HELP! I Can't Fill my TANK!! (Toyota 4Runner EVAP P0440-P0441-P0446)
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- The 2002 3rd Gen Toyota 4 Runner is back in the shop with a strange customer complaint:
I CAN'T FILL MY GAS TANK!
Owner says that the Check Engine Light has been ON for some time with various EVAP codes, but now there's an annoying problem!
Let's diagnose this EVAP system codes P0440, P0441, P0446.
Are all the problems related?
Any Parts Required?
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Enjoy!
Ivan
Ivan is one of the few COMPLETE auto techs left in this galaxy
Worth all the dimes and dollars to keep that 4Runner a runner.
Toyota has one of the most complicated evap systems in the automotive industry. Thank to your video I now understand these systems just a little more! You’re great Ivan! 🤝🏾
Good evening from Tokyo everyone. I have a similar Toyota, a 1992 Hillux Surf 3.0 V-6… love it. Thanks for sharing your diagnosis processes Ivan.
Nice video and diagnosis. Hot exhaust melting fuel vapor lines. What could go wrong? At least the customer didn’t have Carbebque on the side of the road. 🤣🤣
I continue to be amazed by how many old cars are on the road today. According to statistics the average car is 12.5 years old (an ever increasing record over the last 6 years; so much for new cars don't last as long as they used to); keep in mind this is after over 600,000 used cars were scrapped under cash for clunkers in 2009, which was the previous year record for old cars surpassed 6 years ago.
That's because older cars were built to last.
Newer cars are built with a 10yr lifespan to be thrown away. . . Why do you think new cars are junked by insurance companies, too expensive to repair.
@@TheOriginalDaveJPeople were saying the same thing 10 years ago
I plan on keeping my cars as long as I can get parts for them. New car prices are high, and quality is not keeping pace with the price.
I’m almost there with mine, ‘07 Pilot that’s a tank and my ‘14 Mustang GT…never getting rid of that one:)
@@TheOriginalDaveJ Especially when parts are unavailable even before the 10 years are up. South Main Auto had one car that was 10 years old, battery going dead, found faulty radio. He went above and beyond to help them out and the fix was way more detailed than you could imagine. Part 2 czcams.com/video/PmeO4sB5ThY/video.html
Unbelievable the amount of error prone components that are required to just fill up your tank! The more i learn about modern cars the more i don't never ever want one.
In non-critical systems it is fine. He could still fill the tank same way as you fill non-vented tanks, just hold the nozzle half way and let the air escape around.
My neighbor couldnt fill his tank ! Come to find out the plastic ball for the rollover fuel stop was jammed by someone siphoning his fuel tank ! They broke there hose when pulling it out jamming the ball in the filler neck ! Still was a 45 minute job ! But now is fixed ! Crazy !
Customer: I can't fill my gas tank.
Ivan: You need to fix your exhaust pipe. 😂
I loved the legend on the Standard solenoid box "When OE fails, trust Standard". Never so true.😂
The old tale lack of maintenance always bites you in the behind & also some people never learn.Cheers Ivan.
I came here because I support Ivan's thought process on auto diagnosis. But I like his take on broader policies as well. Making Autos Great Again!
I come here because this is one of the few remaining bastions of entertainment where I don't have to listen to someone complain about Trump or oppression, or some other dumb political thing I could care less about. This channel is my oasis from all that crap.
Good One! 👍👍🇺🇸
Modifying Trumps pathetic saying is doing a disservice to Ivan
@@lewiskelly14I dont think you're right about that one sir... In fact clearly very left..😂 I have no dog in this fight whatsoever.. That said based on stuff Ive seen watching every video this guy put out id say he would quietly and respectfully disagree with you... As Americans you people should really start thinking about putting your country and citizens first lol that really isnt crazy... Whats crazy is cs with ds and dodos with bobos and complete lack of culture.....🎉🎉 right to heLL🌈
@@braddofner Well, you picked the wrong channel then. Or did you not notice the Trump flags Ivan has hanging in his shop. 🙂
I enjoy these videos of yours, Ivan, where you take us along and explain exactly what you're seeing, looking for, and your thought process. Thank you!
Glad to see the Toyota repaired and back on the road
It's a wonder that the vehicle didn't catch on fire. Nice job Ivan.
Would be an awesome idea for a diagnostic company sponsors a video where they send a car with a fault to a yourself Ivan, you diagnose it, but don't repair it, then take the car to another CZcamsr like Eric O, both make a video on it. See the difference in diagnostic pathways and see shortcuts/ and testing to get the same diag, maybe including time to carry out diagnosis?
But obviously you don't tell them what your diagnosis is. Until after all youtubers have diagnosed it themselves
That's a very neat idea!!
Toyota evidently cheaped out a bit on some models exhaust. Had to replace everything from cat to the back on my little 04 Tacoma, yet the entire system on the 94 Camry is original and perfect. 👍👍🇺🇸. And by the way, I see that Toyota has a recall for the failing Tundra engines. They even temporarily halted the sales on the new ones dealers have on their lots.
Yeah those new turbo Tundras are ticking time bombs sounds like 😂
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Supposedly, they found that a very large batch of blocks had machining debris that was left behind in manufacturing. At least they seem to be owning it, time will tell.
Anything 4-runner is eye candy. Your channel is fantastic, don't change your garage shop decor.
Have seem the same scenarion before, different faults. Cracked weld on exhaust cat melted plastic purge line under floor... 163 chassis ML350..
A friend of mine that uses a small box truck (his own) for USPS “repaired” his exhaust with a pop can and a couple hose clamps. Didn’t last very long and melted a large wire harness. That was a mess.
Luckily no burning car a side of the highway.
It is good to see that old Toyota is going to be on the road a while longer. While the evap system on that Toyota is complicated, it is no match for a Russian brain. Compare that to the new Toyota trucks and I think repairing this one is a "no brainer." I saw where 98,600 Tundras were recalled due to machining shavings in the engine. I understand Toyota is claiming that because if they say there are bearing issues they would need to recall EVERY STINKING ONE OF THOSE TURBOCHARGED ENGINES. Obviously, Toyota is racing Ford to the bottom and despite Ford's head-start, Toyota might win! All the more reason to keep these on the road. GREAT VIDEO!
THANK YOU!! I appreciate you making these EVAP videos
Awesome Video Ivan you always get the interesting ones and your patience and tenacity are awesome to watch. Thanks so much for taking us along on this one.
Think it was a Chevy Silverado a co-worker had with the same fuel tank issue. Another co-worker lived on an acreage, huge shop with vehicle lift. They had to pull the gas tank to get at the problem but i don't know what exactly was wrong. Issue with the emissions system too and they fixed it. Quite a few years back now.
Thanks for fixing my 4Runner again Ivan! I’m sure I’ll be back.
I'm sure you will too. 😂😂😂
Those evap systems seem so complicated.
lol I thought you were sick until I realized my play back speed was on .75 from watching Project Farms.
always thought the gas escaped from the filler neck during filling - complicated! Great video Ivan - nice narration and fixes.
For late 90s and earlier cars the gas did escape from the filler neck. The newer systems filter it through the canister during refueling :)
Love the Trump sign and a great channel
Looks like that frame is spent on rust. Vehicle is protecting itself. Can't fill the tank because if it was full it would fall out on the road. Rust bucket.
That 4 runner is mint compared to most vehicles in the north east
Good MORNING IVAN!! Much love from around the corner in PGH! Love seeng your process. It is mesmerizing at times, with how easy you make this seem!
Awesome repair....now what about the rust.....
Interesting diagnostic, Ivan! Unusual problem, offering an informative look at the EVAP system (always welcome - it's a somewhat obscure system).
Cool video, Toyota sure did make their evap awfully complicated. I recently had one that I wanted to pass a drive cycle monitor before I returned it to the customer, and they made that painful too!
My old Toyota does the same thing, however to pay somebody to repair it exceeds the value of what this car is worth. So I just set the gas pump handle on the first click and problem solved. About once every 2 months I have to disconnect the battery to get rid of the 440/441 code.
Since you're already using topdon battery charger, have you considered using their scanner like what supermario and diagnose dan is using? Remember to give us a review on it too 🥳
Topdon is the same as ThinkTool aka Launch 😊
I though you said Tampon battery charger 😅😅
Same engine, same codes, same issue.. same bad valve. But…. My issue was there is a little anti syphon / roll over flap inside those gas tanks. They’re supposedly non replaceable as they are “built in the tanks”. But if you can squeeze your arm inside the tank than you can pop it off,, mine was rotted away just enough where it shoved itself up in the filler tube and sealed it up kinda.. i just ripped it out and fixed the issue.. had me going for a week.. checked all the tubes, canister literally everything and it still was not taking gas, would take 30 mins to fill the tank.. had to drop the tank and remove that flap.. and they dont sell those flappers so either do without and remember if you roll over to gtfo.. or go to junkyard and hope to find a tank and remove the flap without breaking it…. Headache..,
Since you have to pull the tank, why not just swap it?
I was trying to figure out the problem. Is he using those stupid gas pumps that seal to the neck? Should have plenty of room for air to get out around the filler nozzle.
Trouble filling my 2006 Marquis after not driving for a few weeks during covid. A spider built a nest at the end of the vent tube. I added a screen to keep them out.
For a few dollars more, I would have gone with OEM parts.
Nice fix. Never saw that style of spilt flange before. Does that clamp onto the exhaust pipe tight enough to hold it in place without a tack weld?
Ughgh i hate Evap stuff coz they had problems to diagnosis. At least it's all fixed correctly. Nice video Ivan!!
I can only assume that the filler nozzle, from the Petrol Bowser, seals the inlet of the tank? Otherwise the tank filling would be normal as it would vent around the filler.
Nope just regular nozzle. After about 2000 all cars in the USA vent through the canister instead of the filler neck 👍
I haven't had much luck with Standard products lately. I hope it works for you. Probably still better odds than those crappy ones that have to get thrown out the DOORMAN continuously. But even hitting the lottery big is odds than that. 😂😂
Once in a while Standard reboxes OEM parts...then it's a win haha! Otherwise definitely a crapshoot...
Would have loved to see EVAP mode 6 before code clearing and after monitor run and pass after repair.
That tool is discontinued, what is the new equivalent?
Ivan fixed it again!!
Right now there is a thousand guys crawling under their vehicles looking for damage from a leaking exhaust. Yet there is a thousands more NOT looking of damage even though they know they have a leaking exhaust.
Geeeze that intrusive EVAP system is more complicated then a nuclear reactor!!
Another job well done👍👍
Thank you Ivan
Thanks for the video Ivan.
Nice diag and repair
Thanks Ivan!
You know, Ivan, the ol' Marquis is 30 years old and I have NEVER touched the exhaust system and it is twin exhaust.
Thank u Ivan. Your videos are really good.
If the Vent Valve on the Evap system is stuck closed, back pressure causes the Gasoline Pump to shut off for safety reasons. The Vent Valve on the Charcoal Canister is normally open when the Engine is off. This prevents pressure from building up in the Evap system.
There is no active vent valve on this system 😄
If there is no vent valve on the respective system, then where does the Back Pressure go when the vehicle is being filled with fuel?
It can still have a working vent valve but if the charcoal cannister is saturated it still will cause the gas pump to click off repeatedly when filling. People that keep overfilling the fuel tank cause the cannister to break apart and the charcoal inside it then starts causing repeat evap valve failures.
There’s a vent tube on the filler neck, a vent on the canister and a purge vent more or less that runs up to the filler neck also.. and when people with these motors fill the tank and over fill it pumping gas past the first click than the gas while driving will slosh up the filler and down the purge vents filling the charcoal canister.. this clogs the valves on it as there are 2 mechanical valves that work with back pressures from the evap lines from under the hood.. this causes the dreaded non fillable tank but wont bust the canister. Will just turn the guts into sludge..
@@davidhall3747it's just a passive one way "dump valve" that opens with a bit of pressure like shown in the diagram 👍
Customer: "Can't refuel my vehicle!"
Technician : "Your tailpipe's broken!"
Customer: "Huh?"
Hot gases all under the vehicle maybe getting inside the vehicle. Not good!
Smoke machine for the win!
Good one Ivan.
Just curious why you don’t ever use Altel scanners?
Thank you PHAD
Is the top don scan tool link the replacement for the think tool?
Thank you in advance for your answer
Topdon is the scanner du jour
I was on my way out of town, stopped to fill the tank of my Silverado. No-fill. Went back home, removed the filler neck from the tank and found a quarter-size piece of cardboard blocking the pipe, likely from the previous owner putting in snake oil.
?? What did u do with the small hose that u found disconnected????
I though PA had annual safety inspections. How did this vehicle end up like this?
Your the man Ivan
well done.
Some customers like to live dangerously, fumes and exhaust gas don't mix
Maybe some Tide Pods in the gas tank will help.
Hi, can you tell me how to get a scope like yours and what brand is it? Because after a year and half, finally fixed my car fuel trim problem just by putting back the OEM MAP sensor that i replaced by mistake with Delphi OE one that cause my fuel trim to go up by 10 percent, after putting the OEM back, fuel trim went back to 5 percent (i got the idea from your advice to use only OEM electronic parts) if i have a scope, i could figured it out the problem from the waves form of the aftermarket MAP sensor.
I couldnt believe it, 10 more percent of unnecessary fuel consumption, that a lot, and cause engine rough idle and bad performance, not that bad since no check engine light, but the rough idle is an annoying problem if you drive the car too long, you can feel it on the steering wheel and the seat, in addition to transmission poor shifting.
creativity is amazing and endless cutting the plastic line and putting generic hose and understanding the system and the adaptor on the exhaust did not totally understand why you had to do that had issues with standard motor products last couple of years they are like everyone else selling out to china
What are you looking at for a new scantool
I would love to take a road trip your way. I have a 2018 F-150. Sometime it takes in the top of the motor where the manifold is I think. And sometime it doesn't. I'm old school I'm not computer educated. Do not know exactly how to contact you. To talk to you and see if we can set up a date to hook up. Holla back at me if you might be interested. Thank you Ivan love your videos love to meet you. I watch South main Auto to
First viewer
Didn't know it was a competition 2:59 3:01
Why is the think tool being discontinued? Is there a new one coming out?
Ivan, are there any deals on those ThinkTool scanners since they're being discontinued?? Newer model coming out? Thanks as always!
Interesting. Had one difficult time to fill my tank recently, but no check engine light, and next fill was normal. For now I'm thinking the gas station fuel pump probably was somehow faulty.
The flow of gas station pumps differs a lot, some cars don´t like high-flow filling but it works ok when you hold the nozzle half way.
Good one Ive!😊
what is your next obd2 device , please make a vidoe about them , also why don't you buy ( launch pad VII or Autel maxysis ultra or Topdon pheonix ultra)
Any more info on the discontinuation of the Thinktool Pros? I don't even think mine is a year old. Are we still going to get updates?
Ivan, i guess the saying is correct. 'An Ounce of Prevention Is Worth a Pound of Cure'
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I bet you the owner still has not fixed the exhaust cause he fixed it temporarily and that's good enough for the customer until the rust damages it more.
Mine was a clogged charcoal canister it was doing same
This channel is top notch- let's get Ivan to 1 million subscribers and share these videos with all our friends!
Oh no. Did you forget to remove the part sticker from the tailpipe?
A self-eliminating problem
NO BUTT CONNECTORS REQUIRED !!!! 🤣
These EVAP systems are ridiculously complex because of so many failure points. How much of an impact do they really have on the environment?
Impressive, Ivan. I need an EVAP refresher every once in a while. Your the best! MAGA!
love your maga sign ,,,
Supports a spineless coward! Makes him one!
@@gmv0553 GFY.
looks like were in for a real up hill battle
ohio is for trump.....an that illegal trial just proves that the new dems want total control ,,,
I'd expect BMW or Mercedes to design something this complicated, but Toyota? 😮
That broken exhaust pipe is extremely dangerous the owner is very lucky his car didn't go on fire
As much work as you do and with as much open land as you have why not construct a suitable garage with lift?
Toyotas EVAP systems are way over engineered and expensive to work on. I had a customers car that had several EVAP codes the system had a leak detection pump built into the canister that turns on and pulls a vacuum after it is parked. The pump had failed and you had to replace the entire canister. Was over $600 from Toyota.
Poor mans vape pen.
He's lucky he didn't have a fire.
Set the charger to nuclear
in case of fire smash glass , he's a lucky dude he could of been roasting marshmallows on the side of the road .
or slept through it.
why do peoplr think its safe to drive a car around with a blowing exhaust??
Crusty
I knew The sign was going to get People riled up. 😅😅😅
Its called freedom of speech.
I think its funny myself.
Toyota these days just aint what it used to be.
It's funny how you just bad mouth aftermarket parts how they after junk and suddenly it's okay to use aftermarket you have been contradicting yourself for a while now so stop complaining about aftermarket parts when you use them to . that's calling the kettle black .
Oh, no! A non-critical aftermarket part for a 22yo, corroded truck? Lighten up, Francis.
Ivan makes a clear distinction between critical and non-critical parts. He also makes a distinction between electrical and mechanical parts. He doesn't complain about aftermarket mechanical. For electrical, if it's a sensor that will cause the engine to run poorly, he insists on OEM. In this video, he went aftermarket with the solenoid (electrical) because it's not going to cause performance problems or the engine to not start. At worst, the problem would be annoying.
Sometimes You get lucky and sometimes not even with non electrical aftermarket. I recently put a Chinesium crankcase vent valve on a 2.0t VW and it worked great, for one day. The 230$ OEM is supposed to arrive today. Lucky it didn’t pop the rear main seal.
@@zeropointenergy1574 Lets all give a round of applause for Ivan, our big toe ..... or sore thumb......
Not to mention standard motor products is known to use oem parts with the oem branding scratched off