Bike World Drag Race! | KTM Super Duke GT vs BMW S1000XR
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- čas přidán 16. 09. 2023
- We've been back to the runway, this time with the KTM Super Duke GT and BMW S1000XR, a couple of very fast ways to go touring!
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We'll post up the times soon!
GSX S1000GT please!
Please do more drag races🥰
I just realised you guys don't have a review of the newer KTM 1290 GT. Is this coming up with the bike you used for the drag race?
Re-run this with new M1000XR & 1390GT when they're available 😃
Funny how the solution for BMW is just try to cram more power from 1L.
KTM says, nah, we'll make the engine bigger.
@@exothermal.sprocket BMW have a larger range though. They got the R1300GS which is slower than the M, but has more torque. Then they got the K1600 which has more than the GS and more torque than the KTM. Of course, that is MUCH heavier. Just pointing out the diversity of options.
I am on an old KTM GT 2017 and nothing quite replaces it. I like the Idea of the 1290SA but it's got less power. I want MORE mid-top not less without losing any of the bottom.
@@InsanitiesBrother Well, BMW have done just about all they can do with that 1L unless they want to go direct fuel injection and turbocharging. I get that all of this is cross-platform powertrain sharing. The automotive industry does this everywhere. Yet, I'm weary of the 14,000 rpm touring engines. Give us displacement and electric-like torque from low RPM, and wide ratio gears. That's what highway engines are supposed to be. Fine! Keep your 160 horsepower, but give me torque so I don't have to do 130 MPH to use that horsepower.
The Super duke GT is one of the most fun bikes I've ever ridden. Its a shame it is so underrated.
it is because its unreliable and its takes for parts to come?
Shame on You
I have no idea how KTM sells any bikes. I want a super Duke like crazy….but $20k is a lot of money for me….I can’t throw that much down without a demo ride to see if I actually like it. They are near impossible to get a test ride anywhere
@@tomserbaducci8559 I agree, as much as all of these bikes cost nowadays it is ridiculous that there aren't more to demo or test ride before deciding. Finding a bike that is pre-owned with really low miles and a few years older is the better move in my opinion.
Underrated by whom? Just about everyone knows it's been the best bike in its class for the last 2 decades.
As an SDGT owner for the last 3 years I can confirm all the findings of this test lol. For anyone like me who wasn't 100% ready to give up litre bikes, this is the perfect solution
I have a Multistrada 1200 S and my next bike will probably be a Ninja 1000. Sporty road bikes should have 17 inch wheels.
I too have owned an SDGT for the last 3 years. I traded in a 1200S DVT Multistrada for it, which I had for 4 years. Until I rode the KTM, I thought I was riding a big, powerful V twin… 😅
Since 2017 I have been saying that the SDGT is the best bike in the world!!! It can not be beat. When it runs
@@aluisious both bikes in this vid have 17 inch wheels
Now if I can just come up with a solution for the price
These drag races are Supercool. But I have one request for you BIKE WORLD guys. Please don't stop collaborating with CARWOW .
Hi, thanks for the support, we're not, we have another race coming very soon.
@@BikeWorldTVshow Wowww, That's Awesome, Can't wait 🤩
Having owned both bikes here and both of were modified. I can say the KTM is one of the fatest accelerating factory bikes I've ever owned. The BMW is blazingly fast in its own right.
Such a cool category, can do it all with these machines.
Great rider, great channel Cuban rider
As a 2020 SDGT owner: KTM 6th gear is an overdrive. The real top gear is 5th
I now have mines flashed abd dyno tuned. If you think its fast stock, the tuned version is totally insane
The SDGT feels lighter and rips the corners. And sounds better
It just has a very wide ratio transmission. Allows the engine to move you along at some past-legal speeds without breaking a sweat.
Keep this up chaps - these are brilliant, bikes are meant to be fun and you're having lots of it 👍🙂
For those of you who keep complaining about this not being a fair comparison because of the CC difference, please do some research... these engines put out roughly the same power give or take, and are in the same bike class/category. Really not understanding all the confusion.
I totally disagree with those saying this is a useless comparison. In fact these bikes are very quick and powerful and playful yet comfortable.
I still have a 2012 Ducati Multistrada 1200, I've also sat up out of the bubble, then realised I was doing 155mph with panniers on. Almost fell off the back 😂
That's why i have also 2011 MTS 1200S with ecu+filter+termignoni 😂
Everyone awaiting the M1000XR part 2 Drag Race like Revenge of The Sith
The SDGT is the best bike i owned. 5200 km in europe this summer NO problem at all.
The only negative is that it's chewing rear tire 😂
Haha pillions and luggage 🧳 definitely 😂
Speed Triple 1200RR vs S1000RR, that's what the people want to see. By people obviously I mean me... 😁
KTM super duke GT ❤🤩🔥
Nobody seems to realize the S1KXR engine was cold at firsts pulls, so it protect itself by removing power (see the red zone from 3k rpm) the lasts pulls were more representative.
Good race!
Fun video! I own the GT Gen2 however they are both good bikes. From personal experience BMW look after their customers much better.
Great little video boys
As an owner of the gt and a gen 2 xr I can definitely say the results are spot on and would go further in saying the ktm is a great bike for touring and having fun taken mine to tt twice now
Also if you have the track pack you get launch control and a quicker throttle response its an awesome bike .
Allen biker brothers
Great video as always. I have the Duke and it’s so much better with just 1 less tooth on the front sprocket.
I've owned many bikes, my 19 SDGT is my favorite for sure.
The KTM would be the perfect sports tourer if it had a center stand.
It doesnt? Oh.. that is the 1290 SA
Good fun ! Looking forward to the bmw M model soon !
For those days when you want to go touring in your full race leathers! 😂 Team Orange FTW 🍊
Both of them are glorious!
Yamaha was doing this 30 years ago, 850 TDM.. and the late 80s TDR250 which was a cross over from Road/Mx which never had the chance to continue an evolution of the bike.
Can't wait for the M1000XR tests!
Best motocycle channel
Please more like these videos, big bikes, Ducati multistrada v4, Kawasaki versys 1000, Honda Afrika twin, ktm Adventure 1290, Yamaha tracer 900gt, bmw gs 1250, bmw s1000xr
Very good guys and I had no idea who would come out first on these 2.
Two words. Simply Awesome!
I'd love to see the V-4 Multi up against the KTM next. Peace.
Even 1290 adventure is faster than that bike 😊
The V-4 pikes peak edition Vs the SDGT would be cool to watch! Hope they see your comment.
Love this video. I have a 2016 XR. More down low torque than after 2020, but after 5000 rpm the newer bike just flies! Mine has been awsome and reliable. I do want to try the GT though.
I have an 2016 XR and a GS, and I always think that my XR has almost no torque down low. In the Dragon tail, the GS smokes the XR.
I hate to hear that the new XR has even less. I was thinking about grabbing one too.
Awesome, the ultimate real world A to B machines 🥰
Been across Africa twice with my gt....had a blast...put some s22 tyres did a track day ..always got a smile..
I got an option to get a 2021 super duke gt with 0km for 13.5k euros. Or i can get a multistrada 1260s used with that price. Which one should i get?
Having owned both of these (currently the GT), 6th gear is an overdrive on the GT. It's not happy pulling 6th until 80 mph. Motorways, in 5th, sub 80 mph, you can easily get 50-55 MPG out of the Duke.
Same on the superduke R
@@bikerboi1983 Not ridden the R, but not surprised. Having come from inline 4's, I've had to retrain my head to run a gear lower for a given speed. 2nd for 30, 3rd for 40, etc. Love it though.
@@westers1514 I dropped a tooth on the front to a 16. 6th is now OK at around 75/80 🤣
@@bikerboi1983 😁😁 👍👍
Hı Chris, we'r expecting 1290 Advs VS Multistrada V4s, please!!
I always admire the ktm , since I currently own one,
But now I need the SD .1290.
After this video ,I'm sold
Pikes peak v4 multi against ktm?
I have been riding my SDGT for the last 4 years, I could not be happier with the KTM after owning 3 BMW's.
Currently KTM ruling the world with lite weight and too much of torque and power.
I had both, kept the XR cause it's much more comfy with similar performance. But still love the KTM, it's bonkers
How tall/heavy are you? I have two friends who have XRs but I’d love to get the GT to do something different (and be faster than them, they’re always talking about how fast their XRs are. Petty, I know 😂). I’m coming from a R1200GSA. I never rode the XR but sat on it and it was pretty comfy. I’m 6’2 maybe 220.
@@JonBecker81I’m over 6 @250 and I have an XR and a GS.
I think you will really be amazed by the lack of power the XR has when riding. It’s fast, but a hair faster than the GS and you have to keep the RPM up extremely high.
@@adammfharris yeah the boxer twins are really torquey. I’ve never owned anything other than twins but have ridden a few inline fours and they feel very different.
Good clean fun there lads!!
Cheers!
Having owned the XR, I now see the beast that KTM is… wow!
Lovely comparison, I drove and love both bikes. I did not expect the KTM to dominate though.
Then you're in dreamland
Getting these two to drag race was silly. Still fun to watch, maybe not for the XR owners. 🤣
Owned a Gen 1 XR, ridden a Gen 2, own a Gen 2 SDGT, hell yes. No other bikes necessary. KTM is definitely quicker all around and higher performance when it comes to "sports" the XR is a little better balanced. Either way, no better bikes for sport touring.
7:05 the KTM has the potential to gap the XR even more but the fact it already gaps it with stock gearing is impressive, the KTM is geared insanely high, the XR 6th gear, red line is 175 mph, the KTM is 193 mph, according to gearing commander. If the KTM was on more even footing with +4 teeth on the rear I'm sure it'd have it even more.
The laughter from both journalists already confirmed which is more fun to ride . 😂
As it turns out, I *am* that type of person. 🙃I enjoy that mix of comfort, and stupidity. 😋
I wonder how the XR goes against the 1290 SAS, cracking video
S1000xr owner, 18000 miles in 12 months.... of fast road, track day and two up fun.
"With panniers too"....
YES! Next time with pillions and luggage!
It’s crazy how fast they are for what they are. I can attest to the XR personally. We were out for a large group ride a couple months ago and it was a very fast paced ride. We were on a long boring straight section and I started horsing around with a guy on a brand new XR (it was identical to the one in the test down to the red color even) and when he romped on it he absolutely just stomped a hole in my poor little Street Triple 765. 😂
Funny that my uncle has a triple black 22 plate one and my mt09 sp gen 3 kept pace with it
@@DaleMt09sp I ride with 3 MT09’s (none are SP’s but that’s just suspension stuff) and one of them is even the newest gen with the TFT dash and my Street Triple pulls on all three of them. Not hard but definitely pulls them. Maybe the BMW I played with had a Bren tune? I know he had a pipe but not sure what else because that was the first and only time I’ve met him. They were visiting from another state so he’s not local.
@@cfltitan yeah the st has a better top end than the mt09 probably slower to 60-100mph being a fair bit down on torque but Upto 145mph indicated I kept pace with the xr then we both let off
@@DaleMt09sp that’s damn impressive. Those bikes are crazy for being a “touring” type bike. That engine is a work of art though. I ride with a couple S1000RR’s and they’re just mind blowing fast.
@@DaleMt09sp The Street Triples R(116hp and 57lb-ft) and MT-09's(119hp and 68.6lb-ft) are pretty similar, especially given the Triumph is lighter.
The Street Triple RS has 129HP though, either way the Triumph is a refined track day weapon where the MT is just a brute, even with the SP lol I mean no offense!
Both are great, but I really like the XR after riding both.
Please make more of these motorcycles drag races all super sport bikes too
Drag race everything.
@@fivespeed3026 That's the plan!
I tested the XR a while ago and instantly loved it. I then went and did the NC500 On my Monster 1200 (still loved) but was thinking i would love to do it again on the XR. Maybe the Superduke GT might be the way forward now.
Now that the Super Duke GT "Gen2" has pretty much the exact same engine that the Super Duke R has, the top register in the higher revs has more power than the gen 1 engine had, the gen 1 engine was somewhat downtuned from the R engine. So for a V-twin the Super duke engine is very strong in the top compared to most other V-twin engines.
So those extra horsepower combined with a lot more torque and even some kgs lighter than the S1000XR makes the Super Duke GT Gen 2 a faster bike than the BMW. Also the S1000XR even though better than before it still has those vibrations in motorway speed where you do not want them.
It has become less obvious since they have added a lot more rubber mounting in the bars and pegs but it is still there and you do not have that in the same way with the Super Duke GT.
Also the riding position on the GT is a slightly more aggressive which I like a lot more, less weight on your a$s and less windblast since you are leaning slightly more forward into the wind which is much more comfortable when touring.
The only thing I think BMW does better than KTM is reliability, even though BMW still is a euro brand and does not have that awesome reliability of the Japanese bikes it is still somewhat better than KTM.
I would feel more "safe" riding a BMW around Europe on a long trip than on a KTM that is just how it is, there is more problems on a KTM if you look on statistics than BMW. I think BMW is a bit more expensive on services than KTM though but I could be wrong about service costs between the two ?
Personally I have had much more problems with KTM than on BMW, my friends as well. KTM for me, is more fun to ride on though
PM. The 6th gear on the Super duke engine has always been kind of an overdrive gear, it is for very high speed cruising. Many times when going 60-70 mph (100-120km/h) I have found that the 6th gear on the Super Duke is useless, it runs better at that speed on 5th gear weirdly enough. So the 6th gear is not that strong if you are not going crazy speeds, autobahn cruising.
"Ready to Race" 😎
I decatted my Gen2 SDGT by emptying the standard exhaust box and drilling out the standard baffles in the end can. . Another step up again in power and smoothness.
wow that orange swan, the torque stay alive with any condition ❤
Can't wait for the 1390GT.
This is my bike... i love it❤
And it sounds better too! RELASE THE BEAST!
Wait, STOP! No wheelie down the straight? You are not feeling well, mate?
He had a broken shoulder.
Anybody know what that rst jacket is?
From your honest opinion, which one should I buy
Love it! Nice presentation. Is the SDGT geared the same as the SDR?
I’ve owned both at the same time. Gearing feels the same. But the SDGT is heavier with better wind protection.
@@kj385 Awesome. What a pair. That gearing is so tall, though! I have gone one tooth down on the countershaft of my SDR and she’s still really long legged. I use my SAS for sport touring and that works well, too. But I’d love to ride an SDGT.
The GT isn"t a naked SDR ,but it's the dressed version of the beast
it changes everything
That's a Sport Touring. Same category of Ninja 1000SX.
I really wanted a SDGT, but the ADV ergonomics, for me personally, are just too good to give up that I just had to pick the Super Adventure instead. Oh no, I only get 160hp and extra torque for my STREET sport touring fun machine, what shame. haha Love these bikes.
The LC8 is unbeatable
I think this class of tarmac only adventurey, sporty, bikes should be called GT bikes as a class. Like GT cars they're usually based on faster, lighter, significantly more hardcore models with concessions made for comfort and range while still being very capable performance machines
The BMW is a dressed version of a naked bike that’s the naked version of a sport bike. 😂 the KTM is a dressed version of this thing that the KTM engineers decided to go nuts on.
I love it ♥️
ktm & Ducati they always fast😊 though I'm Kawasaki fan boy, so much respect for them😊❤
Please do a ducati Streetfighter v4 road review
BEMOTO insurance for the SDGT ?
NAH
I WAS with Be Moto, but they weren't competitive this year
I want this GT so bad, but I'm 50y now and dk if the SAS would be a better option
ktm is serious racing make good bikes i love ktm always ktm
There had been a used 1290 gt by me a few years ago, still wish i had bought it
What do expect when there’s an extra 295cm3 with the KTM? Nearly 300cm3 is a lot in the bike world.
2 cylinder vs 4.
A tuned s1xr will walk away from tuned sdgt. the ktms don’t make big power after tuning like the s1000 engines.
@@jonasbaine3538 thanks for that, my arthritic body is no good for S1000RRs and I don’t like the XR because of the chain. I commute 450 miles a week over only 3 days, and I’ve not washed my RT since the beginning of November. In fact the dealer washed it! I tried the XR, and I liked it, but it’s not practical enough for me. A colleague in the office commutes on one from Gloucestershire (into London). She needs a heated jacket, gloves, socks etc. I just use X-bionic underwear, and Icebreaker Merino wool. I’m never cold on my RT.
I wish I was young again!
The KTM has pretty wide ratio gearing. You can be doing 90-100 mph and in 6th gear, the big twin is just singing calm baritone.
That KTM is fast. The first 2 pulls the XR was cold, the red screen was screaming "not yet, not yet" good job KTM! What is the difference in price?
A biker with riding gears,racing suits always looks cool, awesome and fabulous, this is why bikers are always stunning
i just prefer the sound of the bmw over the ktm- even if the duke is a bit faster. probably can’t go wrong either way though!
Sport bikes made comfortable if one wish to ride longer distance!! Upright seating position with wide handlebar!!
Please please do the middle weights 750 Hornet GSX8S KTM790 TRIUMPH TRIDENT etc al
Come guys we need bragging rights at the pub
KTM is nice, when it’s not in the Shop, Throwing Engine Codes and breaking Down. 😫🙄
Is that your actual experience as an owner?
@@tomtraynor5384
I have a good friend who owns a 2022-1290, he has learned to Hate it cause it’s alway in the shop for Engine Codes. And you can see on CZcams people with similar issues.
So my Buddy uses his Triumph 900-GT Pro, never an issue, Runs perfect with over 9k miles.
He would love his KTM for more spirited riding, but it’s always sub par liability 👎
30k on mine. Need a hi beam switch, that's it. Oh and a lheadlighy bulb
@@ebaensey2983
I Guess I'm the lucky one to get a reply from the only Human on the planet who's never had an issue with their KTM
@elithegreat6463 no worse than a duc or bmw. Service I can do myself. Did you actually own one. Find a lot if people have an opinion, but don't actually own one. Is amazing bike to ride, tour, race, sound, and I think it looks great, but I used to think my 14 vstrom was a good looking bike. ( in desert tan with carbon yosh)
Need some real ride time out in the streets on these beasts, I’m wondering which is smoother long distance, does one or the other cook your legs at a stop, does the bum start hurting after an hour or 4 hours etc
Ive got a 17 gt. Floats front wheel in 4th gear. Cant wait for chainto go, will be putting in larger front sproket. Gearing is too tall
The pilot in the ktm launches better
Please try an H2 SX SE against this class of bikes, I'd like to see how it compares to other sport-tourers like these two and the MS Pikes Peak
The H2 would destroy those things, just like the ZH2 destroyed their naked versions. But it would have nothing on them in the corners
Matt of Car WOW to be the pillion! 😊
Thank You Almighty God I will buy some for myself
KTM, ready to race
They didn't name it Super Duke for nothing.
Can you do another one of these and throw a Multistrada V4 Pikes peak in there as well….😊
We have something else planned for that. 😎
We want to see Ducati multistrada race
tuono 1100 gt would be good to compare and multistrada v4 rs