How Good Was Martin Brodeur Actually?
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This is Martin Brodeur. He’s a hall of famer and won four Vezina Trophies. He helped lead the New Jersey Devils to three stanley cups and along the way, he won more games than anybody else in NHL history. The league even had to change their rules just to help contain the guy.
So just how good was Martin Brodeur really?
Martin grew up in Montreal Quebec with his parents and four siblings. His dad, Denis, first introduced him to hockey when he was a little boy. Denis played for Team Canada in the 1956 Olympics and went on to become a beloved photographer for the Montreal Canadiens. This allowed a young Martin to attend Canadien home games and practices with his dad. - Sport
Marty played in the 2012 Stanley Cup Final vs the Kings. Unfortunately, we lost.
😢 i literally have the stanley cup preview magazine from that season right next to me as we speak. 😢 😭 I feel that Kings team was unfair, they basically had 3 number 1 caliber lines lol
Brodeur was amazing but the Devils defense was outstanding as well. I'd love to know how many of his shutouts came while facing under 25 shots
Lots of goalies had great defence!
Broduer never had a team with a high scoring offense. You know how hard it is to win games by 1 goal?
@@user-dv7nk7hy3f not if you score first and play trap defense. It wasn't that hard. The devils made a living off that in the mid-late 90s
More than half his career he didn't have that defense tho and was still racking up 40 plus win szns and other great numbers
This guy is 100% right, the devil's not only deployed the most effective defensive system the league has ever seen, but this man also has 2 of the greatest defensmen of all time in front of him in Stevens and Nietermier.
The league had to shut down for a season and change rules because the devil's trap took over the league and scoring was at an all time low.
Stevens was the most feared player ever, Broduer played through the entire dead puck era.
Was he good yes, but very much a product of the system.
And yes many of his shutouts were around 15 shots.
It doesn't matter if you don't like it or not, this is all just facts.
So fun watching Marty throughout my childhood into early adulthood. No one will ever be as good or fun to watch in net
In 2003 when Brodeur and the NJ Devils won it. 3 out of 4 goalies in the Conference Finals were Quebecois.. giguere brodeur lalime. Quebec was a total factory for goalies it honestly is incredible. Plus MAF was selected first overall that summer haha
Broduer won a Stanley Cup in 2003 when the Devils were no longer playing Trap hockey. All 4 of his Vezina trophies (03, 04, 07, and 08) were awarded in the "non-Trap" era. Everyone puts an asterisk next to Marty's record due to Trap hockey but doesn't do the same with The Detroit Redwings, who won 2 Cups (97 & 98) doing exactly the same thing. Bowman called it the Left Wing Lock.
Roy also had some Hall of Famers on defense (Ray Borque & Rob Blake) and other defensive players not in the HoF but who were very good at shutting down the offense when he won 2 Cups for the Avalanche. Also, the misnomer in the comments that the Devils didn't score goals is hysterical. They finished 1st & 2nd in scoring during a couple of those seasons. I watched Broduer play his entire career. I don't need to review stat sheets to know he was one of the greatest goalies of all time.
broduer won with mostly defense exact opposite fuhr won with mostly offense and lil defense and hes at the other end of the argument. Borduer was only good cuz of his defense and trap era and fuhr was only good cuz he had tons of offense. Both guys were great and deserved to be hall of famers
No, the devils didn’t score goals. The devils offense was below average except 98-99-00. In fact two of the years they won the cup their offense was in the bottom half of league 95 and ‘03.
It’s refreshing to know you sir pay attention to the game! I love Marty, I’m from NJ and when they moved here I was 5-6 years old and fell in love with them and the game. Marty was head and shoulders above everyone. Sure he got his share of help from the defense but who hasn’t! Anyway…Go Devils!
NJ played "trap hockey" for a total of one season 1994.
@@yoholmes273 out of all the games he played he had a total of like 40 games in his career 40 shots or more. He playe dlike 400 games more then fuhr who more then doubles him in 40 shots in a game in his career. Marty was protected his whole career get out of here
For some reasnn I used the devils in NHL 2K4 and loved how amazing Brodeur was in the video game, which got me into actually playing hockey growing up
Marty was, and forever will be, the best to ever defend between the pipes. (I might be biased as 40+ year old Devil's fan though.)
I remember thinking even he couldn’t touch Sawchuck’s shut-out record. I’m glad I was wrong.
Growing up my three favourite goalies were Patrick Roy, Marty Brodeur and Felix Potvin.
Potvin and CuJo were mine
when it comes to hockey its so fucking hard with gk. football dont have as many insane gks that icehockey has.
roy belfour hasek potvin m.richter brodeur fleury lundqvist we havent even mentioned any of the russians.
a few swedish gk that never left sweden that are amazing.
its so fucking hard to chose. but belfour and brodeur is among mine. hasek too.
My favourite goalie growing up. Glad to see him getting some more love
Your Channel is gonna blow up my guy keep doing your thing👍
The 90's and early 2000 goaltenders were stacked everywhere on almost every team. Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Joseph, Potvin, Belfour, etc.
A lot of people dont realize how crazy it is for a goalie playing 70 games a season for many seasons in a row. That is unheard of.
That's the part they don't grasp. They say ez defense with Devils, don't realize how consistent he was at playing the puck + staying in game shape (aka avoiding injuries).
Great video and history lesson.
Brodeur was the best goalie I've ever seen play.
True story. In the late 1990's I collected his cards and had over 200 Brodeur cards in 1999. I literally got bored of Brodeur because the cards never changed as he was always a devil. What a goalie!
The trap era of hockey known for its historic low scoring, fewest scoring chances, and lackluster gameplay. The NJD were known as a trap team.
I think its crazy that one of the three or four best goaltenders in nhl history, directley inspired one of the others to join the game, and later competed against each other
As a Red Wings fan I remember the Detroit match up in 95. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I read somewhere along the lines that the Devil had their celebration party in a mall parking lot because of the lack of fan turnout.
Goalie of all time 🐐
3 stanley cups in 5 stanley cup debuts
I think u mean appearances. You can only debut once😏
So true about the Québec natives dominating the goaltending position. Unfortunately, that time is long gone...
Marty was the best to do it for my money, especially on his best game. His GAA and SAV% speaks volumes
Greatest goalie of all time!
Roy and hasek were much better. Roy has more cups and a head to head win vs Brodeur in 2001.
Haseks save pct at .922 is also significantly higher than Brodeurs at .912. Even Roy at .918 had a better save pct in Colorado. Roy played in the 80s when the offense was much more efficient.
Top 5 goalie all time
Statistics say otherwise!
@@ripemall4548 There are basically 5 stat lines to consider for a goalie: Wins, Win %, Shutout, GAA and save %. Here are Brodeur's
- Wins: 1st all time (691, which is 130 ahead of 2nd place)
- Win %: 9th all time (0.585)
- Shutout: 1st all time (125, which is 22 ahead of 2nd place)
- GAA: 10th all time (2.24)
- Save %: Somewhere between 40th and 60th (0.912, which is only 0.010 behind Hasek's best all time)
He has every right to be considered a top 5 goalie all time based on stats alone. But you can also add 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina (+5 other nominations), 1 Calder, 2 gold medals and just for fun, most goals by a goalie, and 2nd all time for most points. Also skipping a few most seasons with [insert stat], most [insert stat] in a season, and other records.
Exactly, he's #1 in my books!
@@ripemall4548you had me for a second there
@@begineizer Save % is by far the most important of those personal stats for a goalie as the rest can largely be inflated by playing for strong teams (save% also can if team only gives up easy shots, clears rebounds, etc. but to a lesser extent.) Brodeur's save % has generally been average and .912 isn't really even close to Hasek's .922 for such massive sample sizes of their careers. That's why I've always considered him the most overrated goalie of all time though he does have the redeeming quality of remarkable longevity and consistency.
Martin Brodeur is a 1/1🔥🔥🔥
Brodeur hugely benefited from the neutral zone trap.He would face 19,20,21 shots a game.Yes he was a good goal tender,but he still got a lot of help from the defense first system the Devils played.
what's in the water in québec? ICE.
But in all seriousness, there's a few factors. We had the famous Nordiques VS Canadiens rivals that was a big part of the local hockey culture, and the "feeling" of being looked down upon for being french by the people with the money who make the decisions who were, and kind of still are, mostly anglophones. Makes you even more motivated to work hard and prove yourself when you feel like the underdog.
Do one for mikka please!
As a Flyers fan I truly hated how good this guy was!!! Especially against us lol!!!
Quebec goalies are the best at butterfly, it was a style created in the Q and butterfly goalies treat it like it's a martial art. To learn it in the 70s/80s you either had to play in Quebec or study the players in-game, like learning to play drums by ear, which was also extremely difficult in the 70s and 80s. Personally I couldn't play that style, just watching guys doing the splits made me wince, I modeled myself after Billy Smith's stand-up style. I quit hockey in 1983, traded all my equipment for a guitar, sucked at guitar and traded all that gear for drum lessons. Turned out that playing goal gave me "limb independence", using both hands and feet at the same time doing different things, still had to play along to an album over and over and over and over to learn specific songs though, like watching a butterfly goalie in-game to learn their moves.
Please do a Ray Bourque!
when I first saw Brodeur my first thought wasn't Roy but Ken Dryden. that stand-up style, but he was willing to butterfly, too. kept hoping Jersey would shell out for better scoring so he could match if not surpass Roy...
I wish Josh Allen would channel more of Marty into his game. Of all the QBs playing, his game on the field translates to Marty’s ability on the ice like no other. Big, athletic and the way Allen can scramble is not unlike the way Marty could handle the puck. Obviously Goalies and Quarterbacks are apples and oranges but dammit, I can’t be the only one who sees these comparisons. Also, the Chiefs have a QB who reminds me of Hasek while going by the name “Patrick”. Just food for thought.
GOAT, as a leafs fan I remember the playoff wars in round 2 with the devils.
Brodeur is the best Goalie I've ever seen play the game.
You haven't seen many games then...
@@KapitanPisoar1 Yeah, it's quite a controversial choice to say he's the best considering he has the most wins, most shutouts, and most goals, along with a solid 2.24 GAA and .912 SV% over a 22-season career. Add in four Vezina Trophy wins, three Stanley Cups, and two gold medals with Team Canada. Definitely not a great choice.
I'm old enough to have to gotten to see live a 0 - 0 NHL tie game.
NJ vs Buffalo 0 - 0.
Brodeur vs Hasek.
No goals scored.
Who was the goalie with the most minutes played during Wayne Gretzky's era?
Roy.
Wayne Gretzky is not a period.
If you are talking 80s Gretzky then probably Fuhr.
If you are talking 90s Gretzky then probably Roy.
He was the 2nd greatest goalie in history.
Good goalie on a team with great defense.
Those below 2.00 GAA seadons were also most definitively a result of coach Jacques Lemaire's trap system
guess again. it was after scott and niedemier left and end of trap defence he had his best seasons. many ppl still hold on to that fucked up myth
Maintaining a 1.67GAA for a whole playoff run is crazy 😅
Good content.
Unfortunate his first named was misnamed the entire video. There’s a difference between Marty and Martin…
From a Rangers fan i believe whole heartedly he is the best to ever do it. I didnt see sawchuck but was able to watch through the 80s, 90s and today. For me its Marty then Roy then Hasek.
Roy and hasek were much better.
Brodeur's Devils teams during their prime consistently only allowed about 20 shots a game. It was their neutral zone trap that limited scoring opportunities and shots, which greatly benefitted his numbers. Unlike Roy and Hasek who face way more shots and scoring opportunities per game.
@@brandonb.5304 ohhh u mean like his top 5 seasons is without scot and niedemier and trap defence? i suggest u get a fucking clue there princess.
30# Martin Brodeur
# 21 NHL seasons - representing the New Jersey Devils (1992 - 2014) + St. Louis Blues (2014).
# 3x NHL Stanley Cup Champion: 1995, 2000 & 2003 + Finals: 2001 & 2012.
# 4x Vezina Trophy winner: 2003, 2004, 2007 & 2008.
# 5x William M. Jennings Trophy winner: 1997, 1998, 2003, 2004 & 2010.
# Calder Memorial Trophy winner: 1994.
# 3x Hart Memorial Trophy runner-up: 2003, 2004 & 2007
# 9x Vezina Trophy runner-up: 1997, 1998, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008 & 2010.
# 3x First NHL All-Star Team: 2003, 2004 & 2007.
# 4x Second NHL All-Star Team: 1997, 1998, 2006 & 2008.
# 9x NHL All-Star Game Player: 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004 & 2007.
# Most season wins by ALL goalies in NHL history.
# Most season games played by ALL goalies in NHL history.
# 2nd Most play-off wins by ALL goalies in NHL history.
# 2nd Most play-off games played by ALL goalies in NHL history.
# 30# retired by New Jersey Devils + a bronze statue honor outside of Prudential Center.
# 2x Olympic gold medalist: 2002 & 2010
# 4x Olympic Games Tournaments: 1998, 2002, 2006 & 2010.
# World Cup gold medalist: 2004 + silver medal: 1996.
# 2x IIHF WC silver medalist: 1996 & 2005.
The guy was so good they had to put the trapezoid in. How many other players dominated to a point where they had to change the rules?
He was a good hockey goalie
Its Kuh-Bec, not Kwa-Bec.
He also played behind the most effective defensive tactic the league has ever seen (trap defense) in the clutch and grab era where defensive players could just ride the offense like they were mechanical bulls. That style of play was so effective at shutting down goal scoring the league had to completely outlaw it and change the rules to increase scoring opportunities. Playing the Devils in the late 90s, early 2000s was like trying to skate through a brick wall while being pulled in the other direction by tow rope connected to a zamboni. All the rules favored the defense back then. As a fan of skilled hockey, it was some of the most boring hockey to watch in the history of the NHL. Just offensive players dumping the puck and then getting ridden by the defense as they tried to chase after the puck, only to have the defense dump it back into the other zone. Rinse and repeat all game. A lot of goals were just the result of luck, like a defensive player whiffing on the puck trying to send it out of their zone, or a clutch and grab on an offensive player that just happened to be strong enough to resist it and get off a shot. So glad that era is over.
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Brodeur was excellent but he had a chance to play in the Dead Puck Era. The Devils of Jacques Lemaire and Larry Robinson played the trap. Brodeur received 20 shots per game. For me, Roy is the GOAT. The greater the pressure, the better he was. Only player to receive 3 Conn Smythe. More victories when it matters most, in the playoffs. And he played half his career in Montreal with all the pressure that comes with it.
Marty is the reason goalies can't go into the corners and play the puck anymore ....the best !!!
He was Great. Workhorse, Longevity. I see him # 2 or 3 alltime. If i had to take any goalie for game 7, it still would be Roy.
If you want a goalie to allow 6 goals in game 7 you should take Roy for sure :D
Best goalie equipment as well...
he was good but it also helped that he was on the team with the most stifling defense in history. Trapping helped his stats because teams didnt even get to the net.
I think you're forgetting some of the past Canadiens teams when it comes to best defenses.
Marty was a great goalie. There is one area of his career that stands out. Unlike Patrick Roy - who won 3 Conn Smythe Trophies - Brodeur never won a single Conn Smythe! Why? Because he played for a team that typically gave up about +/- 20 shots/game - a stat that can provide a good/great goalie with some fantastic numbers and individual awards. Unlike Roy, Marty was never required to carry his team on his back to win a Championship. Great goalie but not the best.
He was one of the best, but not a top 5 all-time. He played behind an amazing defense during the DPE, and also happened to be able to handle the puck like a 3rd defenseman. And he didnt create a new style, that was Roy.
From 95 to 2009 the Devils and Ducks were the 2 teams i watched religiously, i personally felt Marty was a tad over rated and benifited from the Devils defensive style of play and having legends like Stevens, Niedermayer and Daneyko in front of him. He would guve up some goals that would have me scratching my head. Im not saying he was trash, just say i didnt think he was as good as people say when i watched him. But im going to also say i compare Goalies to Dominic Hasek cuz hes the best goalie iv seen w my own 2 eyes when he was in Buffalo and that team didnt play a lick of defense in front if him.
I don't want to necessarily "take away" from Brodeur, as he is an incredible goalie. I would firmly place him in the top 8 all-time. But my hot take of Brodeur is no other professional athlete, in any sport, that is up there in GOAT conversations was a larger beneficiary of success due to the system/team he had in front of him than Marty Brodeur.
Greatest of all time & its not even close
Roy and hasek were much better.
@@alwillk 😄😆😄 keep smokin crack
Look at the boring ass trap team he played behind. I’m not denying the fact that he is one of the best goaltenders ever, but he definitely had help.
Watch at 1.25x speed. Way more manageable.
Best Goalie Ever.
he should take up swimming, hes a great diver.
He claimed to have wanted to put Hockey on the back burner just to hangout with his precious buddies who actually were just associates with reckless abandon. Real friends know and support what's best for you! He's lucky his brother put him back on track to become the legend he now is! 👍 😅
Uncle Marty
The third best goaltender of all time...
He was definitely a very good goalie.
However, he did play the bulk of his career behind an absolute stacked Devils team.
They won 3 cups between '95 - '03, just for reference to how built that team was.
Not to take away from his skill or career, but I do wonder if his nunbers would have been as impressive if he got shafted like Hasek did, playing behind a basically awful Buffalo team for years, yet still putting up crazy stats.
Flawed logic. Playing behind a defensive team helps GAA, not save%.
Do you ever says "Scott Niedermeyer was not that good, he had Brodeur to back him up" ?
Or "the Bulls must have been stacked they won six title in seven years... therefor MJ was overrated" ?
@MDogme
Playing behind a solid defensive team absolutely helps save %.
A better defense core will allow fewer breakaways, less 2 on 1's, and be much more efficient at keeping high percentage shots to a minimum (keep most shots to the outside, etc..).
I wouldn’t say a “stacked” team in front of him.
I think it was a somewhat offensively challenged team that played a mind-numbing and boring assed style of defensive hockey. Not diminishing what Brodeur accomplished, but he had a lot of help in tbe neutral zone.
@oilersridersbluejays
Well, we could debate the term "stacked" until we're dead.
But that team won 3 cups in 8 years so...
They were about as solid as it gets for the time.
Brodeur's puck-handling skills were new in the NHL at the time, goalies didn't start putting a curve on their sticks until the early 80s when Martin was still in Pee-Wee for preteen players, Patrick Roy curved his stick too, but he didn't start doing it until he joined QMJHL's Grandby Bisons as an older teen and goalies curving their sticks was trendy. Brodeur's ability to play the puck and the Devil's trap system made playing against them so tedious and boring, you couldn't carry the puck in and Brodeur's puck handling almost guaranteed a turnover if they tried to dump and chase. The only real threats to his style were big power forwards like Todd Bertuzzi, Keith Tkachuck and Mark Messier who could force their way over the blueline, grind along the boards and hold their own fighting for a screening position in front of the goal.
Disgustingly good.
He had one of his best seasons in 2008, after the lockout. This invalidates any argument that he was a product of the Devil's system. The Devils system worked because of him, no the other way around.
No one is saying Brodeur wasn't good, but to claim the trap system didn't greatly benefit his numbers is delusional. Shots against and scoring opporutinites for opposing offenses were at all time lows during his prime years in NJ.
@@brandonb.5304 his 5 best seasons came after trap tho. so guess again
So glad they made the trapezoid rule. Weird how he never won after they did. Hmmm
If you think that what apply to all team was such a upside for a single team.
That only speaks of his amazing stick handling skills.
You make a good point, he was great!
u just made an argument for him. lol. having to change the rules to make it fair for others is the pinnacle of respect.
and cowardice of the league.
How Good Was Martin Brodeur Actually?
Not as good as Dominik Hasek, but still pretty good.
Name is Jules,huh .i wonder...
Spoiler: He was excellent.
Leafs fan here
To anyone using the: "but he faced so few shots behind a great defence" line... he was a third defenceman. That might be why he faced so few shots, yes? (No dosrespect to Stevens, guy was built of lead) So, very sorry, but he's only behind Roy and maybe Plante in my books.
Hasek was just a case of undiagnosed spastic palsy, who got lucky.
Reg season:
1. Roy
2. Brodeur
3. Plante
4. Benedict
5. Durnan/Dryden
6. Belfour/Hasek
7. Sawchuk
Hasek must be the luckiest guy in the world because he was very consistently lucky.
@@ABC-sc2ip you know when someone calls hasek lucky they know nothing about hockey. This dude above not placing Luongo/Price above all these old timers makes no sense. Even Tim Thomas did more than Benedict lmao.
He's The Goat...end of discussion.
Barely top 5...
Goalies are weird, you have Luongo in the top 5 and HoF without winning jack shit in the league. At least Fleury is given proper respect considering how much he was left out in the lurch in the Bylsma era
Luongon won a lot of games on objectively bad teams. That counts. You don't need all the awards in the world to be a Hall of Famer. Luongo is like Lincecum in baseball. Great.
Your Glazing up “Brodeur” way too much?.. When the Devils were literally a “Defensive Team” for the majority of years, Brodeur played for them?. The Dmen players? Scott Stevens, Scott Nidermayer, Brian Rafalski, Ken Daneyko. The Defensive Forwards? who played 10 plus years with the Devils etc: Bobby Holik, Sergei Brylin. Those players deserve more Credit than do! With Brodeurs Career! 👍🏼
NHL didn't change the rules to help contain Brodeur, they did it because of the dead puck hockey the Devils created which led to their cups. The trap killed hockey, lots of people stopped watching because it started to become way too defensive and boring. Crosby and Ovi inevitably ended up saving it, and the rules the NHL put in place helped contain the neutral zone trap. Not Brodeur.
That’s not true by any means pal hockey was exciting and thriving at full length in that era , far too many exceptional players to list
Wrong. People walked away after the lockout season. It wasn't because the hockey was boring. Hockey today is boring. Nothing more than a bunch of soccer players on ice, flip-flopping all over whenever they're touched.
It’s probably Hasek, Roy, Brodeur in that order.
I would go Roy, Hasek brodeur. Roy played and won in the 80s which was a significantly more offensive era.
@@alwillk Yeah I never saw Roy in the 80s, or any hockey from the 80s for that matter. But I remember seeing Hasek as a kid during his peak, and to this day I’ve never seen anything like that. He is the most 1 of 1 athlete that I have ever seen.
Obviously my take comes with a lot of context, and obviously the over all body of work is in Roy’s favour… but damn if 96-99 Hasek isn’t the apex of NHL goaltending.
Correction they didn't change the rules because of Brodeur, they changed it because of the boring neutral zone trap, suffocating defense lead by Scott Stevens. Out of my years watching hockey, I never said to myself omg Its Brodeur, we lost. NOPE I said its the ducking Devils playing that bs trap. Brodeur was great dont get me wrong but I dont think he is even in the conversation of top 5 best goalies of all time. Just my opinion.
100% spot on. Brodeur was good, but he wasn't some god in the net. It was the Devil's goddamn trap defense that made offenses want to just skate off the ice and give up. That neutral zone trap was the most frustrating thing to ever be invented in the game. And combining it with the clutching, hooking, and grabbing that was allowed in that era, it made scoring even one or two goals a rare occurrence. It was some of the most irritating hockey to watch.
@brandonb.5304 yes sir ! There is s guy on CZcams that broke down Brodeurs stats through his career, and most of his stats weren't all that great. I think he had to be great when he needed to be, and I would go as far as saying clutch saves when needed. He still can't be in the conversation with people like Pat Roy, Ken Dryden, Bernie Parent, The Dominator, and the goalie from Russia in the 70s. That guy was a monster.
Brodeur is top 5 goalies all time. That's not even a convo. If you don't think he belongs top 5, you're just wrong. No convo here. You can say useless shit as long as you want, but Brodeur paved the way for modern butterfly.
@Goldeneye3336 If you're opinion is Brodeur is top 5 then excellent. Me or anyone else isn't going to change your opinion. However, what I will argue is your ignorant comments of "Brodeur Paved the way for modern day butterfly style goaltending." I'm sorry, guy, but you are completely wrong. First off Brodeur wasn't even considered as a butterfly goalie, he was considered a half stand up hybrid. Here is a very short butterfly style goalies that paved the way. Patrick Roy, Dominic Hasek, Vladislav Tretiak, Tony Esposito, Glenn Hall, and Terry Sawchuk. Patrick Roy and Hasek dominated as the greatest butterfly goalies to play the game. I'm not even arguing that Marty was definitely a great goalie, but as the response to the video, which claimed the rules were charged by Martain Brodeur, sadly, they were not. The trap system system was improved on by the Devils which spread to the Wings, who won back to back cups using the "left wing lock" 97-98. Despite scoring very little. Yes Brodeur is a great goalie, and no doubt should be in the HOF but the greatest goalie or even top 5, I dont think so .Roy, Hasek, Parent, Ken Dryden, Jaques Plante. So maybe it is you that should learn hockey more before speaking.
Benefited greatly from playing in a trap system behind hall of fame defencemen.
As a Flyers fan I hated having to play against Brodeur, but without a doubt he is the undisputed greatest goaltender of all time. People like to point at the trap as to the reason for his success, but I think its just a cop out. He played against some of the greatest goal scorers hockey has ever seen in an one of the highest scoring era's of all time. The fact that he was able to pass Terry Sawchucks career shutout record was something I thought would never be broken. The man deserves his due he was amazing and it was a privilege to see him play.
Sadly, couldn't agree more from another Orange & Black fan :-///
The mid/late 90s and early 2000s were NOT one of the highest scoring eras of all-time. His prime was during the clutch and grab era where defensemen literally hooking and grabbing onto offensive players was the norm and rarely called. The NHL also had to ban the neutral zone trap because it was so effective at limiting shots and scoring opportunities. Not sure what you're even talking about when you claim it was one of the highest scoring eras of all time, but that's just flat out false.
@@brandonb.5304 NJ was known for the dreaded "Neutral Zone Trap" and also I recall the Red WIngs were infamous for the "Left Wing Lock" which pretty much shut down the Fly-Guys when they got swept in the 1997 Cup Finals... As a fan I truly hated both styles!!!
@@brandonb.5304 5 players averaged more than a goal a game, all in the 80's and 90's so not sure what you are talking about. If you look up the top 10 season of most goals scored in the NHL they are all from the 80's and 90's, go ahead check I'll wait for the apology while you actually look at the numbers. Gretzky, Lemieux, Hull, Jagr, Selanne, Kurri, Yzerman, Bossy, hell Lanny McDonald scored 66 in 1983 but nice try.
What’s in the water in Quebec? Trick question, water cannot exist in Quebec with their average temps hovering around -138C.
I know you’re attempting a joke but southern Quebec isn’t really all that cold comparatively speaking compared to most other places in Canada. And water turns into ice when it freezes. Obviously you know this and was trying to make a joke, but it wasn’t funny.
Hasek, Roy and Brodeur... you can debate the order.
The Rangers BOUGHT their ONE Cup , the Devils EARNED their THREE !!!
Naa Marty gifted it to them with his inability to stop a wrap around
His name is martin not martan
It is pronounced martan and it's fine. Settle down. You're a nobody.
UH.... 3 cups in 10 years isnt a dynasty. The fact you even used the words "official dynasty" is even scarier. FYI, the HHOF designates who reaches dynasty status based off of their criteria. A dynasty is a team that has won 3 cups in no more than 5 seasons.. this is why Chicagos 3 in 6 isn't recognized by the Hall as a dynasty and they don't get added to the official list or get a display. You should know this stuff before you make a video.
Uhh, it was 3 cups in 8 years. You should be able to do basic math before you make a douchey comment "correcting" someone's video.
Why are you saying martAn? Is there a joke I’m not aware of?
Because it’s pronounced “Mar-tan”, not “Mart-in”. The guy is French. Virtually every NHL announcer pronounced it “Mar-tan”. Most likely you were too young to watch the guy play so you didn’t know this.
@@oilersridersbluejays I’m new to hockey so I didn’t grow up watching anyone play actually lol
@@oilersridersbluejays So your attitude just carries over from comment to comment. A gem that goes on reddit lmao.
@@tifosistaymad583 Anyway they're clueless.
Thus is giving me foot lettuce vibes
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He’s the best ever, period. No goalies in todays game can do the things that Brodeur could do
Hasek was far better
That's only true because today's goalies don't get the benefit of playing behind the neutral zone trap, the most effective defensive tactic ever at shutting down scoring opportunities. Brodeur was good, but he greatly benefitted from the defensive style played in front of him and the HOF defensemen he had on his team. Also, don't forget he played a lot of his career in the clutch and grab era where hooking and grabbing offensive players was basically allowed unless it was so egregious it caused the offensive player to trip and fall.
Holy, start the video off with a little less energy. You sound way too excited making this
He also "lost" the most games, but how many people think of that? He played the most games, but never once led the league in save percentage. A great goalie, sure, but honestly, one of the most overrated. Goalies don't actually "win" games, because they don't control the offense. If a goalie gives up one goal but his team doesn't score--um--the team loses.
Tell me you suck without telling me. A good goalie will 100% win you games. ever hard about a goalie that ended up providing safety when you had a lead. You want that sort of goaltender. If your sole point is that they won't score goals, then all games end up being 0-0 in your silly reasoning. An all-time amateur perspective, goalie not winning games. My man hasn't seen good hockey in a while it appears.
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Simply put, Martin Brodeur is the single greatest goalie of all time. His career perfectly correlates and causates with the only time in franchise history that the New Jersey Devils haven't been the NHL's Mickey Mouse Operation.
Wrong, Hasek was greater
@@lordrevanz16 Brodeur holds literally every goalie record and, like I said, was single-handedly responsible for the only period of relevancy that the New Jersey Devils have ever had. Dominek Hasek was incredible, but he's never held the records or made the impact on the course of NHL history that Brodeur had.
@furioussherman7265 lol, Brodeur played on defensive minded Devils teams with Stevens and Niedermayer, playing the trap for over half his career. Brodeur never won the Vezina until Hasek retired the first time. Hasek has a significantly better save percentage, holds the record for Vezina wins, all won while Brodeur was also in his prime, is the only goalie to win the Hart twice, and won the Pearson twice voted by the players as the best player in the League, all while on garbage Sabres teams. If Hasek had been able to come over sooner, or was traded to Detroit sooner, there'd be no argument.
Hasek sv pct is significantly higher. .922 to .912. He also has 2 mvps which Brodeur has 0 and 6 vezinas to Brodeurs 4. Roy is even better than Brodeur.
@@lordrevanz16 i love how.01% is significant.
out of 100000k shots thats a 1000 more saves. thats nothing.
hasek also played a fuck ton less goals meaning 1 shutout affects his stats way more.
haseks prime is better then brodeurs.
but hasek had less 30+ wins than brodeur had 40+ wins.
i my self think hasek is slightly above in his prime. but brodeur had a 14 year prime not 5 year prime.
Its Martin, not marten.
It’s pronounced “Mar-tan”. He’s French.
@@oilersridersbluejays welll its an english speaking league
@@mercurio822 That doesn't mean you don't pronounce a person's name how it's pronounced.
He's a great goalie. But he's not the best. The Devil's shutdown every team, so having a goal against average that low is not surprising, when most mages he faced 20 (weak) shots.
Most game wons?? 🙄
Short answer, he played behind the greatest defense in the deadpuck era.
Was he good yes,
As good as Roy or Hasek? Absolutely not.
I'll concede Hasek but Roy had some fantastic defensive teams in front of him too. In Montreal in the 80s he had Chelios, an aging but still decent Larry Robinson, great 2 way forwards like Carboneau and Gainey. And in Colorado he had Foote and Blake and Bourque were bought in later on. That's not to disparage Roy, he was a legend. But I see ppl use the fact Brodeur had great defenses in front of him against him but not Roy. I watched alot of those New Jersey playoffs runs and Marty was fantastic in those games. And there were games he had to make more saves than 25. While New Jersey was better I would argue some of those groups Roy had were almost as good. Certainly that 01 Colorado d was fantastic. Hasek on the other hand was just amazing. He single handedly won games most nights.
@@jbellflower83because Roy only had 1 and a quarter seasons with a 40+ year old Bourque and 2 and a quarter seasons with Rob Blake