with different amplifiers i have had and they usually say to try and keep the ground cable to no more than three feet, and in amp wiring kits i have bought as well as ones i saw on ebay it usually says the grounding cable is three feet long . what is the reason for that , can the amplifier actually be damage if the ground cable is too long, or does it just affect the sound quality , or what ? i have had always grounded my amplifiers directly to the battery and have never had a problem, as far as an amplifier failing i mean. although i have never used the same amplifier for more than about two years. i always thought it would be better to ground them to the battery is why i did it . can anyone explain the reason that they recommend keeping the ground cable so short even though the power/positive cables that come with the kits are often over fifteen feet long
Crown xls 2502 test?
Very impressive, hopefully they don't get too hot and burn up in six months
If they are anything like the JP line of amps then they will be extremely reliable.
We built it to the last I was testing the Mini maxes for like two years I’m still running them in my jeep
@@91CavGT5 they are
Good to know by the way, what ohm load are you running them at?
Oh, and do you have any additional cooling added i.e. fans offset amp rack yada yada?
Saludos des de mexico
I cant seem to find whether the 1000mm and other mighty max 4 channels are full bridge as well or class D
The the mm1000 is not full bridge.the mm100.4 is. Same x10 and everything as thr kfd.
I have a mm1500fkd and an mm10004 and they are pretty good. One thing to note is that the remote level control on the mm1500fkd only works when the amps low pass crossover is turned on. It took me a while to figure out what was going on there. They don't mention that anywhere. Also, what does FKD stand for since the mm1000 doesn't carry that?
Korean Fried Duck.
Korean Fullbridge Design
@@fishgamblerace8166 now I feel like an idiot lmao thank you!
So to Big D's point why is it full bridge You're not going to run mids off of it unless you plan on buying one for the left side and one for the right side
@@d77543020 , it's for big chuchero setups probably. There's a decent market for those annoying things I believe.
I actually use the KFD for 4 6.75 kicker cwrts. It lets me amplify the around 70 to 500hz range where as all the others only go to 250ish left or right doesnt matter as much there and it has kinda helped those tiny subs compliment the solo x
remember the days when we had to pay a grand or more for some power sucking class A space heater amp to get that kind of power, and that was on top of the couple grand worth of electrical system mods to run the amps.
What does bandpass capable mean??????
It means you can cut low pass and cut high pass frequency’s. So if you wanted it would only play from 80hz to 3khz.
I’m also a bit perplexed why these amps are full range and mono. If it was stereo that would easily explained and the remote only works with bass frequencies just make it a weird product, but that being said I love me some mini amps and these ones look pretty good!
Yeah I just don't see anyone buying one for the left side one for the right side and one for subs I don't get the full range mono either
Big, dumb, annoying chuchero boxes in the back of squatted trucks might be the growing target market of the full range/mono.
@@fishgamblerace8166 I'm pretty sure you nailed it!
@@fishgamblerace8166 cant stand the screamy ass systems of South America
can you PLEASE dyno a marts mxd 8000.2
Hello I'm am I'm the market for a very budget friendly 5 ch amp my Kenwood just blew and Xmas is coming soon. any suggestions thank you very much for your time
I really love these amps, compact, powerful and cost alil less then a jp8 or jp13. I just wish they wouldnt have made 1500 full range, imo kinda ruined it. They should've made it just like the 1000 just alil more power.
Can we find out why the end caps are pink on the purple amps ??
The end caps in person are purple. However they are painted and not anodized like the heat sink.
@@mugendrewable Not really, I have 2 34ab's & a 23. They really look more pink.
@@thenotoriousrvh6091 I would agree that there a lighter shade of purple, actually lavender.
I can say the end cap paint on my two 13.2a/b's, two 234 a/b's, two 84's, 23 and 234 are all the same and all purple.
If I could post a picture here of any of the purple amps next to the 72a/b I would and then you would really see pink.
SAVE THE TAA, TAA'S ❤️
Allen keys or Allen wrench?
When can u test a old school amp the kicker ZR-1000
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@wal the little digs were hilarious 😂👍
What was the sub u was using ?
Jl w-7
D4S has some of the best-looking amps, imo.
What is the small adjustment knob for on top of the bass knob? I don't see anything in the manual about it.
Allows you to match the voltage reading on the base knob to match the reading at the power inputs to the amplifier.
@@mugendrewable sorry for the potentially stupid question, but what would I need to find out the input voltage at the amp?
@@nileshepler854 so you can monitor your voltage to make sure it doesn't drop to low. Helps analyze your electrical system and if any improvements you have done to it have been a benefit.
@mugendrewable I see that. But why would I need to have an adjustment on it? Shouldn't it be able to read the voltage correctly on first plug in?
@@nileshepler854 that would really depend on what volt meter you choose to be your reference for voltage at your amplifier inputs.
We are tou touching 2000 !!
Big D .... Control man.
Now We all know the why 😂😊
Why are they using a 1 ohm impedance load? I don’t understand playing with the short concept.
Hey Derek. Can you ask Sam how the hell these tiny amps can destroy the old school amps like the orion 2100hcca amp for 1/3 the price.. I had 2 2100 and thought they were the bomb back in the 90s.. but now, i see they were a terrible amp for the price.. Bad design, bad parts, bad marketing??
Easy....technology has came that far. Power in the 90s was industry standard at $1 per watt. Now it's closer to $0.20 (or even less depending on form factor) per watt. Also consider in the 90s how few companies made amps vs now. When there is a full field of options vs 5 or 6 reputable back then competition drives the prices down.
Why not a white colored amplifier? That would look great!
anyone going to test the mm1002.... im using one just for tweeters so im sure all i needed was around 40rms lol
Stinger drag race
Why aren't we doing wireless bass knobs & RCAs by now? Idk, is my thinking wrong?
Interference mostly I would bet. Too many rogue signals out there to interfere. Plus the FCC would likely have to be involved and that's just more government tape on the product .
So why the high pass on a mono block ?
Essentially a subsonic filter or bass filter for mids/highs as the 1500 is full range capable