THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY! EVINRUDE (WHAT HAPPENED?)
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- THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY! EVINRUDE (WHAT HAPPENED?)
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We want the Elonrude!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Let's make the phone call Jordan!
you can barely get power to charge your TM batteries in most campgrounds...how the heck you gonna charge for primary power?
Good idea but we would be charging them with gas generators in most places lol
The Evinrude G2 was the best outboard ever made. Its a shame what happened. The few growing pains they had were sorted out fairly early. And allot of the problems were do to improper dealer install
This is a great series. Evinrude was to the marine industry as GM and Ford are to the automotive industry. It's a shame they are no longer around.
Had a G1 175 that I just sold this past summer. 5 years and close to 300 hours with zero issues
The Intruders did run hard. Great story on that Evinrude engineer breaking that intruder in
The Intruder was one of our favorites
@@TeamMarineService I’ve got the Johnson equivalent, a ‘93 150 Fast Strike and it still runs like new!
@@TeamMarineService How is the evinrude vro 40 hp? Looking into purchasing a 16ft Grumman renegade and it has that motor on it. Thanks
Let us know your guys' experience with Evinrude if you had one.
I got a 2007 etec 150 still running on my Gambler Outlaw. Not a bad motor so far.
I've had 3 of them. Still have 2 to this day. Ficht 90 was nothing but problems. The 60 etec and 150 g2 have been fantastic motors. Sad to see the evinrude brand gone.
Never had one. But your right Andy, not making the 4 stroke was their demise. The other ugly was they blamed the US shut down. When everyone one else saw great increase on boat & motor sales. Evinrude had great escape plan.
Was the 3rd owner of a Johnson 76 model 85hp. Never had to do anything but change the oil in the lower unit. Probably had over 1000 hrs. Went to a fast strike 150, replaced a power pack but no other issues. Have had a 92 evinrude 90hp for 10 years, starts every time. Bought a 2021 z185 with a Mercury pro xs 150. First non OMC motor I’ve owned.
Maybe u can help me. I have a 2017 ranger 518c with 200 HO etech. I love the motor and I would have to say they are much quieter and much more fuel efficient than a mercury 2 stroke in its time. Only problem I’m having is at high rpm or when running high end top speed I’m having issues with the hub plastic bushing melting n spinning down. This has happened twice. Can u tell me why? It only happens when at high end speeds. Thanks
I had a 1998 Intruder 175 for 15 years and it ran flawlessly until the end. I choose to swap out the 1999 Ficht for the 1998 leftover Intruder on my new 1999 Champion. Nothing but good things to report with my old Evinrude Intruder.
My 1999 150 Ficht had an EMM fail, but that was it! It runs flawlessly now! I use XD100 oil and Yamaha Ringfree to keep carbon out, and it runs amazing!
Dad had a 93 Johnson 140 on a lund tyee. He only had one problem after 25+ years and probably thousands of hours pulling skiers and tubers and cruising the river. Lots of good memories with Johnson/Evinrude, wish they could have made it work.
my little 16' tom boat has a 25hp evinrude from 1985. that thing just keeps going.
bought a new e-tec 115 in 2007, no problems at all, i fish alot ocean ,rivers ,lakes ect... serviced every two years, had to replace a gasket in lower unit last year.
Awesome Steve! That Evinrude is treating ya well!
Love the new series Andy! Time to do Mercury
Yes!
You got it guys! 👍🏻
Working for a J/E dealer since 1977 and being a BRP Platinum Dealer for 15 years I've seen a lot of ups and downs with OMC/BRP. '90s-2000s carbureted engines were at the top. 60 degree 90-175hp and 90 degree 200-250hp were just tanks. They ran, they ran hard and yeah the sucked fuel but they ran. Any time I ever saw one of those motors fail was water in the oil tank and it just popped a jug. Half the time we resleeved it, new pistons and sent it on the way and they're still running. DI/FICHT is where things got rough. OMC went through a lot changes. The biggest when Charlie Strang implemented a corporate clause stating anyone on the board was to be capped out at 70 years of age. He was the first to go and the rest is history from there. FICHT/bad management sent OMC into a downward spiral and lead to their bankruptcy. When BRP came around they did a great job clearing up the bugs through out the years on the G1s. We sold the crap out of those motors. When the G2 came out I started to see all of the FICHT red flags. DPS motors and modules constantly failing, welch plugs rotting/leaking spraying water all over the block , flywheel magnets letting go taking out stators, reed petals blowing a part and the covers on the exoskeletons don't seal worth a damn. And all the engineers kept saying " You don't have to take the covers off for 5 years" Warranty flat rate gave us 3 hours to replace a DPS motor. An engineer came out to our shop to do one "in the field" because they've only done it at the Science Drive plant. Took him 2 days. As they slowly started taking away HP options from the G1 forcing people to buy G2 we had a lot of unhappy customers. G2 warranty and technical help totally fell apart and once covid hit that was their excuse to fold because of G2 failures. Dealers were sent an email to be read on a Wednesday morning saying there will be no more motor productions. BRP head honchos called sales reps and field techs after dinner to say they no longer had a job and if they had a corporate provided phone it was shut off that night. How do you do that to people? At the flip of a switch "Evinrude. First in Outboards" is done. I'm still baffled.
Wow thanks for that piece! It truly is sad!
I remember as a kid seeing those Skylark 2 s still running in the 80s they told me they where from the 50s . I own a 2000 Johnson Ocean Pro 175 I bought brand new . And i use it a lot. The compression 100- to 105 in all cylinders . Have a new rebuilt block sitting in the garage. Just waiting for it to slow down. To put it on . Can't wait.
I was shocked Evenrude shut it down. It was the only motor I would use. From 5hp to 220hp. I would buy an Evenrude today and put it on a boat I'm currently building.
I have a 1977 Johnson 115, I got it earlier this year and had a service on it and it’s been running strong sense
Own two 2013 etecs one 25 hp on a 16' tracker, changed plugs and lower unit oil regularly and have had absolutely zero issues, also own a 2013 250 HO on a z520 and absolutely love the motor.. regular plug and oil maintenance.
Have a 2017 250 g2 and love it. Huge bummer when they decided to stop making them. Has some great features and has been 100% reliable (knock on wood). Curious to see how it lasts 🤦🏼♂️
When I first tuned in I thought uneere nuts. But loving your content and channels. Keep up the great work
Liked it! Elonrude 😂👏. I'm about to buy my uncle and dad a 25 Johnson I gotta double check the year. But looks super clean 750. Never been in saltwater.... #excited✌️
I have a 1979 johnson/evinrude 115 2 stroke on my 1995 17ft blazer. I love this motor and it runs amazing. I never run cheap gas in it and winterize it every year, summer time comes and she always cries on the first spankin. With a 23 pitch prop I'm running 47 miles an hour. Its a great motor and if it ever has an issue, I'll look for another one to build.
Who loves Evinrude?
They had some good motors. Some were shit too
Not me! They junk!
@@burneraccount9253 #truth
We have a 2011 250HO runs like a champ, hopefully keeps going, don't know what to do if something major happens other than replacing. Will keep fingers crossed but I think that is with every outboard owner.
Had a mid 70’s fast twin 15 … loved that motor
My dad had a 1958 evinrude lark 35 jubilee edition. He took good care of it, and it ran well as of 2010. I cant say beyond that because he died in 2010.
Had a '88 Johnson 150 GT for 25 years.. Replaced a few power packs but the motor screamed... It definitely had a drinking problem but always started.. Sold it 2 years ago and it's still running great.
I had 3 Etecs. One was a 90 I ran for 15 years I have a 60 HO on my river jet boat and love it. I’ve personally had great service with the etecs but never had a G2
Wow thats great to hear! You've had some good ones
On my third ETEC and haven't had a problem with either of them....yet
Good to hear! Good luck
Hi Andy,
Absolutely love your channel. Such valuable information!
I have a 2016 Stratos 186VLO with a G1 150 Etec HO. Running a 22p Racker and getting 62mph. Has been an excellent motor for the 6yrs I’ve owned it. I’ve heard the 150 Etec’s have far less issues vs the 200-250hp. Has that been your experience as well?
Pls keep up the awesome work!
Running Evinrude whole my life. Started with 25hp '93, bulletproof motor still running. Got a 70VRO obvious got rid off vro and ride with premix motor still runs and then i got a 150 ficht. Running ok, but now starts right up charges the battery for 10 min and then no charge. Replaced stator and regulator from a working one, checked the suppressor and seems to be fine but still not charging. I must admit love the 2 stroke. Love what you do. Respect
I remember my dads 95 evinrude 150 oceanpro and we loved that thing, it was a work horse but evinrude now aint what it was in the 80s and 90s forsure but when they came out with the e-tecs that was sweet
I had a 1991 Evinrude 200 Limited Edition on my Stratos 295pro and it was the most reliable motor i have ever ran. I made the stupid mistake of upgrading to a 2006 Mercury Optimax 200 for better fuel economy because i fish year round and i have spent 7k on rebuilding the motor and other issues since buying it and thats not counting the money i paid for it. I have hated my decision to sell my Evinrude ever since.
I got the perfect scenario for you, I got a 2001 TR 20, one of your favorite boats, with a 200 Evinrude Fict only problems, replaced starter twice, and a couple of lower units my fault, still running strong, knock on wood it stays that way
I owned a 81 Evinrude 15 tiller for 20 plus years. Great little motor. Had a few minor problems, like starter ropes breaking. But that is to be expected. Still running today.
i have that exact motor, i had also rope breaking. I have 3 of them, 1 i mainly use 2 of them are for spare parts. It had some issues with the neutral gear because it mostly goes reverse when starting it. I think mine was trimmed to a 20-30hp because it goes insanely fast.
I have me a 1973 65 hp triumph the ol thing still fires up like it was never shut down
I have a 2007 Evinrude etec 175hp , incredible engine
I have a 1988 XP-150 that I am still running today. Never been down other than a power pack that went out. Have a spare in the boat just in case. Not the fastest motor, but it starts every time and when the smoke clears I am off fishing!
Look up project ghost. They are making a new kind of outboard that mounts underneath the deck. I know its a gas outboard too because I work with the guy designing the spark plugs for it. They bought alumacraft, manitou, and an Australian company so they can build the boat around the motor.
In short, had it not been for the CARB mandate, I believe Johnson/Evinrude would still be around. Maybe not owned by OMC, but someone. BRP destroyed these brands.
Absolutely love my intruder series
I have a 60hp 2 cylinder johhnyrude thats 42 years old and still starts and has never let me down
Dude...... This is the best series....
Grandpa's trihaul boat had a 50 evinrude 2 stroke 1979ish. Ran it on beaverdam lake wi and never broke down.
have loved my 96 50hp evinrude.. she rips! curious on your thoughts on the 2015 75hp evinrude?
Great video. Were Evinrude and Johnson always owned by the same company?
Man, my grandma has a late 70s Evinrude 25HP on a big 'ol aluminum 14 footer with wooden bench seats. NOTHING scream like that motor, holy moly. 30 years of reliable, ear defending service. You would hear her coming before you saw her!
I've got a 1996 200 vindicator on the back of a 487vs ranger and other than the 30 degree cold start mornings, it's been rock solid for me. I'd love to upgrade to a new 4 stroke, but I can't complain with what I have now.. I'd like to see you have a show on the 400 series rangers. I'd like to get your opinion on them.
I've still got a 115 etec and it's been an amazing motor. This guy admits to not having a clue when he says 'does skidoo still use etec' - yes, and they dominate the industry doing so. Etec snowmobile engines are pretty much the benchmark in 2 stroke sleds.
Had a 150 GT and Intruder. Blow up the GT pretty fast but ran the Intruder for 13 years. Few power packs is all I ever needed. Guy I sold it to still has it.
Your Channel is going to blow up and Im in on the ground floor at just under 20K subs.
I have 96 Johnson fast struck it’s the fitch motor 150 hp and it purrs like a fine tuned sewing machine I love it so far quiet and sips on gas at 60 mph
I feel staying 2 stoke made them unique the power to weight ratio is great! Mercury went from making supercharged I6 Verado’s to try and keep the power weight ratio to the big V8’s now that 2 strokes are dead. I own one and I love it! But I seriously would’ve considered a G2 if it still existed in 2021 when I bought my Alumacraft. The 2>4 posters at the dealer were cool! They kept 2 strokes around longer than anyone else. They needed to work Kinks out before selling the Ficht for sure I agree that’s what killed em.
I had a 30hp e tec on a 4 meter stacer proline it always over heated from new eventually blowing up brp replaced the power head under warranty. I sold that boat and went a bigger runabout with a 50hp e tec all new and was a great engine no problems great on fuel all in all I loved the e tec . I now have a 40hp merc four stroke so far so good here in Australia it’s merc or Yamaha
I respect evinrude for staying 2 stroke. Love 2 strokes. Only problems I’ve had were with 4 strokes. The emissions standards killed that company.
My dad got the 1994 25 hp still runs great
Great video! 😊 I’m looking to buy a 200 hp Suzuki for a 6.25 meter aluminium rough fishing boat. Is the only good Suzuki the SS as this is the cable wire version only.
How is the evinrude vro 40 hp? Looking into purchasing a 16ft Grumman renegade and it has that motor on it. Thanks
Bought a new Sprint in 1999 an the dealer was trashing the Fict so I bought a Johnson Carb 150 ,still running today , I bought the G2 150 zero issues 3 years now, had two other omc engines 25 an Johnson Gt 150 all these engines are still running today, but that’s me , you like what you like! The main issue is that we all pay our hard earned money an whatever a person buys I want them to run there favorite outboards an have zero issues if possible!!
My 2012 90hp Etec is a solid motor. Starts first crank every time, super reliable.
I love my 90 etec too. Still has way better torque than even today's 115 four-stroke.
Had ol intruder on back of a champion great running motor, knock motor off one nite fishing tournament got towed back to ramp motor in water for couple hours change oil and everything in it fired third crank still run like new when sold the boat
If someone buys it and comes out with a 4 stroke, I'd buy 1 in a heartbeat... Loved every single Evinrude I had besides that damn FICHT... So for now, buying a Suzuki 250
I love my 99 175 ocean pro…never have mosquitos by me because she smokes like a champ 😅
I have a 98 175hp ocean runner ficht motor. I care for it like my child. Expensive oil, premium gas service once a year and that sucker used to blow power packs every 50 hours. I eventually opened a power pack and repaired it on my own since then had 0 issues with it. Had some EMM problems with some cold soldering joins but they were easy to repair with a soldering iron. I even soldered the fuel pump MOSFET while in the middle of the sea once. In the end it blew up with 400h on the clock. Overall it wasn't a good experience and eventually this experience was what saved me from the mistake of repowering with an etec g2. Nowadays I am looking for money to get a 200 Suzuki and wave my problems good bye
I got a 2018 30hp etec and it goes to the shop every couple times I take it out. just little stuff but it’s getting annoying. when its running it’s super efficient and fast. It actually burns less gas than my friends 30 Suzuki and it’s faster but his has never had to go to the shop other than servicing
Almost re-powered with one and saw Scott Martin give the big speech how Rude was leaving the game, then I started hearing about all of the problems they were having. Glad I didn't get stuck with one.
You guy's are awesome! Hahaha
Was this outboard at least reliable, how does it compare against an optimax in the 115 up to 150hp range
I have a 2006 etec 200HO outstanding service to date, no problems.
We had a ‘42 ‘67 ‘76 ‘84 ‘97 and an ‘08. ‘08 and ‘97 only 2 to blow up. ‘97 was a 175 intruder that ran flawlessly til 2020 then lost compression in 1 cylinder. ‘08 250 etec had new power head. Made it 2 years and piston grenaded
You speak of them going 4 stroke I agree with you I could never understand why didn't they take technology from the rotax engine that 3-cylinder make a V6
Nothing but problems with my vindicator. Thinking of just getting a 200 SS on my champion and call it good 👍🏽
I sold a boat this past spring with super low hrs G2 150HO motors. Very powerful motors, great sound, but I wasn’t a fan of buying two stroke oil. It just was a little extra pain in the wallet on top of every fill up.
Great video from grandpabear22 merry Christmas
What do you guys think about the 00-07 Suzuki 25/20hp four strokes? the 3 carb 3 cyl model. I just bought a boat with a 05 25hp and honestly have not seen that much feedback on the web. Wondering your thoughts.. thanks! Love the channel by the way.
Suzuki is great. That motor is bulletproof.....carbed motors are fine....yes they have a procedure for cold starting. After they've been warmed up once they usually start super easy all day long. Potential problems with three carbs instead of one....but as long as the motors running good...you should never have to touch them. Always Keep some seafoam in the gas
I’ve ran a mercury my whole life and if evinrude was still in business and if I had to switch motors that would be who I’d go with. I’ve always liked a evinrude
I have a 2019 90 etec and it'd been amazing so far. Gets on plane and accelerates way faster than my brother's 2018 mercury 115. I haven't heard any guys bitch about the 150 and under etec g1s. Do you see decent reliability with those motors ?
Thoughts on a 2006-2008 150 Etec? Reviews I've read say nothing but good things. More power and better gas mileage than Merc & Yamaha. Any info is much appreciated.
I have a 2004 Johnson 30hp tiller 2 stroke and its a bullet proof motor I have it on a 1648 Lowe I walleye fish and duck hunt with a pop up blind in the fall. From temps in the middle teens 15-20F that the Bank Clock Gutenberg IA it still starts in 2-3 pulls yes pull start and it easy. I have had this boat on South Dakota’s Lake Francis Case Reservoir to Duck hunting the Missouri River and the Mississippi River in Northwest IA. I wanted 2 stroke for it’s reliability in cold temps. Speed is as fast as I want to go in the Dark of night. Loaded duck hunting low 20’s mph 12 pitch prop and fishing loaded light fishing I get 29mph 14 pitch prop.
Only thing I have had break is the tilt trim bracket but I was going through 3inch ice. Now I call season over at 2 inches for Duck hunting.
Had a 96 Johnson 150… I beat the pizz out of that thing for 10 years and it never let me down.
I had a 1996 Johnson 150 hp fast strike on a 18 1/2 ft Cajun. It ran 70mph . Lasted me 20 years. Drank a ton of gas !!!!!!
The stupidest thing I ever done was take my fast strike off my boat and put a Yamaha hpdi on it
I have an 1995 Intruder 150 and it starts and runs on the first turn of the key
This is the greatest series of no B.S. information about the boating industry and the engine manufacturers. Thank You. Hey can you please tell me why OMC outdrives look like they were designed by a caveman? and were the cobra drives the move for them into the modern era and into performance? Thanks again. Jim.
Thanks Jim! Yes the Cobra drive was the move into the modern era. After that Volvo took over and refined it.
Do you think about the Yamaha 40 horsepower 2004 4-stroke
Always had ok luck out of the fast strike/intruder eagle 150s and venom 200 225s. Except for the lower units. Always ran strong and drank plenty of gas until a lower let go haha. The word ficht killed em.....
I agree with you, I think BRP should take the Rotax engine and flip it up 90 degrees, slap an Evinrude sticker on it. Also get rid of the DPS steering system and stick with Seastar hydraulic steering system. Most of the G2 problems were with the DPS and trim housing.
i think evinrude should make 4 strokes but have also the 2 strokes.
My dps is an issue.
My dad had 2 boats with the 2 stroke 115 hp carb motors and they ran strong . Once they went to fuel injection it killed the company .
How about shooting a video covering the continuous issues that have plagued the Optimax. That engine has had a gremlin living in it since the day it was released in 98. Injectors, coils, ECM,s, air compressors, gearcases and on and on and on.
Great idea Jay!
So I gotta chime in….my 97/98 Johnson is solid. Just had mechanic run compression, 100%. I must admit it doesn’t like idle scanning as much as it likes balls to the wall wot! It will idle all day long. I will launch shore bank it walk away and park trailer 10-15 later it’s idling. Just not in its happy place.
Mine is a VRO delete after my mechanic suggested the delete for longevity and it’s solid. Love a honest mechanic.
I looked at a etec powered boat and my mechanic said run….lol! Gotta love a good honest relationship with your mechanics suggestion’s.
Been looking for a new boat seen a lot of G2 powered boats on the market. I have been wanting to get away from 2S…., but I fish with a lot of guys and pleasure boat with others that have a G2 and love them with no issues. One guy I tournament fish wish took his xs 2S off and put on a used G2 and loves it.
I read thread people trashing the G2 because they pulled the plug and no one really understands the warranty agreement and process.
Can you enlighten everyone. The way I understand the warranty new/transferred; was mercury will do all the warranty service on the G2 and BRP has more than enough parts to fulfill.
It was my understanding that evinrude traded all their outboard engine development technology too Mercury in exchange they continue to oversee all warranty on the G2.
Brp is a massive company that owned cannam.
I cant imagine they not honoring their warranty
I too think they should have jumped early into 4 stroke. They would have been ahead of Mercury.
Ordered my phoenix with a SHO.... however it feels like I could get a brand new Rude' before the yammie even gets to the coast. Give me the elonrude.
I still run an 04 225 evinrude I got 704 hrs on the motor as of last month.. own it for 11year had 2 big problems with it. Had the EMM go out cost me $500 and this year the high pressure fuel pump went out and couldn’t find parts! Drive me crazy finally found it but was almost triple the price! $750 if it blows than a Yamaha will b hanging on the back next? 👍👍thanks for all the honest videos… elonrude 🤣🤣🤣
My 99 90hp ficht evinrude threw a piston at 52 hours. She screamed when she worked though…
Wow No good!
I didn’t know Louis CK was so into outboards. JK Love the videos man.
I knew by the title that my ficht 225 would be the bad! That’s ok I won’t be mad. You’ve probly dealt with a ton, I’ve only dealt with 1 and she’s been good to me
I still miss the smell of 2 stroke in the morning!!!!
I had 1995 70 Hp evinrude and my friend has his fathers 1970’s era 65 Hp Evinrude.
When I recently sold my boat I did look hard at etec. What scared me was the availability of parts.
Luckily, I went with a Tohatsu which in my area has a large dealer network. A few months later Bombardier announced Evinrude was done. It is sad, but when bombardier took over Evinrude the writing was on the wall.
but so little talk about the etec g1.. is it better than the ficht or bader?
I feel with some of the hints/statments they had/have on the evinrude website that they may be working on a electric outboard
How about a series on 19 for class fiberglass bass boats?
What about the OMC VRO oil injection system. I bought a new 1994 Evinrude 90 hp. Had it rebuilt after after only 6 years of average use because of scorned pistons. 5 years later, scorned pistons again. Junked it and got a new Yamaha 90 hp 2 stroke. The 90 Yamaha is still going strong with only minor issues. I know a lot of OMC owners that had the same issue and never bought an Evinrude or Johnson again.
I want a 920 elite. What out broad should I get and which is the best right now.
Mercury pro xs.
Yamaha vmax.
Suzuki DF250.
Suzuki 250 SS hands down.
That's What I'm Talking About, the Elonrude 🍺🎣
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Olie Evinrude would have been disappointed about what happened to his brand.