AliExpress X99 in a System76 Nebula 36
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System76's Thelio lineup of Workstations have always had an air of luxury around them. Whether it was the wood inlay, the space-inspired cutouts and fan grills, or the industrial-style internal frame, I've always wanted one.
Now with the Nebula, you can build your own... but is the Nebula the case you've been looking for?
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0:00 - Intro and Cat Ear Jeff
2:10 - Which Parts For This Build?
7:02 - BUILD MONTAGE!
9:08 - Nebula 36 Case Review
11:52 - Cooling Options and Performance
14:47 - Overall Impressions + Wrapup - Věda a technologie
love that the majority of the comments are about the x99 motherboard platform versus the case
I like that you never give up on the promise of X99 :)
I would like to see more explorations of systems that accept legacy industrial CPUs / parts - especially if small form factor servers
X99 V1 V2 and V3 has never lost it's promise the processors has and will always be the best value you could get for your money the only issue is that the Motherboards are expensive as fudge unless your willing to cough up the money or buy a cheaper Chinese knock off with all the risks that comes with it this is tinkerers toy and not meant for general users.
Time to move on then and get a Lenovo P520c motherboard with LGA 2066. Start with a Xeon W-2135 (basically an i7 8700). I paid less than $50 for the board and $25 for the processor. BIOS updates claim Sapphire Rapids support.
@@milescarter7803 those OEM 2066 and X99 boards are just as bad or even worse than a chinese knock off in some instances and would often have bad VRM temps so unless the prices of good MOBO's like ones from ASUS, GIGABYTE, MSI, or ASROCK for 2066 is good it's not gonna be any better than X99.
Built my first server with the 22 Core Xeon and a Machinist X99 Mainboard some time ago - still rocks without even a single issue. Well, finding the option to Autostart after AC Power Loss in BIOS took a while, besides that just perfect.
Yes I do get the urges to build often.This build looks fantastic! Thanks for the motivation... Awesome job on the video as well
if you are in the UK and are looking for used workstation/server hardware for things like chips and memory especially bargain hardware is an amazing place. That's where I got my 22 core xeon and 128GB DDR4 ECC
I'm surprised at the lack of material quality in that thing. IF it harkens back to the good old days in the early 2000's it should at least take some queues from Lian Li or somebody that was actually putting thought in to materials and their thickness back then.
I'm completely addicted to xeon builds and this video scratched an itch that needed to be scratched. I'm always looking some reason to build a xeon build for someone.
That indeed is a lovely case Jeff. Looks great on the desk.
My current case is a Spartex Osmi 3.1 (ITX) that cost $199 and while it was a pain to build in the quality far surpasses what you've experienced with the Nebula. This thing is solid as a brick and all the vents are on the back, top, and bottom, keeping them out of view.
ah yes the X-99 builds!
I knew it was just a matter of time :D
That motherboard looks brilliant. it looks even better than any X99 board that was released from the major vendors when X99 was new, i know, i had a X99 platform back when it first came out :) might have to get one of those boards for my Xeon 1650V4
I missed these types of videos. I don't have space for any more builds, so I have to live vicariously through you. lol
Dammit Jeff... there goes the Fractal North, System 76 it is!!!!! That looks soooo flippin nice!!!!
X99 is a underrated platform for diy home servers. I run a 2x 2699 v3 with 96gb ram (I am waiting to get another 32gb kit) love me a good core count
what mobo?
a chinese x99 @@geort45
I am actually more hyped for Christmas than my son. And he is getting a new rig. Though I get to build it. So double Christmas present.
Funnily enough, I was looking at this exact board about a week ago for one of my projects, and I tought about contacting you as I was sure you would be interested to try it out
when my current xeon based system gives out i might go for a chinese x99 mb as well :)
and that music during the build is nice
The case looks like it would be a nice match for the small server you just built. I think we need to see a group shot 😁
These Chinese MB's are so nice to be honest, planning to buy one someday. Thanks for these videos 👍
What about good documentation, block diagrams and future support and bios fixes?
no they're not. it's always a gamble
Interesting stuff. Thank you
Oh that is a sexy case!
...Ok, that wiggle wobble seems a bit meh for the price. The wood accent is niiice but without a premium feel, it's no longer tempting.
Ole, ole, ya estaba impaciente por ver otro vídeo de éstos 😛
Yeah, I was craving for yet another one of these builds!!!
Now, we'll have to wait for the 2nd and/or 3rd part of this video, seeing you making linux fly. And, confess your 128gb memory reason: Proxmox is the next thing after linux install 😛
Intel ARC passthrough... (Can you split that card into different VMs, like nVidia, I wonder??)
I do love your shenanigans, man 😛
very classy chassis
Nice work on the vid! I'm somewhat limited on my power budget. It would be helpful to include the total power usage in standby, idle, average and redline states. 😎
Great video Jeff, I love system 76 and POP OS is a pretty good OS, not my favorite Linux distro but it is a good one, and a very nice case!
8:06 HOLY mother of chassis flexes !
Unfortunate about the build issues, but big marks for unique & minimalist design if that is your thing. I am really enjoying these builds with Xeon power and modern aesthetics & features. I kinda wish I had an 2687w part... but they are almost always a sweet spot for performance and an expensive spot for price.
I had an older RX580 then about 6 months ago i got an ASRock 6700 XT ChallengerD 12GB. I LOVE IT! It should be a super nice workstation with that CPU and GPU.
Yes! X99 is back 🙂
X99 never left 🤣
That motherboard looks a lot like the Machinist-branded unit that I picked up to replace the increasingly unreliable system board in my Z440 -- basically swapped the case, cooler, and power supply (since those were all HP proprietary) and haven't looked back since. Only real issue with mine was that for some bizarre reason the internal USB2 header seems to conflict with the M.2 slot intended for wifi. Hardly the end of the world -- this is not a system hurting for ports, especially with a 3.0 hub or two, and the M.2 card supports bluetooth besides -- but something that I was taken aback by due to no documentation of this.
Having a case which looks like a speaker seems like an easy way to get a HA kubernetes cluster into the living room without the wife noticing...
Thanks for the cool video. Did I miss the part where you tested your video editing and gaming on it? I would like to move away from Windows but every Linux machine I try does not hold up for gaming.
Single socket X99 workstation --> 2696v3 it's basically a much higher clocking version of the 2699. With just a slight bus oc it'll boost two cores to 4GHz and clocks the other cores down in much finer steps. Not to mention there's always the v3 Xeon all-core boost hack - 18 cores at 3.8GHz is serious compute power for an old X99 system.
If Single socket, then the 1680v3 It is unlocked and easily clocks up tp 4.5..46GHz
@@gyulamasa6512 That's an 8-core chip vs. the 2696's 18. You really think those extra 500MHz on two of the cores will compensate for that? If you want high single threaded performance, old Xeons on X99 are a waste of time and money. Every cheapo I3 will blow a Haswell Xeon out of the water in that discipline. If you go Haswell or Broadwell on X99 then that's because you need those 40 PCIE lanes and can make use of high core counts ... otherwise a low budget gaming platform would be a smarter investment.
I'm looking at 2650L v3 / 2650 L v4 as options. for the same,
@@Nalianna never been a fan of the V4's. You get two or three percent higher IPC and two additional cores for roughly the same TDP, which is nice o.c., but you loose the V3's overclockablility, which in my opinion is what saves old 612/X99 workstation and server hardware from the trip to the landfill. 2690v3s are a good compromise (12C 3.5GHz) if you're worried about powerdraw or VRM capability, otherwise I'd just go all out with a 2699 or 2696v3 considering how cheap they are at this point
@@protator I'm not looking to overclock, just want it to be cheap. Building a NAS / pihole / Jellyfin... kind of thing.
... and in the past 10 mins, i found a new cpu for 8 bucks... 2650L v3. weird how life works :)
I literally just bought the same cpu but the v3 model!
Only because it technically has a slightly higher clock speed but with 12 cores 24 threads. They are amazing chips. I was considering getting a 2689v4 or a 2679v4 but they are still pretty pricey.
I have a 1680v3 coming in the mail any day now that i can overclock to my hearts content!
I had both v3 and v4 xeons and much prefer the latter for any kind of server application. Better ipc and efficiency takes the kake.
But for gaming the famous turbo boost hack makes the v3 ones pretty compelling, specially the higher boost ones reaching 3.6ghz or so, like the e5 2640 v3 at 3.4ghz is really good for the price being similar in ipc to zen1 chips
How does that motherboard handle IOMMU? Was thinking this might be a very cheap platform for a multigamer build using VFIO and GPU passthrough and usb passthrough would be kind of awesome on a budget.
As someone who has recently done the can I totally move to Linux thing the answer was no but a mini pc with windows on it takes care of that. Prefer that to dual booting or a windows vm. Milage will vary depending on what you do of course but I've been fine with pop os so far.
BTW Go Lions, are you originally from Michigan?
Not from Michigan, just a depressed fan of Barry Sanders and Joey Harrington that stuck around 🤣
@@CraftComputing cool seen you with a few hats been following since sanders was playing
I get itchy when I haven't been in the shell in a while. I will open a terminal and type "ls -al" just to see the text on the screen. Sometimes I just start btop and leave it open like a digital fireplace.
I'm using a case from the Alienware Area-51 R2, and its build quality is faultless. If I had one complaint, it would be that it's too heavy. They just don't make cases like those anymore.
BTW, the Xeon E5-2689 v4 is great, if you can find one at a good price. It's basically an undervolted and overclocked i7-6950X.
@craftcomputing I love your x99 reviews and have been following them for years. I would love if you would do a review of the Jingsha X99E Max motherboard. It is an x99 quad channel motherboard but it takes ddr3 ECC up to 256gb! Would love to know what the comparison is between quad channel DDR4 and quad channel DDR3 is on x99. The x99e only supports several cpus but it does support the e5-2696 v3
I just bought that same cpu and 64gb of ECC. I put it on an ASUS X99-M WS mobo. It runs cool and quiet at 3.0+ ghz all cores all day if needed. Your GPU is a better choice, but I am running a Titan Xp in mine. Now I just need to figure out what to do with it all.
Not sure if he still does but i know Lawrence Systems used to edit all his videos with Kdenlive. I have it here on my computer running Manjaro (an HP Z840 dual CPU workstation) and it works great!
Yes, @lawrencesystems uses Kdenlive and Resolve. I'm not sure which distro @LearnLinuxTV is on right now, but Jay also edits in Resolve on Linux.
@@CraftComputingwill you try open suse micro os desktop/ tumbleweed?
i consider them the most stable distro around,especially for a rolling like tw and i've daily drive micro for some basic stuff:darktable,freecad,kicad,stam,lutris....it worked really well ,never a problem,it's immutable after all.
Immutable distros might be the best choice for creators because of stability.
JEFF!!!!!! Have you tried/reviewed Dragon's Milk Stout? Im not big on stouts but its my buddies favorite. I think you might appreciate it.
Nice Lion's hat visiting Michigan anytime soon lol?
I second that CPU Cooler I have a dual x399 with 2 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v4 and two of those coolers with 4 fans keeps not only the cpus but also the internals cool.
For people who _don't_ own a drill press, would the side fan mount work with bq's Lightwing fans?
Great Video. Love the look of the case but the price and the build quality you pointed out is definitely disappointing. Thanks for the video. I noticed a slight type on the screen where you list the CPU. You have it listed as E6 instead of E5 ...no biggie as you even said E5 but just thought i would point it out incase its an easy correction.
What’s the track called during the build montage? That’s some sick bass tone
Track is linked into he description
I always wanted to do a older Xeon build with a Chinese mobo. With the price to performance of newer CPUs and such, and getting them much faster than through Aliexpress it's hard for me invest the money doing so. That case is really neat, even with it's short comings. The price should be a bit lower to be honest.
This year I already built 4 of them... This year is really good for this hobby since CPUs, RAM and MoBos are all got reallly cheap recently.
How did you know I was gonna build an x99? Finally got a Xeon 2696 v3. Just wanted to finally build a Xeon.
17:30. What case is that? Nzxt?
The annoying thing about these boards is that the VRM cooling fans tend to crap out after 6 months. Besides that, my Huananzhi X99-TF has been running solid for the past 3 years. I use to have an E5-2678v3 as the processor, but I down-scaled to the E5-2623v3. I didn't need 12 cores for what I was doing; running a file server with a few dockers in UnRAID.
No beer sidekick review for this build?
Will very much love to see the A750 in this as its below the spec intel recommends.
love system76s cases..but why the hell is it $300? that's actually ridiculous
Could benefit from extra B-role shots while talking of the IO notes at 9:51 and in general. Great Build !!
love me some X99, such a versatile platform.
also i never understood putting fake wood on computers or cars or anything really, seems silly to want a wood look on something that is definitely not at all made of wood.
what a shame I was interested in this case but that build quality worries me. Can you review their keyboards?
I still have 2 Gigabyte X99 motherboards kicking around... I might build a similar box...
The case look great but it is indeed a bit pricey for what it offers…
That being said, looking forward to your adventures switching to System 76 for work. I am especially curious about your AMD GPU with DaVinci Resolve (things might have improved since, but the compatibility between Resolve and AMD GPUs was… lackluster, shall we say. I personally had to switch to Nvidia to be able to use Resolve on Linux)
Doesn’t the pcie v3 impact performance? Is there a motherboard with v4 or 5 for a Xeon cpu that doesn’t break the bank. Don’t like that case….
Expensive looks with decent but cheap old parts on the inside. It's like a Jaguar X-Type.
do the ime's sound better than the mic?
I love ya man, but it hurt my nerdy soul when you said aptX has latency five times faster than Bluetooth.
*(you still get a thumbs up as always
If they were having runs of hundreds of thousands or millions of units then that price would come down to something more realisticly competitive for the quality. As is i am glad they decided to offer it for those that may want to use it at whatever price its at.
X99 4 lyfe!
Fans on VRM will fail and go loud (in about 1 year with mine) I replaced cooling with passive one
Would the i7 5960x work ?
What screw driver is that that you use? I like it.
Also would love to know what track ball that is I’ve been wanting to try track ball again
The trackball is the Elecom Huge, and I LOVE it: czcams.com/video/wyzrIJT4S3k/video.html
The screwdriver is a Bahco ratcheted driver. Similar size to the LTT driver, but a longer shaft, deeper knurling, and it uses standard 1/4 bits instead of the stubby bits. Definitely worth a look: amzn.to/3Qp3Zql
Damn, Funky House by Frank Schroeter
Go lions!
F'n finally
Yes, I get a little antsy when it's been a while. One way I get past it is to just open up a system and swap in a new CPU cooler, GPU, or something. It's of course less of a cure than a complete new build, but it staves off the crisis.
I'm entering this comment from a 6850K system (originally with two 980 ti GPUs in SLI and fully water cooled) that I built shortly after X99 hit the market. I cool the CPU with a Corsair H105, and the system is completed by a 1080 ti, 32GB of DDR4 at 3000 / 17, and two Samsung 500GB SSDs (850 EVO and 950 Pro) from the original build. I use it mostly for MS Office and browsing, but it can still game if I need it to. Long live X99!
can you do a video on a linux pc with a dual AMD and Nvidia GPUS and how to setup a windows VM with the Nvidia GPU
YAY!
Where is the ultima map. Been asking since x79
lool. I literally just put together a x99 system for popOS gaming not two weeks ago!!
Do you happen to know which chipset is it in that board?
Most of those X99 board have Q87 chipset, but there's some special nugget models that have the actual X99 or C612 chipset.
EDIT: After a bit of googling, I found that this motherboard uses Z87 chipset.
This is a C612-based
How did you obtain this case?
Review unit from System76
Yes, if I dont build a computer regularly I get the shakes.
Got 256GB ddr4 for 220 Euros with 2400MT soo good deals can be had
7:30 missed lining it up lol
You can never switch over to Linux for anything productive. Many have tried and many have dual booted 😂
You've obviously never heard of the "Academy Software Foundation" then?
vrm temps are over 100°C ?
No. Where did you get that idea?
As someone who does media and gaming solely on Linux; who's recently ditched an AMD RX6600 for an old NVidia GTX1070 with the proprietary driver just to save myself the headache of dealing with the media disaster of the Radeon under Linux for one more minute. Gaming-wise, the Radeon shined, but for literally everything else GPU related, forGET getting accelerated video encoding and decoding working on the dedicated subsystem which meant terrible performance live streaming my gaming. Oh, and trying to get the GPU encode acceleration working in discord was an exercise in pure frustration and fruitless battling.
Tl;dr? AMD games well under Linux, but it turds for any kind of video you might want to use it for.
HELLO and HELP ME PLEASE: I just got a motherboard from AliExpress, X99-S3 / SZMZ with 128gb Ram 2133mhz and a graphics card ELSA RX 580 8gddr5... MY problem is = I don't get any video at ALL, to see the BIO or install my OS and drivers. You always show how all your x99 start at once with video output on your monitor. The digital number show on the motherboard is 55 and the light on the RX580 is flashing blue as okay. I do not use any NVME M.2, like you normally shows in all your videos, but a 3TB 3.5 HD... Please, what I'm doing wrong?? CAN YOU HELP ME PLEASE?
Thanks for answering back. forgot to say = My motherboard looks identical to your on this video. I also use win7 64bit pro.
There is no bad products, just bad price points.
Lions to the Super Bowl!!!!
Still getting alerts via paitreon and not CZcams
Swanky❤❤
what the point exactly to cable mod an closed case ...........
Those are the cables I used on the power supply years ago when it was new. I didn't buy them for this video.
big oof on this case quality for that price, fractal north is the way I think.
That movement of the PSU is pretty concerning. I've seen quite a few examples of PSUs getting ripped out in shipping. System76 needs to add more support for the PSU, expansion cards, and motherboard.
no beer?
Although I do not hate windows (beside the bloatware and telemetry) I really want to give Linux for gaming a chance. But the truth is that it is not hassle free. Especially when it comes to Ubisoft games (not bought on steam). You never know when an updates breaks everything. Again!
After trying Ubuntu, pop_os and drauger, Nobara almost seemed to be the perfect choice. Untill Ubisoft broke again. Sometimes i hate Ubisoft...
So now i decided tot wait for a linux distro with kernel 6.6 (i thought). They promised great things.
Bit off topic, since this video is about building a pc and not gaming on linux. But i wanted to type this down anyway. Thats the nice thing of internet I guess.
I think the case is bulky. I like the brown stripe (wood?) And how you can open it. Bit flexible in the hips though...
if only that wood inlay was actually flush with the case face, it would look so much more premium, as it is it just looks like a cheap vinyl inlay.
Regarding the itch - You may have fleas. Fortunately, a large-sized dog flea collar may fit you. Regarding the case.... sheesh, did they not think to address the rigidity issues before selling these a la carte? I like S76 for the most part, but this thing misses the mark.
...and nobody mentioned yet "But Jeff, those old, power hungry CPUs are bad, you should try something modern with better performace to power ratio!" Well, for all those people: Ask yourself, how much does (almost) any other hobby? (cars, model railroad, etc)
Give Blender as a video editor a sincere look. 100% of the tedium associated with that disappears with saving a template and it suck less to use than people give it credit for.
remember to wash towels and moisturize .... or maybe is the shakies from not building a pc, who knows......
Why not fill it up with 8 dimms when going for 128gb? 16gb modules are easier to find and much cheaper per GB. Getting the 2400mhz 32gb modules sounds like suboptimal advice.
I had the 32GB from another project
In my experience, less DIMMs equals lower latency and higher memory clocks
I hear Radeon Graphics with Resolve is a pita on Linux. Hopefully I've been given bad information.