Starter Series: HDO Pads on Soft Paint
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- Introducing the Lake Country Manufacturing Starter Series to polishing. In this episode, Kelly Harris walks us down how to tackle soft paint and black B-pillars with our Lake Country Manufacturing HDO Pads.
In this episode, Kelly used HDO pad range.
You can view HDO pads here:
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0:00 Introduction
1:51 HDO Pads and Priming
4:51 HDO Blue Cutting Correction
8:07 Cutting Results Before and After
10:41 B Pillars - Stage 1 Cutting
16:37 B Pillars - Stage 2 Polishing
21:30 Final Thoughts on 2 Stage Correction
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bit.ly/2KLwDke - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I like this guy he explains things nice and slow so everyone can understand
You did the right thing. Preservation over Perfection
The amount of light in there makes Me very jealous!! ! So clean too!! I love it!!
My first customer coating was a focus rs in black and the black paint was vary deceptive finding swirls the light had to be just the right angle, color temp and eye position. It would look amazing then once the light was just perfect you'd see a haze even using a 1m throw polisher with a rupes yellow pad and sonax perfect finish. I had to clean the pad 1 to 3 times per panel and finish polishing on speed 2. I used a waterless wash to wipe off the polish due to the towel leaving vary light scratches, I used a 500 GSM towel for coating removal. I Definitely regretted charging what I did in the end but I learned my lesson.
What a great great video Again from start to finish. Very helpful thank you
You're welcome, thanks for the great feedback
Definitely worth the time to get the piano trim right. BTW this video has been extremely helpful to me. Thanks for putting out this content.
Glad it helped!
Excellent video! Newbie and this is exactly what I needed to see for the piano trim on my car. Thank you
Perfect, the video is doing its job :)
Fantastic insight Kelly, thank you 😀
Glad it was helpful!
very informative
I have done one stages and two stages on piano black but I've never used just a compound on them, polishes only and refined an awful lot with the one pad, blowing the pad with air multiple times per step. Sometimes I use two, three or four liquids at the same time, their made from the same base formula so can be mixed together. The less steps Im doing on paint or trim, the more liquids Im using, the opposite for more steps. Im very happy that you got the recognition from LC to become an ambassador for them, you deserve it.
Great feedback Matthew! Side note: A lot of times B-pillars are actually a different coating than clear coat, so sometimes its best to be least aggressive on them.
I've used a green polish Lake County CCS Pad as a one step. Even black paint. And it works fine. 3D one or Diy polish.
Lake Country HDO pads are the best pads I've ever used! Practically perfect every time. The only thing I have ever found about HDO is that they have a tendency toward being a bit on the difficult side to clean. That's okay! I'll toss them into a pale of water and a clear detergent right after use . Get a good soaking and carry on. When I do change pad types, it will probably be when LC designs a better one. But you cant go wrong with a long-throw polisher and HDO! Thank you for the great demo!!!
Thanks for the great feedback Jeff! Out of interest have you seen Kelly's demonstration of the System 4000 pad washer? In it, he shows how HDO pads can be easily cleaned - it's worth watching the whole video, but this link will take you to the exact section: czcams.com/video/5qZm67t71dw/video.html
The LC 4000 pad washer fixes that. Love mine. One of the best investments I've made. Love their pads!
Brilliant info Kelly. Just bought 2 Hdo pads to work on my BMW M4 with a similar colour to this focus hopefully it comes up as good as this 😃😁
Good luck with it :)
We used to do 3 stages in for a solid black car but time was against us if it was a trade car.
but two is definitely needed on solid black great video
Thanks for the feedback :)
Good job. Nice video.
Thank you very much!
great video, to answer your last question, id say im more fussed for the glossy finish and would refine the clarity of the finish rather than chase every swirl and scratch. I think even with top ceramics, they still scratch so lightly polish the car once a year to give it that pop using a mild polish, my favourite is carpro reflect with rupes yellow pad but i do like the lake country pads, i have a couple and they are equally as good.
THE Master
Good video
Thanks! :)
Want more!
Will do!
Loving the content, I've been using rupes lhr15 machine for awhile but normally crank up to 5/6 speed for correction, I noticed you said you used speed 2/3, will this still cut well?
Yes, as long as you apply enough pressure too. Your cutting rate is a function of the 'abrasiveness' of your pad and compound, the 'speed' of the machine tool and the 'pressure' being applied.
You only take off enough clearcoat to do the job. Especially considering the softer, thinner clearcoats coming from the factories. For those "piano" black B pillars on my '19 Range Rover Velar, I do two stages. My OCD won't allow anything less.
My 2004 Z06 has been compounded by The Wolfgang Twins (Orange CCS/White) three times using FLEX 3401. I’m pretttty sure My clear won’t take another compounding. I’m due for a re-coat(CSL-EXOV4 in October 2020). So that’ll likely be done in the fall. Thanks for a terrific video. We can always learn more!
I know HDO pads are designed for da systems. Can they be used on a rotary polisher? If not, which pads from lake country are suitable to be used on both da and rotary actions
Really enjoying these clear, practical tutorials... New to DA polishing so as many soft passes as it takes 😂
Piano black guide very helpful, seen elsewhere before but not as well explained... Thanks 👍
Ps... Is modern Jaguar paint classed as soft or hard? Still nervous when polishing 😬
Modern Jaguars are typically pretty soft :)
How many pads did you use to complete a car like this and when does one know when to change the pad during the process of correction, some say one pad for every 2 panels, isn’t that excessive?
Hi Kelly,
I have a 2020 VW Tiguan R-line in black pearl and I have tried to give it a polish but I'm getting nowhere.
I'm using a medium hard foam pad on a DAS 6 and I've tried Sonax Perfect Finish and Sonax CutMaxx but it doesn't seem to be touching it at all. I might aswell have sprayed it with water for all the difference it's made!
It's not badly swirled as I two bucket, snow foam etc etc.
But I want to get it perfect in preparation for applying a ceramic coating.
What would you recommend?
I'm guessing it's one of those rare rock hard German paints you've mentioned.
I was toying with the idea of a Uro Fibre 50/50 pad and some Koch Chemie compound and polish when I discovered your channel.
We recommend using a heavier foam pad while maintaining your compound of choice. Possibly a Microfiber pad may do the trick based on your experience with a medium foam pad.
@@LakeCountryManufacturing brilliant. Thank you for your reply.
Great info. I have a 2year japanese suv. With less swirls though. So would the blue pad be ok on a 210mm da polisher? Also, i use meguairs compound & polish by hand till now(for an older car). Would the polish remove the lighter swirls on my car? Just thinking that the compound on a 2y car might take away more clear coat than necessary. Thanks for your time & sharing your experience.
Let's assume you mean 21mm, not 210mm. Yes you can use the Blue HDO pad with that, although it may be more aggressive than you need. Perhaps start with the Orange HDO first and see how that goes.
Polishes and compounds are just 'liquid abrasives' of varying aggressiveness, and as detailers trying to work efficiently we need to select the appropriate level of 'cut' for the task at hand. If you're working with particularly soft paint or very minor defects you'll require less cut, and so sometimes a gentle finishing polish/pad will actually do all you need. Give it a try :)
@@LakeCountryManufacturing Thanks very much.Yes.21mm.Getting in the world of detailing step by step.
Where did Kelly get that light from? Looks like a versatile light.
Scangrip, lots of places sell them.
Been looking at replacing my hex logic pads with HDO ones. I have a black honda civic type r and trying to find a good one step. When you say one pass, how many times up and down is that?
A pass is "however many times it takes you to get the use out of the compound." This will vary from pad to compound to car to size of area being worked on etc, so we prefer not to be overly prescriptive. Compounds have the most cut when they're fresh from the bottle, so at the start of a pass is when you can work the hardest and get the most correction done. Continuing the pass for longer will help diminish the compound more, allowing you to adjust your speed and pressure and refine your result further.
On a black Honda, if it's got soft paint, you may find it's tricky to refine a cutting compound down far enough to leave professionally satisfying results (not impossible, just tricky). If that's the case, I recommend you use your cutting compound/pad to remove defects and then STOP refining further with it - there's no point, even if there's a little haze (orbital) or light holograms (rotary) leftover. Switch to the refining pad and let that finish the job!
Tips for refining:
1. Make sure you are working cleanly - no dust, dirty edges, clean microfiber towels etc..
2. Take your finest polishing compound and use it to fully (but finely) prime the whole polishing pad face.
3. With your polisher, be sure to WORK the polish to help the abrasives diminish. That means use a little MORE pressure and HIGHER machine speed to begin with, and gradually reduce both to normal levels over the course of your pass, as the polishing liquid turns clearer. Take your time.
@@LakeCountryManufacturing thank you for the detailed reply, very helpful!
Hello and good year . The RS mk3 is a soft paint, but do you know about the RS mk2 ?. I have an RS mk2 ultimate Green, but it's hard to get an idea?!, On the one hand the clear coat looks soft, with swirl removal very easily with finishing polishes like meguiar's M210, and on the other hand rather hard and you have to go over a Meguiar's M110 compound to have the same swirls ?!. Like wiping with microfiber, after tests with good lighting, I can wipe and wipe without creating the slightest defect, and in some places too much wiping can sometimes lead to micro-scratches! Weird no, to have parts of a hard clear coat and some soft parts.
When do you think ?. Thanks in advance .
Hi Nico, it's possible / common to find some panels react differently. It would be strange if one front wing was soft and the other one was hard, but (for example) bumpers on many cars tend to be more resistant to polishing than the rest of the bodywork. Also if there has been any aftermarket paintwork / repairs, this would cause variation. It's been a while since I polished a Mk2 Focus RS but I don't remember it being particularly unusual... sorry I can't be more helpful from here!
What compound did you use with the Blue HDO pad for the single step correction?
Hi Steve, we don't recommend any specific compounds or polishes just to remain neutral on that matter since there are so many great options to choose from. The product used was a medium grade compound.
It was Oberk.
Yes please made a video on hard and soft paint so blue pad was a one step?
See around 6:10 min mark for example. Kelly talks around 11:00 mark about what worked for this specific scenario
Hello, You mention you use a type of compound polish. Is it a type of wax?
I'm not sure where in the video Kelly says this but maybe he said 'compound or polish' - in the UK there isn't really a distinction, liquids are called 'cutting compounds' or 'polishing compounds' whereas we know other places will just use 'compound' to describe a cutting liquid, or 'polish' to describe a (finely cutting) finishing liquid.
Either way no, it's not a type of wax!
What compoind did you use with the hdo pad?
Oberk Supreme Cut
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How can I tell when is a soft paint ?
There is no way to tell definitively just by looking, and you will come to learn with experience, but in general:
Modern clearcoats tend to be softer than they were 15+ years ago.
Very few modern clearcoats are hard compared with 15+ years ago - some manufacturers used ceramic clearcoats with a higher density which were extremely tough, but even the average was harder than the average from today.
In my experience, basically no cars made since about 2015 have 'hard' paint.
Very new cars with lots of swirls tend to mean it's going to be fairly soft paint.
Older cars with not many swirls suggests it might be a tougher surface.
This is all partly why random orbital polishers have become so popular in recent years. Since they now have larger orbits (15 or 21mm, compared with 8mm like they used to be), RO polishers can offer much more cut than they used to, and tackle heavier tasks. At the same time, we've seen paint surfaces gradually get softer in general. So: you've got orbital polishers getting stronger, and paint getting softer. As these factors have converged, the need for the ultimate cutting power of a rotary has gradually diminished...*
*Arguably! There are plenty of guys and girls out there who swear by rotary for all circumstances, and we're not here to tell everyone what they have to do! That being said, at our UK facility we covered this very situation with a pro detailer who was 'rotary-only' late last year, and once he understood how to use a random orbital properly (and how it avoids many of the drawbacks of rotary work) his words were "I can't believe I've been wasting my time for 10 years...."
@@LakeCountryManufacturing thanks for your advice ! 👍
Love the pads, switched from rupes pads a while ago due to them being very short lasting, I’m using the same lhr 15 rupes machine but your pads take a lot more abuse than the rupes ones
That's something we've heard a lot, but it never gets old. Thank you!
isnt lake country is based in the US ? just wondered why did his accent sound british ?
You're correct! Lake Country is proudly based in Oconomowoc, Wisconsin USA. That's also where our products are made, however we have a growing international presence which is why we have invested in our UK training center (and the people in it). Kelly Harris is a world-renowned industry figure and we brought him on board as our Global Director of Training last year. The facility he led at KDS Keltec (with Jay Broom) makes for a perfect training / development / research center, a unique asset that we've also brought into the LC family to help us move forward. There is a lot of content in the editing stage right now that shows how the workshop has been adapted recently, but for some further context (and to learn more about what KDS Keltec was all about) please take a quick look back to 2019: czcams.com/video/LAb5cr4MB_8/video.html
2stage if something to deep leave alone
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