New BMW M1000XR vs Ducati Multistrada V4 Pikes Peak!
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Owned an XR. Traded it for the Pikes Peak. Not going back.
Hard to argue. I made a similar move to a PP, but from a KTM SD GT. Same feeling as you. The KTM CAN be a sport tourer. But it's a modded Superduke in the end--and the old, outdated one at that--compared to the PP. The PP IS a sport tourer.
Can you explain some of your reasons??
Until it breaks down or starts rattling 😅
Ducati its more reliable than most of bikes, for example, bmw gs valve service its 20.000kms, Ducati V4 its 60.000 kms...
@@alexandrevarandasfireballsono italiano, la ducati il marchio è prestigioso, ma qualsiasi ducati ha bisogno una manutenzione di tante parti, infine solo coppia, zero motore, la ducati è una ferraglia che cammina
Pikes Peak looks so good in person I would have that over the Bmw any day. I had the radar cruise control in Ktm 1290 SAS and it is great to use when you are not in mood to go fast and just criuse on highway.
I chose the Ducati Multistrada Pikes Peak over the BMW XR. For me one of the draw backs of the XR was the riders saddle is a bit bucket shaped and didn't feel comfortable. I prefer the looks of the Ducati and the 170 horses are more than enough for sporty rides up and down mountain twisty roads or on the endless routes through Schwarzwald. Even at low to moderate RPM the Pikes Peak will make you smile every time you twist the throttle.
I was surprised as how well the PP handles tight turns and long rides with passenger and luggage are just perfect with this bike. My Girlfriend and I just returned from a 4000km tour around Italy and we had a blast riding through the countryside twisty roads (even with the terrible condition of the Italian side roads)
Great review keep up the great work Bob
S1000XR owner for 3 years now. Dont think this bike gets enough credit for what it can do. All rounder in my eyes. Touring with my wife for 3 week, bimble round the town and amazing on the twisties. Only grumble is the standard seat. Had to spend £300 to make it right. The price of the PP would put me off. The BMW triple black TE has 90% of the extras compared to the PP and £8 or £9k cheaper.
Will have to see all the changes made to the XR. I owned a second gen XR, nice bike, but the seat was horrible. Traded the XR for a Pikes Peak, added the race exhaust & tune. The Pikes Peak is easily the better bike if you can afford it. More torque in low and mid RPM, better handling/suspension and it is more comfortable. Nicer looking as well. I am anxious to see the M1000XR though. I am sure it will be faster on a track, but on public roads I am not so sure the extra power will translate into better performance on twisty roads where torque is what matters.
They changed the seat in 2024. Looks great on the bmw
Ty for doing this comparison. I own a 22 multi pp. It's tuned with full akra. Out of my 11 bikes it is my favorite. Now that being said my girl has the 23 xr m sport.. I did full akra ti and it sounds like our k66 and k67 Superbikes
. They are such great bikes but the pp has soul and fit an finish the xr will never have. P.s. I love the adaptive cruise. !!!
When ducati realizes the pikes peak no longer the top dog
Next year on ducati unveiling season: we introduce the multistrada V4S Pikes peak....we gave it the engine from the Panigale V4S and the oil from the V4R and gave the Superleggera aero package cuz we are ducati and thats why and it costs 65k and has 220hp
nice
No it's gone be the Ducati Multistrada Pikes Peak SP👌 210/215 hp
so will it be a pikes peak r or sp
Not far wrong
V4RS quite the ridiculous and amazing machine from what I’ve seen.
Great review!!Thks!!
absolutely fantastic review! WOW I loved this video.
Ducati...own it and love it. I can spend all day riding in total comfort. when i ride with my friends that have supersports I have no problem keeping up in the twisties. Looks, sound, features, comfort, performance are absolutely amazing. Very happy with Ducati and so Glad they did't mess around with colors on their logo like BMW did this month.
Will come down to wind pro and seating for me. I'd be considering replacing my GS with one of these, so I need it to be a legit tourer.
Owned the current XR, one of the best bike ever made.
Multistrada is a motorcycle oriented to a variety of situations: distance touring, track days, commuting, even a little bit of off road... It seems to me the BMW is more a sports bike with the appearance of a touring bike...
The only way to tell which bike is more enjoyable is to ride them - I ride a PP so unfortunately I wont be able to ride the BMW because I cant get off the PP!!!
Fair evaluation. Let’s see the how the final production version comes out.
I love my Multi V4S 😊
Think it edges out the PP for almost the same everything (19 vs 17 wheels) but comfort is better.
Cheers
Waiting for the BMW to compare to my awesome Multi PP. Do NOT think the standard multi V4 S IS a PP. MOST things are different on the PP--from chassis specs--including swing arm, rake, trail/electronic settings/wheels/tires/Ohlins suspension/brakes/swing arm and front chassis dimension/handlebars/footpeg dimensions are all somewhat-to-very different between the two Multis. The two Multis are more different than alike. Coming from a very good KTM Superduke GT--I was nervous buying the PP. Not anymore. PP IS the best sport tourer with very good two-up capacity and comfort. Super duke GT is a 8.0. Pikes Peak is a 9.5. Will this BMW trump both? I am concerned this revver motor wont see the power peak much so that leaves torque/drivability between 3000-8000 rpms, where the motor on a bike like this will be used 99% of the time. We shall see.
@@tomtraynor5384 Every PP owner has the same thing to say. I am waiting to test ride one 😎 Thank you.
Pikes Peak is much more capable than the standard Multi in the areas of handling/braking, etc.
No mention of torque which is more important for street riding.
First minute torque is mentioned 😊
@@andy4072 So point out to me where the torque figures for each bike are mentioned, not just the word torque when talking about shiftcam?
Now now ladies
The new 2024 Multistrada V4 RS comes in at 192 BHP, looks like another comparison to come?
I wonder if the shift cam engine will trickle down to the normal XR’s?
I dont think so as it could increase the cost of the bike overall.
I almost thought it was going to the BMW. Glad with your opinion. I own a Ducati Multi. 😀
I drove the Multistrada V4 Rally yesterday and a few BMWs Last year. The Multi is fantastic, but after 2 Hours of riding I can‘t sitt no longer of this Bike. The Seat is to hard and no matter of what Mode I drove, the Suspension could be a littel softer. For longer Tours I loved the BMW R1250RS. Two Days in the Eifel didn‘t do no harm to my back. 245 km/h was Easy and felt very Safe on the Autobahn. It‘s a littel bit Heavy and a littel bit high for me. But what a Dream of a Touring Bike!
But I didn‘t want to spend that much for my first Touring Bike, so I bought an Triumph Tiger 1200 GT. I am quite happy with my pick.
Pikes Peak is wicked awesome but the Price. Also the Desmo valves maintenance has been pushed to 18000mi, so wouldn't exactly call that pretty regular servicing.
Neither of these bikes are cheap to buy, but what would you expect?
Actually vale spec is over 36,000 miles on Pikes Peak.
@@tomtraynor5384 Referring to Desmo Valve Engines that have a 18000mi valve check.
@@tomtraynor5384 True that.
I prefer the looks of the multi, but I would go for the BMW, looks like the better package overall unless you realy want the radar, but I dont think those bikes will be bought for highway cruising for it to be essential.
I'd like to how many prospective buyers of these bikes will actually take their bikes to the track. If not many, then the BMW power advantage is a moot point.
These bikes would primarily be seen on the street. If you needed a track machine, they already make the RR and R.
😉
Need to compare M1000XR vs Multistrada V4 RS ..
Wow, so what Honda were doing 30 or so years ago with their V-Tec
The Multi is compared to the regular XR and loses on most performance measures but is a toss up in other ways. The new M1000XR will smoke any other upright style bike in performance, including the KTM1290. You don't have to like the looks, though I think it's great. But you have to respect the overall capability and power from 1,000cc's.
You are correct, but the new M1000XR is not compared with the PP but with the new Multistrada V4 RS which will smoke any other bike in this category 😂😂
@@ricardoanez6436 The MXR will have better numbers, and with the shift cam probably better mid-range usable power. The Ducati may win on top end speed. But for likely $10K less, the XR will be highly attractive. The major bummer with the MXR seems to be that BMW is not offering it with side cases. What a stupid decision!
@@salishwanderer7869 Remember the extra $$$$for the ducati is because of the better high quality components, just a ohlins suspension about $5k, brembo brakes$$$$ and the bunch of upgrades in electronics too
M1000xr will smoke the Audi MS V4RS🤗🤗
@@jenne5859 I have not seen these two bikes racing yet, bc they are two new and nor out yet, but the 2023 s1000XR and the S1000RR I smoked them both with my Ducatis Multistrada V4s and my Panigale V4s 🤣🤣🤣🤣also what do you mean when you mention Audi??
You haven’t ridden either one, have you?
Seems like you made your mind up beforehand mate?.
Not fan of radar cruise control. I understand matching the slower speed but if I am catching up I am going to pass at some point anyway plus with all of the systems I have encountered when pulling out to pass the acceleration times are slow and now there is someone I am holding up so I just end up flooring it to get out of the way. By the way the Multi would be my choice.
Not to mention it sometimes has trouble with cars merging in front of you/away from you.
I really wanted to have the BMW and I tried it, then I bought a KTM 1290. In line 4 are boring for me.
I would love to see the Panigale V4 R motor in a limited edition Pikes Peak....
It will not happen, brother, people will get killed in the spot
So, the Ducati is ‘limited’ to only 170hp. What were they thinking?😂
Real road riding.
It’s the gran turismo engine with valve springs, it has a much lower redline at like 10.5k but has considerably more torque down low and the mid range. Also with tuning, exhaust and a filter they pick up alot of power. It’s not exactly fair to compare the two because the Ducati has a more tammed down V4 which also btw has 35k miles “USA miles” service interval and like i said its a good road engine. I have a streetfighter V4 it’s amazing but for an everyday bike it’s way too much, the advantage with the BMW is its shift cam tech, when working correctly will give you the same torque as my streetfighter down low and all the same top end. The grand turismo engine btw makes a good 10 foot pounds over me, it comes down too what do you want
A more streamlined V4 with a lot of low end or a high revving good top end power inline 4. But i do agree Ducati should of shoved in my engine into the pikes peak edition
Just my two cents
Exactly. Find anyone who needs all of that for normal road riding, then see how long they remain riding for. Thats more than 99% of riders would use on road. Marketing, not usable performance.
Not for long🙊
You will never see that speed on a tall bike to be honest a dont think
XR vs RS now ?
With the BMW cam system isn't this what Honda cleverly did with the CRV engine with clever machining without the need for any electronic actuation that may give problems in the future.
I own a S100XR (2022) and was wondering to buy the coming M1000XR until I realized that THERE IS NO SPACE FOR BAGS!!!! I bought my bike because I wanted a sport touring, but if I cannot do any touring the M1000XR makes no sense while Pikes Peak is super sport with space for bags. Won't buy, at least I saved money.
As for the radar, I had a 2021 KTM SA 1290S and did four hour highway rides a couple of times a month for a while. I never liked sitting in traffic locked on to the car in front, I ended up turning it off and punching out into clear road away from the bunch, then using normal cruise. Not for me. Would much prefer rear warning.
Don't use it then.
I don't understand the Luddite argument. It's not mandatory, you don't have to use it.
A bike having radar cruise control is not a legitimate criticism. Just don't use it...
As a Ducatista, and former BMW owner and lover, to me it's a toss up. Until final spec, pricing and a test bike from BMW, the Ducati rules! ...just like on the racetrack!
This Multi don’t have Desmodromic valve system
Have BMW sorted out the vibration issues on the XR?...I spoke with someone who rode one recently (before settling for a GS), and he said you still get vibration through the bars at speeds you don't want it...in the 70 - 80mph range....not ideal!
No vibrations on my 2021 XR; smooth as butter.
loved the video. I would go with the Ducati without a doubt. I own a v4s and truly believe is my absolute favorite bike ever.
Just shows how road focused the ducati 'adv' bike actually is. It's supposed to be competing with the GS now sport tourers
@7:11 what helmet is that?
Im not sure sir. But i think its Nexx or Naca
I ride Hyperstrada and of course the Ducati Multi V4 has all the fancy features that worth every penny.
If you’re looking for styling sexy beasts of an engine, Ducati is the one and only
You are calling them both "sports tourers" but the BMW is incapable of carrying any luggage which is why the chassis is lighter.
I have PP V4 and Ducati all the way
Traded the Pikes Peak for the new v4 RS… would love to see these 2 pitched against each other!
same did you get yours do you mind to tell me what the dealer gave you on trade
BMW looks way better from my perspektive - I would go for that!
Even when I prefer the sound from a V engine.
XR will be faster. Hopefully it can have top and side cases without high speed wobble issues.
I know what you mean about the wobble and weave
@@BIGGGESTAL yeah, its a real problem with some of these big hp adventure bikes that can go very fast but also wobble from being unstable.
Reliability. Well two of my friends sold their Ducati’s because of this 🤷🏻♂️ so it’s the BMW for me 💪🏻😎☝🏻
Ducati have a 4 Yr unlimited mileage warranty in the UK.
BMW 3 yrs 36000 you work it out
In my opinion they both have too many pistons pointing in the same direction to be exciting. The old V2 Pikes Peak would be better long term relationship material. The BMW XR is simply just not a long term exciting road bike. OK for a quick fling but it'll get boring quite quickly.
IMHO, dynamic speed control is not ready for prime time.
xr without M is my choice , over Ducati.
I own one and it is a great motorcycle.
With M , even more
As soon as the warranty is coming to an end Sell it fast!
I chose the Ducati Multistrada V4
Why the jacked up suspensions, though? I just wish manufacturers started building proper GT motorcycles like the GSXS GT, R1250RS, and Super Duke GT. Take the M1000R, put a half fairing, a proper pilion seat and some paniers and that's it. Ducati could do the same with the Streetfighter platform and bring back the Supersport.
The proof will be in the riding but both bikes suffer from a race track engine shoved into a street bike. Coming from a 1260 Multi I thought the V4 Multi was terrible as it has little bottom end power and only gets interesting when you've long passed street speeds. As an inline 4 the BMW could be worse. To me there are just better engine configurations for these bikes, like KTM's 1290.
Wondering: If a "screamer" motor is ideal for bikes in this segment. I rarely rode my former KTM Superduke GT and current Pikes Peak over 8000 rpms. Especially as this is for "wife to ride on" bike. Yeah--I tricked her! Of course--the ride will tell the tale, but I'd like to se a Dyno graph of each overlaid to assess the "area under the curve" in the typical road-riding rpms. My PP did achieve a max torque on Dyno of 92-ft. lbs at about 7000-ish rpms. Good torque. At reasonable rpms. My SD GT did 97 ft lbs. around same RPM range.
I am biased as I am a BMW owner so I am going for the M1000XR, it is completely ridiculous, but why not. However, I have always loved the Multistrada and would 100% ride either....
Ducati looks better, but those //M versions have looked badass.
SuperDuke GT is the very best sport tourer
Fuel economy and reliability could be the difference 🤷♀️
I’d go with the BMW especially with the shift cam engine which makes the inline 4 even better. I’m betting the BMW comes in a few grand less than the Ducati.
I'd go for the Ducati and one reason is that inline 4s still have that high frequency handlebar buzz, which puts my hands to sleep. Ducati's low frequency buzz is much more tolerable for me.
@@rlsedition that question has been corrected. I understand that Pryor to 2020 editions the BMW bike had that buzz over the bars. I own a 2022 S1000 XR
And there is not a bit of vibrations not on the bars, and neither at the pegs 👍🏻
@@Fernando90054 I haven't heard any bike journo make that claim, that the vibes have disappeared on the S1000XR. That's a bit difficult for me to believe, as inline 4s have a second order high frequency issue which show itself in the handlebars. The other thing is that some folks are more sensitive to this issue than others. Every inline 4 I've owned has had this issue and I don't like it. If it doesn't bother you, great.
@@rlsedition yes , probably you’re right again on that about sensibility that changes from person to person. You know, like I know that defects are more popular than their corrections. But I can understand the argument about the engine type . When it’s tolerable, for me a little vibration, is a good vibration. Always has been to me. What could suit you well could be a bike like the Honda Goldwing. It’s the smoother bike that I ever ridden 👌🏻
@@Fernando90054 It's also what type of vibration, as the high frequency stuff bothers me where the low frequency does not (I ride a Ducati).
BMW, baby!
Cant imagine the new XR being stable at high speeds,just way too much power for a tall bike
Man the Japanese big 4 need to get in on this market. Like a more powerful Tracer or a ZH2 SX,
Tracer 10 with crossplane engine! or a supercharged versys :D
@@tubejorrit yeah, i think Tracer with CP4 from the R1M is the best option and it will sound pretty damn good!
So both performance variants, yet the BMW does get the engine to match and the Ducati doesn't. The MS is great, the main argument for the Pikes Peak is the 17 inch wheels, admit no off roading, so better tourer. But at a price.
You really think this BMW will be significantly cheaper? I do not.
I would have bought even a standard Multi V4S if it was a bit cheaper, and lighter. Couldn't justify it over a non-M S1000RR. I prefer the clip-ons riding position and I found a new 2022 S1000RR for 20k.
I went to Ducati and specced up a Pikes Peak with some typical options, it came to 35k!
@@MattNeighbour Not a fair comparison, as the S1000RR is, like the Panigale, a race bike for the street. Plus, you can't compare pricing of a top-of-the-line Multi to a base S1000RR. Try the M version BMW superbike instead, which ain't cheap either.
@@rlsedition the purchasing decision was 2022 S1000RR (with most of the option packs included) vs Multistrada V4S. Still cheaper. The M1000RR is worse for the road as it doesn't have the electronic suspension, and it's better compared to a Panigale V4R.
It comes down to whether you want a touring bike that's been made more sporty (Pikes Peak) or a superbike that's comfortable enough to ride to the track or the Alps.
@@MattNeighbour Your money, your call.
so bmw has vtec now
Multistrada $52,000 (£28,000) here in Au.
As Au plummets into depression I'm going to have to pass on it. 😟
Is it ?
The standard S1000XR is faster than the Duke but then I would go for the 1250GS if I had to have an adventure style bike. The torque on the boxer is 143NM at 6250 vs the Ducati at 125NM at 8750... no contest.
Also when you look at used bike sales the BMW's have much higher kilometers / miles and the Ducatis have very little use. That should tell you everything....
Why have an adventure style bike that is not designed for off road use ? Buy a real road bike instead...
M1000XR forever
If you ever rode both, you would know those are two very different types of motorcycles, stuck in same "group"
Do I go with the Porsche, or the Ferrari? I think if you can swing the payment, you can't go wrong either way. Sounds like a rich person problem.
All that tech and design .. yet that exhaust canister under the belly pan looks hideous……
Ducati forever !!!!! ❤🇮🇹🇧🇷
I own an XR engine blew up !
The chances are that the BMW will be much more reliable for a longer period of time, so I think that for anyone who consider buying one of them, it's no brainer to choose the BMW.
Ducati is Audi
Wrong. Uk warranty on a Ducati is 4 yrs unlimited mileage. The BMW 3 yrs 60,000 miles.
Motobobs videos are increasingly like promotion videos and clickbaits
MXR gets me sexually excited. A have a S1000xr its not the best thing ever a have zx12r also witch a prefer for speed if bmw can sort out the vibrations and wobbling at speed then the MXR be a lovely bit of kit for us men over 6ft tall
I'll take the Bimmer
Multistrada wins. We already know the shift cam is an absolute fail being used in the GSA. BMW just loves screwing with cams, starting with the s1000xr cam wear issues straight out of the factory.
I don’t care if these bikes are the peak examples of technology for each manufacturer. The price of each is mental and puts them far out of reach of the majority of riders. In the real world, in normal road driving conditions there are so many good bikes on the market at a sensible price which would easily keep with these machines.
if u want fast tourer kawasaki h2 sx is the best
Active Cruise Control is ridiculous. Get into a luxury car and tune out properly. A bike is fully immersive and that’s the which of the why for riding at all-for me. Then again I eschew any 6-8 hour days in the saddle except once or twice every so often.
nah it's great for long cross country journeys to rest but keep moving in right lane
both bikes can only be properly ridden on track, or on some sections of the autobahn. will probably be living at their local Strabucks parking lots LOL.
Ducati s PP technical components are superior ...power is nothing without control
Yamaha Tracer 9 gt 🎉
Different targets, different performance, different pricing.
@@rlsedition right, value for money. Yamaha & Honda is for pleasure, and Ducati & BMW for service centers. P.S. ...information from operating experience.
@@freefleer_ola "Operating experience" from which model/year, exactly? The older bikes required much more frequent servicing than what Ducati sells today (I'm talking water-cooled bikes here). My 2017 SuperSport has 18k valve adjustment intervals, where my air-cooled 1999 900SS has 6k intervals. Today's Ducati's are on par or better than the competition on maintenance requirements.
@@rlsedition From Ducati, I had experience with a 2015 Ducati Multistrada 1200S. Malfunctions were constantly in the electronics and the brake system ...
@@freefleer_ola So yours is anecdotal, from your own machine. OK, but I have three buddies now on Multis who have had no issues at all. Don't use a broad paint brush on the brand to suggest all Ducatis have problems - they don't.
PP any day over BMW
VTEC just kicked in yo! I’ll take the Ducati.
I’ll take the BMW 3 year warranty
Yo tengo una PP v4 y en España son 4 años de garantía
5 year warranty in Australia
Multistrada is four years!
Ducati has a 4yr unlimited mileage warranty😂
I like the Ducati PP
Ah yes the........ jucati 💀
the ducati 1260 enduro is a honda postie force fed with growth hormones
Ducati, no doubt.
Plus the residual value of the Ducati will be far better than the bmw which can make a big difference when someone is buying using a pcp contract.
I'll look at the MS when they start making AGAIN a base model with a 17" front wheel.
Not a fan of the "off-road wanna be" 19" front wheel. 💩👎😒
It's not for you.
@@stevenkelby2169 that's not for you to decide. Go troll somewhere else. 👋
I have the only actually good multistrada made. From 10 to 15. Mines a 13 1200. DVT bikes are more trouble than their worth. Tuned a 1200 nibbles the heals of 200hp with ease. And honestly? Dont know many folks that can handle all 150 of its stock hp, let alone after a tune. So imo? That bmw is a waste. MTS are already expensive. That stupid peen extension "200hp" bmw will likely cost as much as a pikes peak RS. Screw that.
DUCATI, not GICATI 🙈 0:21
M all the way!
KTM SUPER DUKE GT. A lot cheaper, a lot lighter, a lot more torque and still 173bhp also
Fallait comparer avec la RS…