I strongly disagree that having the points cost of your models behind a paywall is 'salt'. Rulebooks, faction books and edition changes seems to have become a sort of 'tax' for your minis. We bought the expensive GW models, we bought the expensive GW paints and the 50 rulebooks to play. We should *not* have to pay again just for the privilage of balancing our army every time GW decides to update the game rules.
@@DRsideburns Pirate the book (don't ask me for the link, google it) , print out or save the rules section of the book, then delete the original file. Use Battlescribe to build your army for free.
@@DRsideburns I haven't actually started playing 40k yet (just getting started myself), but I'm planning on using the "Grimdark Future" rule set from the One Page Rules website. It's a greatly simplified version, but it's free. It even has rules for discontinued and homebrew armies like Squats ("Dwarf Guilds") and space Skaven ("Ratman Clans"). Obviously it's not GW sanctioned, but it looks ideal for casual matches with friends.
@@DismemberTheAlamo I am speculating they might make a starter more along the lines of the $100 Know No Fear box (the one that came with a cardboard playmat) with a smaller rulebook (like the one that came with Dark Vengeance). Dark Imperium was an absolutely fantastic starter, but $200 + codexes could be a bit oof for new players. Ultimately, they could also produce a starter kit that doesnt come with models, intended to be purchased alongside Start Collecting box(es).
This is finally a box not as a starter, but made for people with armies already who are looking to get into another one or add to an existing one, at least that is my take.
I get your point about the photography, just from my point of view my son will just sit and look at those armies and let his imagination fire. I think for me that's cool to see
Ha! I used to do that with JCPenny and Sears Xmas catalogs. I discovered wargaming around 12 or 13. I had grown out of circling all the things I want. It makes me happy that young kids have so much available.
This was me when I was younger. Like the photos of these grand collections of ultramarines set up in company formation was just such a cool photo (this was the original plastic sculpts, the ones where the marines had their bolters pressed to their chests and the dreads were still metal)
The photography of miniature armies fighting is not in there for you. Your already hyped and sold on the hobby It’s primary purpose is aspirational motivation for new players. It takes a whole lot of work to get even the stuff in that box playable and they need to motivate and hype new players. Game boxes that fail to hype people up never make it to the table. It’s also a sales catalog
I'm not so sure that it the case and think it would be a massive mistake if it were true. Some one who is brand new to the hobby is then confronted by multiple pages of Golden Daemon standard paint jobs is as likely to be overwhelmed as they are to be inspired. Also, having listened to Uncy Atom, the layout smacks of the days of the disastrous decision to split the White Dwarf into a light weight hobby mag and that disgusting little A5 mag with nothing but pictures of painted models. If you were a subscriber at the time you were lumbered with the latter mag which did nothing for me anyway. Further, this time around the lads at GW state that this box is more for the 40k army that are already committed to the game and the start collecting boxes will be pushed for the newbies. I mean the new box will be pricey enough for a "starter box".
Same reason points are not in there looks like it will have intro scenarios that don't need points a bit like a board game, nothing scares off fresh meat like a sweaty nerd explaining his min maxed army. That chapter approved looks like an armies book book to get you up to date while we wait for Codexes, The other thing was a tournament book! I like that! in the past the quest for balance in the tournament scene meant looking all over for amendments so this looks like one place for those updates and up date every 6 months maybe?
@@wezab we are talking about the core rulebook. largely the first or second thing people coming to the game will buy, not the whole box set. a small portion of people may be intimidated by it but by and large advertising sells the ideal form of a product. those photos mirror the the cakes on the front of cake mix. almost no one expects their cake to look that nice the picture is there to make them want cake.
It also looks like the photography is to give you an idea of what the minis look like painted as different chapters and perhaps different terrain and basing ideas. Will very much enjoy looking at those shots when I buy my Indomitus box!
5:02 your looking at the pages and pages of art as someone who’s been playing for 10+ years. I started in 8th and one distinct memory is flipping through codex and rulebook art on a road trip just looking at the battles and models. I still do this with old rule books and white dwarfs. It’s the age of the internet but not everyone getting into the game will be fully aware of e era warhammer related site
I wont complain about the photography heaviness. This is the perfect "camp book" No internet at camp, no TV and I can get lost in the photography and really enjoy this type of "Coffee Table" book. From a "I need to take this with me to the FLGS" sure its big and heavy, but at the price points GW charges for these types of books I expect some meatiness and extras. I'm sure GW will put out a thinner more "Rules Orientated" book. no points its kinda crummy, Day 1 DLC, /sigh chapter approved. That will have to wait a until the payday after hehe. Thanks for the video. Edit: Was unaware that the 9E rulebook was going to be sold seperate Day 1 and exact, lol...should have watched tl the end b4 posting.
Quite honestly ...seeing as how the points values nearly always instantly change right after the main rule book hits shelves , I think this was a good move .
They didn't put out a mini-rulebook for 8th (unless you were one of the very few who got the very Limited Collector's Edition rulebook) so we can't count on that.
That's how I got into 40k to begin with! A guy in the cabin I was in brought his (at the time) new 3rd Ed Space Marine, Imperial Guard, and Eldar codecies. He let me look at them and I think I ended up spending just about every bit of free time just pouring over the pictures of the battles and armies. That picture of the full Ultramarines chapter left quite an impression.
No need it you love painting and or playing. Great hobby. Now it's a chore for me to paint because I don't have a setup area so for me it's easy to sell models lol. So all depends on you and the hobby. If you are just storing plastic though, sell it.
They released the Core Rules for free on the Community Site (probably early cause of the leak). So, thankfully you'll just need to buy the Chapter Approved for the updated points to get started in 9th
Agreed The Core rules pdf was always going to be available so points players don't need to be out of pocket by getting the big book. As for me, I may as well give GW my credit card PIN now. I want those Primaris!
@@Donmegamuffin Yeah that's the thing. The free core rules aren't really "free" because you still need the actual rulebook for all the things you've mentioned, in addition to the Open, Narrative, Matched Play rules, the new Crusade system rules, AND any missions other than the Open War mission that's included in the "free" rules.
I think the only thing keeping me from playing Warhammer is the fact that $50 rules books drop every 6 months. I played a lot of competitive heroclix back in the day and there’s only been 1 big rule revision and it was a free pdf, and all point erratas could be found easily and quickly online.
I do, but I know some people are really anal about folks using Battlescribe so I try to keep points values and such directly from GW on-hand in case someone starts bitching.
Intellectual Property rights my dude the moment the 1.0 Warhammer 40K app goes live GW will bring that ban hammer down and battlescribe will be a thing of the past
@@robertanstee443 Many rules and stats are out there for free, theres no way they can shut them down. It's not like Battlescribe has all the stratagems and faction rules anyway.
I'm buying two of these, I really like every model in it and I'm giving the second rule book to a friend of mine who does commission work as a trade off so he can paint one of the Captains. As a long term player, who is currently going through a resurgence of enjoyment in the hobby, I'm really down for this.
@@Orlkov I'm not sure, yet. 😂 So, I was online during the cluster fuck of 10am, put down my order for two, then the site crashed. Went to do it again, it seemed to go through and then I failed to get any conformation through. So I have three separate orders, two of 2 boxes and another for all the new paints. None of them have come out of pending. I think I've missed it but my money is still floating so I'm not sure. 🤔 😂
I am buying primarily for the Space Marines and rule book. I would be okay with the Necrons as a second army, and use the extra bits for my Marine bases, but I have let my Necron playing friends know I would be open to the idea of selling them.
Yeah, the photography is for people who aren't already hyped for the game. Having said that, as someone who IS hyped for the game, I always love that stuff. I love looking at all the minis sort of photo'd as if it were an actual battle. No idea why, I'm just really into it.
I WISH 5TH 6TH AND 7TH ED RULES HAD BEEN THIS CLEAR would have would have prevented rules abuses such at someone thinking that terminator armour allowed the model to assault the same turn that it deep struck
In the 8th Edition Fantasy book they had lots of good pictures but it wasn't just straight up photography, it was pictures of big cinematic battles and some story to go with it. I really like that part of the book.
Listening to the improvised names as you pull things out is awesome "here we have some motorcycle dudes, this is the big boss, here's the necron tall boi, ... "
I think it's pretty damn lazy. If you're going to make a video on something, then surely you'd want to get your facts straight. The names will probably be right on the box like all other previous boxes or in that "biggest ever book". It's been stated that this is not a starter set, so why would we need guides on how to paint? I myself love artwork and reference pictures that I don't have to search on the internet, maybe I'm old fashioned, but I love the thumbing through all these types of books. I don't even play, just enjoy the modelling and painting side of it
I play Kill Team, and I've bee real interested in Combat (paw) Patrol, but I am definitely not going to buy 3 books and an app just to play. I'll stick with Kill Team if that's the case. Thanks for a informative video as always Uncle Atom!
If you want kick ass Primaris space marines with Skulls and skeletons on their shields and heraldry, this is the box to get at the moment. And this is the box that will probably put me into buying a Necron army. /WalletCrying
Looks like a Starter Box to me. You get the book, with a looooot of background information and two armies. So if you've never played 40k before, I think that's the way to go. Split the price with a friend and both of you will have a lot of fun.
Yeah. I think all the old "fiddly bits", aka rulers/dice/etc are easily enough gotten without being in a starter box. Minis and the Rules are the only two things absolutely required to be a starter box imo.
"Split the price with a friend and both of you will" ... be in debt for the remainder of your life, looking at gw's pricing policy, even if it actually turns out to be a good buy.
I do wish they offered a more 'bare bones' version of the rule book which was purely for the info needed to play, whilst all the fluffy stuff is nice, sometimes when you're playing and looking for a rule having a book which is twice as thick as necessary makes things a tad awkward. 9th ed is looking pretty cool so far, but as usual GW have done goofed which will require an faq to fix fairly sharpish as it outright breaks some setups. 1+ armour saves (which can be achieved in a few ways) can now ONLY be failed on an unmodified 1, so no matter the -AP only a save roll of a 1 will go through. It feels like these minor cockups are becoming the norm for all GW book releases.
I see a bunch of people complaining about the price, which we haven't officially heard yet, but I've seen it as MSRP of $200. We do know the book by itself is $65 for this special edition. I did some back of the napkin math and figured you're getting something along the lines $500-600 of dudes according to usual GW pricing. Even if you knock decent chunk off to like $400 because it's mono-pose it's a pretty good deal, if you've got the cash of course. Dark Imperium worked itself to around $450, and with a similar cut back maybe more like $300-350. I don't know, seems like some people struggle to get the discounted prices
I am in a bind here (no pun intended) - I want to start with 40K and hence was interested in getting this Box. Not because I like Space marines or Necrons but because it has two armies...
Same here man I just ended up getting start collecting genestealer cults and tyranids cause I can run them together or play a small game with a friend, couldn’t wait haha
The price actually seems decent. Just keep in mind you'll also be paying for a limited edition rule book with extra fluff pictures. You may not want that and be paying for it. Guess you could sell it, it's all dependant if the price is right for you. Otherwise, they will be releasing a starter box for 9th edition and perhaps will have more things (rulers, dice, data cards) that you'll be interested in to start playing.
Mine always seem to be pretty neat up when I get them, which I guess means they’re doing their job - which is to protect the book from being scratched up by the dories in transit. Thanks for watching!
I've seen the retail price for the box set in the UK for about £100. There's 61 models in the set so forgetting the rulebook it works out around £1.60 per model. I only play casually with some friends and we amend the rules as we see fit depending on the forces in play etc. None of us are serious and always bend the rules to suit our enjoyment. I genuinely get more pleasure from building and painting the models than playing so I'll probably indulge for the sheer amount of models
I don't see how they can put the points behind a paywall. It will propably be a matter of hours before the points end up on some random third party website or pdf for online distribution. If so it will only dilaute games workshop control of things as many will propably just ignore their changes in favour of what the favourite community website says. Honestly if they intend to make an app, hopefully for tablets and not just phones, then it makes a hell of a lot of sense to make a sort of "build your army" feature where you can compose armies using any available unit from the 40k universe and store them online. That way they can do targeted advertisment which caters to your army compositions. It's also a great tool to see how new models are received.
I don't mind the photography, but I do think it could have been integrated to the area that talked about the army instead of lumped together after the section. Since the points change every year I'd rather them not be in the core rules. Chapter approved seams to be like AoS's Generals Handbook, which they also separated into 2 books. I really hope they take a page out of AoS and just put the points in the app for free.
I love those photography pages, and I look at them all the time! Completely understand your viewpoint though. For me, it is probably nostalgia from being a kid and looking at the similar photos in 3rd.
Looking forward to getting my set and starting again. I haven't painted a 40k miniature for 11 years! In 2009 my bungalow was flooded out and all my 40k stuff was destroyed. I now feel like I'm ready to start again, This box seems like the perfect way for me to get back into the hobby. Got some new paints and equipment this week, now waiting for the boxes set to come this weekend.
I still think Dave is still right about this dude's voice. I think you have audiobook voice. This box set is friggin awesome. I'm getting one for my birthday, giving my girlfriend the necrons while I get those new awesome space marine mini's. I get to show her how to play this game in the new edition and I finally get close combat marines. Bladeguard mini's are pure 🔥.
I pick up the 9th rules book for half price on EBay, and was glad I did. So much of the artwork was retreaded. I would have felt robbed had I paid full price. That being said getting this box or the command edition box is a good start and great value just because the rule book is included. When I finally made the leap from the 40K Dawn of War series to the table top. I literally brought all of the starter kits at the time First strike,know no Fear, Dark Imperium. I was also glad I didn’t get the 8th edition rule book separately for the same reason.
I’ve been fascinated by 40k for years, never started building or painting and don’t hate me... But I want to just grab this box, and hold onto it for when I’m ready to start
As a young kid I always flicked straight to the photos, it was them that inspired me and now over twenty years on, I am purely a collector and painter with the ambition of painting to the standard I used to drool over as a kid. Those few colour pages to me WERE the book, the lore was also very interesting as were the drawings, and then the rules least so. It also pleases me to see that although the ever-expensive rulebooks are still getting dearer, at least they are still a thick meaty book with even more colour per page than ever. And lots of nice pics :p Different strokes for different folks and all but please don't diss the best bit haha
They're not going to make people pay to see point values, the app is likely going to have everything bundled in. CA is the same as last year where you had CA the book with all the beta stuff etc and the field manual with all the points values in.
If they could finally catch up with Wizards of the Coast, and start running things like D&D Beyond does things, Warhammer would finally join us in the 2010s. The number one most significant thing that has improved Dungeons & Dragons was the introduction of D&D Beyond so that everyone has access to the core rules and then option to purchase additional rules for their characters as they will and everything is already integrated into be online build app which is free. GW did this they could then make all of these random hard to find books available online as DLC and therefore they would still make their money but people would be able to have the current correct rules. Hell it would even be worth it to have the rules as a subscription service
@@RecklessFables personally whether I'm playing an rpg or I'm playing warhammer I want the physical book. I have a few of the digital ones, and its the opposite of fun to read those. I would also not want to see the official app cost anything, otherwise I'm just gonna keep supporting Battlescribe until GW pulls a Hasbro and tries to take it down.
I tend to always wait for the small stripped down rulebook to drop (usually a few months later). I am quite tempted by the box for the first time ever (I normally avoid starter boxes) because I run Necrons and I might paint the Primaris as Salamanders but I need to see points first.
I plan to split this box with my friendly neighborhood Necron player... and I know I've been banging this drum all over youtube, but BUY LOCAL. Your neighbors need your support right now.
My son is buying one to beef up his Ultramarines. I'm considering buying one for my Space Wolves. Damn the Necrons do look fun to paint too. Not my army but maybe one of my grandkids will play them
My bet is points are going on an app so they can update as required and push to all players without splitting the current points across multiple documents.
I would never condone pirating, but to have my AoS armies and have a great app that I can use for all my units and use battlescribe for list building it really means I only need to buy the army book, and the models. I've been wanting to get into 40k, but where I actually payed for the army books, and some supplementals that I wanted for AoS. If I was going to pirate, then for 40k I would do it. It's insane, it's like two totally different groups are operating when looking at the two games, because AoS is so open (as far as tabletop gaming goes) to beginners, yet 40k I guess they just assume it's all an old crowd who is going to pay whatever the cost because they've been around for some years.
Regarding salt about points - what they're doing here is an improvement on 8th and cheaper too. You always had to pay for points updates in the previous edition, nothing new there. What was worse about 8th, when it released, was that you had to buy several index books to get access to those points rather than one compendium in CA. Hey, it's not free now but it is better! Keep up the awesome work Uncle-A, love your stuff.
The book is Warhammer/ tabletop Porn IMO so I don’t mind the photos but it really seems a little over the top and I’m pretty sure they’ll put the points in the app to get all the people that already use some third party app for that reason.
It’s also worth noting that Games Workshop didn’t think it fit to hire a competent editor. There are multiple homonym errors in the manual (“horde” instead of “hoard”, “damming” instead of “damning”, etc.). It’s pretty inexcusable.
"The one thing that's not in here...." me: "don't say conquest, don't say conquest, don't say conquest" "Oh by the way this book has all the stats and oooh look at that and.... Oh, the one thing not in here is the points" me: "Oh thank the Emperor"
We would all like a video on the new Recruit, Elite, and Command Edition sets for noobs. I am a noob that has only painted 3 Warhammer dudes so far and I need to jump in.
9th edition has a lot of good-looking sets. Hexfire and Indomitus look good. I may be picking up a 9th edition set. I didn't get the 8th edition starter set because I didn't like the Nurgle Chaos Space Marines.
The rule book in that box is a limited edition book. I was under the impression the standard book wont be that think or have half the fluff / images in it? Great video Atom, love your stuff!
If the rules are clearer, I'm all in. That's always been one of my biggest gripes with GW rules; it was like GW always expected players to know certain things, making it really hard for new players to quickly find answers for questions.
Great summary of the box. I'm even more tempted now. Small suggestion: I often can't watch with sound (small baby) and the autogenerated subtitles struggle with GW terminology! Any chance you could add a transcript?
@@Revan9991 yes I have but the baby seems to have a sixth sense and cries when I use them. It's only a suggestion. I realise it's a lot of extra work, and don't do it just on my account, but there are a lot of people who watch CZcams without sound. It could be people with hearing problems or just someone on the bus who didn't bring their headphones.
I will wait till next year at least because here in Germany the Warhammer Conquest Series is still at the beginning. I started not long ago with 40k and want to build up my Marines and the Deathguard till Conquest finishes. Maybe then i jump over to 9th edition. But thx uncle atom for showing the new box. ;)
I want it to fill out my salamander army that only has about 1000-1250 points so far. Going to make them all salamanders and finally have a full space marine army then use the Necrons to start on my second just in time for 9th :) Super glad I hadn't bought the 8th edition rule book back when I picked up the salamander supplement when it launched months ago lol.
If anyone doesn't know, the rules as described in the new core rule book are all on warhammer community. i don't expect they'll release the points for free online but if your looking to get into ninth and save money you only really need the chapter approved. For those of you interested in the core rules: www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/02/free-core-rules-new-models-sighted/
Hiya! First time posting on this channel and subscribed! I like your videos alot and I've just gotten into kill team but have always wanted to get into 40k. I used to have fantasy battles stuff back in the 90s and enjoyed it quite a bit. I have to say I like fluff in books and certainly dig lots of painted model photos as they can give me ideas for army color schemes. The thing I'm not too keen about is no point values (that's a huge bummer) and if the book only focuses on two factions. If it only focuses on two factions that's really rough. A rundown and some examples of each of the races would have been a big bait and hook for alot of newer players to be interested in non starter box armies. Also, no point values is really not good, as that forces you to buy codex manuals just to get an idea of how to slot these figures into a regular army. Anyways, thanks for the videos! Have a good one!
I think I'll print the .pdf of the rules off, that you can get from the community website, then enjoy the real book at my leisure. I absolutely adore the photographs of the large armies.
Why isnt it a starter box? Because no dice or no rulers? Thats 15$ and sold by all LGS so not like they are hard to get. Heck my first measure was a heavily used one from my dads garage. Minis should be what draws peopke in, and getting MORE minis in your first box will likely draw more people
@@memnarch129 - It is a limited edition box according to GW. Hence it has no dice, no ruler and a slightly different covering on the book. Also, the SM army is melee focused whereas most starter boxes tend to have balanced armies of ranged, anti-armor and melee plus dice, a ruler and normal covered rule book.
I strongly disagree that having the points cost of your models behind a paywall is 'salt'.
Rulebooks, faction books and edition changes seems to have become a sort of 'tax' for your minis.
We bought the expensive GW models, we bought the expensive GW paints and the 50 rulebooks to play. We should *not* have to pay again just for the privilage of balancing our army every time GW decides to update the game rules.
Don't be a shmuck and buy GW models
@@alexandergilhespie5295 Whats the alternative? Other than ebay. Honestly asking am new to 40k
@@DRsideburns Pirate the book (don't ask me for the link, google it) , print out or save the rules section of the book, then delete the original file. Use Battlescribe to build your army for free.
@@DRsideburns I haven't actually started playing 40k yet (just getting started myself), but I'm planning on using the "Grimdark Future" rule set from the One Page Rules website. It's a greatly simplified version, but it's free. It even has rules for discontinued and homebrew armies like Squats ("Dwarf Guilds") and space Skaven ("Ratman Clans"). Obviously it's not GW sanctioned, but it looks ideal for casual matches with friends.
@@duerf5826 i was thinking about doing that. Like holy fuck u have to buy 3 $40 manuals to play kill team? What a joke
Indomitus was specifically branded as Not a starter box. There will be a starter box released for 9th at a later date.
I dont understand how people dont get that.
I have a feeling the starter will have the same contents minus some of the models in the box.
@@DismemberTheAlamo I am speculating they might make a starter more along the lines of the $100 Know No Fear box (the one that came with a cardboard playmat) with a smaller rulebook (like the one that came with Dark Vengeance).
Dark Imperium was an absolutely fantastic starter, but $200 + codexes could be a bit oof for new players.
Ultimately, they could also produce a starter kit that doesnt come with models, intended to be purchased alongside Start Collecting box(es).
I thought they specifically said it WAS a starter box, hence why everything in it is push fit.
@@michaelanderson670 - It has no dice or rulers, the Starter boxes have everything you need to play out of the box.
This is finally a box not as a starter, but made for people with armies already who are looking to get into another one or add to an existing one, at least that is my take.
That shirt is a very low-key RvB reference!
Chupa thingy
Got a ring to it
Didn't I tell you to stop making up animals?!
I was staring at the shirt for a while wondering if it was rvb or not lol
A walrus...
I get your point about the photography, just from my point of view my son will just sit and look at those armies and let his imagination fire. I think for me that's cool to see
Same. My middle son loves browsing through codexes and rule books because of all the photos and artwork.
Ha! I used to do that with JCPenny and Sears Xmas catalogs. I discovered wargaming around 12 or 13. I had grown out of circling all the things I want.
It makes me happy that young kids have so much available.
This was me when I was younger. Like the photos of these grand collections of ultramarines set up in company formation was just such a cool photo (this was the original plastic sculpts, the ones where the marines had their bolters pressed to their chests and the dreads were still metal)
Thats true but really is all the armies in a Rule book the place for it? Maybe make one you know, for kids to look at for that reason.
As in fold out pictures of armies... this isent a Playboy magazine, its a rule book.
I'm mainly excited about these new models since I'm much more of a painter. Really digging all of them in this box.
Same here, I’m thinking about selling off my 8e primaris and painting up these new sculpts, also the newcrons make me wet
The photography of miniature armies fighting is not in there for you. Your already hyped and sold on the hobby
It’s primary purpose is aspirational motivation for new players. It takes a whole lot of work to get even the stuff in that box playable and they need to motivate and hype new players.
Game boxes that fail to hype people up never make it to the table.
It’s also a sales catalog
This is the correct answer right here.
I'm not so sure that it the case and think it would be a massive mistake if it were true. Some one who is brand new to the hobby is then confronted by multiple pages of Golden Daemon standard paint jobs is as likely to be overwhelmed as they are to be inspired. Also, having listened to Uncy Atom, the layout smacks of the days of the disastrous decision to split the White Dwarf into a light weight hobby mag and that disgusting little A5 mag with nothing but pictures of painted models. If you were a subscriber at the time you were lumbered with the latter mag which did nothing for me anyway. Further, this time around the lads at GW state that this box is more for the 40k army that are already committed to the game and the start collecting boxes will be pushed for the newbies. I mean the new box will be pricey enough for a "starter box".
Same reason points are not in there looks like it will have intro scenarios that don't need points a bit like a board game, nothing scares off fresh meat like a sweaty nerd explaining his min maxed army. That chapter approved looks like an armies book book to get you up to date while we wait for Codexes, The other thing was a tournament book! I like that! in the past the quest for balance in the tournament scene meant looking all over for amendments so this looks like one place for those updates and up date every 6 months maybe?
@@wezab we are talking about the core rulebook. largely the first or second thing people coming to the game will buy, not the whole box set. a small portion of people may be intimidated by it but by and large advertising sells the ideal form of a product. those photos mirror the the cakes on the front of cake mix. almost no one expects their cake to look that nice the picture is there to make them want cake.
It also looks like the photography is to give you an idea of what the minis look like painted as different chapters and perhaps different terrain and basing ideas. Will very much enjoy looking at those shots when I buy my Indomitus box!
5:02 your looking at the pages and pages of art as someone who’s been playing for 10+ years. I started in 8th and one distinct memory is flipping through codex and rulebook art on a road trip just looking at the battles and models. I still do this with old rule books and white dwarfs. It’s the age of the internet but not everyone getting into the game will be fully aware of e era warhammer related site
I wont complain about the photography heaviness. This is the perfect "camp book"
No internet at camp, no TV and I can get lost in the photography and really enjoy this type of "Coffee Table" book.
From a "I need to take this with me to the FLGS" sure its big and heavy, but at the price points GW charges for these types of books I expect some meatiness and extras.
I'm sure GW will put out a thinner more "Rules Orientated" book.
no points its kinda crummy, Day 1 DLC, /sigh chapter approved. That will have to wait a until the payday after hehe.
Thanks for the video.
Edit: Was unaware that the 9E rulebook was going to be sold seperate Day 1 and exact, lol...should have watched tl the end b4 posting.
Didn't I read that with the purchase of this physical book a code is included for the digital version? And all new books going forward?
Quite honestly ...seeing as how the points values nearly always instantly change right after the main rule book hits shelves , I think this was a good move .
They didn't put out a mini-rulebook for 8th (unless you were one of the very few who got the very Limited Collector's Edition rulebook) so we can't count on that.
That's how I got into 40k to begin with! A guy in the cabin I was in brought his (at the time) new 3rd Ed Space Marine, Imperial Guard, and Eldar codecies. He let me look at them and I think I ended up spending just about every bit of free time just pouring over the pictures of the battles and armies. That picture of the full Ultramarines chapter left quite an impression.
Camp?
"Thickest book they've ever made?" not even close, the WHFB 8th edition rule book is 510 pages.
I had forgotten about that one, it was an unruly monster. I have it somewhere. Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions oh yeah it's really dominating the shelf I have it on. Minor nitpick aside I still enjoyed the video :)
That was a great book!!!
Yep! 512 pages to be exact!
Yeah, the WHF 8th book was 1.) awesome and 2.) a solid CC weapon.
you mean the "not a start box" box?
3:30 am uncle atom video is a must watch
Uncle Atom - I'm not judging you
Me - he *IS* judging me. I knew 😱
😂😂😂
I dont "need" it, I can quit whenever I want to...
I did 6th
'So Quit.'
'.... No'
Dude I said that about morphine
No need it you love painting and or playing. Great hobby.
Now it's a chore for me to paint because I don't have a setup area so for me it's easy to sell models lol. So all depends on you and the hobby. If you are just storing plastic though, sell it.
They released the Core Rules for free on the Community Site (probably early cause of the leak). So, thankfully you'll just need to buy the Chapter Approved for the updated points to get started in 9th
Agreed The Core rules pdf was always going to be available so points players don't need to be out of pocket by getting the big book. As for me, I may as well give GW my credit card PIN now. I want those Primaris!
But you'll still be missing detatchments rules, command point rules, and the terrain rules?
@@Donmegamuffin Yep. Odd when you can download the Star Wars Legion complete rules for free.
@@Subcomandante73 Almost like GW knows they can get away with charging through the nose, and the fans will pay regardless
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@@Donmegamuffin Yeah that's the thing. The free core rules aren't really "free" because you still need the actual rulebook for all the things you've mentioned, in addition to the Open, Narrative, Matched Play rules, the new Crusade system rules, AND any missions other than the Open War mission that's included in the "free" rules.
I'm still trying to get my 8th edition army together and painted. ugh
Same
The swap to 9th doesn’t seem that big.
Same! Lol!
Gweilo same here
I still have miniatures from 2nd edition. I got it new.
I think the only thing keeping me from playing Warhammer is the fact that $50 rules books drop every 6 months. I played a lot of competitive heroclix back in the day and there’s only been 1 big rule revision and it was a free pdf, and all point erratas could be found easily and quickly online.
Isnt everybody using the free Battlescripe App for the Points anyway?
Yup, but it doesn't cost them anything to print the point cost on the sheets
I do, but I know some people are really anal about folks using Battlescribe so I try to keep points values and such directly from GW on-hand in case someone starts bitching.
No
Intellectual Property rights my dude the moment the 1.0 Warhammer 40K app goes live GW will bring that ban hammer down and battlescribe will be a thing of the past
@@robertanstee443 Many rules and stats are out there for free, theres no way they can shut them down. It's not like Battlescribe has all the stratagems and faction rules anyway.
gw is the only company that will charge you for book full of ads for their own products
I'm buying two of these, I really like every model in it and I'm giving the second rule book to a friend of mine who does commission work as a trade off so he can paint one of the Captains.
As a long term player, who is currently going through a resurgence of enjoyment in the hobby, I'm really down for this.
Did you manage to get 2 copies? Cause considering the thing went out of stock on the GW website in 20 MINUTES!!!
@@Orlkov I'm not sure, yet. 😂 So, I was online during the cluster fuck of 10am, put down my order for two, then the site crashed. Went to do it again, it seemed to go through and then I failed to get any conformation through. So I have three separate orders, two of 2 boxes and another for all the new paints. None of them have come out of pending.
I think I've missed it but my money is still floating so I'm not sure. 🤔 😂
@@combatwombat2134 did you at least get it made to order?
@@Marty-et9sx the order processed in the end and I got my copies on Monday, thankfully. ☺️
I wonder how many of the boxes are being purchased just to split apart and sell individual models / parts on ebay
If I got one, right now not planning to, I would just keep the necrons and sell the space marines
I'm planning to get two, keeping all the basic marines and one of each character, then selling off all the necrons and second rulebook.
Around 90%, if you count people splitting them locally.
Probably enough to make people who actually wanted the full box not to be able to get one.
I am buying primarily for the Space Marines and rule book. I would be okay with the Necrons as a second army, and use the extra bits for my Marine bases, but I have let my Necron playing friends know I would be open to the idea of selling them.
Yeah, the photography is for people who aren't already hyped for the game.
Having said that, as someone who IS hyped for the game, I always love that stuff. I love looking at all the minis sort of photo'd as if it were an actual battle. No idea why, I'm just really into it.
It's SO good to see someone who got this book and provided a balanced view of things rather than just gushing.
I WISH 5TH 6TH AND 7TH ED RULES HAD BEEN THIS CLEAR would have would have prevented rules abuses such at someone thinking that terminator armour allowed the model to assault the same turn that it deep struck
5th and 6th edition were quite clear that models can't deep strike and attack in the same turn.
In the 8th Edition Fantasy book they had lots of good pictures but it wasn't just straight up photography, it was pictures of big cinematic battles and some story to go with it. I really like that part of the book.
Listening to the improvised names as you pull things out is awesome "here we have some motorcycle dudes, this is the big boss, here's the necron tall boi, ... "
I think it's pretty damn lazy. If you're going to make a video on something, then surely you'd want to get your facts straight. The names will probably be right on the box like all other previous boxes or in that "biggest ever book". It's been stated that this is not a starter set, so why would we need guides on how to paint? I myself love artwork and reference pictures that I don't have to search on the internet, maybe I'm old fashioned, but I love the thumbing through all these types of books. I don't even play, just enjoy the modelling and painting side of it
I play Kill Team, and I've bee real interested in Combat (paw) Patrol, but I am definitely not going to buy 3 books and an app just to play. I'll stick with Kill Team if that's the case. Thanks for a informative video as always Uncle Atom!
The rules are free online
Hearing you say "This is a thick boy" wasn't what I was expecting, but it was what I needed today 😂
"The big necron tall boy is in here"
Stop calling it a “starter set”! GW said it wasn’t a starter set. If it’s a starter set I will convince myself to buy it.
Buy it!!! if you want to start Necrons, Space Marines or expand any of them and get the new rulebook.
It's clearly a Starter Set though... no matter what ppl calls it.
@@JiiiBiii815 It's not a starter set because it is limited production and it doesn't have any terrain, dice, etc.
@@friendguy13 a lot of the starter sets don't have those either
If you want kick ass Primaris space marines with Skulls and skeletons on their shields and heraldry, this is the box to get at the moment. And this is the box that will probably put me into buying a Necron army. /WalletCrying
Sadly I doubt ill ever have the money to get models, so it's nice to see videos like this. Keep it up.
Do i need the box.... no nobody does. Do i really really want 1 yes , hope i can get more overtime next month so i can get 1.
Completely agree about being disappointed there was no alternating activations...
Looks like a Starter Box to me. You get the book, with a looooot of background information and two armies. So if you've never played 40k before, I think that's the way to go. Split the price with a friend and both of you will have a lot of fun.
Yeah. I think all the old "fiddly bits", aka rulers/dice/etc are easily enough gotten without being in a starter box. Minis and the Rules are the only two things absolutely required to be a starter box imo.
Doesn't the starter box generally also have a special 'easy to learn' thing for the rules, so you're not only relying on the book?
No dice, no measuring rulers/sticks, and a limited print run. It's not a starter set - one of those is likely to be released before long.
"Split the price with a friend and both of you will" ... be in debt for the remainder of your life, looking at gw's pricing policy, even if it actually turns out to be a good buy.
@@mikefish1124 A measuring ruler costs 1€ where I live and dices 5€. I don't think that would people keep away from using this as a starter set.
the two books for chapter approved is so that when 2021's book comes out you can get rid of the points half but keep the mission half.
To answer the question posed in the thumbnail before seeing the video:
I do.
I do wish they offered a more 'bare bones' version of the rule book which was purely for the info needed to play, whilst all the fluffy stuff is nice, sometimes when you're playing and looking for a rule having a book which is twice as thick as necessary makes things a tad awkward.
9th ed is looking pretty cool so far, but as usual GW have done goofed which will require an faq to fix fairly sharpish as it outright breaks some setups. 1+ armour saves (which can be achieved in a few ways) can now ONLY be failed on an unmodified 1, so no matter the -AP only a save roll of a 1 will go through.
It feels like these minor cockups are becoming the norm for all GW book releases.
you can download the barebone rules for free as pdf on their site
I see a bunch of people complaining about the price, which we haven't officially heard yet, but I've seen it as MSRP of $200. We do know the book by itself is $65 for this special edition. I did some back of the napkin math and figured you're getting something along the lines $500-600 of dudes according to usual GW pricing. Even if you knock decent chunk off to like $400 because it's mono-pose it's a pretty good deal, if you've got the cash of course. Dark Imperium worked itself to around $450, and with a similar cut back maybe more like $300-350. I don't know, seems like some people struggle to get the discounted prices
This man has such elegant hand motions
I am in a bind here (no pun intended) - I want to start with 40K and hence was interested in getting this Box. Not because I like Space marines or Necrons but because it has two armies...
Same here man I just ended up getting start collecting genestealer cults and tyranids cause I can run them together or play a small game with a friend, couldn’t wait haha
The price actually seems decent. Just keep in mind you'll also be paying for a limited edition rule book with extra fluff pictures.
You may not want that and be paying for it. Guess you could sell it, it's all dependant if the price is right for you.
Otherwise, they will be releasing a starter box for 9th edition and perhaps will have more things (rulers, dice, data cards) that you'll be interested in to start playing.
I need it to fill my crippling addiction. Also I've wanted to start Necrons, but my shelved Black Templars will really enjoy the new melee dudes.
Hey. That cardboard doohickey is suitable for framing! I have framed many of those dividers. They make great game room decorations.
Mine always seem to be pretty neat up when I get them, which I guess means they’re doing their job - which is to protect the book from being scratched up by the dories in transit. Thanks for watching!
I've seen the retail price for the box set in the UK for about £100. There's 61 models in the set so forgetting the rulebook it works out around £1.60 per model. I only play casually with some friends and we amend the rules as we see fit depending on the forces in play etc. None of us are serious and always bend the rules to suit our enjoyment. I genuinely get more pleasure from building and painting the models than playing so I'll probably indulge for the sheer amount of models
I don't see how they can put the points behind a paywall. It will propably be a matter of hours before the points end up on some random third party website or pdf for online distribution. If so it will only dilaute games workshop control of things as many will propably just ignore their changes in favour of what the favourite community website says. Honestly if they intend to make an app, hopefully for tablets and not just phones, then it makes a hell of a lot of sense to make a sort of "build your army" feature where you can compose armies using any available unit from the 40k universe and store them online. That way they can do targeted advertisment which caters to your army compositions. It's also a great tool to see how new models are received.
not me - i havent even fully digested early 8th and not a single primaris in my army and dozends of marines to paint still lol
No primaris and full standard marine to paint ?...
You should sell them before v10 and the inevitable drop of standard marines xD
Nice. I prefer the standard marines myself. I finally gave in and got a few primaris but I still love my old school tac marines.
I don't mind the photography, but I do think it could have been integrated to the area that talked about the army instead of lumped together after the section. Since the points change every year I'd rather them not be in the core rules. Chapter approved seams to be like AoS's Generals Handbook, which they also separated into 2 books. I really hope they take a page out of AoS and just put the points in the app for free.
Good video. Seeing the Necrons unpainted makes me appreciate the detail on the plastic. Thanks
You have told me enough to make me very happy I am playing Infinity now.
Not me. It is tempting though
godnaut same
I was hesitant until my friend said want to split it? Damn you friend!!!!
I love those photography pages, and I look at them all the time! Completely understand your viewpoint though. For me, it is probably nostalgia from being a kid and looking at the similar photos in 3rd.
Splitting the box with a buddy, but don't want, or now, apparently NEED the rulebook, so yay! new models!
I have boxes of Wraiths, Tomb Blades, and Immortals I never got around to building. Got a feeling they'll fit right in with the Necrons in that box.
Looking forward to getting my set and starting again. I haven't painted a 40k miniature for 11 years! In 2009 my bungalow was flooded out and all my 40k stuff was destroyed. I now feel like I'm ready to start again, This box seems like the perfect way for me to get back into the hobby. Got some new paints and equipment this week, now waiting for the boxes set to come this weekend.
1 more day, 1 more day. And that box will be bestowed upon us.
I still think Dave is still right about this dude's voice.
I think you have audiobook voice.
This box set is friggin awesome. I'm getting one for my birthday, giving my girlfriend the necrons while I get those new awesome space marine mini's.
I get to show her how to play this game in the new edition and I finally get close combat marines.
Bladeguard mini's are pure 🔥.
I pick up the 9th rules book for half price on EBay, and was glad I did. So much of the artwork was retreaded. I would have felt robbed had I paid full price. That being said getting this box or the command edition box is a good start and great value just because the rule book is included. When I finally made the leap from the 40K Dawn of War series to the table top. I literally brought all of the starter kits at the time First strike,know no Fear, Dark Imperium. I was also glad I didn’t get the 8th edition rule book separately for the same reason.
I am glad the book is tbh. I love seeing pictures and lore in books than online tbh
I’ve been fascinated by 40k for years, never started building or painting and don’t hate me...
But I want to just grab this box, and hold onto it for when I’m ready to start
As a young kid I always flicked straight to the photos, it was them that inspired me and now over twenty years on, I am purely a collector and painter with the ambition of painting to the standard I used to drool over as a kid. Those few colour pages to me WERE the book, the lore was also very interesting as were the drawings, and then the rules least so. It also pleases me to see that although the ever-expensive rulebooks are still getting dearer, at least they are still a thick meaty book with even more colour per page than ever. And lots of nice pics :p Different strokes for different folks and all but please don't diss the best bit haha
I think bolt action has a cool way of introducing a bit of randomness with the initiative dice bag.
The point is.... I hope there will be Rock Solid Warhammer 40k roster app, and/or website, doing all the Points stuff... GWs getting smart ;)
Haven’t painted any minis yet but I could certainly see myself starting with something like this
The details in these minis makes it worth it :)
They're not going to make people pay to see point values, the app is likely going to have everything bundled in. CA is the same as last year where you had CA the book with all the beta stuff etc and the field manual with all the points values in.
If they could finally catch up with Wizards of the Coast, and start running things like D&D Beyond does things, Warhammer would finally join us in the 2010s. The number one most significant thing that has improved Dungeons & Dragons was the introduction of D&D Beyond so that everyone has access to the core rules and then option to purchase additional rules for their characters as they will and everything is already integrated into be online build app which is free. GW did this they could then make all of these random hard to find books available online as DLC and therefore they would still make their money but people would be able to have the current correct rules. Hell it would even be worth it to have the rules as a subscription service
@@RecklessFables personally whether I'm playing an rpg or I'm playing warhammer I want the physical book. I have a few of the digital ones, and its the opposite of fun to read those. I would also not want to see the official app cost anything, otherwise I'm just gonna keep supporting Battlescribe until GW pulls a Hasbro and tries to take it down.
The app is free but to see points costs you're going to have to subscribe to the extras.
I tend to always wait for the small stripped down rulebook to drop (usually a few months later). I am quite tempted by the box for the first time ever (I normally avoid starter boxes) because I run Necrons and I might paint the Primaris as Salamanders but I need to see points first.
I plan to split this box with my friendly neighborhood Necron player... and I know I've been banging this drum all over youtube, but BUY LOCAL. Your neighbors need your support right now.
My son is buying one to beef up his Ultramarines. I'm considering buying one for my Space Wolves. Damn the Necrons do look fun to paint too. Not my army but maybe one of my grandkids will play them
Apparently, a lot of people. We tried to order from GW for our shop one hour after being available for distribution, and they were already sold out.
My bet is points are going on an app so they can update as required and push to all players without splitting the current points across multiple documents.
Are you going to upload the Necron painting stream on to youtube? I'm starting my necron army with the box and I'd like to see your style
Not the Twitch stream, no. However, I might make a video of my technique - once I figure it out. Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions No thank you! I would love to see your technique.
@@tabletopminions I always struggle to start painting but your stream helped alot! Im looking forward to the painting video!
I would never condone pirating, but to have my AoS armies and have a great app that I can use for all my units and use battlescribe for list building it really means I only need to buy the army book, and the models.
I've been wanting to get into 40k, but where I actually payed for the army books, and some supplementals that I wanted for AoS. If I was going to pirate, then for 40k I would do it. It's insane, it's like two totally different groups are operating when looking at the two games, because AoS is so open (as far as tabletop gaming goes) to beginners, yet 40k I guess they just assume it's all an old crowd who is going to pay whatever the cost because they've been around for some years.
It’s for me. I’m a sucker.
Regarding salt about points - what they're doing here is an improvement on 8th and cheaper too. You always had to pay for points updates in the previous edition, nothing new there. What was worse about 8th, when it released, was that you had to buy several index books to get access to those points rather than one compendium in CA. Hey, it's not free now but it is better!
Keep up the awesome work Uncle-A, love your stuff.
Page after page after page of photography. They basically inserted a "Art of White dwarf, space edition" in the middle of the book.
The book is Warhammer/ tabletop Porn IMO so I don’t mind the photos but it really seems a little over the top and I’m pretty sure they’ll put the points in the app to get all the people that already use some third party app for that reason.
I don't even play 40k (sad and broken WHFB gamer here) but I love your show and input on gaming and the hobby. Thanks and hello from Chicago!
It’s also worth noting that Games Workshop didn’t think it fit to hire a competent editor. There are multiple homonym errors in the manual (“horde” instead of “hoard”, “damming” instead of “damning”, etc.). It’s pretty inexcusable.
"The one thing that's not in here...."
me: "don't say conquest, don't say conquest, don't say conquest"
"Oh by the way this book has all the stats and oooh look at that and.... Oh, the one thing not in here is the points"
me: "Oh thank the Emperor"
Watching you is like watching Warhammer’s version of Tim Pierce. Great show and very easy to listen to!
We would all like a video on the new Recruit, Elite, and Command Edition sets for noobs. I am a noob that has only painted 3 Warhammer dudes so far and I need to jump in.
9th edition has a lot of good-looking sets. Hexfire and Indomitus look good. I may be picking up a 9th edition set.
I didn't get the 8th edition starter set because I didn't like the Nurgle Chaos Space Marines.
Digital format for point info makes a lot more sense.
The rule book in that box is a limited edition book.
I was under the impression the standard book wont be that think or have half the fluff / images in it?
Great video Atom, love your stuff!
If the rules are clearer, I'm all in. That's always been one of my biggest gripes with GW rules; it was like GW always expected players to know certain things, making it really hard for new players to quickly find answers for questions.
Great summary of the box. I'm even more tempted now. Small suggestion: I often can't watch with sound (small baby) and the autogenerated subtitles struggle with GW terminology! Any chance you could add a transcript?
Can you not use headphones?
@@Revan9991 yes I have but the baby seems to have a sixth sense and cries when I use them. It's only a suggestion. I realise it's a lot of extra work, and don't do it just on my account, but there are a lot of people who watch CZcams without sound. It could be people with hearing problems or just someone on the bus who didn't bring their headphones.
I will wait till next year at least because here in Germany the Warhammer Conquest Series is still at the beginning. I started not long ago with 40k and want to build up my Marines and the Deathguard till Conquest finishes. Maybe then i jump over to 9th edition. But thx uncle atom for showing the new box. ;)
I want it to fill out my salamander army that only has about 1000-1250 points so far. Going to make them all salamanders and finally have a full space marine army then use the Necrons to start on my second just in time for 9th :) Super glad I hadn't bought the 8th edition rule book back when I picked up the salamander supplement when it launched months ago lol.
the photos of models in battle is like my favorite part of codices and rule books
Thank you for just giving your actual opinion I appreacited that
yea ... no surprise people will be salty about it ... i want to play a Tabletop Wargame .. and i have to run a library for it ....
I love the new 'Crons, though I feel like I NEED the "totally not Templars" Primarus
Happiness is painting mini’s on a Sunday listening to an Uncle Atom video.
8th had 4 or 5 books for the points etc pre codexes- it's a big buy in if it's the same here
If anyone doesn't know, the rules as described in the new core rule book are all on warhammer community. i don't expect they'll release the points for free online but if your looking to get into ninth and save money you only really need the chapter approved. For those of you interested in the core rules: www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/02/free-core-rules-new-models-sighted/
Hiya! First time posting on this channel and subscribed! I like your videos alot and I've just gotten into kill team but have always wanted to get into 40k. I used to have fantasy battles stuff back in the 90s and enjoyed it quite a bit.
I have to say I like fluff in books and certainly dig lots of painted model photos as they can give me ideas for army color schemes.
The thing I'm not too keen about is no point values (that's a huge bummer) and if the book only focuses on two factions. If it only focuses on two factions that's really rough. A rundown and some examples of each of the races would have been a big bait and hook for alot of newer players to be interested in non starter box armies. Also, no point values is really not good, as that forces you to buy codex manuals just to get an idea of how to slot these figures into a regular army.
Anyways, thanks for the videos! Have a good one!
I think I'll print the .pdf of the rules off, that you can get from the community website, then enjoy the real book at my leisure. I absolutely adore the photographs of the large armies.
Awesome timing, I just want to get into 40k and planed to start with those 2 factions. I just wait for the bank to confirm my loan request :D
Oof taking bank loan for warhammer??
@@homonovus2505 This is the way
I will pre-order this box as soon as possible
The rule book is a special edition. That’s part of the cost of this specific box set.
A starter box will have a small A5 rulebook.
The new Necrons are looking sharp
Looking fresh!
Yeah, I may just pick up the CAs and use the PDF rules since we just play kitchen table games.
0:30 Are you really sure that 9 comes after 8? Microsoft Windows, Apple iPhones, and GW's very own Space Marine armors beg to differ.
Yes, my favourite starter box the "not start box."
Why isnt it a starter box? Because no dice or no rulers? Thats 15$ and sold by all LGS so not like they are hard to get. Heck my first measure was a heavily used one from my dads garage.
Minis should be what draws peopke in, and getting MORE minis in your first box will likely draw more people
@@memnarch129 - It is a limited edition box according to GW. Hence it has no dice, no ruler and a slightly different covering on the book. Also, the SM army is melee focused whereas most starter boxes tend to have balanced armies of ranged, anti-armor and melee plus dice, a ruler and normal covered rule book.
@@memnarch129 it's a launch box, the starter box will come later. It's just to get the cool new models to update your army.
@@memnarch129 Because the target market for this isn't starter players. This is aimed at existing players, hense the higher price and limited run.