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This was like watching David debate the smartest cave man
Lol, totally. Patrick is the most quick-witted right winger out there in a debate, but he's still wrong about pretty much everything.
lmao
Even that would be a stretch.
Ehhh... maybe in the top 10% caveman intellect
Patrick seemed to wear his (only) high school education as a badge of honor. We should have no problem with that. It just felt like he hadn’t progressed much from there.
David had SO much patience with Patrick and kept his cool. He just kept positive and let his truth be known, knowing that people like me will get his points even if I have to rewind and think a bit about what is being said.
David I hope you read this: you should be MUCH more positive about your performance on the podcast! Almost every comment on the PBD channel was how they were strawmanning you and you did as well as you possibly could in that scenario. You clearly changed a lot of minds in the PBD audience which is usually right leaning. Well done!
I second this. You did your thing!
pakman said there's 4 categories of people that vote republican etc. blah blah
the 5th category is people that know the dems are bat sh#t crazy , and highly infiltrated with communist ' values'and peeps ! ( moreso than the republicans )
Totally agree!
This!
Atta boy!!!! Great job
This guy proves you don't need intelligence to make money. But, damn, I feel dumber after listening to Bet.
Yea you should take a day off to leave the libtard bubble and realize packman is literally living in a different planet
That's crazy to me because all he did was play Pakman then completely own him with Pakmans own tactics. Pakman uses tactics and techniques to seem more intelligent than he is. He doesn't debate in good faith and only talks DNC talking points and polls that align with his views. You probably feel smarter after listening to Pakman but in reality he just played you into thinking he's smart and ironically you feel smart coming to that conclusion 😂
I see why he became a millionaire from a pyramid scheme
Tupperware?
Sooooo middle eastern
David, you were a janitor in this podcast... you mopped the floor with this dude.
Love that analogy!!! 😂
Love it how PBD says despite David Packman’s graduate degree in economics, he doesn’t understand the economy because he’s never lent his bicycle to someone who then broke it.
Yeah that was a good one
That PDB should believe his crappy analogies about the economy is hilarious .
yeah, he always tries to frame every issue with a simplified analogy and thinks that you can just create an analogy for every complex issue to understand it.
That's not the case - some things are just complex and can't be explained to a five year old accurately
@@tundrastreaming exactly. He always goes to hypothetical stories, analogies, and anecdotal evidence because he hasn’t actually studied the subjects he’s talking about. Perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
@@tundrastreaming And especially not by gish galloping.
PDB doesn't want to understand what David is saying he just wants to get to "that's why socialism doesn't work" .
Funny thing is to do that he wants to use the exemple of a private business's mismanagement, he doesn't get that if, as he puts it, a bunch of idiots got to management positions it is precisely a consequence of capitalism not of socialism.
Unless of course he believes that the financial industry is socialism ...in which case I'd suggest he might usefully study Marx's economical theory stuff...in a digestible format since I do not believe he'd have the patience for the original works (I never have and yet I suspect I'm way more patient that he ever was).
Why does this guy give off “the drop-out of high school to sell drugs” vibe?
Kudos on the achievement, David. First person I've seen pull off being a debater, moderator, interpreter, and comedian all at once. Hats off to you! Or many hats on you.
Excellent comment 😊 nailed it
David my favorite line in this debate was when you said "what im struggling with Patrick, like everything im saying is just being relayed to me, usually interrupting me incorrectly, so now I'm having to clean up what you think I said to then answer the original thing." I think this sums up the whole debate. Masterful, thank you for the content.
This is like 95% of debates with right-leaning people to be fair lol
@@brandonkohler6296 nah bro, this is the right & left and you know it lol I would say the left is much worse about this and you would say the right is. Pakman was playing dumb a lot in this debate, acting like he didn’t know where PBD was going. Either way man, have a good oone and one love✌🏾✌🏾
Bet-david clown is too fool of his own self. Just say things once. Then shut up and listen.
This is every single PBD interview. Doesn't like to talk about data at all.
@@AudricMorrison yeah, you're wrong. If you're on the right you're most likely wrong about everything.
PBD: "If you don't think THIS, then you MUST think THAT!"
DP: "No, I don't think THIS or THAT"
PBD: "Well, then If you don't think THAT , then you MUST think THIS!"
DP: "Still, No, I don't think THIS or THAT"
And around we go.
I like PBD overall, he is principled on free speech and lets his guests get there say. That said, he really isn't that bright of a dude. He not only misstates his guests, I think he genuinely doesn't understand the concepts he is being presented half the time. A lot goes over his head.
@@auditoryproductions1831 Well said
@@auditoryproductions1831 did he let Pakman actually get his say? Or did he keep trying to black and white Pakman's viewpoints when he also presented facts?
@@NA-kr5uq A bit of both. PBD tried to present the most polarized archetype of what David was trying to say but he didn't interrupt David as David spoke. Just misrepresented it with his responses.
@@auditoryproductions1831 Totally. He completely misses simple things and mistates them and calls his guests naive. Its pretty wild sometimes how off he is. His interviews with reza and tyson were pretty bad at certain points as well. For example when he claims Florida handled covid better than most states because the NBA held their season there, but ignores hospitalizations rates or any other data relevant to public health response during a pandemic.
YOU WERE SO GOOD!!! I came to watch this again after seeing Brian Taylor Cohen's tweet about Biden and drugs. PBD was an idiot in this debate and you were so strong.
This was painful to listen to and I can only imagine how painful it was to actually sit through as the one being grilled. Such unnecessary arrogance and aggression from PBD, bloody hell…
I pushed through because I think this interview was really important and your cool, calm and collected approach was a real lesson in how to debate bad faith actors. Well done, truly impressive interview on your part, David!
PBD is extremely hard right and vindictive. His anger and certainty give away he is freightened
and angry at his mom
To add any comment is as difficult as debating this guy. As usual, the RWNJ is combative.
RWNJs lack credibility because his method is bullying. Never ends with solutions
David held his views well. I believe I would follow his lead before RWNJ's.
That was actually a great appearance, David. I hope you get a ton of viewers and subscribers from this
PDB asks right away about us not being feared, shows you how this conversation is gonna go.
A lot of conservatives are just sorta dim when it comes to politics, lets be honest here.
He thinks Trump is Rambo
Patrick doesn't listen. And he doesn't understand the correlation between government debt and its economic growth. David hasn't finished even one sentence without being interrupted with Patrick's trying to redefine what David is saying. Patrick THINKS he understands but he doesn't and he doesn't want to learn. How can I tell? Because he won't listen long enough to learn.
🎯 🎯 🎯 🎯 🎯 🎯
@weaverdna I don’t think that you understand that wasteful spending has nothing to do with economic growth. You guys have the dumbest arguments. You are saying that rising government debt and wasteful spending don’t matter as long as economic growth is happening. That is idiotic. Imagine if we invested without all the waste. The economy would grow much quicker. Look at all of the examples of wasteful government projects. The 325 million dollar raft (that sunk) they built in Gaza is a perfect example of government spending. There are countless examples of over taxing, and seeing no results. How did California go from a financial surplus to 80 billion in debt? Did they fix the state with all that money or is addiction, homelessness, and crime up? I hope you are just playing dumb. You are literally misrepresenting reality. The government wastes sooo much money, and they keep asking for more. This argument is idiotic.
Growth > interest cost means it may make sense. The issue is debt as a % of GDP continues to go up. This means paying down debt without liquidating the equity in the economy becomes hard over time.
In the US debt as a % is increasing. Which means output growth in the economy is growing slower than the debt base. And it’s over 100%.
And don’t get me started on the generalizations. Pakman neatly divides Trump supporters into four camps, like he's sorting M&Ms by color. Newsflash: people are complex. They’re not just lining up behind Trump because of a single soundbite they liked.
So, if Pakman’s critique of Bet-David is a rollercoaster, it’s one with some thrilling drops and a few loops that don’t quite land.
Gosh the way this Patrick guy derailed every every answer with useless semantic tangents was FRUSTRATING. Peak undergrad poli sci kid who ends up going into finance.
Yeah he and his mind got lost - he went into a pyramid scheme
I saw the whole podcast and was so frustrated by his inability to listen and understand what you were trying to say. You handled it SOOOOO well and was impressed given the circumstances ❤👍
It is so irritating how hostile he was to pakman but gives conservatives no pushback
The guy is a right-winger, so that isn't too surprising.
Should come as no surprise, he's a partisan hack. He just had Roger Stone on lol
he's a lunatic. He doesn't even believe in democracy. He has repeatedly said that he only wants certain people ('who contribute to society') to be able to vote.
This is some dangerous deranged shit
I don't find him hostile actually. He strikes me as your standard high school friend on FB who stopped their education there, never learned much after that, and consequently has an overly simplistic, visceral, almost solipsistic worldview on every topic. However, he does actually let his guests speak in detail (unlike say Fox News hosts), and so sets up a lot of easy rebuttals for semi-intelligent people.
@@trtnec Yeah, he fills the normie, low info commentator role well. Patrick has no business talking politics, because once you dig an inch beneath surface level stuff, it's really obvious to everyone that he's clueless.
$75K per year on a 30-hour work week? This guy must have been an amazing salesman.
Patrick strikes me as someone who will sell a $1.80 bottle of dishwashing detergent to his own mother for $84 and talk for 22 minutes telling her how good it is. Then sign her up for a bottle every 2 weeks. 🤦♀️
And then call anyone who doesn’t like it a communist.
@@missinterpretation4984
Exactly
He’s a scam artist
Well he did build and run an MLM that pays half standard commissions in the industry
"socialism is when a corporation fires people to try to increase profits"
Man that was painful. The Republican party has done such a good job making words meaningless that people can't even discuss ideas.
SAD
My brain is still sore.....
When I heard that, my head almost exploded! I think part of the issue is they either didn't fully listen to or didn't understand some of what Mr Pakman was saying. I dunno.
Pat said he wanted to stay on circuit city many times.
Straight up difficult to watch to be honest.
his cohost was waving his arms like "I give up" 15 minutes into it.... it's cringe fuel.
Everytime you said his name "Patrick" was like a mother using their child's middle name while giving them a stern talking.
You did brilliantly, David.
I watch both you and PBD religiously and I've always dreamed of you going on their and running circles around him and Adam.
Bravo, David!
Highly embarrassed for Patrick. This was an excercise is avoiding the question and strawmanning the response one-sided on Patrick.
PBD has an instinct for knowing when his question is about to hurt him. He stops the guest from answering and shifts.
David, your dialogue with this man, on HIS show, HIS topics, answering as accurately as possible, HIS questions, is exactly why I love listening to you.
Thank-you, and good health, to you and your family.
Also, I scrolled the comment section on HIS channel and couldn't find anyone not praising David.
Who is that weird guys sidekick?
hahahahahhhahhhahhaHh
@@EnricoFantiniit’s crazy the lack of criticism in the comments. I only seem to see it on channels that are very similar to this one. I look for many different views from many different channels but don’t see the level of praise and lack of awareness in the comments unless it’s a very uninformed or misinformed channel that speaks so confidently on issues and seems to lack logical and rational thinking. I’m blown away every time I see such a supportive comment section with seemingly no dissent or actual discussion on issues. The algorithm is dangerous
@@dylhas1 Exactly. And these Valuetainment hosts are no better than their viewers. I just watched their 24-minute video "Winners and Losers From the GOP Presidential Debate" and I kid you not - there was NO mention of policy at all. They talked about TV ratings, Christie's weight, DeSantis' height, Hutchinson's hair, Scott's lack of black people swag, compared the candidates with MMA fighters and of course kissed up to Elon Musk and Trump throughout the video. It's all style and no substance. It's scary how popular CZcamsrs like PBD are for simply speaking confidently and making superficial comments about politicians, plus baseless conspiracy theories.
The fact he accused you of interrupting him is really hilarious. Dude does nothing but interrupt, straw man, ignore and deflect. He couldn’t deal with how you handle these discussions. Well done David
His computer surfing & eating his gummy vitamins was rude. When I first started listening I was a bit confused by the initials I thought it was PAB rather than PBD. lol David was so composed... as usual.
The fact that Packman said he wants Pete Buttigieg to be president was by far funnier.
@@randyrandhawa5347
It's either that or a blatant fascist
“ Capitalism has a visible cost - profit - that does not exist under socialism, socialism has an invisible cost - inefficiency - that gets weeded out by losses and bankruptcy under capitalism. “
-Thomas Sowell
@@joshhoodrat451
Uncle Thomas sowell is just an ancap who sounds white enough for other whites to support lmao
It’s truly amazing when you read the comments on David-Bet Patrick’s CZcams channel how completely different the perspective of his audiences is.
Yes. There are two types of people. I thought David Pakman is using tactics, dishonest tactics. If you watch any conversations involving David Pakman, they always go this way.
@@darylmixan8170 I see this all the time when people complain about "tactics" or overall slimy moves but nobody ever gives examples. It's all fine and well that you want to have that opinion but if you want to sway me onto your side you need examples of the dastardly deeds and explanations as to why they're dishonest. General, blanket statements aren't good enough.
@@Neon_LotusIt's my statement, not necessarily a blanket. When I list "dishonest tactics" you'll want me to explain them... When I explain them, you'll ask my "why?" And then go into sources and my education. But I'll say a blanket few... - David's constant asking of 'polls' and 'evidence' on subjects he doesn't want to talk about. David asking "who?, which Liberal?" PBD says "many of them" David says "who?" PBD mentions the Liberal CIA guy, and before PBD says another word David says "well that's ONE, right" implicating that PBD doesn't prove anything because it's one... The tactic of rambling and putting his hands out like blockers like "don't cut in, I am just trying to cover my tracks here" Constantly, Constantly pleading ignorance with even simple opinion questions like "Trump invented the 4th one?, you don't think other presidents had the 4th?" "You don't think people voted for Obama just because he was black?" "So you don't believe voters voted against Trump as opposed to voting for Biden?" Pakman is saying "I don't know, I don't have the polls in front of me" David when he is solo on his podcasts dishes out opinions and rhetoric all day long(but the subject is controlled by him) But here he is careful to choose his words wisely and don't go down a road where he is required to give an opinion. The back and forth when PBD is asking him if he ever loaned somebody money, car, bike etc... PBD was making it clear he was going with an analogy, but David was acting mousey saying no no no no no... All because his ego is so sensitive... I could rewatch it and tell you more... But I watch Pakman and PBD, and PBD's podcast is pretty free flowing with conversation, disagreements,opinions, and facts... but you can tell the guest and PBD are honestly approaching the banter... With David, he's holding back, being dishonest, using tactics... Its like watching a person being depositioned... they are giving up the least amount of info as possible, they are playing ignorant, acting like they forgot, using adjectives to make themselves look better, and when something is positive for them, they remember everything and want to talk talk talk.
@@Neon_LotusBut I understand the reason David does this. He has pigeoned holed himself into the Super Woke, Republican Bashing, Trump hating, The Right are all racist hillbilly doomsday gun psychos... and he found his audience using that extreme rhetoric, and it's made him a multi multi millionaire. It's the same exact strategy Rush Limbaugh invented, it's CNN/FOX NEWS, Glen Beck, Don Lemon, Sean Hannity, and David Pakman, pump up the culture war using division and Hate as your main weapons... So that being said, as a political content creator he cannot say anything remotely good about the Right, and he cannot say anything negative about the cult following rules the Woke Left need to abide by or he will be cast away. He made a caricature of himself... and it pays him extrememly well!
@@Neon_LotusI didn't even go into David Pakman's total avoidance (and he does this on his podcast) the total avoidance of talking about the Democratic Party... He'll rarely talk about Biden, or Biden's presidency, the party's plans, the border, the baby killing, or the child mutilation with body modifying... Its sad that the Woke Left has to agree that these are great ideas... I always wonder what supporters would think if it was the other side's main issue. Abortion, for example, if the Right was dead set on celebrating killing fetuses, I always wonder if the WOKE LEFT would be out there standing shoulder to shoulder celebrating killing babies like they do now. I highly doubt it... and vice versa... When you think of what would happen given the opposite, and you think "no way" That's propaganda poisoning my friend. Both sides... The puppet masters have Woke Liberals and MAGA right where they want them. They are mirror images of themselves. WOKE LIBERAL = MAGA. Both brainwashed.
Hats off for you David, that you take on these interviews! We are rooting for you from the Netherlands. I have been following you, btc and meidas touch for a long time and I am glad that you are all here to tell the truth
Excellent conversation, David! You did great against these clowns. 👍
“I have undergraduate and graduate degrees in economics.”
“That’s concerning too.”
“That probably means I know less in your mind.”
Had me dying. So funny
To be fair, PBD does it in the real world, which holds so much more weight. I don’t care how well my doctor does in a classroom, how does he apply that to successfully treating patient’s. Just my .02🤷🏾♂️
@@AudricMorrison being a business owner and the skills that make someone successful in doing that has little to do with understanding economics which is on a country-worldwide basis. pbd using his limited personal experience to explain everything shows hes incredibly close minded. probably why this guy literally misinterpreted and misconstrued every statement by pakman lmao.
you mirror pbd by using analogy that dont fit at all. economics is an academic field of using wide level analysis. like history or political science. the whole point is to understand large trends looking through history to see the mechanics of how an economy works over time. looking and studying those gives an understanding of the mechanics of the economy. when you say he does it in the real world? pbd does what? the study of economics? no you mean he makes money. which i would say making that conflation shows an inability to see nuance like literally at all but whatever lmao. they both make a lot more money than we do buddy ill tell you that much these guys are both very successful entrepreneurs who provide jobs to people
this is LITERALLY ANALOGOUS if you argued a extreme badass veteran solider had a better understanding of the history of war than a war historian because he was really good at war. if you said the badass vet knows more about war i would agree yes. because he lived in it. but that doesn't mean he could stop a war from happening. the war historian would have a lot more information on that. this is why expertise in things is important.
id say pbd probably knows more about money than pakman cuz i assume he got more. but pakman understands alot more about economy on the contry wide world wide level. and thus his opionion would be a lot more informed going when evaluating the policies the government puts in place. pbd is too stupid to differentiate literally anything. sorry but his brain is a soup with lettered noodles in it, for this guy to have any brevity in trying to critically look at economy in a serious way i think it would be impossible. he literally just jumps straight to taxes are bad, despite being happy for safety and good things they allow. any person whos smart could see hey if we all bundle together for health care, schooling etc we have a lot more bargaining power and collectively get a better deal. this is what happens in most european contries today. this is why americans every day drive to canada because medicine or treatment as a whole is much cheaper. despite them being way poorer than us on the whole the people all live much better lives hear in america where were saddled with stupid high amounts of debt.
@@BingoBangoB0NGO8 thanks
Absolutely mind numbing. David P has the patience of a saint! PBD refuses to listen and understand. Either he is thicker than mommas molasses or he refuses to accept being incorrect.
I think it's always so important to point out manipulation tactics in a conversation. These are extremely common in people with disordered personalities and extremely difficult to overcome unless you are extremely prepared.
P.S. I think you did a fantastic job navigating all the twists, turns, and circles. You could immediately identify and call out the tactics. And you always had an answer. Whenever you put them on defense, and posed a question, they didn't really have a response. Or dead silence. And you rarely if ever fell into the traps. I would love to be that quick-witted.
"You can't find data on fear".... what?
“With your intelligence, imagine what you could do if you looked up the things I look up”
Absolutely roasted him David 😂
The funniest part is, I don’t think he understood what he meant 😂
I had a hard time figuring out whether PBT was deflecting or if he didn't understand. It was painful.
That was hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣
This was not an attempt to roast him. It was a jab back from what Pat said to him before that.
This is a testament to David's intelligence and wit. I love his humor.
I simply can't imagine any honest person with two brain cells watching this and not seeing how much smarter David Packman is than PBD. It's like in every exchange, PBD is struggling to think through all the chess moves and trying so hard to mold DP''s words into arguments he feels more secure with. He knows David Packman is owning him and he's so frustrated.
Never seen someone so intellectually outmatched as Patrick was to David here. On a meta level you could feel Patrick’s energy and rhetoric switch as David continued to keep up with the Gish-galloping and clap back from Patrick’s ad hominems. Definitely hurt Pats ego. What a masterful job Mr Parkman
I've watched segments of this. It's another of those times when someone is being so clearly schooled, but they're so clueless they don't even know it, and probably think they're schooling you. It's just so ridiculous. I've watched you for a while, but I was really, really impressed by your knowledge and ability to present it. Great job. I still ended up being informed and learning things, even though 50% of the words were from an uninformed...person.
I’ve enjoyed watching David Packman but my TikTok addled mind really didn’t think I could watch over an hour of this discussion. Over the past hour my level of respect for this man has been raised exponentially!
His tolerence/patience is infinitly greater than mine. THAT IS FOR SURE!
David, please keep debating these types. Your patience is incredible. Thank you 🙏🏼
Whenever the Patrick guys says, “Let’s just say”, then we are headed down a very long path to the absolute destination of nowhere.
Or when he says, "I'm curious where you're going with this." Instead of just answering Pakman's question. It's because, on some level, PBD can intuit that he's about to get intellectually dunked on, so instead of just logically answering the question, he has to give a cowardly non-answer like, "I'm curious where you're going with this."
So true. It’s an intellectually dishonest conversation.
He takes packbum where he doesn't wanna go... to the inevitable conclusion of his returded ideas. He demonstrated his remarkable ability towards denial and a lack of ability when he advocates for the same policies that destroyed Argentina. Instead of taking accountability he goes "muh nazis" "muh facists" "muh far right" he ain't different from that other soyjack hasanabi.
Insert Drake meme:
Actual statistics and facts - GET THAT SHIT AWAY
Hypotheticals and personal anecdotes - MORE OF THAT, PLEASE
But when dumbbell Adam does the same meandering nonsense, Ben-Gurion upbraids Adam?
David - "Shouldn't we use taxes to feed children?"
PBD - "Who is your favorite comedian?"
😂😂😂😂
David- ‘Shouldn’t we use taxes to feed kids?’
PBD- ‘Not w/o accountability for tax revenue’
@@tcolley that's just no with more words
Especially funny seeing as the right can’t do comedy. Literally no relevant conservative “comedians” lol. not one
The dude's a joke! David says something reasonable with data or poll backing, and the idiot asks about irrelevant bs, or says David is saying something David definitely didn't say.
Patrick got very defensive and angry about a third of the way through, and it just fell apart from there. It seemed pretty clear he was frustrated that he wasn't getting the upper hand, and he started taking a bullying tone.
Funny, cuz Pat accused David of doing the bullying 😀
It’s like when a salesman knows you aren’t buying their bs and start to get mad about that because they are used to their spiel always working
The worst was when David pointed out the hypocrisy in PBD being concerned with what China, Russia and Iran thought of the US President while NOT caring about what our allies (Germany, France, Sweden etc.) thought about the US President. That whole section went over PBD's head.
@@auditoryproductions1831 And what is PBD using to determine how Communist countries feel about any given POTUS or even topic?
EXACTLY!! He wouldn't answer David's questions because he would've been shown to be wrong and his ego wouldn't let that happen! 💯
Why is Patrick asking his guest to recall numbers, when Patrick can have his useless sidekick simply google it? I mean, Joe Rogan constantly has his useful sidekick looking up stuff. Joe doesn’t ridicule his guest for not memorizing statistics. Patrick is ridiculous for behaving this way.
What made it ridiculous was expecting David to know stats off the top of his head for something Patrick said! 😂
PBD thinks being good at business means being good in everything else. He actually believes he killed this interview.
How David doesn't get pissed that they keep misconstruing him... The patience within you, David... Oof
Na... David just keeps jumping around to try to get away from defending his point
@@billybarnes1763 No he doesn't. He keeps having to re-explain what his statements.
@@wilez3219 yep... To fit the questioning. Exactly.
@@billybarnes1763 You're the exact reason we should have forced IQ tests to be able to have an opinion on anything.
@@JB-mh5xy says the totalitarian.
Most of the show this guy was trying to put words on your mouth. I was having a hard time understanding what he was trying to say. You did good David👍
He had no message at all, he seemimgly tried to trigger David into a bad clip. They had two interviewers, and the Patrick guy most was certainly reading his staff's notes on how to interrupt/badger/derail David.
Bravo David !! You were the only reason anyone watching this continued till the end.Listening to Patrick was brutal .Never again !!
I refuse to watch anything with P.B.D. full stop. I am elated that someone whose content I can trust, has finally called him out. Thank you for your courage & for sharing, as we all know he is a crybaby. I have waited a long time for this moment, bitter sweet.
I mean he’s a pretty solid dude. It’s ok to listen to people you don’t agree with at times.
It was the most painful thing to listen too (save anything with Trump speaking)
I just think Patrick should stick to Sammy The Bull interviews. Doesn’t require an extensive amount f research and a heavy demand on the facts. He can ask Sammy an open-ended question and allow Sammy to tell the story. Less talk is more with Patrick.
@@Ruder6163That's funny.
@@Ruder6163he’s not a solid dude, keeps gaslighting the guest and doesn’t answer right away because he afraid of a gotcha moment, lol
This is me trying to explain even a very basic concept to my uncle during Thanksgiving and he goes on a wild ass tangent.
Somewhere on a different CZcams channel your uncle is making the same exact comment about you.
If this doesn’t encapsulate politics in 2023 idk what does
That’s the true struggle haha. By the time they’ve made the third insane statement you’ve completely forgotten what you were talking about in the first place. 😂
@@douglasschrift4453 lol 😂
@@douglasschrift4453 I see the political content that right wing uncles consume and it is completely devoid of policy or political philosophy. They are rooting for a football team.
@@mrburns805 and you think you aren't? You're rooting for a particular generation, a socioeconomic class, a subset of the population who consumes certain content on the internet. If you weren't, then you wouldn't dismiss millions of males of a certain age using one amorphous label such as "right wing". What does right wing mean? Are they evangelical Christians, Irish Catholics, Zionist Jews, working class West Virginians, hedgefund investors, Marine Corps veterans, constitutional scholars?
I'm not familiar with that show, but man, what an incredibly frustrating way of having a conversation. You did very well there David.
Have they been diagnosed for ADHS?
They ask David a question, interrupt him after a minute tops, change topic and ask him a wholly different question. The begin had a bit of focus... but they forget their trains of thought the moment David starts talking and constantly mis-represented whatever David said.
@@Enyavar1 yup, and I bet some people think he's a genius when he can't focus like that. Like "oh man he's too quick" when really the dummy gets impatient when he doesn't hear what he wants to hear and has to entertain himself with something else immediately. He's a freaking meat head.
@Enyavar Nathis David would make absurd claims many anecdotal, then when asked for the data or the polls he got flustered and offended, even though he is meant to be the expert. David was happy to do the same thing earlier when constantly challenging an obvious point being made by Patrick.
@@CanadianLoveKnot David was doing the same thing as David there? 🤨 You may have mistyped once, did you?
@Enyavar Nathis no. David was challenging Patrick to provide data on banal points that didn't need to be challenged. But didn't like it when Patrick decided to push back and ask for the data or a poll.
One of the most painful interviews I’ve ever heard. David you have the patience of a saint. Head Bang Wall!!!
David is my best friend in my head. He gets these conservatives like Patrick together all day long.
"We don't have your intelligence"
The one thing Patrick said that made sense.
Patrick might have said that in a sarcastic way because sometimes David comes off as an Elitist , or can talk condescending to people (although he has every right because he is well read and knowledgeable), however - in this context with Patrick , David was not able to have a normal down to earth conversation with someone who is not well verse in Politics as he is. So David came off an too nerdy who only cares about exact studied and data, almost Robotic. Patrick could not relate to him on a basic level, not as well as he related to Kyle Kulinski on a previous Interview.
Why does he keep on speaking in rhetoric and analogies? He wanted a conversation about policy and he's making these allusions to lending friends bikes? 😂 😂 😂
This guy is an incredible clown. Just say what you have a problem with so he can respond!
@@Jester2b04 When you put a normal person next to a complete idiot..... the normal person will appear to be an 'elitist'.
Since Patrick is demonstrably at a very low level, the only option is talking down to him. There is no reason for David to pretend to be at such a low level.
@@Factory400 good point 👉
@@cameronfair2397 he has a hidden agenda behind all this podcast BS! He just doing it to get attention bc he’s MLM company a complete copy of WFG’s builders system, vision and mission. He basically pulled a Ray Croc on the founders of WFG. Ed Mylett is one of them. Maybe you’ve heard of him. Anyways, Pat is trying to become the financial online guru so when this recession hits hard, he’s going to advertise it as it’s the hottest thing since slice bread and bc ppl love him they gonna fall into his lap and make him super off the recruiting fees.. bc that’s what he wanted to do at WFG, he wanted to get paid for each recruit, kinda like a gym membership. And WFG said NO! That’s very MLM and that’s illegal.
So he left in 09. But his MLM company is exactly the same freaking thing! All he did was become a Social media guy to get attention. He needs to be exposed in 2023.
Man, it is so clear when people are more focused on the sensation winning, than understanding.
I feel dumber for having listened to Patrick - David is awesome - 28 minutes in and I could not carry on.
I’m at 43min and it’s been unbearable for a while now. Giving up.
So frustrating that this guy, the moderator will not allow David to complete a thought. This shows his insecurities and fear of David's mind.
What's even more frustrating is watching David pakman dance around giving straight answers.
@@Orchaisama Funny, that's your impression. He's always straight up giving straight answers and tries his best to be honest and consistent. I guess you're unfamiliar with that strategy.
@@Richard-vh3uf If that's the impression you got from David, then he fooled you too. You must train yourself on how to recognize the speech of a weasel when you hear them.
You have to be reallllly insecure to be afraid of David Pakman’s mind 😂
You'd have to be convinced there is such a thing@@donkeykong4712
Not an easy job with those idiots there. I think David did pretty well. Keep in mind those idiots *know* the questions before they ask them and only David does not. So they are prepared for each and every reply David might give. Considering that he did an amazing job.
PBD - "I am unhappy with ANY social programs"
DP - "ok, which one specifically?"
PBD - "ANY"
DP - "You're against all then?"
PBD - "Not all"
DP - "THEN WHICH ONES?!?!?!?!"
PBD has a hard time with basic comprehension.
PBD does.. lololl
That's not even how the conversation went. He asked PBD which one he was unhappy with, PBD said any of them, then David switched the wording around asked that he must be against all of them, when PBD didn't even say that. He just said he was not happy with them, not against them. This is the problem with people today, specifically with people on the left. Selective hearing, then accusing the other of somethinf different when tryinf to trap the other side. Selective hearing is dangerous, buddy.
Cool part was that he then listed 4
Patrick thinks because he reads a lot of books that it means he is good at reading comprehension and logical reasoning. He’s not good at analytical thinking.
This is a textbook example of brilliant rhetoric by David. He does such a good job of not getting flustered, giving his sometimes mean-spirited interviewer the benefit of the doubt, and presenting his views in a positive way while trying to reach agreement whenever possible. Bravo!
I don't watch PBD but his interview style seems to be all over the place, particularly when challenged (by you.)
He's just a pretty dumb guy in general. You could see in his facial expression how he was trying to process the things David said.... and the entire conversation about the government being like a private household really drove the point home.
I believe Patrick is a grifter. I believe he simultaneously throws out facts and opinions.
@@tundrastreaming Oh god that was like nails on a chalkboard that segment. Few right-wingers actually understand how government spending and debt works.
He’s INSANE. Has he EVER played Football before???? His debate strategy makes him seem like he’s had MULTIPLE concussions before.
Swing independents are not always libertarians.
So many times Patrick refused to even cede one basic thing that David would ask him, and instead would just say “I’m curious where you’re going with this” even when the answer was obviously “yes I agree” just says a lot about his ego.
Dude literally spends more time asking his inane, winding, tangential questions than he allows guests to answer, and has the gall to be curt when someone tries to explain/ask something in a simple format he would better understand. Incredible.
You put it perfectly.... "With your intelligence imagine what you could do if you looked up the things that I look up" (i.e. FACTS) lol classic
PBS has scammer vibes
Those guys got absolutely ratioed in thier own comments section. You nailed it david. You performed so well
David you did a great job. I felt like PDB kept trying to move the discussion to his structured talking gotcha points but could never get there. The patience you had with dealing with his ramblings was also amazing. Hats off to you!
If a republican did that, you would be mad and be calling David out for deflecting the questions. But you're a dick rider so you don't care.
PBD is an absolute bullshit artist who has money and would never check his facts cuz he just gives orders and all his employees kiss his ass whether he’s wrong or right. And he’s so wrong and its been documented for years and the dude still has a following because he has $$$.
I actually need to thank PDB for leading me to David. Oh my word, PDB is so cringe in this discourse.
In Canada tuitions aren't paid for by the government but tuitions are dramatically lower and everyone can decide which university to attend.
Patrick's problem is pretty obvious. He doesn't have conversations, he plays word chess. He's thinking 3 moves ahead to try and figure your argument out before you even make it, but he keeps being wrong and it just derails the conversation every time he tries to call you out for an argument you're not trying to make. If he would just _listen_ instead of waiting for his turn to talk, he'd do better.
Patrick’s book is literally called “Your Next Five Moves.” You nailed it on the head. I read the book too… he has a section in the book where he hypes himself on preparing for a negotiation. So yes.. he was already trying to out word chess David even though Pakman was just trying to have a conversation.
@@djhugov1 He isn't that smart. Sorry. He didn't impress me one bit. He's full of anecdotes and wrong headed thinking.
@@JB19504 if we’re talking about Patrick, then yes I agree with you.
Bingo!
@@JB19504I mean he built a very successful business dawg 😢
"They COULDN'T care less."- David Pakman 🤣 I love it. That's a huge pet peeve for mine, and I do exactly the same thing.
I really don't get why people even make that mistake lol
My mom says that and it drives me nuts. When something is very special to her she says, "I wouldn't give anything for that." 😖
So funny 😂😂😂
How PBD goes into an “example” or “equivalency” and somehow after 15 mins it’s no where near analogous is his biggest super power.
David you kept your cool he was nothing but aggressive towards you in the interview. I always admire how you break things down and explain you point of view and you bring receipts with you well done!
PBD was downright dispectful for a lot of the interview and Pakman handled it extremely well. PBD is used to his smooth ways winning arguments for him. Pakman doesn't play that crap and comes with data which PBD claims he's all about, but is actually all about feels and conspiracies. I've watched a lot of his stuff lately and he'd be cool if he dropped the Trump and conspiracy stuff. I'm sure the conspiracy and Trump stuff are what bring him views though so he'll keep banging that drum til the well runs dry 😒
You are so right!!
How many times did Patrick use "you are being silly crap?" Why you do this?
🤐🤣@@seattlehometown4018
Bet-David was so triggered by facts and David's calm demeanor. I think David did a pretty decent job trying to get back on track from the constant derails and Gish gallops!
he got triggered the moment David said that Trump is a joke 😁
No, you are Mark, not David...
I was actually taken aback, and thought it was lowly that BPD tried going after Pakman's mother as a commie, and that Pakman is a small boned man.
David didn't skip a beat.
What's cool if you go on their site, More people defend David then those guys.
Exactly! He kept talking over David Pakman when he's trying to explain his point.
I've never seen an interviewer struggle so much to follow the conversation he was dominating.
Wait, I watched the whole thing, was there an interview??
All I saw was a ritalin-jacked child trying to derail David's explanations.
PBD had a VERY rough time following the conversation.
You triggered him early in the conversation and it just went downhill from there 😂
That was a brilliant debate with PBD and his co-host, hats off to you 🧙♂️👏
First time watching this David Pakman really impressed me I'll definitely check out is show
David owned this guy within the first 30 minutes. You could tell there was a point by the reaction on Patrick’s face that he knew it was over.
Basic follow up questions were met with aggression and anecdotes instead of factual rebuttals.
@@phanatic215 It's not really that abnormal as conservatives typically value personal experience and anecdotes to inform their view on the world versus highly educated liberals that just know a lot more stuff. There's differences in the brain structure of highly liberal people vs. conservative as well.
@@squirrelsinjacket1804 I saw that a lot of younger conservatives that go to college end up becoming wayyyy less conservative because their college classes expanded their knowledge and experience
@@palmeragana2073 You mean 'liberal indoctrination' as right wingers call it
@@palmeragana2073 liberals go off facts and actual evidence. Conservatives go off of talking points, personal experiences that they would conflate to a world-view, and 'i heard this' rhetoric that wasn't ever researched or fact checked
David, sir, if you go look at the comments on their channels you are getting better near universal praise. This dude went out of his way to misstate everything you were saying and you did a commendable job of trying to catch him in those instances.
This was a really good conversation! Good to hear two different perspectives without yelling. Good show
Pakman drove this conversation into the ground.
PBD is proof that society and human nature rewards the people who live at the peak of the first wave in the Dunning Kruger effect. He’s not sophisticated on much of anything but speaks with confidence on almost everything and people listen. It’s a sad reality that this type of person can become wildly successful before they receive pushback
You said what I have been trying to say without ever finding the words and while managing to NOT resort to insults (which is in itself an wccomplishnent in these days and times) salute !
@@Nyabinghi101 thank you! I think it aligns well with the guy. To be fair, he’s a decent conversationalist and he’s not a dumb dumb but he’s clever enough to evade the need to ever really learn more.
@@PTPalmer_NPC oh no.. he’s a dummy. He just speaks eloquently and avoids getting heated. He knows nothing about any topics. Even when he has guys on he agrees with.
This seems to be true. Because in practise having an strong conviction makes you take action. At the end, that is all that counts. Taking action vs not taking action.
Agreed entirely . PBD shows what confidence can get you on the right
Watched this on the other guys channel. It was incredibly frustrating.
I agree, I never heard of PBE previously, even though it was frustrating at times, I would say now a fan of PBE in general. They need to to this more, in my opinion. These kind of long form debates that have a casual atmosphere are completely missing from cable news, which is a huge missed opportunity. Best case if these are done regularly they can attract huge swaths from the right and left and impart primarily how to healthily disagree to viewers and constructively move forward. But that is something that will be a side product of a meaningful conversation.
Not to mention how to think through hotbutton issues to arrive at logical conclusions.
PBD constantly interrupts, changes the topic, misconstrues, misstates, straw mans, or just doesn’t interpret what David is saying, and it’s impossible to have a functional conversation with someone doing those things.
It's amazing how confident people can be despite knowing nothing
PBD: "More for me... More for me... More for me..."
DP: "There are other people too..."
PBD: "More for me."
Him: "You are living in a fantasy and maybe that's why you don't understand economics."
David: "....I have undergraduate and graduate degrees in economics."
😂
😦🤦♂️
He made 100’s of millions from starting his own company and being self built.
@user-tp1tw7gg3u and...? That's an individual achievement not a societal achievement which is exactly what Pakman pointed out. Individual business is microeconomics. Pakman is talking macroeconomics, the subject was too big for PBD. BTW, those 100 million, how much came from the MSM People Helping People pyramid scheme?
@@bplayerr1 I feel you 100% man. And David very calmly dismantled Pat, leaving him unusually flummoxed and off balance. And yes, of course, macroeconomics trumps microeconomics at scale! Also PBD thinks most capitalists and business people and entrepreneurs are as "good", "fair", "nice"and "just" as he is. He did make his money by showing up, sacrificing for the American dream and seems to have done well for himself.
That said, calling PHP a pyramid scheme may not be fair...
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The sidekick to PBD doesn’t know that Hillary is center left???
Pakman's ability to keep Patrick Ben-Gurion from mischaracterizing his views was his single biggest strength in this conversation. PBG always defaults to this tactic, and DP took it away from him.
Rhetorical torture. Well done, David. You were very patient and showed some real class
Remove the "some".
Bpd was trigger and got mad because david told the truth about trumps voters on how a hollow brain they have. Bpd was mad and got butt hurt. Bdp butt was swollen 😫 😩 😕 after the show.
So much class!!
I'm 1000 times more aggravated than David right now! This guy is a bully and not as smart as he thinks he is - Dunning Kruger, definitely!
Yeah, I love that he said you seem silly! Instead of stupid!
Even their own audience dunked on them, and if that‘s the case, you know they were particularly terrible…
Wake up this dudes comments are filtered 😂
David, you missed a real opportunity to explain to PBD that there is not a poll for every question he can frame.
It is truly amazing that PBD always messes up what David said when he re-asks questions
I've never seen this show before, but this Patrick guy loves to hear himself talk
He definitely has a high opinion of his opinions
I might have left when mr. roids said stop interrupting him and he's bein attacked by two "jews".
@@larryforbes6718 I definitely felt my eyes widen when I heard that part
@@larryforbes6718 He didn't have to say that. Jeez.
I watched this show multiple times when other “leftist” and Neil deGrassen Tyson was on and the fact they present themselves as articulate, “well read” and can, minimally agree against their own party’s political rhetoric, there’s this false bravado that they can be open minded librarians.
I have never seen an interviewer try so hard to "gotcha". You did a great job of holding your ground. Enjoy your channel.
He is a con man
The PBD guys are twerps. That's all they try to do.
I dont think it was so much a "gotcha" as it was clarifying what Davids points and views were. It also showed his real life knowledge.
Pbd is unbearable to listen to in these long format interviews, ever moving goal posts and twisting everything to reach for his “gotcha” moments
boy is FIASCO the right word for this show!!! i watched this guy with steve schmidt and it became a FIASCO too. [ look for that episode ]
David, you did a great job and handled this "business guru" with way more patience than he deserves. He runs a pyramid scheme here in Florida, what a surprise right? Patrick was visibly frustrated with how well spoken you are, the points you were making, and when he couldn't bully you. Thanks for the content!
Looks like the bully got bullied
I understand you don’t agree with PBD’s politics, but he comes actoss as a fairly reasonable guy overall, one of the few who will chat/debate as much as possible with left leaning personalities. What is this pyramid scheme you refer to?? Not calling you a liar, I’m genuinly curious to the specifics as PBD “seems” honest🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@@AudricMorrison Patrick has no business in politics he’s an MLM guy. The main reason ( I think ) hes forced himself in this position is so ppl look at him as a leader of the right wing ppl and left wing ppl, so when he opens up about his hidden agenda ( his MLM company) ppl will pay to join his Company bc he strategically manipulated his way as the face of politics. David exposed him, he has no business here. Patrick also stole the WFG system, vision and mission and clients from them now he’s acting like he created the system. He’s a lair bro! He’s a great BSer that’s for sure.
@@AudricMorrison His insurance company People Helping People is just a fancy multi level marketing scheme. Just look up Patrick Bet David pyramid scheme online and you'll find videos about it.
@@AudricMorrison Not being clear of what his point of view were when he was making a claim and when he was explaining more he was going off to another tangent and another tangent and so forth.
Watching that guy was pretty frustrating. Seeing him try to pin David down on such stupid nonsense like: "YOU DON'T KNOW THESE EXACT NUMBERS ON THESE POLLS!" Just so he could feel like he was winning was a complete waste of time and it went nowhere. That guy really needs to learn how to run a show and carry on a debate.
Didn't want to look up the poll they were talking about but put up a Google image search of Biden rallies
Overcompensating for sure
@@richardwackeroff4897 LOL!
I'm on the right and this guy is HILARIOUSLY DUMB. My god. I cannot imagine his audience still listening after this. It's easy to just say generalizations and not care about actual data. Really sad.
He needs to not do a podcast, but that’s not how narcissism works. I have a feeling David Pakman won’t make the show opening montage. There’s neither a boxing ring nor a flamethrower in this interview AT ALL! Where’s the value in this ‘tainment?!??
The way PBD's eyes move, crazy left to right...he is clearly completely flummoxed by you, David😂🎉
Once you notice that David looks like Jeff Daniels, you won’t be able to unsee it
Hello David. He never really got it. Your communication skills are commendable. You used better words!