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If you're going to put the Bible in school than you also need to allow the other religious books in. A comparative study of religion. But that is not what is intended. What these people want is to be able to use schools to indoctrinate people.
Anthony Lawson yes so true
This is so they can teach creationism in science class. I was talking to a guy that refused to believe that he came from an ape.... I tried to explain to him that he didn’t COME FROM an ape, but that humans and the apes had a common ancestor and that all the dna we have in common prove that. He looked at me and said... well, humans have common dna with all mammals. I said..... now you are starting to get it! But he really wasn’t!!!!! Why is the tree of life, such a hard concept to understand?
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Apparently more than 60% of human genes are shared with bananas
They should be required to teach some science in Sunday school.
@@thebetus8803 The appealing genes.
"If you don't follow your own code of ethics, why on earth, would you expect anyone else to?"
~Beau
I'm making that a t-shirt!
It's a very good point
You hit the nail on the head when you said most people who don't follow Christianity know it better than people who do because we've actually read the book the entire book not just excerpts.
As they say, the best way to become an atheist is by reading the bible
Your absolutely right. Because we cared if what we believed was true or not. I am an Atheist who's read the bible complete several times. I find it funny I could quote to verse and chapter when many and I mean many christian's have no clue. I haven't met to many christian's who have read the entire bible. Their faith is blind. Ignorance is not just what you don't know, it is also what you won't know.
As the great Carl Segan once said, " for me it is far better to grasp the universe AS IT REALLY IS than to persist in delusion HOWEVER SATISFYING OR REASSURING."
I read the Bible completely and memorize, that's why I don't believe it. Christian's only read what they are told to read. That's all, and they believe on it, that is call faith. Believe without any prove.
As a spiritualist, who was raised Christian, I was a bit nervous when my daughter wanted to attend a Christian church. It didn't take long before she became a complete atheist. I'm so glad I let her find her own way.
I was raised by a father who believed it was for my brothers and I to find our own way. I have always been a critical thinker and I never stop asking questions. (which really annoyed preachers) I read and studied the bible for many years. I wanted to believe, I wanted there to be some santa clause in the sky who actually cared about me. How ever after reading the bible and taking notes and comparing them. I cam to the conclusion that "god" is a lie that people in power tell the uneducated that they will go to hell unless they do as they are told. I am beffled that people who are normally intelligent can fall for such a hoax. After I completed my study I became a born again atheist!
"I like your Christ, but not your Christianity." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
He preferred the title Mohandas
@@KOZMOuvBORG A rose, by any other name…
I loved my comparative religions classes ... It helped me learn about other people's beliefs and systems of control ...
good for you
I've made religion (meaning all religions) a lifelong study. Nothing tells you more about people than what they do or don't believe in that sphere. Some if not most of the world's great art has been religiously inspired, and much of its great music. There are few subjects as deep and profound to study.
Mind control yes, that's why so many kids get RAPE at church or religious place.
Emphasise on "systems of control."
I would be hesitant to even allow that. I am a firm believer in separation of church and state.
The Canadian Province of Quebec put religion back in schools with their "Ethics and Religious Culture Program" introduced about 2007. All the religions who had been complaining about the lack of religion in school hated it. They wanted THEIR religion taught. Surprise - be careful what you ask for.
The Seven Tenets of the Satanic Temple :
*One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
*The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
*One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
*The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
*Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
*People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
*Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Thank you!
Goddamn, if that isn't better morality than what I've seen from almost every christian out there then I don't know what is.
“Be excellent to each other” - Wyld Stallyns🤘🏽💁🏻♀️
*air guitar riff* 🎸
I know about the Golden Rule. He who owns all the gold gets to make up all the rules. 💰💰🏆🏆
Well played... Well played
Nubian Kingdom 23 CE sounds Twisted
Lmao. Good one.
BLOODY POND LIVES That’s the real philosophy of the religious right
I first heard this corruption in 1975 at the Houston Yacht Club. Nouveau Rich all full of themselves. This was a moment when I realized that Christ was dead in America. For all of the Christian varieties we have, the teachings of Christ was rarely taught or practiced. There was old money there as well, but they just smiled when they heard this phrase and never said a thing to correct the newbies. This was always intended to be the unspoken rule, but they let it slip out in their midst thinking it would go no further. Oops! Yet the sheep failed to react when it did.
When asking "What Would Jesus Do?" remember that whipping people and throwing tables is within the realm of possibilities.
Yes He did when religious people was taken advantage of the poor & He cleansed the Temple that day and that's the main reason the religious people wanted Him put to death.
@Frank Peeters You are correct dogma & fear is driving the train, the country is changing fast and our maturity of grasping that fact has not.
You mentioned the church of Satan, but it's *The Satanic Temple* that does what you're talking about, Beau. Good video though 👍😁
The cos doesn't bother themselves with that type of nonsense. The satanic temple on the other hand is a rogue group of phony satanists that goes against much of what the founder taught. But once again. Beau gets it wrong. What a true Satanist would do is simply send their children to a more suitable school.
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The Church of Satan was a scam invented by Anton Levey, a former carnival barker, to make money.
@@Serai3
You may be right. He did work as a calliope player when he was a carnie. That's old news. It isn't like he hid that fact. It's something he was proud of. And the cos never hid behind tax exemption to squirm out of paying taxes. They actually pay even though his organization qualify for tax exempt status. And no matter what you think. His philosophy is as sound today as it was in 1966. A person can live a better life by following the guidelines.
The others that will demand equal time is the Pastafarians in thr Church of the Great Spaghetti Monster, Bless His Noodly Appendage
In Germany, for historical reasons mostly, religious education is something schools must offer, and students can opt out for philosophy class or ethics or something similar if they're not catholic or protestant or just don't care for it.
The thing is, I took RE for my entire education, and it was basically part ethics, part history, part comparative religions, and part critical source analysis, as in learning why the bible is written the way it is written, how it came to be, who it was written for and so on. I also was lucky enough to have teachers who valued the academic approach and healthy class discussion over preaching official doctrine.
I also think that having a solid background knowledge of how religion shaped and continues to shape society, and why the bible (and other religious texts) is the way it is, is something that should actually be mandatory teaching, if only to, as you say, teach people how to think and why other people think the way they do.
Same here. And not to forget that even Christian schools have to follow those rules. Funny, I found, however, that the children of our friends often asked us for their philosophy or ethics lessons on the subject of religion and the Bible, what is where and how it came to be ;)
That is absolutely fascinating. I would have been very happy to have a similar option. I would love to take it today, tbh. I took some interesting courses in college like 'race and ethnicity', 'speech and public speaking', and an ethics course only because they were required or fulfilled a requirement. They were among my favourite classes of my entire education. Information is always useful and helps create well-rounded people with open minds. My mom went to Germany years ago (well before covid) with her cousins. The thing that they found most fascinating and impressive was how Germany was so reflective and respectful regarding the horrors of WWII. I think that they had wondered what it would be like and found it very enlightening. I think of that often and wish that the US would be similarly open and reflective and follow a similar model for dealing with the evils of slavery. It is a historical fact which cannot be changed but we should be able to deal with it honestly like adults. Yet every minute we walk further away from it and delude ourselves as a country which makes me sad.
People say we have freedom OF religion. I would like to think extends to people that want freedom FROM religion.
I wish they would have used the word theology.
Exactly.
Atheists have a null theistic religion, they just don’t congregate since they have no one to worship. Allowing them to squash religious expression would violate the First Amendment too. Countries that deny the existence of God tend to disappear (e.g. the collapse of the Soviet Union). China is different because they still have Buddhism.
Science may be physical, but the mind of the truth-discerning scientist is at once supermaterial. Matter knows not truth, neither can it love mercy nor delight in spiritual realities. Moral convictions based on spiritual enlightenment and rooted in human experience are just as real and certain as mathematical deductions based on physical observations, but on another and higher level. P 195:6.12
atheist is no religion. lets not confuse the rational with irrational thinking people. have@@ericjohnson6665
@@ericjohnson6665 the fuck are you on about
All mythology should be taught in school. In mythology class.
Yeah philosophies class would be a good place to have a course on religious texts, as well.
We did Gilgamesh
Ethics and Civics would be my vote for a good place to discuss religious texts. Good morals are good for society, even to an atheist like me.
Ra men!!!!
In my school, we learned about most of the world religions, including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism. It started my interest in the subject, and eventually earned a BA in Religious Anthropology. I'm in favor of all mythology being covered in school, whether Christian or otherwise.
'conservatives' - WE MUST FIGHT SHARIA
Also 'conservatives' - WE MUST HAVE BIBLES IN SCHOOL.
Talibangelicals
The evangelicals are the Christian Taliban. Mike Pence, Huckabee Sanders, but most dangerously, Betsy DeVos, sister of Erik Prince, CEO of the mercenary group Blackwater are theocrats that would kill us all.
Subtext: WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SHARIA ACTUALLY IS.
Not all evangelicals. Remember, Jimmy Carter is one. There are some that are kind and loving, but they don't use a bullhorn and thus don't get the big attention.
TheD2JBug unfortunately many (most?) conservatives do not see the inherent contradiction that you point out. Because they believe that their version of Christianity is unquestionably the “correct” version, that their Bible the “correct” Bible, they are certain that no harm could possibly come from having their “correct” Bible taught in school. To them it is obvious that the *best way possible* to fight those who would impose Sharia law is to first install Christian Biblical law. I find that I get nowhere in discussions with conservative Christians who are doxasticly closed, that a necessary first step is to get them to open up to the possibility that there are other systems of beliefs that are just as valid as theirs, and that first step is by far the hardest.
I'm a Christian, and I explained to my children when they were little that I believe in the separation of Church and State, when it comes to public school. I told them that I feel that their teachers wouldn't be qualified to teach on the subjects, other children may feel left out, and it is up to parents to teach the children some things, and up to the school teachers to teach other subjects.
A philosophy course for seniors who don't intend to go on to college, as an introduction to the religions of the world and as an aid to functioning well in the workplace and society, could be a good thing to do for them, though.
But again, the benefit of the course would only be as good as the instructor. Could be a good thing for philosophy majors.
Yes, teach philosophy over indoctrination. Teach children HOW to think instead of WHAT to think.
How to reason is better than how to think.
@@colaboytje Critical thinking IS the definition of REASON. Semantics...
@@The10thManRules No, critical thinking is the foundation of scepticism. Reasoning is the foundation of philosophy.
@@colaboytje Ok. Thanks for commenting. Be well.
@@The10thManRules This isn't your channel. I'm telling you that reasoning and thinking are not the same. I'm responding to 'don't teach them what to think, but how to think'.
Everyone who is conscious can think. That doesn't mean they can reason.
Indoctrination is not only what to think, it is how to think as well. For example, 'don't question the bible' is an example of indoctrination by telling how to think.
That's why I said 'how to reason is better than how to think'.
I personally became a better Christian when I became an Atheist. I was actually thinking about why I should or shouldn't do things instead of just rotely doing what the guy at the pulpit was saying.
lokee73 well I’ll see you in hell brother.
I'm the same way. I try to do the right thing just because it's the right thing to do. Having that thought process seems to be a bit more sincere in my opinion. I'm not doing it to aviod burning in hell or to get to heaven. I find that it is extremely arrogant of us to think that we will live forever.
Same for me after I became agnostic. I know the Bible very well, so that helps. Pulling back helped me see what parts were included out some selfish human agenda and what parts were sincere teachings from the conscience
I have found that if you want to learn about Christianity or the Bible an atheist or Church of Satan representative is often one of the best sources. The same is true for the First Amendment. EDIT: Reading more comments, I realize I may actually mean The Satanic Temple or perhaps both.
Atheist here...you had me worried when you said you were all for it in a way...but I waited to see what you meant...and you elaborated, and now I’m not worried.
I feel like the world would be a simpler place with a lot less fear and hate if people just...heard one another out instead of jumping to conclusions
that's the brilliance of Beau, he makes you think hes going a particular direction and then totally flips it on its head
Yes I thought the same thing. I thought I was about to regret subscribing (I like literally just clicked subscribe after watching 2 of his other videos less then an hour ago). I held my breath and while I was deciding if I still wanted to watch this video, he didn't let me down like I thought he was going to. I can agree with this because it makes sense.
I agree I am atheist too I would like to study religion in school that is non bias. It may be too hard to find the right teachers so I would rather teach it to myself.
Marionette Du Auguste the world would be a better place if people would listen to the whole speech and not dip out after the first part sentence that seemed to disagree with their worldview.
Thank you for listening all the way through. Now you’ve made a judgement call on the full evidence, not on a knee jerk
@@matthewcollins4764 Here's an easy to understand translation of the Quran. You can find it on Amazon or any other place online. Just search:
English Translation of the Message of The Quran, [Sep 01, 2007] Ahamed, Syed Vickar
There's also a very entertaining and insightful story about a guy named Joshua Evans who decided to leave Christianity and studied every other religion he could find: czcams.com/video/N4UTSO5GQdA/video.html
The court cases in the 1960s that took the Bible out of public schools made it clear that it's perfectly acceptable to teach classes such as those Beau is describing here. It's just that nobody really wanted to have them. (There are are a few high schools with comparative religion courses, but not many.)
There you go making too much sense again...keeping it 💯Thx
If people knew HOW to think, would we have POTUS Trump?
I believe that is part of the point.
So true !
@@johndifrancisco3642 agreed, was going to say the same..
Yeah, probably. He did lose the election after all, just like W.
Then again, if we knew how to think, we would probably have gotten rid of the electoral college and not been so vulnerable to Russian interference, so maybe you're right.
@@ShaedeReshka drop the mic and move along sir. Best comment.
All those religions say similar things but not many of us are good at following their tenets.. regardless, all or none should be in our schools.
Agreed.
If teaching religion is a priority to parents there's a thing called Sunday School their kids can attend while their in church.
An it harm none do what thou will. That's Paganism. The moment my faith were taught in schools Christian parents would lose their minds. The philosophy is good and similar to other faiths. Basically it means don't hurt anyone including yourself but otherwise be free.
Except for the whole you're allowed to beat your slaves and God endorsing slavery in Exodus.
You beat me to it! I have been a Pagan for 22 years, but think I always was, it felt so comfortable when I first learned about Paganism.
I am from Cornwall, in the UK, but now live in Bristol, I go to the longest running Moot in the country.
Blessed Be.
@42 jade
There are so many beliefs and paths, but here in the UK it's seen as a Pagan doctrine.
It's part of the Rede, not the whole thing. The Pagans I know follow that one part. I apologize if that wasn't universal. I know some Wiccans but most of my friends are Pagans of carrying traditions.
Blessed Be and Blessed Imbolc!
Thank you Beau! I had to chuckle when the epitome of the 7 deadly sins suggested Bible study in schools. There are absolutely pearls of wisdom in all religion.
I am just loving your teachings. I say it in the most respectful way. I love having my mind challenged. Keep it up!
Religion was created when the first con man met the first fool.
Western Civilization was one of the most interesting, enlightening classes I took in college. We learned about all of the religions, beliefs and similarities.
Can you run for congress in 2020? I’ll campaign for you.
Well in a video in another channel they actually put an official site to nominate someone. The first thing I thought, was Beau.
Mary Madrigal what channel?
Is Beau old enough to be elected President?
@CommandoDude you never know
Trump used to say he had no interest in running, but look the piece of rotten Cheeto where he is at. And he has zero knowledge of anything.
Mary Madrigal i need to know his state and district
As long as ALL books of faith are taught in a socratic manner. Otherwise it is unconstitutional. PERIOD. Full stop.
1 John 4;20 *"If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen."*
Exactly. Evangelicals for example have proven that they are hypocrites. I stopped attending my church when the pastor resigned as a result of a sex/ drugs scandal. I believe in God but mortals are inherently disingenuous.
My church pastor went to prison for murdering his girlfriend and his wife and children stayed at our church for a while (awkward). I'm an atheist, but that didn't have any bearing on my decision. We also had a deacon molesting kids😬
@@ladycheyne5607 Yes, there you go.
@@feliciasbeard My mother had the same belief, and it just blew my mind. If God made you gay, why should you not be able to act on said 'gayness'. The whole idea that one is okay but the other is not is stupid. Almost as stupid as thinking that being gay is a choice.
@@Kordiana #truth
It's one thing to look to your faith based convictions to help guide your position on secular, government policies. But religion didn't invent morality. It happened the other way around. Morality, regardless of whether or not you agree with the particular interpretation of it, existed first. Only then, was religion woven into it. If you need to consult your religion to figure out the right thing to do before you do it, you're missing the point.
If you have to consult your religious texts before doing the quotes right thing, then you're probably not a very good person
If the Bible were to be taught it school, it still wouldn’t belong in a science class. Science is a system of discovery by empirical testing and observational evidence. The Bible doesn’t claim to do this, in fact it asks for the opposite (faith without proof, which is the antithesis of scientific reasoning). Science classes only teach scientific conclusions, not faith based or philosophical conclusions. So if the Bible was studied in school, it would belong in a literature or theism class, maybe even a history or philosophy class, where it could be studied alongside other scriptures on its actual merits.
You're right on young man. Proud to know that there are young people who can think for themselves. 😉
Beau I am not American but these talks of yours are very stimulating no matter where you are in the world
the public evangelical corrupters of the teachings of Jesus spew a " hypocrisy that is so blatant you can choke on it"
Preach on brother Beau
I tend to be less kind to religion...there is still a great deal of harm done here and abroad under almost every religious flag; the moderates and apologists give cover to people who take their faith far more seriously and literally. We can teach the golden rule and morality without all of the baggage that comes with religious doctrines and indoctrination. If religion is to be taught, which I think it should be, it should be taught in it's entirety including the evil, misogyny, fear and totalitarianism it contains so that people can learn what religion really is; a man made tool to control the masses that preys on the fears we all have to face about our own end and our big, scary universe that it takes so much real work to understand. Trump is pandering to the evangelicals who would see our public schools converted to intellectual cest pools that indoctrinate children to the detriment to our science education...which would never survive religious imposition. Societies can progress, they can also regress...and I'm not convinced we are moving in the right direction.
I hear ya, I can be down right nasty to religion for all and more of the reasons you gave. I have lost all patients with religion and the religious hypocrites, the time for respectful silence is over when it comes to this religion and god crap. The world would be a much better place without religion, just imagine.
@@kosys5338 It's sad, really. I live in central North Carolina and tend to be very honest about what I think, when people ask what church I go to and I reply that I don't believe in any of it...I can literally see them become confused and their stomachs start churning.
As much as I oppose the intermingling of church and state, part of me would love to see someone of a non-Christian faith be elected as POTUS and try to push their religion into schools. I think evangelicals would finally hop on the separation of church and state bandwagon, and we could stop with this kind of nonsense.
@@amberdoll4988 How great would it be to have someone simply acknowledge the fact that we have enough resource to dedicate to science to make everyone's life infinitely better...even cutting energy costs by 50% would massively improve a lot of people's lives...and do so while refusing to tell anyone what religion they are.
Great stuff man . This is what a real American sounds like 🇺🇸💯
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The separation of church and state is far more precious than any religion.
When I got to the part where the young rape victim was sold to her attacker for 50 pieces of silver to be abused for the rest of her life, I threw every Bible in the house into the burn barrel.
I love you so much man. It saddens me that the conversations I’ve been having for the last 20 years are so hard to find these days. Your intellect empathy compassion wit make you rare these days. Im so glad you’ e chosen to share ur thoughts w the world.
I'm against religion in schools I strongly believe in the separation of church and state religion is something that should be practicing your home or on your own time. I definitely think philosophy should be taught in schools though it opens your mind. And again if they want to teach religion they must teach all religions. Which would take up the whole school day. That's why I think we should just stick to the basics.
@Main Street Boxer To be honest, I went to a Christian school. In my native country, religion is also taught in public schools, sometimes as part of ethics lessons, sometimes within phylosophy lessons, and often as a lesson in religion, all the lesson units have to follow exactly those principles you mentioned. Not to forget that other scientific findings are also included in the discussion. Those lessons are taught around 2 -3 hours a week for a minimum of about 3 to 4 years starting around 5th grade , sometimes later but always for more than 2 years Our teachers for these subjects must also have studied the subjects (each teacher has 2 subjects with a master's degree, 1 major and a minor) . The knowlegde helped me to not fall for one of the major sects trying to get a hold as recognized church within my country . (Take a look at Vohalika´s comment right down below and you´ll understand my point of view )
Yeah, the bible's great when you skip around and pick out the passages that make you feel good. But read as a whole, it's like a bronze age version of Donald Trump's Twitter feed.
This one speaks to me. I am from a very read state in the heart of the "Bible Belt" and the consensus here is putting the Bible/prayer back in school will save us all.
I am a Christian and as long as they teach the philosophies of the major religions, compare and contrast them honestly and truthfully, I see no issue. I do not want school led practice of religion unless it is in an advertised private school for the exact reason you stated. I would not want anyone else deciding what religious practices or faith my child would follow and I will not advocate or support doing it to others.
Well said.
As a Christian I found this commentary so enlightening and enlightened. As always you rock!
thank you for your insights
I get where you are coming from, but separation of church and state is very important to me.
I think Beau agrees with you
Couldn't agree with you more.
Teach historical context, sources, philosophy, and historiography. Of all the Western faiths, and a survey of Eastern and other religions.
The Church of Satan could be taught in one afternoon.
Let me paraphrase my favorite Bible verse: "Judge not, condemn not, forgive."
What verse is that?
@@rom116kjv - Luke 6:37 - Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven.
Well said Beau!
We need to expand the well-roundedness of our education.
Brother, I felt I was making this video!! You have expressed every thought I have had. Great video Beau.
I can already fix all these religions and make them more moral. Treat others the way they want to be treated.
I want to be treated like one of those entitled assholes hanging out in Davos last week. That'd be sweeeet...
That doesn't quite parse, unfortunately. Most of these supposed "Christians" say they ARE doing that - it's just that they're holy and righteous and thus would never be treated the way they're treating others.
They pretty much all say that but then the "leaders" decide that power is more important that principle and suddenly there are exceptions to who gets treated equally. They don't want the existing power structure to change (since they're on top) and so become conservative in their interpretations of their holy words.
Yep, hell, even "turn the other cheek" or "Forgive their trespasses"
Of course, when it suits you, you can revert to "an eye for an eye"
How can the bibe be a good book Bo, when it validated SLAVERY? That's just one point.
where did it validate slavery?
My favorite is psalm 137:9 ".Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." That one should be read to every Christian child before bedtime.
I AM A CHRISTIAN! It is videos like this that make me love the channel! Beau does such a great job speaking and informing! You should be a teacher. I am 43 years old and would take your class!
Thank you for doing this.
Howdy beau, it’s one of your internet people. Hope you have a wonderful day
In my high school all the major religions were taught. The teacher spent the first week covering Hinduism, Islam and Buddhism. Then on Monday of the second week she said, "OK, now we will learn about the TRUE religion, Christianity". And that was it for the rest of the semester. Seriously.
"The goal of education is not to teach you what to think but how to think." Exactly.
I thought it would be great if it included all religions, because it would also be a great way to show the similarities and differences between cultures which if taught properly would remove a lot of cultural stigmas. But this was my reaction too, Christians think they're the only ones who are "right". They'd scream if anyone made this appeal for a religious text that wasn't the Bible. Personally I'm a believer in God, but I ditched organized religion due to the hate and push on indoctrination of others. There's a part of the Bible (I can't remember where, but I'm pretty sure it's the Bible, admittedly it has been awhile) that says that God has many names. I have thought for a long time about that, and why can't those names be the names mentioned in similar religious texts? So many religions do overlap on the important points of morality, why isn't it possible that most of them are one religion that is different only due to culture? I'm not a scholar, I'm definitely not a philosopher, and I really don't know enough about all the religions to do more than sometimes speculate about it. But I wonder how Christians would feel if they felt like they were constantly being told they were sinners and that if they didn't convert to whatever they'd burn for eternity? I'm not sure how forced conversion to a FAITH is even a thing. Just because you force someone under penalty of death to worship with their words, wtf does that do to their hearts? Nothing. Except make them resent their captors and the religion they brought with them. True faith is not the measure of words so why do they think that's something that their God would want? People who say words they don't mean under duress? I just don't understand it. I was raised in it, I don't at all understand it. Respect for other beliefs or lack of belief isn't hard once you get off your high horse lol. As always great content...(and wasn't he trying to get rid of the Civics course? 😂)
Howdy, Beau...internet guy here.
imo
Good vid again.
Trump playing at religion would be one of the great comedy routines of our time if pretty much everything he does didn't hurt so many so much.
Furthermore, I find it sad that education in our capitalist/consumerist culture has become little more than job training.
imo
Several decades ago when I was a college freshmen at a Lutheran college I had to take a class on religions of the world. It was the most fascinating and eye opening course I ever had. There are more things that are similar then different in most faiths. Do good for others, you are a temple unto yourself, good deeds equal grace from God. Ect.
Best episode I have seen of you so far Beau, great work. Speaking philosofy with open minded religious people has been some of the most fruitful experiences I have had to my little intellect. But when speaking with the close minded and you question hypocrisy the point flies high over their head.
The reason Christianity is on the decline is due to Christians. Could not have said it better myself.
I agree on this.
How can the spiritual blind teach spiritual things?
We were taught all the worlds major religions freshman year of Catholic School!! Never so grateful. It set me up for a lifetime of acceptance of different people/races/lifestyles! Thanks Bo
Keep doing what you are doing Beau. You are among the very few online voices that are informative, persuasive and intelligent. But most of all, and the reason I listen to you, is because you are fair minded, which is such a rare thing today. And for those who give you a "thumbs down," disregard them. For they do not take issue with the accuracy of your information, they simply find that your comments are inconvenient truths.
This is the only thing I've heard you say that I'm adamantly against. No religion in schools period. Don't care what your religion, keep it away from my kid.
Let them open Pandora's box😉 Their heads will explode when the Satanic Bible or the Quran gets it's turn🤣🤣
By far, the satanic bible is the most ethical text.
How can you teach about world history without bringing the religion into it. The history of religion is a major part of how the world has formed (not trying to claim that this is necessarily a good thing) so keeping religion out of schools entirely is detrimental to education. Some of the philosophies (as in the examples used in this video) that many of the worlds religions have at their core, are all about being decent to each other, so understanding how different cultures have tried to use these philosophies to make their lives better, can be a good thing. Equally, understanding how many people have exploited the outdated notions in other cultures beliefs (whilst ignoring the outdated beliefs in their own) as a way of poisoning your people against theirs, is an important lesson to learn, if we are to ever prevent the same mistakes from happening again.
As Beau said, teaching religion from a historical or philosophical viewpoint can be an invaluable way of making the future a better place. Teaching them from a strict indoctrinate viewpoint, can only do more harm than good.
My personal opinion is that having a hard-lined, all religious education should be banned full-stop, mentality is not much different to religious indoctrination in its own right, its just that the religion in question is atheism. And yes, I understand the irony of that previous statement, but it does seem that there are a few people in this world these days who seem to be religiously atheistic, and this is not necessarily a good direction to be heading in.
Just a thought.
Knowledge is power. The ability to compare histories of different religions will provide kids from religious families an opportunity to think for themselves.
I'm of the opinion that people should learn the whole history, evolution, and philosophy of ALL of the religions of the world, not just the whitewashed, palatable, pretty parts. Not only should students be taught the philosophies each religion offers, but also be taught how to think critically about them, and to compare the "morals" they taught, against what is considered moral today. Many Christians might be shocked to learn that the only position on abortion in the bible, is that not only is it acceptable, but that it was to be administered by a priest! Imagine that, a jealous man suspicious of his wife's fidelity, taking her to the priest who then gives her an abortive concoction to drink that will cause a miscarriage if she was unfaithful...
Anyway, a great many atheists are born as a direct consequence of ACTUALLY reading their holy book from cover to cover, and not just the verses here and there that their preacher tells them to. Looking into the history of how their holy books were put together can also be very enlightening. Lots of folks go into seminary to become priests, and exit from it as nonbelievers. I dated just such a person some years ago :)
The bible is not a great book. It's a terrible book with a few good things in it. And none of those good things are particularly original.
Love this Beau! You are a prophet of sorts for sure. Beautiful, profound, grounded observations.
#spiritualwisdom
What a beautifully thoughtful, thought provoking, intelligent, informed, compassionate video. With so much hysteria surrounding this topic, it's great to hear such a grounded and inclusive perspective.
That's the last thing kids need to learn about a Bronze Age/Iron Age hate book. The Wholly Fables aka The Bible is nothing more than Bronze Age and Iron Age tribalism.
Seems like you should really go back to school. Bronze Age/Iron age were centuries before the Bible. Just saying. You can have whatever opinion you want on religion but at least know what you're talking about first.
@@@JudgeKudz Actually scientific Bible studies show that the Tora or Old Testament was written down around 1000 bc and Bronze Age reaches the time up 2500-800 bc, followed by Iron Age. @Nubian Kingdom 23CE Nevertheless, I would not dismiss the Bible simply as a fable or fairy tale book. This book was written especially in the books of Moses from oral traditions. Which, in turn, can be found in narratives of other peoples and / or religions. Oral traditions vary, depending on the ability of the narrator. For example, take testimony in a crime or accident, depending on where the witness stood, what perspective he had or whether he himself is involved in the event, his statement is a bit different and only if you put all the statements together to a total picture along with science gives the whole picture of the event.
Funny you say that since the oldest biblical manuscripts are dated around 920CE and 1008CE. That's that's a close to a millennium after Christ. To be clear oral traditions aren't the Bible, they contributed to part of the Bible but not all of it. So be accurate information giving.
@@manub.3847 not sure where you're getting your information from because a quick google says that the oldest dated manuscript was written almost a millennium after Christ.
@@JudgeKudz I thought it was the Codex Sinaiticus. Around 350 CE and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Were the oldest.
Teaching religion, is wrong.
It holds the world back from real progress in the modern day.
Hiya Beau, i got a funny story from my past.
I went to a Christian kindergarten, because there was no public kindergarten in our neighborhood.
Every morning, we started with a morning prayer, which was something new to me since I was not raised religious.
One day when my mother asked about my day, i told her. I was a little kid, thought nothing of it, i trusted adults to know whats best.
A few days later, just before morning prayer, we were asked which ones of us did not pray at home.
7 or 8 of us raised our hands, and we were taken to another classroom, where we spent the next 10 - 15 minutes talking about dinner last night, games we played, things we did. After that we went back to the classroom where the other kids had just finished praying.
This went on for the rest of the year. None of us was made to feel weird, we were included in everything else.
I did not even realize what must have happened between some parents and the school.
This happened about 46 years ago.
Right now, i wonder what would happen in an American Christian school if secular parents asked not to teach their kids that stuff, in the case that no public school is available.
I love your philosphy and your real approach to thinking.
Amen!!! We take our faith very seriously in this family. We’ll teach our kids at home and choose our church carefully.
Parents should have a say in EVERYTHING the school wants to teach their kids. Period. That's real "school choice".
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Diderot
you are one of the very few that understand exactly how I feel about this subject. I have a friend who is an atheist where I am a christian and we both think the same way. if religion is to be taught in schools than it should include all forms of religion, theology, etc. Thank you for bringing this out to the public through your youtube site.
Must say, youve once again found the perfect words and ways to vocalize another subject Justin. Kudos man. And give that barking dog of yours a bellyrub on behalf of me:) Have a good one brother!
I find this video interesting, informative, and humorous. Keep up with the good work. I think you deserve a praise or a medal.
Dude, I want to hug you. Thank you for all your videos.
"Show others the same tolerance, pity, and patience that we would cheerfully grant a sick friend." - Big Book pg 67
"We avoid retaliation or argument. We wouldn't treat sick people that way. If we do, we destroy our chance of being helpful. We cannot be helpful to all people, but at least our higher power will show us how to take a kindly and tolerant view of each and every one." - Big Book pg 67
Thought I'd add to Beau's list of philosophy. Thank you Beau.
As someone (atheist) currently going to a private Christian school, this video really hit the nail on the head in a lot of areas, great video as always dude.
Really liked the talk on philosophy as well, as a fan of studying it myself.
The only prayer I offer regularly is “dear lord, defend me from your followers,” and frankly I don’t care which one answers.
"Forgive them for they know not what they do." Best words I've lived by.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 from a preacher's kid.
This is on point!
You did a great job speaking my mind, thank you!
In Saudi Arabia put Quran in school and this is was worst thing ever happened for 4 generations
I am agnostic, deist to be exact. I grew up Episcopalian. I know the Bible very well.. and I have taken to flat out calling many Christians Apostates. They have no idea what thier own religion teaches. They preach hate. When Jesus was about love and acceptance. They judge others, when it clearly, unequivocally states, thou shalt not judge, for judgement is the Lord's. If anything drove that final wedge between me and my faith, it was years of hearing the hate and anger and rightious judgement coming out of Christians. I had an ethics professor once that explained that if you follow another group's ethics, that makes you an unethical man. Because when that group changes it's ethics, you have to change. And that's exactly what I see happening today in Christianity...
I live in SC and overheard the private schools pledge of the allegiance. It starts out "I pledge of allegiance to the Christian flag..."
Gave me the creeps.
that is exactly why I love this channel, it doesn't teach me what to think: but how to think...
You’re what makes America great
As well-spoken and true as usual, Beau. May your words enter open ears.
Take it from me, I was on the way to be a Pastor. I change during my schooling and I learned the hard way. I now Pray the Unseen God. I know there is something out their. I don´t hurt people trough Words or deeds.
I spent a 18 years in church and 6 years in a religious school and the best thing I got out of it was not being fooled by that "Bible" verse :)
In college, I took a History of the Christian Church class. In it, the textbook covered "Abrahamic" religion and it's influence on the world (Old Testament stuff), the branches and offshoots of that beginning and how the world affected the teaching and the teaching effected the world. It went on to cover New Testament Christianity and how it was introduced and what effects it had on both the world and the Old Testament religions.. Following up through the spread through the Mediterranean Sea and Roman empire, the European countries, into early Russia, etc. It continued through the spread to America and the influence on the founding fathers. It also covered the way it was USED to prop up governments and how governments were USED to prop it up. Man's influence twisted religion toward their goals. Government's corruption twisted the church to control. The founding fathers all had seen this, some of them first hand, and when they formed the country, the separation was discussed as a way of stopping it from happening again. It was one of the most interesting history classes I have taken because it related to me and my faith, but from a historical point of view. The professor of the class - one of the pastors from a local church. He helped me understand why Church and State are to be separated; so neither corrupts the other.
Thanks Beau for another excellent commentary. I agree with your idea of teaching philosophy and comparative religions in schools. Some schools do this already. I taught in a Houston area school district that did this because Houston is very diverse. Understanding our fellow Houstonians' cultures and religions helps us to live, work, and go to school with each other peacefully as friends. Knowledge leads to understanding and acceptance. Ignorance only leads to fear and hatred of the "unknown other." I have friends and colleagues of many religions and cultures. I feel blessed to know each one of these people.
'As you sow so shall you reap'
Sounds alot like karma to me.
'What goes around comes around'
"Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're youre the bug".
"The toes you step on today, might be the ones kicking your ass tomorrow".
"Uncertainty is the surest sign of rationality" - Bertrand Russell
the same similar fundamental guideline of treating ppl how you’d want to be treated is also present in Wicca or Witchcraft as well..
one of the basic rules of Wicca is to be careful of the thoughts and actions you project outward toward anyone else bcuz it could come back to you three fold.. so if you’re projecting negative energy, thoughts or action toward a specific person or persons and wishing them bad fortune or harm the end result may backfire on you three times over.. best to do good deeds and practice love.. 💟☮️
I knew what you were going to say before you spoke. I get you brother.
Can't be anymore right. Teach all of them.
Keep speaking because only truth comes out.
Nancy Griffith, It's a hard life, give it a listen
Great thought Beau...well said...
I couldn't care less what belief any one person wants to believe...
just keep it out of public schools, and the government...that's theocratic fascism.
An algebra teacher once told us “most of you will never need the math itself but it will help teach you to think and everyone can use that skill”. (Not an exact quote)