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I'm a public hs teacher. Arming teachers is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. And the teachers who would volunteer to be armed...let's just say they're not the ones you want having a gun.
The ones who would volunteer would be my heroes. It's not asinine to me. How about all teachers must go through Marine Corps Drill instructor school? Or maybe you need them to help you teach? That's asinine. But at least it would work. Weed out the weak teachers from the strong. It's only an opportunity to save young lives.
@@lightsout176 You couldn't have missed the point by a larger degree. Teachers cannot be Special Forces Operators and teachers at the same time. Once you start thinking like an operator, you can no longer provide an adequate education to your students, because you'll always be on guard.
Let alone no state government would ever fund that level of training (several thousands of dollars per teacher) to any degree that would be actually effective at stopping a shooting in progress.
And to your "the ones who would volunteer would be my heroes" claim: Everyone thinks they're a hero until the shooting starts.
@@lightsout176 Violence seems easy when the only violence you've experienced is school yard fights.
This isn't a movie. There are no heroes. No protagonists. If you think it's that easy open and shut, then you're almost assuredly wrong.
Lights Out obviously you didn’t watch the video, he literally covered every point you just made and told you why it won’t work.
@@lightsout176 - Do you understand that right now in most states there is a teacher shortage? For instance, Kansas started the 2018-2019 school year down 600-700 teachers, Oklahoma was at least double that and now you want teachers to carry guns and potentially end the life of one of their students? That's not going to be embraced on a wide enough basis to do any good. Like Beau said it's a bandaid and if they are really serious about stopping school shootings, they will pony up the money to hire full-time armed security staff, lock down the schools, and give them the tools to protect the students. That is an idea that has been deemed to be "too expensive" by the Republicans in charge of most state legislatures...
I'm a high school teacher and a concealed carrier, and a martial arts teacher. I would quit the day they even gave me the option of wearing my gun to school. I agree with all of what Beau said, but I don't think he mentioned my strongest concern explicitly. As is, a kid with bad intention has to plan ahead, steal a gun from home or a friend's house, at least go home and come back with it the next day. The abundance of guns makes this pretty easy, but there is a certain amount of intention needed not to lose the nerve between a moment of rage and the opportunity to act the next day. Arm the teachers, and all a student has to do is get pushed over the edge by something, tackle the nearest teacher, and arm himself. Guns in schools mean a student doesn't need to go home and sleep on it. That alone makes the idea absolutely unacceptable. A school resource officer is paid to be vigilant and attentive. That is their full job description. Try as we might, teachers cannot maintain that kind of vigilance while also staying focused and engaged with teaching. That's two full time jobs. The vigilance would be inconsistent, and sooner or later one would be disarmed in an impulsive second of childish rage.
You also become a great target for any other teachers who might be armed. Since none of you would know who the other armed teachers are, or how well-trained those people might be, you're all now weapons against each other.
So you’re saying an adult would let themselves get pushed down by a child and get their gun stolen by that same child somehow because the power of children is beyond anyone’s control right? So basically a kid would have to get to the point where they are unstable and being violent (you would think someone would’ve noticed by now but ok), the teacher would have to notify the students that they are armed (I don’t know why the teacher would need to tell the students but ok), and finally the teacher would have to not have any skills in self defense and not be able to keep their gun from being stolen (I don’t understand how someone could be carrying a gun with the intent to protect others while not having the ability to do so). You’re also acting as if having a gun suddenly makes you unable to do anything else. As if having a gun takes your full attention or something. Having a gun is not an occupation.
@Man Baby hot damn! I've had words put in my mouth before, but you trying to choke me with that truckload of bullshit? No sir, I'm not saying any of that. How about you read my comment again, and instead of looking for a way to twist it around until it sounds ridiculous, you actually give it some thought, and then respond to what I actually said?
@@manbaby9166 Um. I'm not OP, but if OP lived in my body, they would be a 5'2" woman, with a small frame. In high school, my brothers-in-law were already 6'4" and 6'5", and built like linebackers (hubs is the "runt" at 6'3"🤣). Now, if someone like my brothers-in-law wanted to disarm someone like me, unless I'm willing to use my gun on them or seriously hurt them before they can get a single hit in, I only have so much I can physically do before I'm squished.
To be a bit less anecdotal:
Of the 12 documented school shootings in 2019 where the suspect was school-age, the average age of the suspect was 16.83 years old. Only one suspect was cis-female, one was a trans male, and the rest were cis-male (Source: www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02 ). Your post uses the word "child" multiple times, but we're not talking about 5 year olds. Looking at average heights of boys in the most common age-range for school shootings: "boys 15 to 18 [years old] will grow from 68 inches to 70 inches and continue to grow incrementally for a few years after" (Source: www.verywellfit.com/average-height-for-a-man-statistics-2632137#average-height-for-boys ). At 5'2", I'm 62 inches tall. That discrepancy in size puts me (if we're still giving OP my stature, since I don't know theirs) at a pretty significant disadvantage in terms of reach and weight. Some of that could be overcome by training, but only for a person very dedicated to extensive initial marshal arts training and rigorous maintenance.
And, who knows, maybe that motion I caught out of the corner of my eye and interpreted as an attack was just going to be a high five. Should I shoot the student just in case he was trying to disarm me, since I don't have much chance in a physical fight?
The teacher wouldn't really need to tell the students about having a gun. A student could catch sight of a concealed carry in a thousand different ways. Or, what if there's a student who is the child of a police/sheriff officer who processes the concealed carry permits or works wherever the weapon was purchased, and that parent liked to gossip or had their student at work? Especially in a small town, that wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.
Carrying a gun with the intent to preempt a school shooter would actually take a lot of focus. The teacher would have to always be aware of the location of each student, each entrance and exit point, every hiding place, every movement, etc. Would you expect a SWAT officer in the middle of clearing a building containing an unknown number of assailants to be able to simultaneously teach a class of thirty teenagers, while keeping all of them out of danger? If so, that's really impressive! It's not having the gun that makes someone unable to do anything else; it's the constant state of vigilance to both guard the gun and keep an ongoing, updated, dynamic plan of action in mind that minimizes casualties in case of an attack. And the teacher can never, ever make a mistake, or students will die. All this, when cops--who aren't simultaneously teaching--regularly shoot kids and adults who are holding an array of non-weapon items.
If someone isn't serious enough about carrying a gun for it to have the majority of their attention, then I'm not terribly comfortable with them carrying a gun around packs of teenagers. "In 2019, 486 Americans died from unintentional firearm injuries - about 1.2% of total gun deaths" (source: efsgv.org/learn/type-of-gun-violence/unintentional-shootings/ ). I did look for injury and no-harm unintentional discharge stats, but this is already too long, and I'm not sure how necessary it is. More than one American dies every day from unintentional shootings. What happens when teachers are armed, both increasing the number of guns "in use" and in close proximity to large numbers of people on a daily basis? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that an unintentional shooting would occur at some point. The moment that occurred, the teacher's life would be over.
Andre, I'm sorry that I stepped on your toes; I ended up getting too caught up in going through each argument against your rational and thoughtful position. All the words were definitely mine, but I feel a little guilty about sticking you with my screwed-up, broken-down body, even if only rhetorically. 😁 I truly hope that you're never, ever in a position where you need to use the physical violence aspects of your training against any of your kids at school. You're one of the few people I could imagine trusting with a gun in a classroom, since you're so adamantly against it for logical reasons. Weird how that works, isn't it? I hope you, your family/friends, and all of your students stay safe, happy, and healthy, especially when you return to the classroom. Thank you for your service in enriching the minds of your students, especially during the recent challenges. Teachers already have a tough enough job without worrying about guns and covid. You all deserve so much more than our society gives you. 💙
I understand your point, but I do not understand your logic. You said that a student would get to a point where they would attack a teacher and then grab their gun. To me, it seems that there are a lot more steps to go through before this student ends up with this gun. The teacher would have to first fall over and be unable to fight back or secure their gun. The student would have to already know where the gun is and also would need to know how to operate said gun. So many things would have to go wrong before a student gets a gun from their teacher. I don’t know how you can go from a teacher having a gun to a student taking the gun without the details in between and act like it’s a fact that this will definitely happen every time.
As a combat veteran and a mom, I don't think people understand the difficulty that comes with being in a warrior mindset vs a nurturing one. When you are on guard certain walls are up. To bridge that gap simultaneously is exhausting and often impossible.
YES! This!!!
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As a vet and a mom I 100% concur.
yeah totally agree. If this ever becomes an option it has to obviously be a choice chosen by a individual. NO WAY this can be forced on anyone. That would be stupid scary.
Thank you for your service.
If a spree killer is murdering my students- do I want to be able to protect them?
Texas was talking about this before I retired, and as a retired soldier I decided I would never bring a pistol into a classroom.
Like the yo-yos who think concealed carry solves everything. Open fire in a theater, or a restaurant? Idiocy! If you have a pistol, is the guy you see with a pistol the attacker, or another 'good guy with a gun'? The cops who respond won't have time to decide.
This is what I always think about when they bring up the good guy with a gun solution. I'm just waiting for the first time there is a shoot-out in a Walmart or something and bystanders are hit by stray bullets or the good guys' own kids are ... It' has just gone beyond ridiculous...
@@nanszoo3092 Sometimes the good guy with a gun is african-american.. Then the cops show up and, since it's an armed african-american guy, they kill him..
@@nanszoo3092 I read in another comment (might not be on this video) about several "good guys with a gun" who were shot by the police. I have to wonder if *any* of these "bright" ideas that people come up with have been given one iota of thought or analysis. I'm fairly sure not. I'm equally sure that while some people suggest these "solutions" as cynical excuses, there are those who believe them implicitly primarily because it aligns with their political beliefs.
About the response 😔in Texas
@@timyak3079
Texas has had armed teachers in many schools for years. It is completely optional at the school district level.
No shootings have happened in those schools or the armed teachers were not in position to use them so they are unknown.
With many teachers carrying, we have yet to hear of a disarmed teacher, one getting angry and shooting a student, etc.
As a Canadian i can't believe how poorly your teachers are paid, plus their lack of resources.
It's because some politicians have figured out that an uneducated public is easier to manipulate and deceive, so they appeal to the greed of people who don't care about other folks kids and we end up with a population who can't tell you who fought WW2 or even name the branches of government. We are reaping the harvest of these policies right now, with a barely literate narcissist in the White House because half the population lacked the critical thinking skills to tell when someone is obviously lying.
@@macrumpton teaching to the standardized test certainly isn't helping. We needed an innovation to expand in that manner, not reprioritzation.
There's a reason the US is the way it is.
@@macrumpton Well tRump did say he loves the poorly educated.
When I was growing up, parents supplied the teachers with resources. I'm sure that's still the case. I'm 31.
I'm picturing a bunch of teachers pushing around filing cabinets with guns sticking out one side like some sort of low budget Darleks. EDUCATE EDUCATE!
Lol. By "mobile" I mean they can easily be moved into position, not as a shield to walk around. But hey whatever works. Lol
I could see that happening on South Park.
I like the comment almost as much as the fact that Beau knows the reference.
You have my respect both of you!
@@Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes Hell I will give you some respect for that picture alone!
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Try the internet:
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Hi! I'm a teacher, I live in an agricultural community, and I am 100% aware that my students are my kids. I couldn't do it. I couldn't be asked to do it. Plus the kids paw through everything I have in every drawer and cabinet eventually. They need scissors or a pad or a piece of candy because they are having a bad day, so I just keep things they shouldn't touch in plain sight-- like my insulin and my cell phone. They know they are being trusted not to mess with them, and they occasionally take selfies with their friends on my phone, but a gun? I can't keep things hidden from them. They like to try to swipe the walkie talkie off of my belt just because they're silly and playful and having fun. My class is full of laughter and smiles and good interesting work. Being asked to shoot one of my silly kiddos? Never. I couldn't. Not even to protect myself. Not even to protect the others. With my lack of aim not even being considered, I would need to get to it, get it ready, aim, and shoot without error or hesitation? RIP me.
I really love your response
who do kids today think they should be
can you keep it a safe in a backroom?
@@sonle7019 We don't have back rooms, and if it were in a back room it wouldn't be useful in any emergency event because it would be elsewhere on campus. Like many poor schools, we are all very old portables.
But would you have a sense that one of the silly kiddos could suddenly switch to a dangerous killer?
@@lindataylor1127 I think that teenage emotions are pretty extreme because the amygdala is constantly firing off. Also, I have had graduates arrested for murder and I have had graduates be the targets of successful murderers. Emotions run high along with vindictiveness.
I just saw this, and I am reminded of a guy I went to college with who joined the Marine Corps at 18, served for 12 years, and went to college to become a teacher. We had a couple of classes together, and as we were both adults attending college, we had a number of conversations about current events. This was several years after Columbine happened, and not many people were discussing arming teachers, but the rare times it came up, he was vehemently opposed to it. And one of his reasons was exactly what Beau suggested - those teachers would have to go through the kind of training the Marine Corps had put him through, and NOBODY could ever know, because that would effectively put a target on them. That seemed like such an obvious problem when he told me that, it still sticks with me all these years later. Thank you Beau for presenting the facts this way, because unfortunately too many people don't see why arming teachers is a bad idea.
Senario, Body count 15 students 5 killed with friendly fire by the teacher in the heat of battle.
My wife is a teacher and she loves her children and would probably sacrifice herself for them, but she does not have the constitution to take another life. We are a gun family and she knows how to shoot, but she just couldn't do it. The fear of shooting an innocent person would paralyze her. Good video Beau, thanks for all you do. I wish more of my Trump-fan friends would listen to your words.
This is always the first thing that pops into my head when someone tries to say teachers should be armed. How many teachers have it in them to take a life, even in the defense of other lives? The type of person who makes a good teacher most likely would not have the type of personality that would allow them to do this. Especially if it's one of their students.
It’s easier to have metal detectors on campus.
Notice the boys don't target the armed resource officers first. It would be strictly voluntary for teachers to be armed. If they're not allowed to be armed for self defense then Teachers must then stand and wait their turn to be shot while some boy raised by his mother shoots his classmates.
@@bobbyharper8710 What does being raised by a single mother have to do with it? I was raised by a single mother and I'm not violent at all.
@@rowanmcclantoc5418 What does being raised by a single mother have to do with it? I don't know but an alarming number of recent school shooters were raised by women only. www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/02/27/of_27_deadliest_mass_shooters_26_of_them_were_fatherless_435596.html
Once again Beau tells the reality of a situation that armchair warriors need to hear.
Not really
@@lee14631 not even close
@@blankslate6590 armed teachers have stopped school shootings. Gun free zones need to be abolished
@@lee14631 He's a gun owner who believes in protecting himself but he's against a teacher doing the same. He has no valid points whatsoever, not even one. Although the threat of a student grabbing the gun is concerning, that can be deterred by having a zero tolerance policy on any physical contact with teachers, which should already be practiced.
@@blankslate6590 how will a student even know which teachers are conceal carrying since the gun is concealed
3 years later this is still gold.
if big, burly,armed, so-called trained cops failed and were too cowardly to enter the school and kill a shooter why would you expect teachers with a classroom full of scared students to do???
Because the shooter is coming to them.
Be nice not to have an empty hand.
imminent need for self preservation.
I'm a former law enforcement officer, a veteran that was an Explosive Ordnance Disposal Specialist with two trips to Iraq. Let me explain to you what will happen if you arm teachers.
This isn't an action movie and you aren't Rambo. You aren't going to save the day if a shooter shows up to your school. All of your bravado that "you're packin' heat" isn't going to mean a hell of beans when the shooting starts. There is a reason that cops, that practice with their firearms and go to work every single day knowing the danger get into shooting situations and suddenly, all that training goes out the window. They fire 41 bullets and MAYBE they hit 4 or 5 of them. MAYBE. And you then hear how a civilian got shot instead of the suspect. You know what that Billy Bad Ass armed teacher is going to do? They are going to kill students. Period. The shooting will start, Billy Bad Ass is going to start firing bullets, and even more kids are going to die.
That's reality.
Even people who are trained, who do dangerous jobs every single day, get scared when bullets start flying. The adrenalin hits you, you lose your ability to think straight, you lose your ability to focus, and your aim goes to shit. Only the most hardened of combat veterans can keep that level of cool when bullets start flying.
No amount of delusional daydream fantasies of being Rambo is going to change this fact.
Thanks for your insight into this terrible problem in our schools. Adding more hot lead to the chaos ultimately multiplies the chances of innocent deaths. Meaningful gun control laws and truly responsible gun ownership will do much more to benefit our youth. No civilians have honest need for assault weapons or similar professional/institutional weapons designed only to kill multiple human beings.
There was an onliine discussion among active members wondering why people can't bring their personal side arms on base to keep in their barracks, since, you know, they are soldiers and trained and stuff. LOL. Most guys thought that was the stupidest suggestion ever, since they actually live on base and know what some idiots get like in the barracks when they have too much free time to get up to $#it.
Gawd, I was in the reserves and I remember hearing that "Gord" pulled a Browning HiPower and pointed it out the window at a driver in the next lane of the busiest highway in Toronto, because Gord wanted to change lanes in the 3/4 ton NOW. It was probably empty and if it wasn't it would have been blanks he held back after the out of town exercise, but geez.
As a vet myself, I do agree; however, what is the latter solution?
What can we do to prevent school shootings? Off the top of my head, I would think the first move would be to immediately pass a bill for security funding for all campuses in this country. We just sent billions of dollars to Ukraine, there is NO EXCUSE why we can't send money to OUR OWN CHILDREN's safety. Next step would be to locate and probably seal all entries to schools and centralize that into one. It sucks but it's a safety precaution so the shooter can't sneak onto campus without having to first bypass a metal detector with armed security that's specifically trained to engage with said potential shooter. I know some parents will cry and say they don't want their kids exposed to this type of environment, but they have to realize it's the same thing when you go to the courthouse or a bank. We protect our politicians and money, why not our children? Just my two cents.
@@JurassicCarnage
The solution, at least to start, is simple; start banning certain guns, expanded magazines, modifications, etc.
But that won't happen because the politicians, namely GOP, have been bought off by the NRA for decades to NOT do it.
That is WHY their ONLY answer is, "hey, get MORE guns into hands of people!"
@@JurassicCarnage The split second you pull out that "we sent $ to Ukraine" shit, you've lost the argument. It has nothing to do with Ukraine, but every conservative and half the dumb left pulls that shit out to justify whatever they want done. Has nothing to do with Ukraine. NOTHING. In the first place, we aren't sending wads of cash to Ukraine. We're sending equipment we already have. A lot of it old. All of it surplus to our needs. For another thing, the government always has as much money as they feel like spending. Always. That's not the point.
So, lets analyze your suggestions. I spent 21 years in the Army, including 3 combat tours. I'm a mom. And I've worked in an old school building when I counseled probationers for the county. So, I think I have a fair ability to assess these suggestions. YMMV.
You cannot seal all entries at many, if not most, schools. Most are made up of numerous buildings, not just one. Personnel and students need to move freely between these buildings. If you could seal them, you run into the problem of probably sealing the killer in with half the kids, while the adults who could help are locked out. Good job. Now, I'm not saying you should seal MOST entrances. You can and should. But you can't seal all of them. And you shouldn't. Look at this latest shooting. Cops stood around waiting for the principal to arrive to unlock the front door. it was sealed. the bad guy had gone in the open back door. This is the exact situation I am warning of, and I didn't even need that example to have made that critique in the past. Here's ther other thing. You gonna seal all the windows, too? Because a bad guy can get in by window, if the door is closed. Problem is, you start sealing windows, you are going to kill all the kids and teachers who make their egress that way. so you can't seal doors and windows. You can't, and you shouldn't. You CAN put in video cameras and have someone in the office monitoring those cameras. Maybe that armed guard you want. Just monitor the entrances and exits, and provide rescuers up to date information if an intruder does enter.
Ever been to the airport? Why does everyone hate metal detectors so much? THE LINE. There will be a line of utterly unprotected kids waiting to get wanded/screened in for the shooter to mow down like grass. Will the intruder be stopped? No, he'll shoot the attendant at the metal detector first. Sneak in? They don't sneak in. In every one of these cases, they just walked in, or shot their way in. If they really want to sneak in, they won't be coming the way you expect them to. Kids have been sneaking shit by those entryway screenings for years now. They are a pointless waste of time and money that make adults feel good, ruin kids' days, and do not add to the safety of the school at all. Some schools have started removing them, for these very reasons.
No bank I've ever been in has metal detectors. None. Even in Afghanistan. Even in St. Louis and Chicago. Don't know where you've been banking. There are no kids to traumatize in a bank. And banks don't run shooter drills with customers. And WE don't defend banks at all. The BANK spends their money protecting their customers, more so than the cash. Many bank branches don't even HAVE much cash to protect. They're worried about the people, not the cash. Banks have insurance for the cash. The courthouse has to be more secure because the people coming there are KNOWN to be criminals, often of the worst sort, and the people likely to put them in prison, plus a few very upset victims. They are absolutely the most dangerous touch point between dangerous people in a hghly emotionally charged situation. And even they don't ALWAYS have such extreme security measures. I've visited a few court houses that had NO screening, and only a couple of elderly guards. If parents cry, you LISTEN to them. Because those are THEIR kids. Not ours. THEIRS. We protect our kids not just during shootings, but 365 days a year, from COVID, asbestos, bad teachers, and people who would traumatize them out of best intentions, as well as from bullets.
If children were as valued as firearms, I think the problem might be solved.
@first last We see that coming full circle with covid. Trumpists can't accept masks because it requires them to care about someone else and believe it kills their individuality.
They are. At least up until the moment they're born. At that point, they're sacrificial lambs for our 2nd Amendment right.
Let’s take a moment to honor the sacrifice of our brave school children who lay down their lives to protect our right to bear arms.
Sounds great, but 2A trumps your right to life for far too many people.
@@jasonblake49 ...that's just an "extremely late-term" abortion, via AR-15. As it turns out, conservatives are pro-abortion after all.
Speaking as a teacher, the idea of arming teachers is genuinely stupid, for one simple reason.
There is no way to keep a firearm secure in a classroom. Doesn't matter if the desk is locked. Doesn't matter if it's kept on your person. There's 30-40 people in that room who are genuinely too ignorant to know how their actions would be a problem getting into your stuff that are entirely willing to circumvent things like locks, or going through your coat when you're not looking, or even picking your pocket. Maybe MOST of them wouldn't cross that line, but it only takes one of them to cross it for it to become a problem.
Plus, as beau alluded to, once the dickless morons (acab) show up, they’re just going to do the only thing they know how to do, shoot first and ask questions never.
Just have a gun safe in the classroom in case of an emergency open the safe. Doesn’t seem all that complicated
I used to be a 13 year old boy, and at the time most of my friends were 13 year old boys, and some of then were a**holes... Busting into a teachers Gun locker would have been THE COOLEST S**T EVER
@@davidkramp1829 Yes it will be an interesting exercise in stress training trying to remember a combination you don't use every day while bullets a whistling around your head. What is wrong with you people? A teacher will probably have to shoot 1000 rounds a week to keep up proficiency because they won't have the luxury of missing and perhaps hitting one of the students running around in panic. Good guy with a gun? Same deal - at least 1000 rounds a week as well as additional hostage situation training. Is the NRA going to stump up and fund all of this?
@@samuraiartguy did you know how to crack a safe when you were 13. I kinda feel like you didn’t but maybe I’m not giving you enough credit. It’s not exactly easy to get into a gun safe if you don’t have the code
Here's something else insane....liability. Who's liable for a student accidentally injured or killed by an armed teacher? Who's liable for students killed by an intruder that the armed teacher didn't shoot before anyone was shot? The teacher? The school? The board? Insurance companies will make profits, blame the teacher, or the school administrators and try not to pay claims. This is one of the dumbest ideas ever.
Ahhhh... the one thing we - collectively - weigh more than the life of schoolchildren... the almighty dollar.
The American approach to education. Lunch program no too expensive, keep the library open 5 days a week no too expensive, classroom supplies no too expensive, enough desk for the students no too expensive. Bullets for teachers hell yes lets throw unlimited money at that one.
glen1arthur this is what happens when conservatives get elected anywhere.
Our problem is that some of our school districts have money coming out their ears and others have no books or climate control.
THANK YOU FOR THIS CONTENT. My fathers eyes have never lit up with any other CZcams or online commentator like they did seeing you broadcast from a garage. I couldn’t get through the reinforced gun narratives he has been fed through the culture all his life. I won’t say more, but it’s clear how much representation matters. My dad needed someone who looked like one of his buddies before he would fully engage with the content.
I think your comment holds an important key to this problem. As emotional and genuine as Chris Murphy's (D- Conn.) speech was, he's still an east coast liberal. Beau is more relatable.
I have been in some hairy, life threatening situations. If I had a gun, I would probably be dead. Once a gun is pulled on you, you have already lost the opportunity to pull a gun on your assailant. The fact that anyone thinks that an armed 2nd grade teacher could take on one or two 18 year olds armed with an AR-15 is ludicrous. Nobody's reactions are that fast.
Wow this gives me hope.
As a former combat soldier with multiple deployments that included CQB against multiple experienced threats with fully automatic weapons, it seems like a teacher with similar experience could make short work of a couple of pissy teenagers with AR's.
And that there are a bumper crop of such teachers in our schools these days.
I am opposed to strapping up Ms. Birkenstocks the home ec teacher and agree that the level of training needed to be even minimally effective is prohibitively expensive, especially for our horribly under funded schools.
I don't know if allowing the teachers that are already possessed with 10's if not 100's of thousands of dollars of professional soldiering skills and tactical training to be armed would be a viable option, perhaps being able to contain if not eliminate such threats, while the authorities are still ramping up.
It seems reasonable superficially, but I'm not convinced, as a school full of panicky kids is outside of my bubble.
I'd really like to hear the opinions on such an option from other two way range professionals, especially those who are also teachers.
I am generally aligned with Beau on everything I've seen him cover, including this topic, but he didn't mention the combat veteran teachers that would negate most of the valid issues he mentioned regarding purely civilian teachers.
Opening a discussion on this topic could go a long way toward influencing which way those of us sitting on the fence decide to go.
Any input will be appreciated.
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Hooah?
@@satanicmicrochipv5656 As an educator, trust me…. We really should not have to be presented with the prospect of possibly having to shoot a student. It goes against everything we do every single day. We already do way more jobs than just teach…. pseudo-parent, nurse, counselor, psychologist, referee, behavior specialist, coach, mentor, cheerleader, event coordinator, janitor, waitress, mind reader, judge, and jury…. the list goes on and on. This is a reality that teachers accept and embrace for the love of the students before them. However, when will we stop adding to teachers already full plates? The love we bear our students - as witnessed during the various fatal tragedies involving school shootings - will always prevail in the face of danger. We will always do our best to protect your children, but we do not want to have to do this by wearing yet another hat and wielding a weapon.
@@abouttimeforarevolution241
Understood.
I've been given responsibilities outside of my training and teen aged cognitive skill set, in life and death situations psychologically stressful on a level beyond description.
I wouldn't want to put anyone through that experience.
Conversely, my brothers and I were the only option in those situations and we stepped up and did our best.
I'm not proposing that inexperienced civilian teachers should be strapped up and expected to charge into a hot one, just that there may be teachers who already have the skills and presence of mind for this type situation already on board and a flick of the switch away.
I know that if I was a teacher and had the tools, that I wouldn't hesitate to head down range, possessed of the skills to contain, if not eliminate the threats with the psychological advantage of being long resigned to death.
I've done it innumerable times without batting an eyelash.
And there's a bumper crop of similar people leading civilian lives.
So many that the chances of at least one being on the staff at your school are higher than you may imagine, unless you're a math teacher.
I'm a surveyor now, and you can't swing a dead cat on a project without hitting a combat veteran.
And these individuals wouldn't need to worry about an added duty, because it's their primary duty with the duties of teaching added on to it.
It takes a lot of training, practice and ultimately experience not to lose your sh!t when the steel starts snapping around you.
I pissed my pants on my first date.
The kooks that commit these atrocities will lose their sh!t with 99% certainly the second their in the same space with someone that won't flinch under fire and regardless if the kook is tagged or not, he won't be doing anymore damage.
And that could mean a lot of lives saved, especially considering the hesitation of the police.
81 minutes in Texas.
It could have been 5 minutes.
One teacher with the skill, mindset and tooling could have made a world of difference to that town.
I have a hard time trying to convince myself other wise and haven't heard a realistic alternative that would have the same effect.
That's why I ask around.
This type of thing doesn't happen anywhere else, even in countries with more guns per capita than the U.S., like Austria.
And not all but many of the proposed ways of preventing these events seem like wishful thinking that won't reduce the casualty numbers and only penalize, disarm and/or criminalize otherwise law abiding citizens, while having no effect on the actual criminals.
There a lot of people saying the good guy with a gun is a myth and I suppose for the most part it is, but I can also link you to hundreds upon hundreds of videos right here on CZcams where it's factual reality.
Sometimes the good guy loses, but it's exceptionally rare.
They usually end with the bad guys running for their lives empty handed, being captured or getting kicked off the planet.
Bans will only negate that % of events and bring the bad guy success rate up to 100%.
The average response time for law enforcement to arrive on site is 8 to 12 minutes.
That means half of the time they take more than 12 minutes and usually take an additional 5 to 10 minutes to assess the situation before taking action.
Just sit without distraction and count off 10 minutes while imagining 1 or more armed people (bats, hammers, machetes, pointy sticks) breaking into you home with evil intent that doesn't involve robbery.
Do you think the cops are going to protect you and your family?
The police are retroactive and can't do anything until after a crime has been committed.
Inherently the police are only capable of retroactively protecting the community at large against those that have already committed a crime and are running free.
They are utterly incapable of protecting the individuals within that community by their very nature.
Therefore the individual has two options...
1) Submit to the mercy of your criminally corrupt attacker.
2) Take responsibility to arm and protect yourself.
If a bad guy only wants your wallet, then 1) might work, give him your wallet and hope he goes away.
Hopefully you just feel victimized, but alive and well, the bad guy is stoked and emboldened to commit more crimes
Turns out, crime does pay.
But if he want's to commit violence, then it's a matter of what scale you and those with you are going to endure.
However, 2) presents the bad guy with the high possibility of real physical trauma or death, giving him pause to reevaluate whether your wallet is worth collecting a bunch of holes for and will give the same consideration for every wallet from then on.
If the bad guy want's to commit violence, 2) provides the only possibility of successfully saving the day.
If 2) fails to save the day, you just go back to 1).
You've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.
The anti-gun camp says "the solution to the gun problem, isn't more guns.", but historically, more guns have actually worked, when guns became a problem.
I've always thought those towns that made carrying a gun the law were ludicrous and still do, but there's no denying how those laws effected the crime rate.
They have no crime rate.
Just as the only thing that has ever maintained peace throughout history, is being well prepared for war.
Peace through superior firepower.
Yeah, that really sucks.
But until human nature changes, that's the world we live in.
Hammers and nails.
Sorry this ran a little long.
I do appreciate your response and agree with you in regards to adding combat arms to a teachers duties.
But when the teacher come with 100's of thousands of dollars in world leading top of the line tactical training, recognize it as the rare and valuable resource it is.
And believe me when I say that being all trained up without a means of exercising that demon is a form of PTSD.
The teachers who live with that demon will benefit from giving it a job, especially one so critical.
I exercise mine through mil-sim gaming and belong to a group of combat vets including U.S. Army, Marines, Air Force SOF, A Navy SEAL, Coast Guard Tac, Some Australian and British Army and Royal Navy Marines, one from NZ, some German military, a couple israelis and a former Afghan military interpreter.
It's been very beneficial to all of us.
My VA rep suggested airsoft mil-sim so I tried that for awhile, it was fun and soothed the beast, but after the 3rd time having cops show up with real guns some of the fun wore off, so my rep suggested video game mil-sim.
I was offered a job with DoD after the Army as a tactical security GS# and was posted to a NATO facility in Germany.
That made for a smooth transition, being half military and half civilian.
Cake job waiting for WW3, great bennys, but ultimately boring AF.
Ok, I'm finished for real this time.
Thanks for the response.
I'm open for further conversation.
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Had to come find this great video today. From 3 YEARS AGO, that makes so many great points.
"You need to be better trained than the average cop." That is just an unfairly low standard to put forth.
I come from a family of teachers (I'd be fourth generation if I took a teaching job) & there's another perspective that a lot of people don't take into account. It's not just everything Beau laid out here... ask any teacher how easy it is to keep a secret from their students... ask them how long they can conceal something in their room without any student ever finding or asking questions about it. If you've got a gun or even a bullet proof filing cabinet, they're gonna figure it out -- probably a lot more quickly than you would imagine.
It gets even worse if you teach young kids & carrying a gun. If you're teaching kids younger than the age of 10, there isn't an inch on your body that those kids aren't touching on a daily basis. That's just the way that little kids are. Sooner or later, some kid is gonna get a hand on that gun -- so ask yourself, are you prepared for that? Because it will happen.
Guns in schools is a whole pile of trouble that you just don't want.
S#it. We even knew where several of our teachers lived and the names of male teachers' girlfriends or wives, plus if they were seeing someone on the side or in an affair with a student. There wasn't much that eventually didn't get out. None of the above was of interest to me but it gets passed around.
I teach first grade. I’m holding 3 kids a day at any given moment. And hugs are constant. Playing in my hair, holding my hand, wrapping their arms around me as they drag along. I mean you name it. I even have kids who grab my boobs and butt because they don’t understand personal space.
@@Angel-st6uf ohhh they know they're just taking opportunity while they're young lol jk
Vice did a report on arming teachers and one school district has them running swat like drills and the incompetence level was unfortunately predictable.
Well if the history teacher didn’t bring a musket to the drill it probably would have been better.
Just kidding, arming teachers is a fucking stupid idea.
Imagine my complete lack of surprise. Lol. It's a whole lot harder than it looks.
I hate to always bring race into it but. Im a large black guy, il be god dammed if imma have a gun pulled durring a school shooting when cops from every city in the area are coming to put down a threat lol. Id be the first one shot.
@@palley253 Love and peace to you. I'm sorry for this horrible truth.
Brief clip of the storyczcams.com/video/SN2gUwhucqo/video.html
The same people suggesting that teachers be armed and thus responsible for the security of a firearm and, in the event of an incident, be extremely accurate with their marksmanship are the same people who have demonstrated a distrust for the teacher's ability to select reading materials for their classrooms and school libraries!!
It's when Beau says "this is America today" near the end ...
That was America 3 years ago and from the outside looking in let's face it, it's going to be the America in 3 years from now.
And probably 30 years from now.
Beau,
My wife teaches High School. She is 5' 2" and 140lbs. What happens when the star defensive lineman who is 6'5" and weighs 270lbs over powers my wife takes the firearm she was issued and uses it against her and everyone else. What happens when my wife full of nerves and adrenaline has to make a split second decision in a room or hallway filled with chaos and either shoots the wrong student or misses the threat and accidentally shoots a non hostile?
Bottom line. If my wife wanted to take down bad guys she would've joined the police or military. She is non violent and non confrontational by nature, why should she be forced to play security guard. She is already expected to be an educator, a social worker, a counselor, a food bank and a whole host of other things. They get so much peripheral training that content training is already sorely neglected
No kidding. We are expecting most women to be CQC experts lol? Not to mention most of the teachers I know aren't in their prime. We expect CQC experts out of 50 year old women with no combat experience and probably not even in physical shape? My history teacher was in his 70's! He's going to out shoot a kid with a rifle or shotgun in CQC ? That's some damn high expectations.
That's a shitty argument because the entire premise of arming teachers is not forcing anybody who does not feel up to it. Volunteers only, and only after heavy vetting and processing.
thesweatleaf lack of heavy vetting is impossible. Shooting drills during the summer?
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I don't think it's a "shitty" argument, and calling it that is rather subjective. But let's operate under your stated premise that it would be volunteers only, and only have heavy vetting and processing (Rather vague).
Would these teacher volunteers be given a firearm, or expected to provide their own? You certainly couldn't leave the training part up to them, that would need to be a standardized course, monitored and funded by the school district or the state. How would this be funded? Are we raising taxes? I don't know where you are from, but I am from Maryland and there are Baltimore City Schools that can't afford heat in the winter or A/C in the summer. In some the water is unsafe to drink from the fountains. Forget the fact that students are using outdated text books and teachers have to purchase their own classroom supplies. I just don't see how it would get funded.
Let's say the details all get ironed out. Now there is an active shooter in the building. Armed teacher, or teachers are moving about the school trying to neutralize the shooter. At the same time police are also entering the building. How do they know if it's an armed teacher or the active shooter. During an active shooter drill it is the responsibility of each teacher to get his or her class to safety. Who is now responsible for the students when that teacher is involved in engaging the shooter?
What if the armed teacher gets jumped in the hall by three or four students and their sidearm gets taken?
I spent 9 years in the military. We trained every day for combat situations. Teachers need to be trained in subject matter and teaching methods. Testing formats and how teachers are evaluated is constantly changing. How often would these volunteers realistically get CQC training? Two, maybe three times a year? Not nearly enough. To me there are too many negatives to justify the inherent risk in putting even more guns in schools.
Chris Hansen imho, I think that we could start by getting rid of this particular gun free zone. I would not want it regulated the way you describe. I hear your points though. The fact that I’m required by law to disarm when I pick up my kids is ridiculous.
Thank you. I'm neither a gun enthusiast nor a teacher, so my interest is strictly in "what's the best public policy." Your vlog provides a type of information on this issue that you really don't hear anywhere else, and it is detailed enough to make you really think about what's involved.
I saw this first through my Facebook link to your page, and shared it there. Several of my relatives are teachers or former teachers, and lots of them are parents. I'm hoping some of them provide their thoughts on what you've said. It did make for interesting breakfast conversation with my husband, already.
As both a teacher and a gun hobbyist (not quite enthusiast), you're right, arming teachers is 1000% a terrible idea. I would say with conviction that's the case with zero exceptions. There's a million reasons why, but one of the few Beau didn't talk about is time.
Teachers are known for working significant time outside the school day. Even if we didn't plan or grade a second outside school we work full 40 hour weeks. Are we going to expect our already overworked teachers to commit extra hours to become trained in the second career of first responder? Plus, who's going to pay for that training? I don't think most taxpayers will be thrilled by their taxes going up.
Training in the summer won't cut it either. That alone won't be enough time - by February I barely remember if I went on any trips over the summer, I certainly wouldn't be able to run through an assault course effectively without continuing training. Plus paying for the training is still an issue. Contrary to popular belief, we aren't paid for the summer months. Sure we can choose to divide our paychecks out in 24 installments, but at least in my state we're only compensated for the time we're contracted to be in the schools.
Not to mention the countless other problems. Managing hundreds of kids a day and also a firearm, a kid inevitably getting their hands on a gun, the fact that an active shooter is likely to be a student and the psychological implications of a teacher having to engage them... The list goes on.
So yeah, long story short, you're right. Arming teachers is a horrible idea, full stop.
As someone who just thought "why can't we arm teachers?" during this horrific af shooting we're experiencing right now, your video did a lot to inform me good reasons why we shouldn't. I don't own a gun, and I don't know what any of that is like, but your argument here is a very good one and got me to understand better. Thank you for educating me and others on this topic and giving us a new perspective on it.
His arguments are a bit political, but as a somewhat experienced shooter, the real showstopper is - you don't have time to react. Even if the gun is on you, loaded and ready, you have to be a world class shooter to switch from teaching to safely eliminating a psycho with a gun who just entered the room and immediately started shooting. Oh, and all that - done in a room full of panicked children running for cover. I doubt even SF guys would have a high success rate in that scenario.
@@OnE61811301 Umm... what about when there is a lockdown, you know there is a shooter somewhere in the building and you're barricaded in the room. Now you have time to prepare.
Not only giving guns to teacher is ridiculous but, one thing that is never talked about is that if we expect teachers to put their lives on the line, they should be paid consequently. At this moment, we don't even recognize their contribution as teacher, or make a proper assessment of the current risks involved in their profession (other form of violence or intimidation by both kids and parents).
teachers should be paid as much as doctors
@@sonle7019
This is the biggest paradox.
We ask teacher and day care workers to take care of the most important thing to most people, our children, but we don't that their work should be paid consequently. The fact that these positions have been historically fulfil by women made it even worst.
OMG! I have been there. We even have 2 metal detectors and two security officers. But it did not stop the parent going straight into my room. Good I was not there. My poor student teacher got the wrath of the parent. Good the angry parent did not have a gun. My principal was so outraged of what happened.
I already do like 5 different incredibly important jobs in my job working in special Ed, and I’m living on the poverty line…. I have to be a psychologist, teacher, conflict mediator, a positive trusted presence, a researcher, a delegator for the adults who feel lost in our SPED classroom because of how much goes into it, a pseudo parent, a secretary, and constantly improvising with an unpredictable set of demands inside of our severely understaffed district/SPED department while the students and their lists of needs keep growing.
I would protect my students as best as I could, but when I can’t even afford to treat myself and eat at a restaurant, why should I also have to lay my life on the line?
@@abouttimeforarevolution241 Amen! Amen! 🙏🙏🙏
A friend of mine is a teacher. Sweet guy, loud voice, very gregarious. He's also a large, black man. If the cops attend an active shooter scene to find two guys with guns and one of them looks like the guy I just described, who do you think they're going to see as the threat?
This is not complicated. When the cops arrive and you are armed, you secure your weapon, put it on the ground and raise your hands, good guy or no.
One other thing Beau, when/if the kids find out you're the teacher with a gun, you are going to be the one they run to for protection. So add getting mobbed by terrified students to equation.
No, not likely.
Or ones that will scheme to disarm the teacher
I agree. More guns means more death.
As a retired Gunnery Sergeant 20 yrs recon , you literally took the words out of my mouth. Awesome work explaining reality
As a high school teacher, and a long time viewer, thank you for addressing this topic and laying it out there that arming us teachers isn't the solution.
We are already under funded and undersupported without adding anything else to our plate or responsibilities.
I can't believe this is 3 years old and yet still super relevant.
As a Brit who has loved the whole idea of America for most of my life I was beginning to give up on America, really couldn't find anything that could stop me falling into despair about what we're being told America is becoming; then I found Beau...... Thank you Beau
This is the most stressed and emotional video I have seen Beau make.
I assume that most teachers enter the field to help kids because its not for the pay or get the respect of the parents.
I am not sure if this is beneficial to add for any teachers to also consider but it might be so on that chance i will.
If a student does start something, odds are its going to be a student that you, as a teacher will know, for a fact, has a hard life, a kid you probably have lots of sympathy for. A Kid that is bullied. A Kid that is possibly abused at home. Is your first instinct going to be to kill or to plead. If its the later then do not get a firearm. If you think that you will hesitate, that you will want to talk the Kid down, then the best you can do is protect your students by locking down the room/hall or evacuating whichever is best in the circumstances.
Thank you Beau for this. Guns do not belong in an educated learning facility, period! We are not at boot camp people where teachers are soldiers at war! The "war" that's been going on in our communities are organizations like ALEC that slither like deadly snakes in our communities promoting the reduction of our community budgets to bits and one of those budgets is our public schools that republicans in office are trying to exterminate! And instead have the taxpayer's funds siphoned towards the charter schools more which has a non-government, non-accountable curriculum that's preferred by a select high privileged lot such as hedge managers and brokers who have an investment in these profit making charter schools! It's despicable really. And just maybe if our communities didn't also cut down the budgets to our social departments that care and help children and adults with mental issues, we wouldn't see so much harm happening to us in public such as in Sandy Hook case where a child was not well mentally and look at the devastating damage he did. Not his fault but the fault of budgets irresponsibly slashed to nothing not caring about society's ills. You're right, Beau. How can these people have the nerve to mention they want an "arsenal" budget when they can't even afford a pencil? This is so unreal and pathetic. A wealthy country like ours that can't come up with a dime for a pencil! I don't see any God damn American pride in this at all! Stop cutting the budgets, fund the schools properly including teacher's salaries and appreciate what they're doing for our children! If we believe in caring for the unborn and the life of our children as we say we do, then we will invest in their education and I mean education for ALL of them not just the top 1% privileged elite. And what are the chances that a teacher can shoot straight or not when he or she is focused on education with the children at the moment and then has to switch mental gears into military mode to kill? Constantly being on guard would be more added stress than they are already going through trying to keep a classroom in order. Friendly fire happens when that armed teacher accidentally shoots the wrong person or wounding a child in the brain only to become paralyzed for life and that teacher has to live with that tormented guilt for the rest of their lives. There should be nothing but love and trust in our public schools and for the NRA to promote the violent use of weapons and putting our teachers in danger and added stress that can kill them in our schools is nothing but a system of evil! Our schools are filled only with love, trust, and care for our children and parents do have a right to be protected FROM a deadly weapon that has more of the POTENTIAL of killing a child or person because of the danger involved with a loaded gun. And let's don't forget the chances of a child finding a gun and shooting himself/herself in the head. Must parents be worried about this scenario as well? You know, there could be ten surgeons in the same operating room and the patient can still fall off the operating table. You can never be too safe. Fund our public schools properly as they should be just like we fund the military budgets with no problem, no question, no hurdles and we'll see a big difference. Thank you for reading this. Sorry it was long but had to say as a concerned citizen for the safety of our children. God bless our loving and devoted teachers!
You make excellent points and this is a topic that needs some length to explore with any depth at all. In California, it costs the state around $250,000 per child to incarcerate a juvenile. Imagine just for a moment how spending even a small fraction of that money on things that would make that child’s life better? Safe housing, food security, warm clothing, decent medical care including supportive mental health peer counseling, interaction with growing plants, nurturing animals, camping in nature, what are the odds of that child ending up a mass shooter or even incarcerated? Think any of that might change their life for the better? Me, too.
I know a lot of school teachers. The idea you could get some of the people I know to be effective gun warriors is laughable. Most people go into education because they believe in ideas changing minds, not force. Most teachers are women, likely more women than men. My ex wife is a school teacher. She is a kind and very sweet 5’2” tall teacher of third grade. The idea of her responding to a violent shooter by grabbing a gun is unimaginable. She is a terrific teacher, but I know she could never do that. She knows it too. That’s why she went into teaching, where doing something like that is as far from her imagination as possible. That’s the problem with arming teachers .
Right and most school shooters are kids themselves so imagine the inner turmoil. Could even be a previous student of theirs.
Black Students are going to have the same issue with police violence in a classroom if this happens, amazing idea
The simple fact that we need to have this conversation breaks my heart. Thank you, Beau, for being an honest and sane voice. Thank you for not sugar coating real issues to make people feel better about themselves and the state in which we find ourselves. Thank you for starting conversations that we need to have, especially the ones we shy away from.
As former teacher, I know I couldn't have carried a gun into my classroom for a whole host of reasons, mostly because I'm not sure I would be able to shoot to kill another person. Although never having been in that situation, I don't know maybe I could have. I hope that I will never have to find out. I hope that we can find a solution that doesn't involve turning teachers into trained killers.
Police: "he's armed with an Ar 15 we have to wait for swat even though we're all supposed to be highly trained, we all wear vests, and have guns"
Also police: "we need to start arming teachers."
I have found it difficult to get decent or good at what I do over 40+ years. Now you have to be exceptional at a very hard task, teaching. Now achieve tactical skill level and mental state of a warrior. Sounds practical.
I’m a mom of a disabled child, I absolutely don’t want teacher having guns in their classes! They were made to teach, not become SEAL teachers. Love your vids
Why can’t more people get this?
Because propaganda.
This is liberal response to a the conservative excuse of keeping right to bear arms. Fighting with facts is stupid. Conservatives want to keep guns regardless. The best approach is to have metal detectors everywhere and cameras. Welcome to the surveillance state.
@@NotShowingOff this is the only time I'm going to say this here, but you're right THIS IS a Liberal response but the "liberals" you were thinking of when you made your statement aren't the ones who would or could make this type of statement hell they're not even real Liberals, as for the people you thinking of, their reasoning for why arming teachers is a bad idea is because "guns are bad" and that's it, no forward thought, no rationality, no true reasoning, just "guns are bad".
@@toxic1698 - I'm liberal. I own two guns. I don't know if I could ever shoot anybody. Arming teachers is a far more complicated issue than many people think. I posted a link to a blog post that discusses all the questions and issues that MUST be addressed before teachers are taught to shoot so much as Nerf guns or water pistols.
Your straw liberal is courtesy of Fox and the Far Right. They seem to want their guns, no matter what, no matter who gets hurt, and regard any laws regulating guns as unconscionable infringements on their rights. So they find a few emotional people who don't want to know about guns, are scared of guns and gun owners, and hold these twats up as 'typical' liberals.
I think because, those who dont understand the actual finality of what it means to arm, defend, and shoot to kill.
I'm a public school teacher and I'd never thought about most of the things Beau is saying. Very thought-provoking. Beau knows his sh--.
Was just pointed to this video from Reddit. You make such good sense. Thanks for explaining then reality of what a teacher would have to do.
Man, when you said “you need to become a warrior,” everything that you said in your video about police militarization popped into my mind. How many teachers are going to see themselves as warriors without knowing what it means to be a warrior? And once armed teachers becomes a thing, how many would-be warriors is the job going to attract?
I’m a teacher, and if you put a gun in my hand, I don’t even know how much time I’m going to spend posing with it in front of the bathroom mirror. But I’m pretty sure that it will be enough time to make everyone who knows me disappointed in me. Even once I calm down and start taking things seriously, I’m not going to be able to put in all of that training. Time spent at the range is time not spent grading or planning lessons.
Exactly. Teachers don't have the time for all the gun training when there is grading and new lesson plans to make. Not to mention they have families they want to spend time with when not teaching.
I hear ya. As i replied elsewhere, “Sorry y’all, field trip is cancelled. It’s Range Day…”
I have owned a gun and had the conversation with a friend about pointing it outside my home if something was happening. At that time I knew I did not have the training or experience to use it in that situation. Now if it was someone breaking into my apartment. Very different story. You made very great points, I wish the right wingers understood them.
@Zangief The Red no, I mean if I was inside my apartment and someone tried to break in.
@Zangief The Red ok 😂
You know shit's gone wrong when you start building your schools like prisons.
I plumbed a middle school last year that they built with offset hallways and very conspicuous steel obfuscation drop gates around the lunchroom. Horrifying, the war-hawk mindset of the people in power
Well, that was terrifying.
I'd guess most advocates of the "armed teachers" concept (NRA big fishes?) don't understand or care about the reality behind that idea. Thank you for uploading.
They’re all big John Wayne fans
They know. They just don't care. More guns for teachers = more $ for them.
NRA only cares about selling more guns. They don't even care about 2A any further than it sells more guns. It's just like any other trade lobby, just far deadlier.
Here’s another part of that equation - building on what you said about the necessary secrecy - this means each armed teacher is only effective once. One time.
All that invested money, time, and other resources for what effectively amounts to a single use half-solution.
One thing I think you got wrong here is that I think they'd find the budget to arm the teachers somehow. Most likely by slashing teacher's salaries, going even cheaper with necessary resources (i.e. new books every 20 years instead of 10), cutting all school clubs and after-school activities except maybe football because that brings in some money, super-sizing class sizes to get rid of teachers, etc. Basically they'd turn schools into cheap mini-prisons just so they could arm the teachers because if there's on thing that you can always make room for in the budget here in 'Murica it's for weapons and/or ways of killing others.
Sadly you are likely right, at least in some areas.
Stupid people believe stupid shit. Stupider people believe stupider shit.
Well educated people (don't believe for one second that the rich are well-educated. Any letters behind their names are usually bought, not earned), while they can be stupid, are usually harder to fool with stupid shit than poorly educated people.
Who would benefit from creating a nation of imbeciles, hmm?
@TheWin200000 thus ensuring no training standards
@TheWin200000 and the training and ammo costs he mentioned? It is a huge difference between owning a gun and firing a few rounds out of it and being capable of making Instant life and death decisions in a high pressure environment. Let me tell you a story about when i used to carry a gun for my job as a security guard. A partner i had on assignment was what we used to call a Barney. Yes, like in Barney Fife. He would talk about guns all the time, pull his gun out on duty just to unload it and reload it, and brag about his speed loader. One of our supervisors, decided to have a requirement to test people on the gun range for safety and accuracy. Once a year you needed to meet him at a range and fire 20 rounds. You didn't need to hit the bullseye, but at least 15 of the 20 needed to hit the target. Usually, we would get together in groups of 3 or 4 so it was convenient for him. In one of these groups with me was Barney. When we were standing at the firing line, we would each fire 5 rounds and then either open the cylinder or remove the magazine and clear the chamber depending on weapon type. Targets were at 15 yards. Barney sucked. He would try rapid fire and miss the target 3 or 4 times out of 5. Then when he was told to retarget after each shot he said that that was not how a "real" shooting happens and he wanted to shoot like it was real. The supervisor said "oh really, ok reload" when he next said fire, he was standing behind Barney and slapped his is hand on the wall and started shouting obscenities and whistling. Not only did Barney miss the target on all shots, he almost dropped the gun while opening the cylinder. The point, as the supervisor then explained, was that in a "real" confrontation, you will be scared, you may have panicked people around you, there may be an alarm going off and flashing lights. In other words you need to make sure that if you have to draw your weapon, that you do not worsen the situation by doing a quick draw and emptying your rounds in a general direction hoping to hit a target. Some people are very good at handling stressful situations and maintaining control of themselves and their weapons. This is a result of massive amounts of training and experience. I doubt there are many of these people in the teaching profession.
@TheWin200000 if only we can develop lock down procedures that work it would help, but it is sad to think that we are the only country on earth that needs to address this problem.
So obvious it is crystal clear! Teachers should not be warriors! They definitely shouldn't have to be!
Too bad. Face the facts that making schools into gun free zones with maybe one guard who's trained to run and hide and wait for backup is an invitation.
Nobody but straw-manning trolls say that we're expecting teachers to be warriors, but simple citizens with concealed carry permits who happen to work in schools.
We have facts on our sides that citizens with concealed carry frequently react and perform better than cops but it's irrelevant because just letting it be known that the school has adults who are trained and armed will prevent an incident in the first place.
3 years later and here we are. Teachers are no longer trusted with books or talking to students but lets give them as many guns as they can carry.
This one was a little hard to sit through but it was a necessity.
It's easy to spout off things like arm the teachers and like you proved it ain't realistic.
@Anthony Yes, Israel also has mandatory military service for it's citizens. Meaning they are getting a combat training. I also want to add that they are armed and trained for outside threats, i.e. Palestinian threats. Your comparison is not comparable.
Anthony, That is not the reason why these batshit crazy white supremacists (fixed it for you) kill students. Just how fast do you think an armed teacher could react against an assault rifle? Are you seriously justifying your bullshit claims by using Israel's laws?
@Ant Squirly, Beau doesn't know WTF he's talking about.
@@GenXMusicMan You obviously don't know what you're talking about. See my comment from a few days ago.
@@curtisg4376 A WELL REGULATED militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Thank you. I was a teacher for several years. I know very little about guns, and have no desire to carry one, at school or otherwise. I appreciate your videos that have taught me things about guns that I didn't know, and I'm grateful for your realistic assessment of the realities of this type of situation. We need more discussion, less propaganda. Thank you
Hypothetically, someone will find the gun in your desk, because sometimes you have to leave the classroom for a personal/family emergency . If an angry student learns of it, he doesn't need to buy a gun because it's already there. He doesn't have to wait until he's 18 to buy it legally. It's a sitting timebomb .
@William Smith, and if you don't have your weapon out when someone with his ready to shoot comes through the dry wall or the door or the window, you get shot. I was on the jury that tried an accessory to murder where the thieves came in with one carrying a gun in his hand and the store owner started to go for his. Also, as a reporter, I covered some cases where everyone, cops and the kid who was trying to commit suicide by cop fired and missed. And in NYC, cops missed trying to a German Shepard coming at them. Keypad-controlled lock box on the wall goes missing -- taking safes and brute forcing them is common enough.
I'm a retired high school teacher. I'm so glad to be free for a variety of reasons. Certainly worrying about getting shot was never truly a main concern. However. I feel for the current teachers. We didn't sign up for the military. We were/are supposed to be educators. Now, teachers are expected to be psychologists, politically neutral, nurses, mediators, and now armed protectors? There's not enough pay for all of that. I'm glad I made it out, albeit a bit broken but free.
Not enough time either. I often pulled 60 hour weeks when I taught High School in the UK, I am assuming it is not dissimilar in the US. So where exactly is a teacher going to get the time to train to the level required to pull off such an action, and just as importantly to maintain that level of edge, because once you are there if you stop training your skill will fade.
@@alganhar1 You know if they start having teachers do this, it'll be a week of in service and then the rest is up to you to fit it in! ☹️
Ty so much for this. I am the DoS of a few private schools, have over a dozen highly trained armed officers protecting them. Every time this conversation comes up it is very difficult to convince them in that scenario the skills needed are on par with sky Marshall training in close quarters marksmanship. It takes many many hours, thousands of rounds worth of training.
Every time this conversation comes up, make them watch this video.
I'm surprised they're in support of this. In that situation everyone with a gun is a potential threat, if I was a security officer I would want less guns in my area. That way the only person shooting is the bad guy and it's much easier to distinguish between innocent people and the shooter. Going in knowing everyone is armed would scare the shit out of me even more so than I'm sure i already would be.
@@ispartacus1337 for the record none of the schools we protect have armed teachers at all. You really have to drill it in though.. One school I took the Principal to the range for a stress shoot to prove the point further.
@@ltspectergc009 that's interesting. Did his views change at all after that?
@@ispartacus1337 very much so. I did everything possible to illuminate the difference between enthusiasm and desire vs training and experience.
Range time and field demonstrations did the job. However, after they signed and we began force on force training on campus over the summer (school faculty, security personnel, and actors) and that sealed the deal for good. At least for that client.
Practical considerations like those you discuss aside, the notion of arming teachers also puts way, way too much faith in the mental stability of teachers. Our house was where kids hung out after school, so I overheard a LOT about the everyday behaviours of some of their teachers - it was pretty alarming and disappointing stuff. Bullying, public humiliation, emotional abuse, surprising amounts of physical violence - and we're talking about schools in an affluent neighbourhood of a Canadian city. I don't mean to slam what is an important and worthy profession nor to paint everyone with one brush but damn, 15% to 20% of the teachers in my kids' "reputable" schools were people who shouldn't be around kids at all, let alone be in charge and armed. Putting guns in teachers' hands means you can pretty much bank on it that kids will get shot by teachers who lose their shit.
My grade school had a teacher lose it. Fortunately she was a smallish woman so the damage was not too great.
I attended a nice Canadian school and we had a handful of absolute nut jobs. My daughter had one in second grade, I happened to know the principal socially and he told me the teacher was a mess, but the union is strong and while she danced daily around the line, she never actually crossed it. I think the teachers who most want to carry guns, would also be the ones most eager to use them, and I don't trust the powers that be, or the system in place to screen and train them.
@@TheKim369 Agreed. Growing up I was fortunate enough to confidently say that 99% of my teachers were honest hardworking decent people. However there was that ONE teacher who taught me about racism early on. I will never forget her. Her name was Mrs.Cowden and she always treated me poorly. I was 8 years old and all my teachers before her were awesome and treated everyone fairly - so naturally I didnt understand why this teacher was so dismissive and/or standoff-ish with me only.
Well one day she shared with the entire class her paranoia regarding brown students in her class ( I was the only person of color ). She regaled us about a recurring nightmare she had that I an 8 year old kid would break into her home armed with a weapon and assault/rob her. I was too young to fully understand how wrong it was of her to say that about me in front of a class of white students. I spoke with my older cousin about it and she later told her mother and her mother later told mine. That's when my parents had to have "the talk" with my brother and I. Nowadays someone would lose their job over that but back in the early 90s in oklahoma she only had to apologize to me in front of the class and I got my wish on being moved to another teacher's class. ( probably to her delight as well )
With all that said - I cant imagine how a teacher with her kind of mindset ended up becoming a teacher in the first place and the thought of teacher like her being allowed to carry a firearm with minority children present terrifies me. I'm sure someone like her would be one of the first volunteers to carry a weapon in schoo
@@blkeclipsel2400 Sometimes people want jobs like police or teacher so they can resolve the issues from their own lives. They can feel powerful, and use that power to "get even" about something unrelated that has nothing to do with the person they hurt. Reading your post I was reminded of a few other events, but I remember being rapped on the head by a teacher for putting up my hand and asking a legit question, as he answered the question, he rapped on my head and said "and you better learn it". Again, today he would be fired, but all he had to do was write a letter of apology to my mother. And I wasn't allowed to switch classes!
I also knew a very racist teacher, she was equally hated by all though, students of all colors and even other teachers. But even though all we could see it, aside from being openly racist, she was a total bitch, she never actually crossed the line, so never lost her job.
I feel bad for the little child that was you. Your teacher clearly crossed the line. I'm glad you got to move, but I wish she would have been fired. See teachers like that, I think, could be tempted to act hastily if there was a chance to have an excuse to use deadly force. We do so much praising of teachers, most important job of all, and all that, but they aren't saints, they're a random mix of people who managed to complete the coursework.
@@blkeclipsel2400 czcams.com/video/UWMIIwoqx8U/video.html Perfect timing, I just saw this. Things change slowly, but sometimes they do move in the right direction.
Lots of folks need to see this video today
It just boggles my mind that people are seriously proposing this as a solution. Goddamnit, America.
Coming from Canada, even the idea of there being armed cops in school seems alien to me. We did have that for a few weeks when I was in high school (a student had been calling in a series of bomb threats, all false alarms), but once they caught the kid, everything went back to normal.
This is what happens when you actually think things through. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and life experience. Very good arguments and scenarios.
I talked to a Principle (and veteran) of a large high school in Texas. His thoughts were absolutely not. At least not in any city. Possibly in a rural area where a police response is delayed. But even then it’s a maybe.
Yeah I'm not even that far out of town and police responses here are 15-20 minutes depending on the weather. That's one car. I can't even imagine how long it'd take for a task force to get here.
Yeah... I could MAYBE see it out in a one horse town with one school and pretty much every kid familiar with the rules governing their dad's/mom's gun cabinet. But realistically teachers tend to have a different temperament than soldiers, police officers, and security guards. There are a few that are able to successfully navigate between the two fields, and more power to them because it really is a completely different mindset. Teachers are counselors. Security guards are tacklers. When a kid's in crisis because they're trying to learn how to handle the crazy questions of growing minds? That's when you need a teacher. When a kid's trying to kill everyone? That's when you need a tackler. That is why I would very much prefer to have the only armed people on campus to be professional security guards/police. Civilians just don't have the mindset or training for the job.
@TheWin200000 Yeah not prevented but still stopped. It's not like mass shooters just give up after 5 minutes. Many schools have a response time of 5 minutes while some are 30. That's 25 minutes extra time to add to the body count.
@@shadowprince4482 the fact any of you are even entertaining this idea tells me so many people completely missed the point of the video...
And they didn’t even try to go in! Reading these comments is so sad. Here we are again
And 3 years later here we are, again. This nightmare just never ends.
@William Smith
You speak as if school shootings are normal in the developed world. They’re not. It’s an American failure, and it shouldn’t be acceptable to us.
Just finding this video now, two years after the fact. As a teacher, I agree with every point you made BUT there were some assumptions that excluded even worse realities. Even IF training was adequate, which it will never be, even IF a teacher was able to effectively engage, which is unlikely, even IF all the children were locked down in classrooms, which is the one thing we’ve gotten very good and very quick at, the truth is that most schools apart from very old middle and high schools, do NOT have concrete or cinder block interior walls. The majority of schools in this country have steel-framed drywall walls. From classroom to classroom, and from classroom to hallway. Even a close quarters home defense round like Hornady Critical Defense Lite runs the risk of overpenetrating, and causing an additional tragedy. That’s by far my biggest fear as a classroom teacher, with the prospect of having firearms discharged in classrooms by teachers. There WILL be errant rounds that go through walls.
also a gunman easily being able to shoot through those walls
How about finding this within a week of Uvalde? So many are calling for this solution, this discussion is very appropriate today.
when I was a student in Elementary School, we had this odd, “open concept” building. my classroom and the nextdoor classroom were separated by fabric dividers, that could be moved away if we wanted to share the space.
unnessarily noisy, (and def. not any security value.) idk who thought that one up. 🤦♀️
@@xanatax1844 Someone a long time ago apparently, one of the buildings I taught in was build in 1909. We had movable wooden walls between us, with 12 foot high ceilings. Place was an echo chamber.
@@xanatax1844 A popular fashion in school architecture around here is glass walls. Partial or along the whole corridors.
Oth school shootings are not a common thing. They are just pretty bad for kids that have problems with concentration, like adhd.
You put my faith back in the ordinary American brother.
I can't imagine being a kid now a days. These are not the kinds of things they should have to worry about.
To be honest most of us dont worry about or we push it to the back or minds and in all honesty we worry more about crashing a car on the way home, car accidents are more prevalent two kids from my class have already had an accident that ended in a fatality
The solution to this trouble is pretty straightforward. What is needed is 2 pregnant women in every classroom. The Republicans would be falling over themselves to be sure that those fetuses were safe.........with the side effect that the teachers and students would also be safer.
That’s almost genius but except for one thing- the republicans would only use them as martyrs.
You made a really good point. The mindset you need is very diffrent. I remember talking about it with my wife after my stint in the service. And she thought it was weird that I looked at places and you think of things like. Cover. Where can you get hit from. Support, where someone may open from. It takes years to get used to it and learn it all, and years to forget it.
It is both sad and shocking that anyone thinks this is a good idea.
Being from the UK, the school shooter problem in the US is so crazy. My daughters never had to deal with anything like that.
Students go to school to learn, socialize, be part of a society, not take part in active shooter drills...
well, the thing is, it's not really a "problem" at all.. violent crime is at historic lows in the US. Schools have never been safer. In the last 20-30 years, school violence has dropped by 50% while the at the same time the number of schools, and the number of students enrolled have DOUBLED. There are somewhere around 100,000 K-12 public schools and 35,000 more private schools. How many "school shootings" are there? In a given year - usually zero. At most.. 2-3? And now, I'm talking *actual* school shootings here.. not someone killing themselves in the parking lot of a closed school in the middle of the night, like certain authoritarian anti-rights groups love to count as a "school shooting".
People are just getting wound up over the media and propaganda.
One of the advantages of living on an island nation the size of Michigan.
@Zangief The Red Michigan is not an island. If it were, yeah maybe you could keep the guns out. The bigger question is m would be how would you get rid of the ones already here?
chokinonashes61 school shootings aren’t a problem in the US either. The problem in the US is crazy people shooting up public spaces, whether it be a movie theater, concert venue, mall, church, school, or nightclub. The problem is not school shootings but shootings. The source of the problem is too many people owning guns who should not own guns. Europe in general and the UK in particular don’t have school shootings not because the schools are run differently, but because the gun laws are different, and crazy people don’t get to legally own guns.
@@jpe1 Yeah, we have very strict privacy laws regarding medical info. Including mental illness, so when you purchase a firearm, they simply ask on the form if you're a mental patient and trust that the applicant answers honestly. It's pretty stupid.
This vid explains so much of what too many people miss while they create their idle fantasy of a good guy/teacher with a gun.
Worse yet they'd feel the need to plug the holes you point out, like how the cops could separate teacher from shooter. Likely go with a put them in uniform idea that would make the schools even more like prisons and provide a shooter with a convenient costume.
The sad truth is the ears that most need to get this message are deaf to it. But still I thank you for it. This puts mental ammo in the hands of those that are listening so we can better explain the flaws when we get the chance.
For me as a non US citizen, even having to ponder this stuff is totally out of my universe.
Well this popped up in my recommendations from CZcams. Says it's 3 years old but it could still accurately apply today. I don't know how we fix this, but I know it needs to get fixed. Thanks for all you do Beau. Be well.
Why not send Super Donnie, who would run into that school without a weapon (and without being able to run) let`s see the king of lardasses in action!!! That would be an awesome way to get rid of orange 45
the problem is trauma. its not that hard to see this. but for some reason no one wants to address it or treat the kids that need healing.
I just found this video… days after the Uvalde massacre. Kendall, my Uncles niece is in San Antonio recovering… so this issue hit close… And I can agree on many of the points he made.
As a 20 year Retired Veteran, 19D Cav Scout, Master Gunner, Rappel Master… I can only add , as others have- The constitution it takes to kill another human is beyond training.
I’ve had Staff Sergeants with 10.. 12 years of service literally get Petrified when the shit hits the fan… while at the same time a Pvt with 6 months in service perform like a champ. You CANNOT train for that. No amount of budget or training will help you overcome that when it matters. And if you did train like a SF team… how would you test that intestinal fortitude..? Let’s put teachers in active combat during summer break… That’s the Ted Cruz/NRA solution. Ridiculous…
Well said, again... I am so tired of the 52 Republican senators in Congress, Greed, Greed, and More Greed...
I wonder, how much money the NRA, pays them off a Year??? (JM & C)...
There is one teacher i had that i would feel comfortable with being armed. He was also a retired marine who taught the high school/jr high rotc program and worked as a probation officer. Some teachers had no business being near a firearm and some just do not have the temperament. We teach that same rotc program now ourselves, and our response to active shooter situations is teaching our students how to respond in situations of risk. CERT training, accountability, first aid, etc. Our solution is not arming teachers. We spend plenty of time on the range, teachers and cadets. None of us believe we should be armed to protect our students. We absolutely will protect our students. We are teachers, not police.
I am active in my counties CERT. I recommend citizen engagement in local government! Peace my friend
Thank you for making this practical for me to not have to fumble around trying to explain to nearly everyone I know! Now I can just show them this and if they choose to remain ignorant to the situation then so be it. Ty
I feel like the "arm the teachers!" crowd either forgets or doesn't realize how thoroughly potential shooters do their research.
I'm imagining my overly tense English 10 teacher between cigs and Irish coffee and propensity to randomly cry with a gun, engaging an enemy
👏👏👏👏👏 Another excellent take
I want to amplify your point about what happens when students find out. A colleague thought arming teachers was a great idea and made a joke about his guns. It didn't even take a full week until someone smashed the windows of his car as it sat outside his house and took his guns. And he couldn't report the theft because he would have to admit that those guns were sitting in the car he drove to school each day.
But ultimately it comes down to this, teachers need to more training on de-escalating confrontations, not escalating a shooting.
Looks like they needed a refresher, beau
There is a 70 year old teacher in the school I work at that wants this distinction. He is literally the least responsible teacher I can imagine. It's not an age thing, he's always been that way. Also, and what most boggles my mind. Due people not realize that teachers "lose their shit" too? I am not a teacher. They go through stupid levels of day to day stress from literally hundreds of different sources. Media, curriculum, school board, city...........and EVERY parent of EVERY student they teach.
Also, it's amazing what tax payers will pay for.........doors on a school, nope that's to much. Doors on a state capital, court house, bank etc.......
Cant believe this is a real discussion in the states...
consequence of having more guns than people, mixed with NRA-owned politicians, mixed with 2nd amendment worship, mixed with poor resources for people with mental illness
Really, they'd have to be trained to the level of an Air Marshal. And if the school uses "Temporary" classrooms, aka mobile homes for classes, they might need the same ammo as well.
I think they need even more training than an air marshal. An air marshal can wait a little because hijacking usually involves a period of it being known but nobody dead yet.
the last generation of my family was military. this generation is teachers and nurses. Thank you for this insightful part of the conversation.
And here we are 3 years later having the exact same conversations. Insanity.
Great to hear this from someone who has clearly been in the armed forces at some point. Someone who has thought this through very carefully. You are right: teachers would need to train to have the skills of snipers. Shit.
My daughter is 6 and goes to the local public school.
Her school has multiple entrances and those door are unlocked during the day.
Her school doesn't have an armed guard or a guard of any sort.
Her school has never run active shooter drills and has no intention of ever doing so.
Oh, I forgot to mention that I live in Australia.
Truth spoken , Best offense is defense. Thanks for sharing an intellectual and FACTUAL side to this reality we live in. #BeauForCongress ....
And they expect a 65 year old teacher to do this. They are insane
Student hears shots and goes for his gun. Teacher in another classroom does the same. The student with a gun sees the teacher with a gun. While NEITHER of them are the shooter/attacker >>> they fire on each other because they see someone else with a gun and assume they are the threat. Being able to identify the good guy with a gun is only possible if they stand out in a UNIFORM. Otherwise one might not survive trying to make that distinction.
Beau, they're talking about arming all the teachers, all the staff even, so it isn't a question of one teacher with one gun. It would be dozens of teachers and staff with dozens of guns, at all times. That in itself would be a recipe for disaster even on good days, ones without active shooters.
Your always a voice of logic to bad our elected officials aren't.
There is always an in-depth, calm and impartial analysis from you on all these subjects and that's amazing! More of these please! :-)
What a terrifying time to have kids in school. If I was a parent I would be doing whatever possible homeschool.
Our society is crumbling under the weight of the uncontrolled greed of the elites.
Also, we're talking about a teacher armed with a pistol versus a shooter with a rifle. They're not remotely comparable in firepower. It's absurd.
I didn't look at the date before starting to watch this. I was really surprised that this wasn't made in the last 2-3 days. Wait a week or so and it'll be just as fresh again.
Yeah I was just talking about how I could tell when something horrible happened without the news just by looking at what old videos popped viral again.
This video broke my heart. The truth of this. Wow! Nailed it.
AMAZING video Beau.