Who Will Win The Ballon d'Or?
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2023
- @RoryJenningsFootball & @Buvey debate who the winner of this year's Ballon d'Or. Are Lionel Messi & Erling Haaland the only players with a chance or could the likes of Rodri or Harry Kane produce a shock result?
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Start of the season:
He'll be lucky to score 15
End:
Give him the Ballon'dor
Character development 😂
People can change their minds.
@miamitten1123 this is tru. However he really underestimated Haaland last year and got shut up less than a month 😂
To be fair, he has stood himself corrected over that thought.
😂😂😂 imagine taking shameless to another level
Problem with Ronaldo fans is that they forgot Ronaldo won it in 2013 when Ribery had won the treble
Not only that but the vote was closed and then re opened by fifa to make sure ronaldo won
Lol same as Lewandowski situation 😅😅
you can't bring up that argument when Messi should have two less ballon d'ors
@@onouphrios for which years ??? The 2010 argument is flawed because Iniesta wasn’t even the best player on the Spanish team. Iniesta didn’t carry Argentina like Messi did
@@arthurmcnallyzhou5349sneijder won a treble and the Barca boys won more than Messi that year with the World Cup. Messi didn’t score 1 goal at that World Cup and he won. In 2019, Van Dijk had a phenomenal season, won the ucl and guess who won? The player he eliminated in the semis: Messi. U can even say 2021.
r9 finished the 2002 season wih less than 10 goals and injured for half the season, plays amazing at the wc and wins the balon d'or, cannavaro gets relegated with juventus in 2006 plays amazing at the wcc and wins the balon d'or, CR7 was best player for madrid in 2018 but modric plays amazing at wc and wins balon d'or. i think we're completely underestimating the power of an amazing wc performance when it comes to determining the balon d'or winner.
Unfair but true
cannavaro getting relegated in 06 is misleading (calciopoli) had they not been force relegated, they wouldve won the league on 91 pts
They were relegated cos they were found guilty of cheating ffs
Paolo Rossi was banned for 2 years from football played like 10 games in 82 but won the World Cup and got ballon d’or
Modric also won the UCL in 2018 you forget. And funny since the exception to this rule in 2010 is Messi who did jackshit during that World Cup.
Rodri is actually a great shout. Just because he isn't an attacker doesn't mean he doesn't win games for his team. His consistency along with his crucial goals is amazing. I didn't watch Messi play at all this year so I have no idea if he performed better than KDB, Rodri or Haaland, but those 3 have to be in the top 4 for ballon'd'or.
If Harry Kane had carried England to a World Cup win I 100% guarantee Rory would be saying he has to win the Ballon d'Or.
Messi a victim of his own greatness.
England also have a much better team than Argentina 😂😭 the difference-maker is Messi.
@@ElPigeonMan100%
harry kane isnt playing in the Burger leauge or the Deliveroo league
@@Max-kx9wyplaying in a one team league
Messi has 41 goals and 26 assist at the age of 36.That is incredible
In a farmers league
@@skgsinc1833moron detected
17 goals are from international though
@@skgsinc1833 That's where you got it wrong. The so-called farmers league is part of the top 5 leagues in europe. Ballon d'or voters do not care whether the EPL is a better league or not. They look at player's achievements in their respective leagues. Haaland was the topscorer. No way was he the best player last season.
@@skgsinc1833so Mbappe can’t even be praised as one of the best in the world for the last couple of years bc he plays in Ligue 1? Ok got it
I think a lot of people who are hating on Messi getting even nominated, definitely didn't watch the French League last season. His playmaking last season was UNREAL for PSG, and not just in terms of assist, but in just pure amazing balls and chance creation, the amount of amazing through balls he played to his strikers which DIDN'T get scored isn't shown in his just 16 assists or whatever it was. He played genuinely amazing in 9 out of every 10 games he played for PSG. And of course the World Cup's history of influence into the Ballon d'Or is unmatched, and yes I'm aware World Cup winners/ performers didn't always get the award during the CR7 x Messi era, however in the LONG, LONG history of football World Cup winners almost always get preference. I feel like a lot of people, underestimate the sheer size and pressure of the WC, every great player LOVES it and the pressure to perform is immense. He did so outrageously well in every aspect on the biggest stage.
I wouldn't be mad if Haaland wins it though, as he's had an unreal season, which people are underappreciating due to Messi and Cristianos numbers within the last 10 years or so
course they didnt cause no one watches that league bro hahahaha
I’m surprised that so few ppl noticed the fact you mentioned.
That is why stats on paper are useless ,
Its a sad but true statement, and that is the problem with these so called analysist. they dont watch the games they mostly find out who scored and thats it lol analysist over. messi had 32 goal contributions in his last season for psg + what he did at the world cup. imagine this host actually said messi should not be on the list lol what a joke.
League 1 is a joke, they would even win without Messi and ney this season. They didnt buy Messi to win the farmers league, they bought him to win the ucl. And guess what he failed.
The World Cup is the greatest achievement in football. It automatically carries the most weight especially as Messi was a stand-out and key player in taking Argentina to the final and winning it. He was clutch in big games and in the final. Whereas Haaland, although being a finisher and scoring a record number of goals in the Premier League - it can be argued was largely due to the fantastic supply of those around him at Manchester City. In finals where City was en route to the treble, Haaland went missing in big games and wasn't clutch. In comparison with the World Cup, Messi was, and has been many times over in his career. Messi also does more all-around as a player in terms of team contribution.
The world cup is in large down to which country a player happens to be born in. If Messi was Nigerian or something he wouldn't come anywhere close to winning the world cup. No chance you can weigh the world cup more than winning a treble in your first season at a club and breaking the goalscoring record all while playing in the toughest league in the world.
@bmbm1 But that is how the award is weighted. World Cups count for more than anything else. Also, again, when was Haaland clutch in big games on the way to that treble? In the big games, as I recall, he went missing. Ruddige did a job on him, too.
@@bmbm1nah world cup is still the best achievement in football, always has been always will be if you think the prem, fa cup and ucl is worth more your deluded
Yeah that was 2022 what did he do in 2023 ?
@shamus3477 The Ballon d'Or is always for the past calendar year 🙃
Banter and Jokes aside, Buvey actually has the best ball knowledge on the Club
none of them know what they’re talking about. this is entertainment
None of them do but Buvey has the most terrible shouts because he will say something if it’s funny and he even slightly believes it could be true
Because you're a messi fan. And none of em have ball knowledge
LOL you can't be serious mate. Even if you were a messi fan, that's a mad take
@@gayfrickinfrog7168 Messi fangirls do be ruining football discussions and debates fr
cant believe rory unironically said "messi couldn't do it in the prem" lol
I don’t think he could
@@jd6069 congrats you've got the same intelligence as rory jennings
@@SopranoLFC ur just an average Messi fan who can’t stop wanking over him. Messi is past it now and there’s no way he could be one of the greatest in the prem unless he went to Man City and even then idk
I think Messi has a solid case to win the balon d’or. There hasn’t been a player that has outshined him beyond haaland. The thing with haaland is that he is the best goal scorer but beyond that his game isn’t transcendental. Not to take anything away from him because he is an unbelievable striker but Messi at this level he still has is better then 97% of players. Messi had an unbelievable World Cup and there isn’t another player who is just leagues ahead of him as a player (when people say inestia, ribery etc should have won one all I can say is at the end of the day Ronaldo and Messi were still the 2 best players and it wasn’t close).
Brainwash
There are players that been better than Messi in the world cup. Better than him in the UCL. Better than him in domestic league.
Then why didn’t he carry PSG in Europe? That’s the difference, he’s NOT still the best in Europe. The best in Europe going out in the RO16 without contributing a single meaningful moment? The World Cup can’t be the thing that just overrules every haaland achievement this season
@@JammyDo name them. I think there are maybe 3-4 players better than him and even then it’s not like there’s a huge gap.
shut up he scored 3 pens and 6 goals in the worst leage itw
Winner should be Messi.
Anyone who disagrees is either biased or should brush up on their football knowledge.
I wouldn't even have Haaland 2nd to be fair (Buvey is completely right about Rodri).
All 'general' statistic point in Messi's favour.
You can't JUST compare goals, since Messi is much more of a playmaker than an attacker.
So we have to use 'general'/fair metric applicable to both players here.
The ballon voting period is from augusts 1st 2022 till july 31st 2023, in that time:
- Messi had more g/a than Haaland (in less games by the way)
- Messi obviously dominates in any other aspect of football (like passing, dribbling stats). In fact, Messi actually outperformed De Bruyne when it comes to playmaking.
- Messi had more motm awards than Haaland
- Messi had a higher average matchrating than Haaland
- Messi didn't dissapear in many big games, like Haaland did.
- Messi won the world cup, which has always held high value when it comes to ballon d'or rankings.
Obviously football can't fully be put into stats. The 'eyetest' is also very important.
However I can't explain my argument using 'the eyetest'.
If anything, the eyetest tells you Messi is better aswell.
How was messi better than mbappe forget haaland?
In the ucl mbappe was better
In the league mbappe was better
World cup mbappe was better and had the worse team.
ain’t nobody reading all that, virgin
@@AddhyanY
First of all, Mbappe wasn't better in the league.
People who think that probably just read the results and goalscorers or something.
If you actually watched the games, you would know Messi was a lot better in the league.
He gave Mbappe like 4/5 one on one chances every single games.
He literally could have gotten the all time assist record if Mbappe wasn't as wastefull.
Mbappe also wasn't better at the world cup, that's some big time bullshit right there.
Until the final, Mbappe wasn't even the best player for France in my opinion (griezmann was).
Mbappe had a poor game in both the quarters and semi's. However people forgot that, because his final performance.
Champions league, yeah you could argue Mbappe. However he was injured for 1st leg against Bayern.
In the group, i'm not even sure that Mbappe was much better. I mean he had more goals, but Messi had 4 goals + 4 assists.
He obviously offers a lot more aswell besides just goals and assists in terms of playmking, creating chances etc..
I actually think Messi's matchrating in ucl could also be higher than Mbappe's.
Champions league is the only debateble one. League and world cup, Messi was clear.
@@jaforgah
It's called explaining your opinion. Instead of making one liner comments without any purpose.
Love this logic, because if kolo Muani had scored in the last minute of the game and won it for France, suddenly Mbappe would be frontrunner to win the ballon d'or no?
Funny to think about when you consider the fact that he's not even in the debate right now, based on one missed shot from his teammate.
Rory talking about who carried a team whilst ignoring Messi carried Argentina to that World Cup. Yes other players did well, but Argentina were not the best team there and Messi spearheaded them to the biggest trophy in football
100%
Scoring pk’s isn’t carrying a team. He did very little for them besides that. Winning a treble is much more difficult than winning a 7 game tournament.
Julian Alvarez carried Argentina if we are to be honest
@@MD-dh3svArgentina without messi packing their bag after 2nd game of group stage, you hater. Don't discredit someone to make other achievement look good, if you thinks halland deserve the balon dor, prop him. Both of them will be 1&2 which means that only those 2 are in race. I am seeing people attacking halland & messi by the thought of them winning like they are some bum footballer who is abt to win best individual award. 😂
@@MD-dh3svwithout Penalties and tapins , Ronaldo and Haaland are another lukaku. Overhyped players
Ballondor isn’t about stats it’s about football. Messi played the best football this year simple as that!
he played the best football for 4 games in the world cup. remind me how many penalties again
@@machenry_ football is not about stats he played the best football that’s it
@@machenry_
7 games and he was great for PSG all season.
@@machenry_
France got 4 penalties in 2018, nobody batted an eyelid. Almost like it’s part of the game.
@@Slim-MMAGreat for PSG but got knocked out in the round of 16 of the UCL , the ultimate club competition. the same one Haaland won and got top scorer in lol
If it’s so easy why hasn’t England with the players from the best league in the world not won in 60 years? Take Haaland out of city and what do you get? A team that won 4/5 PL, played in semis and finals of CL. Take Messi out of Argentina and the won’t even qualify for the World Cup let alone win it. Messi will win the ballon d’or and it will be deserved. Usually the ballon d’or is decided by the WC, just because the WC was in the middle of the season and not at the end as it usually is don’t let that sway you Rory.. the importance is the same.
Why wouldn't Argentina qualify for the WC without Messi? Everyone else in that team is also CL quality. They are one of the strongest nations even without Messi.
🤣🤣🤣 Argentina won wc because entire team played amazing and gave 110% messi did not carry them to that final. He played well but did not put them on his back. That team played amazing together. Yes he had moments were he changed game.
But without that team behind him, messi doesn't win it.
@@connorzxmcfhero1765 They fought for their life BECAUSE of messi
Messi would be top 3 in the Prem. How can Rory even think he has any credibility to even try to debate when he said Haaland would flop and score less than 15 goals
How do we know though? I think he would be great, but it would take time for him to get use to the league. Don't forget he flunk the first season in Ligue 1.
@@martinsanchez4827 thats because he wasnt happy there. He never wanted to go PSG. If he willingly goes to a PL club, he will undoubtedly be the best player there
@@aditta2649well if he was so good why did Barca let him go? Until I see Messi go to another team and actually compete in the UCL, I won't regard him as the best in the PL.
@@martinsanchez4827you're delusional mate. You think Barca wanted him to leave??? And Messi was the best player in the UCL group stage last season along with mbappe
@@Vid_21 they did want him to leave, what are you about. They didn't even have a leaving ceremony, which he was really upset about. Also he's group stage was piss easy, where they didn't even finish first, even with a star-studded team. And once they played against a decent team (Bayern), they couldn't score or assist one goal when it counted. Messi is the goat, but stop with this rubbish where he would dominate every league and the champions league when it's not true.
Honestly give it to Rodri 😅 what a beast
agree
Lowkey wouldn’t complain
This ^
Messi was scoring the same type of goals in La Liga and France ,he's elite
Answer: Messi.
Messi now has 8 Balon d'Ors
2009: Deserved
2010: Sneijder
2011: Deserved
2012: Deserved
2015: Deserved
2019: Van Dijk
2021: Lewandowski
2023: Håland
#TruthBeTold
As a City fan, It's Messi. It always been Messi. There is no other player in the world now or ever could do what Messi did with Argentina in the World Cup. Not one. Take Messi out from Argentina and look at the team. Haaland had a brilliant season of course. He was one of the main guys in an incredible team. Messi was the team.
Glaze
@@grimmymana2402called facts
So using this logic, if kolo Muani had scored in the last minute of the game and won it for France, suddenly Mbappe would be frontrunner to win the ballon d'or?
Funny to think about when you consider the fact that he's not even in the debate now, based on one missed shot from his teammate.
Ah yes, as if Emi Martinez, De Paul, McAllister, Enzo, Alvarez and Di Maria all sat around doing nothing. Messi was Argentina's best player but let's not pretend like he carried them. They're a great team with lots of quality players who all contributed to the world cup win.
@@areebsiddiqui758 could literally say the exact same thing about haaland and man city
Leo Messi is still top 3 players in the world even at his age. To say he couldn't do it in the prem is the hight of arrogance. The best player of all time and its not even close
@@faith7917was easily the best player at PSG but the talk sport headlines you read made you think otherwise lmao
@@ManjDogmbappe was but sure, whatever makes you sleep better
@@petergriffin8860 aye mate I’ll be an insomniac for the rest of my days with the news that a peter griffin CZcams account disagrees with me
@@petergriffin8860Mbappe had like 3 touches against Bayern which their defenders bodied him off the ball💀💀
So why didn’t he come to the p l then
how can rory say its haaland when hes not even the best player in his own team?
I do agree that it’s not just about numbers, it’s almost symbolic as Buvey said. It symbolises the best player in the world at that time. On that basis it’s Messi, it will be his last but he is still the best player in the world. Haaland will win many in the future, no doubt and if it was just based on numbers, then he would be a shoe in. But I do get where Buvey is going here and he fair play to him for not being biased.
It’s irrelevant if haaland will win them in the future it’s an individual award and as an individual no one has done what he has done messi wasn’t even the best player in the World Cup haaland won treble and broke countless records 100% deserves it
@@masongill4985🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@masongill4985He was the worst City player in Final of UCL / FA Cup. Ur just another stupid Ronaldo fan lol.
@@edenjorginho8604 what’s funny
@@masongill4985 what you said
It’s a toss up but the difference is haaland is playing in the best team in the world and went missing in all the finals he was involved in, Messi single handedly dragged Argentina to the World Cup instrumental in every single game along the way
His season with psg wasn't bad either
@@anotherhappylanding4746Thank you. Missy was literally the one that was created opportunities for that team He wasn't always goal scorer all the time that was pretty much what Mbappe was. But he was the one creating the opportunities and assist for his team to succeed well especially during French competition
Messi will get the Ballon Dor this year don't listen to Haaland fans 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 they're in their feelings and will throw a hissy fit but it's not up to them
Top 3 most goal contribution in Europe last season at 35 also WC Pott, 2nd top scorer whereas haaland has ghosted almost every single big game he played last season whether it's UCL or domestic cups
Buveys right tbh, Messi maybe not top 3 but definitely would handle it even now in the prem. he’s lost the fitness and speed but his feet are just unreal. He would still be a top player for any top6 side
no chance you actually believe this, he’d get maybe 5G/5A a season
@@jaforgah😂😂😂 stupid clown
@@jaforgah braindead
@@jaforgah fucking hell 🤣🤣🤣
@@jaforgah13 goals 16 assits wat he would get . He don’t gotta do much it’s city
But the Balon d’Or changed 2 years ago to look at the last season vs the calendar year. So Messi’s time in MLS isn’t a factor. It’s a full season in France plus the World Cup Performance.
Buvey so hypocritical going from "the English Championship is probably better than the French league, Saudi, MLS, etc." to now hyping up Messi's stats in those same leagues lmao.
The thing never mentioned is, if either Messi or CR7 never existed, the other one would have won it 12 times!
Messi gets it for me for the WC, but it will be his last one.
His 8th Balon D'or will never be matched, how young he burst onto the scene & was tearing up La Liga, he was a great as a teenagert, his injury record and how he has adapted his game, he will remain the greatest ever.
Reminder that PSG won the league by 1 point, mostly thanks to Messi and Mbappé.
What an achievement. They are the best team by far and they won 😂
@@TSEliot1978
“Best team by far” - won by 1 point. Empty skull.
A cab drivers league
Apart from the 2021-2022 season Messi has inarguably been the best player in the world since 2008/2009 season. The other players who won balon d’or /FIFA/Uefa awards just happened to win team trophies but were by no means better than Messi. Ronaldo fought to match him in goal scoring but that’s about it, everything else he is above and beyond everyone else. Haaland should try this current season, this time is Messi’s last.
Messi has better overall stats compared to haaland, only his goal count is less, give haaland the golden boot and respect messi, 6 touches a game doesn't make you the best footballer, best poacher award is for haaland
Messi - 53 g/a in 22/23, for club and country
Haaland 65 g/a in 22/23, for club and country
Stop lying mate, Haaland has better stats. We all love Messi, but constantly jerking him off isn't going to change reality.
@@TP-pq9xxMessi has over 60+ goal contributions not even including a few inter Miami games that count
Haaland as a pure goalscorer had zero goals in arguably City's 5 biggest games last season:
CL final
FA cup final
CL semi 2nd leg
CL semi 1st leg
FA cup semi
Messi had 7 goals/assists in 4 World Cup knockout matches, with arguably more pressure on his shoulders than any athlete in the 21st century has had for a single tournament. All the hype was around him going into it. 35 years old... his last chance to win it, and with the expectation of doing so in a Maradona-style willing his team to victory fashion. It's obvious for me
Haaland contributed without scoring goals. Oppositions were so afraid of him that they constantly put two players on him. He helped take defenders out of the game allowing opportunities for the likes of De Bruyne and Gundogan to score.
@@areebsiddiqui758 Haaland might contribute without scoring... But Messi literally will play up front, no.10, right wing and central midfield/deep lying playmaker all at once mate, as a 35 year old. Haaland took a team that was 1 game away from winning a treble, to a treble... Even besides the Argentina success, PSG didn't even win the league the year before messi joined lol. Inter Miami hadn't won in 12 games and immediately won 12 consecutive...
You can say the MLS is easy, but ibra, gerrard, lampard, pirlo, kaka, henry, villa, rooney, beckham, drogba, bale e.t.c all played in that league at similar ages and didn't make anything like the impact and were on stronger teams
How on Earth was that FA Cup Semi Final in the top 5 games for City last season? Both Manchester derby's and both games v Arsenal in the league were bigger. City rotated half the team v Sheffield United.
@@georgeyboy5256 Becuase it's the FA cup semi final... Also, the fact that it was sheff utd and he still didn't get on the scoresheet despite starting the game if anything is worse lol. Would you still be saying the same thing if it was shef utd in the final? The first manchester derby was a league game at the etihad in the first week of October... that is not bigger than the FA cup semi final ffs 😂
@@onetwo8847 The FA Cup doesn't matter at all anymore unless it's part of a treble. Which rarely ever happens.
In the vast majority of seasons a Manchester derby is more important than even a FA Cup final.
Rory you are not serious🤣
Messi in that City is a rollacoaster ride for him. Zero pressure..sorrounded by special players that can do magic at any time. EPL Title is guaranteed for him.
Haaland cannot win Balon Dor with 15 touches per game and Lukaku's first touch. Its not a statistic award..Y'all are carrying the entire City trophy cabinet and putting it on Haaland. City won EPL back to back without a striker. Buvey is spot on, Rodri and KDB are waaaaay better players in that City team than Haaland. Haaland would have a proper case if he turned up against Madrid and Inter Milan in UCL as well as FA final against United. These were City's most important games last season and dude pulled a disasterclass.
Buvey you are wrong on Mbappe. That Kolo Muani shot goes in Mbappe is winning this Balon DOR easily.
They are not just awarding Messi for his entire career, but they are awarding his entire life story. You dont wake up and given Maradona's shoes then you'll live upto it in the most incredible way possible. We are talking of a guy with billions behind him in Qatar. WC is not a 7-game tournament..its the biggest football platform that comes once every 4 years. Yes, once every for years. The prestige and difficulty of any football competition increases with a decrease in the number of games. Thats why WC comes first (7 GAMES), UEFA comes second (13 games), and Leagues comes third (38 games). WC is the perfect definition of Now or Never..it tests everything in a footballer, from character, precision, passion, talent etc...Snubbing Messi after being key to the greatest WC tournament ever seen is disgrace to the game. Its a huge statement that these money-oriented clubs have completely overtaken the national pride in world football.
Well said mate
"Its not a debate, there is just one"
*proceeds to make a video debating it*
Messi also won three trophies including the World Cup…Messi deserves the Ballon d’or…The guy in blue is talking garbage…World Cup is the pinnacle of football and Messi deserves the Ballon d’or…He just hates Messi’s natural gifts…
Does Rory not know that Messi has the most goals and assists in Europe 😂😂😂.He has the most man of the matches and best average rating (8+) in Europe.2nd most big chances and chances created behind Bruno.The 2nd most dribbles behind Vinicius.The only thing haaland has more is just goals and also has triple the big chances missed
Messi had 53 g/a and Haaland had 65 g/a. Guess which one is a bigger number.
Haaland has a treble and set the goal scoring record
@@TP-pq9xx They both have 62 G/A each in all competitions. You have to go on all the official league websites (efl, fa cup etc) for each player and count them up because a lot of websites have different stats.
@@TP-pq9xx Actually watch football rather than just use stats. In the biggest tournament in world football Messi carried his team to the trophy and won player of the tournament
Lionel Messi is in the top 5 scorers against the premier league top 6 … he hasn’t even played in the prem once so to say he wouldn’t cut it in the prem even now is crazy . Players have tried to crunch him and foul him all of his career and he’s just ghosted past everyone so if you think abit of prem physicality would throw him off then that’s just a ludicrous take
Another Rory L
Messi put in a performance for the ages in that tournament.
Haaland is a world class finisher but to win you have to have GREAT moments.
Unfortunately he didn’t score in any of the finals he played in
I've always thought that the World Cup should heavily affect the outcome of the Ballon D'or when the years align. It's the greatest prize in football and he carried his nation to the trophy for the first time in 36 years, winning the Golden Ball at the same time.
It’s not though is it…it’s the biggest stage from a viewership standpoint but it’s not even close competition wise to any of the European competitions…it’s similar to the fa cup
@@isaacweston685stay off the weed
He won in it in 2022. It's the 2023 Ballon d'Or. Also, why didn't a 19yr old Mbappe win it in 2018 WC win instead of Modric?
@@miamitten1123doesn’t matter what year he won the World Cup as long as it’s in the time period from last years announcement of ballon do’r to this one so it’s fair game
@@miamitten1123 It's the 22/23 Ballon d'Or. It's not based off a calendar year anymore.
It never happened that a player won the ballon dor in a world cup year without having a single minute in it
Well yeah but Messi literally scored 0 goals at the 2010 World Cup and did jackshit and he still won over Iniesta who scored the winning goal.
@@TSEliot1978 so haaland this year was as good as messi 2010 your saying?
@@noamthegoat3301 I mean Halaand scored more goals AND he won the UCL unlike Messi in 2010.
@@TSEliot1978 there is already an award for goalscoring. A lot of goals doesn’t mean he automatically gets the ballon dor
@@noamthegoat3301 And Messi shouldn't have gotten it in 2010
I wish best players in a specific year should have won the Ballon d’or once in their life time
Mbappe is not close apparently but scored a hat trick in the World Cup final when his whole team had a day off
Agree he is clutch, where was haaland when his team needed a goal in a final?
I can see the argument for a City player but in awe of Rory putting Kane in the top 3 over Messi. Has to be trolling otherwise he is an absolute weapons grade mong.
Rory come on now. It's Messi all day. Could haaland win that world cup if he replaced Messi, no chance. Could manchester city win the treble with Messi replacing haaland, absolutely yes. Haaland never scored or assisted in one semi final or final
Could Messi win the world cup if he was playing for Norway? No chance.
Could Messi win the treble if he was in all those competitions? Well he was, and he couldn't.
People forget how much the World Cup effects the Ballon Dor
In 2010,2014 and 2018 why wasn't there an effect?
Both are deserving of it. Rory is my guy, but he’s being delusional in this matter saying Messi isn’t deserving of it. Big up to Buvey, the city fan, for being unbiased. I could totally see the Rodri argument. As important if not more important to City than Haaland
World cup is the biggest trophy
And argentina didn't have the top squad not even top3 world cup team, but messi carried them, so i think it should be him
A treble is actually a rarer achievement than a World Cup. Someone always has to win the world cup, every 4 years.
But there could hypothetically not ever be another European treble winner.
@@TP-pq9xx Name one big cup game where Haaland has put in a world beating performance on the way to this treble
You have to think, if Haaland doesn't win it, literally what more can he do... individually he was amazing, and trophy wise you can't do much better than a treble. So if he loses because of Messi's 1 month (He was forgettable for PSG) then it's just a joke.
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Facts, these people are insane
kmt, fucking nonsense. all in his debut season, broke so many records lmao. dude was damn near breaking records every time he played at one point. he's the clear winner through and through.
Because of 1 month 😂
Forgettable thanks for proving you don’t know football. Most times he was better then mpabbe
The reason Solskjaers champ league final goal is talked about more than rodris, is he did it against one of the great bayern munich teams, whereas rodri did it against a bang average inter milan team. To add to that Uniteds treble was done at a time when european football was at a very tall high point and we had one of the premier leagues great arsenal teams. Man city won their treble against below average european teams and a premier league that was also well below it's usual level.
The Ballon d'or is about INDIVIDUAL greatness and no one this year has done it more than Messi, Without messi there is no world cup for Argentina, without him Mbappe and psg are lesser and without messi Miami would be struggling, Haaland has plenty goals but i don't city needing him for success like what Messi does, I despise the arguement that Haaland won a treble and messi won a world cup, its not about that its about who done better over the year and for me it Lionel Messi.
World cup is more valuable because:
- Its harder to win
- It comes round every 4 years instead of 1
In every single year since beginning of football Messi wins the balon d’or but Haaland winning a treble, breaking Premier League record etc. means he almost has to win as it is a yearly award and Messi had a very average year at PSG
why r u acting like messi single handedly won the world cup lol
@@jaforgahmessi heavy carried that Argentina team
@@domL2507bruh Messi wasn’t even better than mbappe over the entire period forget haaland. Mbappe carried that france side.
@@AddhyanY Mbappe carried France in the final but got pocketed against Morroco in the Semifinals and pocketed by England in the quarterfinals whereas Messi carried Argentina al the way through the tournament
'Messi had a very average year at PSG', has a better G/A average than Haaland. Messi's unusual standards makes people think he had an average season last year. If he doesnt score 60+ goals a season, 30+ assist, and wins CL, La Liga and Copa del Rey, then its a bad season for Messi.
certainly agree with buvey here...messi first and rodri over haaland because football is a team game and it's high time people like rodri received recognition for the dirty work..rodri is such a underrated and savvy footballer....haaland will win everything for the next decade...certainly no damage will be done to his development for him to share the podium and see the GOAT win it again..and harry kane in my eyes is the most professional and nicest guy in elite football...and can't stand mbappe either....for me thiery henry was a better footballer than mbappe...i don't think mbappe will be ever as good as henry with all the drama around him....and hate to say it but rori is being daft here...sadly nothing new about it....
“see the goat win it again” lmfao the sentimentality is crazy, you literally proved rori right 🤣🤣
@@ProskiPlays I don’t think it’s crazy sentimentality..the guy has provided me with quality entertainment football consistently for the past 15 years…never seen before in football…at least not for that long(>15 years)..it’s only fair I would like to see him rewarded…when u reward quality u ensure more quality in the future generations
@@akashgooner4892 “Im not basing my opinion on sentimentality! I just love Messi so much and it would be amazing for my GOAT to win one last B D’or to inspire the future!” Bro you are what’s wrong with football and these awards, always bringing your emotions into it. Goals wins games, and Haaland scored them at a staggering rate in the hardest club competitions in the world. Messi being good for 4 weeks doesn’t convince me
@@ProskiPlaysoh yes I am what’s wrong with football..😂 and yes I am going to wrong football for many more years..glad we could straighten that out..
@@akashgooner4892 crazy how you cant formulate an argument
There’s already a trophy for Haaland. It’s called golden boot. But you cannot say that Haaland is a better PLAYER than Messi..
Haaland would’ve had a better argument if he would’ve scored in some of the finals he played.
Or if he dragged Man City through really a handful of games, like scored a few big late game winning goals or stuff. He essentially coasted through the season racking up goals in some games and then being anonymous in others and as you said all the big games he never touched the ball really.
Never Balon D'or winning stuff.
Haaland on his own is very mid I'd honestly put Mbappe and Bellingham in the same category as Messi because like Messi Bellingham and Mbappe are able to carry the responsibility of the whole team on their backs Haaland can't do that he's very co dependent on other people to score
Messi will win it stop acting like its even up for debate.
What about Julián Álvarez …. World Cup winner and treble with Man City
Bench player and quite average tbh, its not an award for most successful, it's stand out performances and being great as an individual.
Rory you don’t know ball, Haaland is the top scorer and there is an award for that, the golden boot. The best players in city last season were
Rodri
KDB
Haaland
He was not even the best player of his own team how can you say that he is the best player in the world? Haaland completed three passes in the CL final, he didn’t score or assist in 8 semi+ finals. on the other hand Messi had a campaign that will be remembered forever, he won the golden ball which is usually the representation of who wins the ballon d’or. Messi will win and it will be deserved.
Walker, Rodri, KDB, Bernardo and Gundogan were City's 5 best players last season. Bernardo carried them early in the season, De Bruyne in the middle and Gundogan at the end and Walker and Rodri were consistent in big games across the season. After that Stones had a great end to the season, Dias, Grealish and Haaland were good.
“My mums retired, she’s got nothing to talk about at work so she talks about eastenders”
Did no one else pick up on this howler? Mums retired and at work 😂
Rare Rory W, rare Buvey L
1998 Zidane wins the ballon d'or, 2002 Ronaldo wins the ballon d'or, 2006 Cannavaro wins the ballon d'or, all because of the world cup while doing nothing in their club sides. Messi was by far the best palyer of his team in every single game he played in the world cup . A player who touches the ball 5 times per game should never win the ballon d'or, i would prefer De Bruyne over Haaland.
I dont know what happened to football tbh🤣🤣 How can Haaland be the best footballer in the planet? Is it a joke or something?
This is bullshit lol. The best player against Croatia was Julian Alvarez. The best player in the final was Emi Martinez.
Cannavaro should never have won it in 2006, Ronaldinho was scintilating still at that time and was clearly still the best in the World. I feel like Ronaldinho should have won 5 in a row from like 2003-2007, maybe Kaka one year was it 2007 AC Milan won the CL.
@@celticbarry9877 I can clearly tell that you a Ronaldinho fan..that dude was never in a position to win even 2 Balon Dors..he was never a serious player..tricks tricks with outcome that cannot help a team..R9 was not supposed to be the main guy in 06 WC but still Dinho could not step up and take the lead. Even that 05/06 was still debatable...
Buvey wants Messi to win it purely because of his hate for Ronaldo I swear 😂. There is literally no other way u can justify a Man City fan saying that Messi deserves the Ballon d'or over Haaland 😂
What? Ronaldo is nowhere near the Ballon d'or this year and never will be again and Messi already have more than him. He wants the better fotballer to win it simple as.
Football is alot more than just scoring goals if you didnt know.
Only people that are stupid enough to make a comment like this, are the same people that think Ronaldo is a better fotballer than Lionel Messi
Not everything is about Ronaldo son! Dude has been rotting in Saudi for over a year now. He's old news!
@@plm6523 I didn't say any of what u just said bro. I never said Ronaldo was competing for ballon d'o. Use ur eyes
Absolutely insane
@@plm6523 literally an illiterate messi fan saying This
As a huge messi fan i cant disagree with Halaand winning it but it also wouldn't be a disgrace if messi wins it. Its just a world cup year so that takes into huge consideration but Halaand forsure wins it
Rory doesn’t appreciate messi clearly.
He's English I don't expect him to 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 naturally he's going to be biased towards English and EPL players but irregardless of what he says or thinks Messi most likely getting the Ballon Dor this year and he deserves it respect the King 👑
Iniesta was incredible in Spain’s World Cup triumph in 2010. He was really important for Barca that year too. He scored the winning goal for Spain as well.
But he didn’t win the Balon d’Or because it was doubled down as an award for outstanding individual performance.
If they have using this logic, why not award Haaland? Whom won the EPL, UCL and FA Cup as well. He got the individual performance to back it up and won it all at club level. Messi in 2010 didn’t win the UCL. He scored lots of goals and then he got the award.
I respect Messi, I’m not into the whole CR7 vs Messi thing. I find the fans super annoying. But why move the goal post just for Messi?
It’s mostly just the messi fanboys who want him to win it, I assume mostly everyone else think Haaland deserves it
take away the goals, as that’s what golden boots are awarded for, what are Haaland’s ‘outstanding’ individual performances?
watch Messi in games from 2010 and Haaland from 2023 and try saying with a straight face they’re even remotely comparable. They’re not. Messi in 2010 not only scored the goals, he dribbled or passed through teams to create them, producing some of the most mesmerising performances ever. I can’t think of one game where Haaland has been mesmerising - even the CL game where he scored 5, he didn’t contribute other than the goals
Mate, don't compare same situation on different people. That 2008-13 messi was a mental case, not of all his later bullshit of pass the ball to his teammates, create for them. He was a army in himself mate. When ever he touched the ball it was a given he will going to go direct to the opposition goal, harass 4-5 players & either score or assist them or get fouled with leg breakers. He was halland(g), debryne(a), cruyff(playmaking), maradona (dribbling) all thing combined to form a human body moving tank. That 2008-13 messi is human peak only comparable to pele , don't question it because then you have to question everything because every other level is way below 8-13 messi & 14/15, 18-19
Even if you judge them individually, is haaland better? He scored 52 goals and had 9 assists. Messi scored 38 goals and had 25 assists. Also individually Messi, even at this age, is better than haaland. He can beat a man, although not as frequently as before and much much better at creating chances for his teammates, while haaland is dependent on his teammates creating chances for him
Haaland went missing in all the big games and finals for city last season and Messi stepped up on the biggest stage and dragged his team to the World Cup final and then showed up in the final and won it while having the same goal contributions as haaland.
Messi doesn't have the same goal contributions as Haaland. And he also let his team down in the Champions League.
@@TP-pq9xx they both have 62 goal contributions
@@ArcticRob That's false. Messi had 53 g/a and Haaland had 65.
@@TP-pq9xx haaland's performance in last champions league was not even better than kdb or rodri. but messi was absolutely the best player in the world cup
@@rodo243 Haaland was the top scorer in the champions league. I’m sure Messi will win the award but he doesn’t deserve it just off a few games of low level football. Haaland was the best player in Europe by a huge distance. About a third of Messi’s goal contributions came in friendly games and all of Haaland’s came in real games.
I agree with buvey, I would have given Rodri Uefa player of the year.
Rory clearly doesn’t understand the factors that went into the ballon d’or. The dates were changed to incorporate the World Cup into whoever wins the ballon d’or. So the people running the ballon d’or decided the World Cup matters. How difficult is this to understand?
Thanks for reminding me on why not to take you seriously Rory.
Precisely the category changed which is why majority of us agree Messi will get the Ballon Dor this year mind you Haaland fans will throw a temper tantrum saying otherwise but it's not up to them
Where from this narrative that Messi doesn’t have numbers .. he literally had more G\A than Haaland
In a far worse League. Haaland also broke a league scoring record during a treble. As a 22 year old so…
@@kaidiya2403 "in a far worse league" PSG weren't even the reigning champions when he joined! lol. Haaland joined a team that had won 2 consecutive and 4 of the last 5. PSG lost 8 league games the year before Messi joined, City lost 3... The team you're actually playing on is more important than the league. Even Buvey thinks he could score 10 goals up front for City lol
@@kaidiya2403 is there a far worse league than EPL? We all know the winner before it starts. Before Haaland joined City, City had won EPL without a striker. Dude just walked in to stat-pad
Messi literally had 12 less g/a than Haaland. 53 to 65.
@@onetwo8847 just shows how far apart the quality is when the billionaire club can’t even win, it doesn’t show the quality or the competitiveness of the league, just that psg aren’t as good despite having spent billions.
Here are the stats between Messi and Haaland for last season:
Goals + Assists (in all competitions):
Haaland - 53 + 9 = 62
Messi - 37 + 25 = 62
Trophies:
Haaland - Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup
Messi - Fifa World Cup, French Ligue 1, French Super Cup
I think considering both the stats and the trophies, Messi has to win it. Man City have an outstanding team and were odds on favourite for winning the Champions League and prem. Messi was the star performer in the World Cup, which comes around once every 4 years, and the Ballon D'or has a history of favoring World Cup performances. Just look at 2018 when Messi won the European Golden Shoe (most goals in Europe!) and finished 5th while Modric won the Ballon D'or. I am not saying it is the same situation and although Haaland and Messi both deserve it, I think it will go to Messi. I don't think Messi deserves all the hate if he does win it as he has very impressive stats for the entirety of last season (equal goal contributions with Haaland), not just in the World Cup.
Those French titles are worthless
Comparing Ligue 1 to the Prem is HILARIOUS
You stats are wrong. Haaland last season had 4 g/a for Norway, 61 g/a for City. That's 65 g/a total.
Messi had 41 g/a for PSG, 8 g/a for Argentina., 4 for Inter Miami. That's 53 g/a total.
So no one from the french league who hasn't won the Champions League can never win the Ballon d'Or? Even if they win the World Cup? I think they are both deserving based on their stats and trophies so I don't mind but if Messi does win, I am saying he shouldn't get the hate.
@TP-pq9xx I can already tell your stats are wrong since Messi alone had 7 goals and 3 assists for Argentina in the World Cup. Where do you get your stats from? Mine are from Transfermarket. You can also watch this video: czcams.com/video/TZmb_ikuP3I/video.html
Fully agree with the rhodri shout
Following from Rory's comments, I decided to run the calcs because I apparently have no life.
If you take all of Kane's goals and assists out of the prem games last season (and for those that argue his goals would have been replaced, just remember that they have Richarlison up front), Spurs get 33 points and would have placed 18th.
This means that the Leeds game at the end would have still been 2-1 but somehow a 6 pointer for both teams.
As a Leicester fan, this deeply upsets me
Richarlison would have scored at least a few goals if he was starting every week for Spurs. Lol.
Great work mate. I appreciate this from you
If we're basing ballon of who scored the most goals then Suarez lewandowksi and Kane should have one too, haaland is a good goalscorer but it was the team effort, Argentina ain't shit without messsi
Every single other starter in that Argentina squad is capable of playing for a champions league club. Or already does.
Trying to paint Argentina as a miracle underdog is honestly hilarious.
@@TP-pq9xx before the wc where were most of the team?
@@scottyone1146 Except for Enzo they were all playing in top leagues already. What’s your point?
@@TP-pq9xx England , Spain , Portugal , France , Brazil had better players but Argentina had the difference maker , the GOAT.
@@draza9000 All of those teams have weaknesses.
Rabiot and Giroud aren't world class.
Pickford Henderson and Maguire aren't world class.
Richarlison and Danilo aren't world class.
Most of the Spain team isn't world class.
Most of the Portugal team isn't world class.
we’ve never seen a carry job of the world cup like what Messi did, he also has the most goal contributions (56) in Europe. maybe it’s just my personal opinion but it kills me inside seeing Haaland being considered the best player in the world because he’s a world class goal poacher.
Ah yes, as if Emi Martinez, De Paul, McAllister, Enzo, Alvarez and Di Maria all sat around doing nothing. Messi was Argentina's best player but let's not pretend like he carried them. They're a great team with lots of quality players who all contributed to the world cup win.
D riding at its finest lmao messi didn't carry Argentina the slightest, scoring unlimited pens isnt carrying
@@areebsiddiqui758 oh really? if this is true then Haaland should not even be a contender🤣🤣Dude joined a back to back EPL winner. City even won EPL without a striker. Then he went missing in all "do or die" games..so what really was he signed for?
@@user-uk4ky1ks2s tell me about it🤣🤣
Lost to Saudi Arabia..Argentina was going home against Mexico..who turned up? Argentina vs Poland, who was the standout player? Argentina vs Netherlands, who was the standout? Croatia and France..
The last time a guy showed up in a WC likeMessi 2022 was Maradona 1986..
Your stats aren't correct unfortunately.
Haaland had 61 goal contributions last season for City (that's more than 56).
Messi had 41 goal contributions for PSG last season.
agree with rory about haaland being the obvious winner to me, but his shouts got worse and worse as the video went on. not having messi at all on your list is crazy to say. and then putting kane in his top 3, for what 💀 spurs finished 8th lmao.
for once in my life i agree every word what this man city fan has said. 💯 bang on about messi and why he should win it even though his a city fan.
Messi obviously
haahahahahahahahaagahahahahahahaha
If the Ballon d'Or was based on stats.. No question..
But.. It's about who is the best footballer! If Lewa doesn't win it, for boshing in goals left right and centre.. Then Haaland doesn't deserve it.
It has to be Messi.. Winning that WC and adding the golden horns to what was already the goatiest goat of all goat.
Lewandowski was a much better allround footballer than Haaland also and a consistent big game player.
Rory overcompensating because he was so wrong about Halaand
The ballon d’or has changed from an annual thing to a seasonal thing
If it’s based on 22-23 messi should win it
Messi is definitely going to win the Ballon Dor this year and Haaland fans will definitely throw a temper tantrum when that happens 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 but it's not up to them
I hate this 'but he won this!' Argument. By that definition, Julian Alvarez should win the Ballon d'or, for winning both a world cup and the treble with City. The Ballon d'or is an individual prize about who played the best.
All this talk about just giving it to Messi again because of the world cup is mind boggling to me. He's playing in the US ffs.
To be fair he played there for like 2 months. He played in the CL and French League most of the time.
For me Messi clearly has to win it, he had massive game winning performances in the biggest games of the year while still showing that he is the most skill player to kick a ball even now. Not just that but was consistent the whole year also, still scored and created goals for fun all season, and probably displayed the best quality on a football park across the year simple as theres just nobody near him for passing and dribbling and even still goal scoring from midfield.
Not just that but theres no real compeititon to him, nobody else done anything close. Haaland scored goals but he's not even one of Man City's best players, Man City's best players none were outstanding. Kyle Walker probably had some of Man City's best moments in big games and big performances but he's not the best in the world.
its a popularity contest, so it will be lionel messi
Question....world cup was in 2022 why it should matter because This is ballon dor for the year 2023
@@Daniel_ss4I think it goes from October to October
Because they are evaluating over the season, not the calendar year. With the world cup being in November/December last year, how would they factor it in for last year's Ballon D'or?
@@RyKe9didn’t they say it’s from 19th December 2022 to august 2023 I saw that somewhere but don’t remember where
haaland 56 goals 10 assists 66 g/a
messi 41 goals 26 assists 77 g/a
Messi wins it
messi has never struggled against big opposition, the only time he struggles is if he gets fouled consistently and even then he finds a way out
Except he doesn't always find a way out. That's not even close to a fact.
@@lau3503 brudda have u not seen the multiple videos of him getting fouled and just carrying on, go watch a vid of him against real madrid he’d get fouled every 5 mins but still come out with the ball
@@timmy5876 I'm not disputing that. But you're suggesting he finds a way out consistently. He has the ability to, yes. A lot of the time. But not always.
@@timmy5876yes…. In 15/16 or whatever, not right now tho
Haaland winning ballon d'or will be odd for me, cause it doesn't really make sense, yeh he is the top scorer of his team but not the best player of his team, his impacts in games that matters aren't as big as others such as Alvarez, kevin rodri etc. And once kdb is out he finds it hard to score
Take Messi from PSG and Argentina, they win nothing.
Take Haaland from Manchester City, they still win trophies.
There’s your answer.
As a city fan I believe that Haaland should get it over Messi. Messi is the goat but if we are giving it to him because of his career and a World Cup trophy? Then I think it would be unfair since Haaland probably never will get one because he represent Norway which is not that likely to get World Cup gold ever.
I do agree with the points regarding Rodri though, I said throughout last season that the most important player in that squad is Rodri. And with the service from KDB I still think we would have close to the same amount of goals, without Haaland, but divided across more players.
Well you right there, Haaland is like Lewandowski. He will have to have excellent year, not like this one. Scoring against some English peasants does not count. If he scored decisive goals in champions league final , semi final, got Norway to world cup and manage to get out of group stage than he would be considered. Scoring a lot of goals when you have Rodri, Gundogan, De Bruyne passing you ball is not achievment , it is a must....
That is what has happened in the past
Not turning up in finals let him down
@@scaleyone3572name one attacker that showed up in either the FA cup or UCL final then. People act like every city attacker was elite and then haaland just ghosted. Literally no attacker on either team in either final played well, this isn’t some haaland exclusive thing
I still think that he places higher than Messi for me, because only delivering in a World Cup should not result in a Ballon d'Or. Then only players from great football nations will get it. @@lukaszmalinowski8675
Kane makes top 3 and Messi shouldn't even be on the list according to Rory. He has to be doing it for the clips, surely
Messi is winning it 100%
Isn't elite sport/performance supposed to be about being able to deliver when it matters? World Cup happens every 4 years and is the most prestigious trophy any footballer can ever win. It's just 7 games? yeah the 7 most important games in the life of any footballer, and Messi performed to the highest level and was, by far, the biggest reason why Argentina won the WC. I don't know why people try to downplay that at all. You can't. Haaland won the treble, fantastic,but the World Cup is above it for sure.
There have been lesser trebles on the history of the game then worldcups...
@@TriquetraDs I don't see how that has anything to do with what I said. Messi had a monstrous performance on the most prestigious tournament there is in football. City won the Treble with Halaand disappearing on many big games. There's a difference, treble or not
You're downplaying Haaland's season by saying he only won a treble.
Haaland
-won the treble
-broke the PL season goals record
-led all PL strikers in assists
-most goals in the CL
-most g/a in the CL
-most g/a of any player in a top 5 league
-European Golden Boot
-PL Player of the Season
-Man City Player of the Season
@@TP-pq9xx Never downplayed anything, all I'm saying is what Messi did outshines what Haaland won, treble included.
Haaland must win
Lawrence ‘what world are we living in?’ Bury
Rory is wrong because he is basing his argument on EPL vs the WC n other leagues messi has played Haaland was even the best player at city...haaland feeds off of other players brilliance
Messi won the WC in 2022. It's the 2023 Ballon d'Or. Plus, Messi won it for the Copa America win which isn't the thought competition back in 2021/22. Also, why didn't a 19yr old Mbappe win it in 2018 WC win instead of Modric?
This Messi over obsession is in a way that is so foolish, unreasonable, or out of place as to be amusing. He had his time! It's over.
About 4-5 months ago, this was discussed and Buvey said if City wins treble, haaland would win it but now he still is stuck with Messi which means it was all about the romanticism for him and nothing haaland do would change it.
Football is romantic who cares
@@RenewedRS sure you can be romantic but someone else who deserves isnt gonna get his props. Thats all
Haaland scored an amazing amount of goals but he can never be the best player on the planet for me because he’s so one dimensional. He can’t create anything himself. Not once has he wowed me with a goal or a performance in a big game like the previous Ballon D’or winners have
if the ballon dor is for individual performances kyllian mbappe wins. hattrick in the wc final. 2 insane goals against Poland. In 2022-23: 55 goals, 14 assists.
@@RonnieColeman-ti7gy tell that to di maria, mac allister, enzo, and last but not least emi martinez
@@RonnieColeman-ti7gy nah argentina way more cracked mbappe is a one team in france
Harry Kane carried Tottenham to 9th! Great effort
The ballon dor winner just isn't haaland. It's Messi. Whoever watches haaland with his first touch being heavier than the bags under rorys eyes, not being able to make 10 yard 15 yard passes, and still thinks haaland deserves a ballon dor doesn't understand football.
Haaland led all strikers in the Prem in assists and also broke the goals record. You might need to find a new sport to follow since you don't understand this one.
Haaland is arguably not even one of Man City's top 5 players.
I'd bet if they had to leave out 1 of Dias, Walker, Rodri, De Bruyne, Bernardo or Haaland in for example a one off match they'd leave out Haaland because as long as those other players are playing they are a better team.
Buvey knows ball😎
If Kolo Muani scores that last minute chance in the WC final would we all be saying Mbappe deserves the Balon d'or? No! Haaland has had a better season the Messi imo, even though Messi winning the WC is a great moment but just isnt as good as a treble is it
Mbappe would have won the ballon dor had they won the world cup final..
Performing at The World Cup for your country in-front of the global stage is a different level of performance. Ballon’dor about player who won so the main player for Argentina or Man City player
So embarrassing if Messi wins it’s disgraceful poor in ligue 1 scored more pens than open play goals in world cup why didn’t varane win the ballon dor in 2018 won word cup champions league
Messi isn't haaland... he offers teams more than just goals mate. Messi was slotting no look through balls past Netherlands' entire midfield/defence and putting Gvardiol on a spin cycle to set up teammates in the biggest matches in world football. While Haaland had 5 goalless games in City's 5 biggest
Cause Messi completely carried a fairly average Argentina side who is equivalent to Denmark in terms of squad. Also people say he was poor in ligue 1 but had 32 g/a in a absolutely dysfunctional club in psg. Also there is an award for best goal scorer it’s called the golden boot and Haaland won it. Ballan dor is about who is the best footballer and there will never be a time, now and in the future where Haaland will ever be the best footballer in the world, goalscorer yes. The game runs thru Messi even at 36 won the greatest trophy u can win in all of sports
Maybe the day you understand that once "a European top 5 always a European top 5" then you'll get the point. People hyping EPL that is literally more competitive at the bottom than at the top🤣🤣The same CITY has won EPL 5 of the last 6 and also cruisng to a 6th one this season🤣 Maybe EPL teams should focus on the "farming" going on domestically. Talking of 2018, Modric won instead of Varane.because he was outstanding for Madrid and carried an udnerdog to the final. What will be embarassing and insulting to football fraternity is giving the best footballer award to a player who finishes games with 15 touches and has worse first touch than Lukaku and even worse ghosts in all big games and joyrides in a team that doesnt even need him.
I’m sorry dude what are you saying? Yeah he didn’t score much on a team with M’Bappe and Neymar? Instead he scored 2 and a penalty in a World Cup final.