Gyroscope Appearing to Violate Newton's Third Law
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- Gyroscope appearing to defy gravity. This is a different way to demonstrate the relationship between a spinning gyroscope, precession, pushing with and against precession and monitoring for any changes in weight on a scale. The ease of pushing on the rod in the direction of precession combined with the rise in the gyroscope is fascinating. The direction of rotation of the gyroscope rotor is shown in our video, Effect of Gyroscope Rotor Spin Direction on the Direction of Precession, • Effect of Gyroscope Ro... .
Gyroscopes are fascinating because they appear to defy Newton's Third Law: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. They also appear to defy gravity with apparent antigravity effects.
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It appears the spinning gyro forms a directional torque and that's why the procession leans toward either CW or CCW direction. It's not a huge force but enough to slowly spin the wheel and rod. If you were to spin the gyro the opposite way this would in turn cause the procession to be in the opposite direction. Very cool experiment, sir! Should teach this in high school physics class as it is a elegant, low-cost experiment that is great for discussion.
Thank you for the video.
A great experiment and layout.
I really love the use of hardware items to make your demo. Genius!
It's not antigravity. The gyroscope is exerting force, drawn from its own rotational momentum, to counteract the force of gravity pulling it downwards. But since nothing is 100% efficient, it slowly droops as it precesses, which is why you have to add new energy into the system by forcing it to precess faster, to make the gyroscope lift up again.
Gravity, is it?
you have proven your own statement wrong. words. people need to seriously study the meaning of words. if you counteract something what is the pre-fix you add to a word? ANTI. a machine that counteracts "gravity" would be called an....... but firstly and more importantly, what this truly proves is that there is no gravity, but rather the ruling law of the universe is "path of least resistance." Also the video maker uses the wrong terminology. it's not weight of the object making it harder to push one way it is resistance to the force rather than going with the grain.
so the planes defy the third law and are anti gravity as well
Derek smith The prefix you use for counteract is contra.
Derek smith People do need to study the meaning of words, yourself especially. Antigravity is a scifi term that refers to the negation of gravity. Acting against gravity is simply lift, but the gravity is still there. Second, nothing here proves anything other than how accurate Newton's work was on a small scale like this.
Very well crafted demonstration!
I like your test setup, simple but works well. Great job.
Thanks for the comment.
Observation 1: You need to tare the machine then apply the hardware so that you actually have the reseting weight of the load.
Observation 2: When you are rotating the other way and reading a weight, you are indead getting that resistance and it forces your straw to deflect, once that happens, some of the force you apply with the straw gets translated downwards.
What is actually happening is that when you start changing moving the gyroscope on the pivot is that the gyroscpe tries to align with the axis of rotation so that it's axis stops moving. This produced a rotational force. Since the gryscope is on a stick on a pivot, that gets translated into torque force which raises or lowers the gyroscope based on it's direction of spin as well as the direction of rotation.
What looks like a lifting force is actually a torque force translated from a rotational force. Since every action has an equal and opposite reaction, letting the gyroscope fall causes the orbit to occur. If you hade a two axis gyroscope, all it would do is align itself to the spin axis of the system and then stop doing anything other than spin.
Thank you for such a thoughtful and detailed comment. I really appreciate it.
Awesome video, thanks for sharing your experiment.
I really dig your choice of parts for you’re gizmo
By the sound of things you've made a rain making machine.
The spinning Disc
v1 = sqrt(2pi*r1*f1)
v2 = sqrt(2pi*r2*f2)
Let:f1 = f2
Let:r = 1m , r1 = 0.25m , r2 = 0.5m
Therefore
v1 = 1.253m/s
v2 = 1.772m/s
a1 = v1*f1 = 1.253m/s^2
a2 = v2*f2 = 1.772m/s^2
Let there be a mass at each location.
m1 = 1kg
m2 = 1kg
Circumferential directed forces
F1(circ) = a1*m1 = 1.235N , outwards toward the circumference
F2(circ) = a2*m2 = 1.772N , outwards toward the circumference
Gravitational forces downwards.
F1(down) = m1*g = 9.82N
F2(down) = m2*g = 9.82N
Net force at each point.
F1(net) = Sqrt(F1(down)^2+F1(circ)^2) = 9.897N
F2(net) = Sqrt(F2(down)^2+F2(circ)^2) = 9.969N
Parallel net force.
ParF12(net) = F1(net)*F2(net)/F1(net)+F2(net) = 4.966N
g’ = Sqrt(g^2 - ParF12(net)^2) = 8.471N
Therefore , there is essentially a reduction of the gravitational acceleration between the two net parallel forces giving rise to an upward lift between the two points.
It is why a spinning top does not fall over.
A = acos(g’/g) = 30.38 degrees
Giving rise to two parallel forces.
ParF12 = sine(A)*F1(net)*F2(net)/F1(net)-F2(net) = -1181N
ParF21 = sine(A)*F2(net)*F1(net)/F2(net)-F1(net) = +1181N
ParF(NET) = ParF12+ParF21 = 0
Conclusion:
Eric Laithwaite was nearly correct there is no overall net loss of weight just a lowering of the acceleration g to g’ thus giving rise to an upward balancing force which keeps the spinning top from falling over.
Fascinating comment! Thanks for sharing.
Excellent video, thank You.
If you don't understand angular momentum and gyroscopic precession you aren't allowed to use other words like Third, Law, and Violating .
He said APPEARS.
Ohio Houston I second this
And becaues he understands angular momentum and gyroscopic precession your statement is very misplaced and can not be understood in this context
@Tech Stuf woahh... Interesting coincidence I just took my daughter to the toy store today and bought her a gyroscope just like the one I played with when I was little. I commented on this video a year ago!
What he means by appearing to violate newton's third law is that in order for the gyroscope to be pushed upwards, the gyroscope must be pushing downwards on something with an equal and opposite force. (newtons third law) Since the gyroscope is being pushed up by some force, then there must by an equal force pushing down on something. If the rod or bearing is pushing it up, then why is there no force added to the scale?
IF there is no force downward on the rod or the bearing, as evidenced by the scale, then what is the gyroscope pushing down on?? Is it pushing down on the air or is it pushing against the ether medium? or what is it pushing against.
When he rotates the bearing the other way, it adds force to the scale, implying that the gyroscope must be pushing upwards on something in order to create an opposite force pushing down on the scale. What is the gyroscope pushing upwards on to create the downwards force on the scale? The air, ether, or what? If the gyroscope is still spinning the same direction, how can it be pushing up on the air in one case and down on the air in the other case.
Since we have eliminated the air, and the rod and bearing, what is left for the gyroscope to push on?
In the "right hand torque rule" for a rotating spinning disk, there is a torque based only on the direction of spin. If newton's third law dictates an object must be pushing on something to create an equal and opposite force, then what does the rotating spinning disk push on to create the equal and opposite force? If the force is in the opposite direction (clock-wise vs counter-clockwise,) according to the "right-hand torque rule," then what is the disk pushing against?, the air, the ether, the earth's magnetic field, or what? It seems we can eliminate the air and Earth's magnetic field, so what is left for the disk to push on?
A ballerina spinning one way experiences an upward force and the other way a downward force. If the ballerina weighs the same regardless of direction of spin, then what is the ballerina pushing against to create the force?
The energy (mgh) you are adding to the gyroscope comes from you via the straw. There is a sort of gearing effect imparted by the fact that you have to move the straw a long way to get the gyroscope to raise only a couple of inches. That is why it is easy to push - you have an advantageous gear ratio. The principle is similar to a plane - it will fly with an engine far too small to lift it vertically off the ground. The only difference here is that the motion is necessarily circular. And obviously the reason that the scale shows no change is due to the fact that it is not a part of the force system involved in raising the gyroscope.
There was a famous English professor (and yes, he taught me) called Eric Laithwaite of Imperial College in London. We called him Loony Laithwite, because, as intelligent as he was, he had a mental block with gyroscopes, and had convinced himself they were a source of free energy - in contradiction of the second law.
This is all about experimental boundaries. Get them right and it all makes perfect sense.
This is angular momentum. There is a force on the arm, weight and mass are not changed.
Try spinning the gyro in the opposite direction to si what happens then.
Cool video demonstration.
Thanks
Try watching our latest video, Effect of Gyroscope Rotor Spin Direction on the Direction of Precession, czcams.com/video/ipdOr91CdEs/video.html.
with that setup the same way it is with the rubber band on it and another scope on the eye loop spinning the same direction as the rotation on the outside just to see what would happen? counter weight the opposite end ill try it as well.Nice Video!
Old Eric L., the English chap, has studied and revealed to us that there are hard to explain properties at work. Thanks for this experimental display. I have placed one device for viewing, also a few original songs.
Thanks for this great video. I am particularly fascinated with the application of force in the direction of precession and opposite to the direction of precession. There is more resistance in the anti-precession direction , than in the precession direction. It would be interesting to know by how much. For example using a small spring-type pull scale measuring device to compare the forces between the two directions of precession. Also if the rotational speed of the gyroscope is varied, how much influence would it have on the force required to push it in the anti-precession direction. An even more fascinating experiment would be to have the same setup, but with another gyroscope being fit in the same fashion onto the same common bearing, but swiveling on the opposite side. When both gyroscopes are now spinning at the same speed and direction, will the resistance against an anti-precession force be higher?
Bravo Sir, I love entriguing videos like this, I have long been perplexed myself with the amazing effects of the gyroscope, fascinating.
Thanks for the nice comment.
It's very easy to understand why the system seems to get heavier when you push the lever in the direction that forces the gyroscope down against the horizontal rod. YOU are supplying that extra downward force. Note that the plastic rod is bending quite a bit because of the heavy force you're having to apply, so now the force applied to the horizontal lever by your plastic rod has a downward component as well as a tangential horizontal component. It's that downward component that you see on the scale. Try applying your force taking care that it is precisely horizontal where the plastic rod touches the metal rod. Use a stiff metal rod and hold it vertically as you push horizontally.
Isn’t it just angular momentum?
Could the same principles be used with electro magnetism
This could possibly make a more efficient drove train. High speed motors and speed controllers are cheap to make the gyro spin continuously. Testable in rwd truck. No matter the emgine type drive train efficiency is important.
EXPLANATION HERE....
As the gyroscope spins around the black wheel and appears to fly upward, the other side of the gyroscope, which is attached to the black wheel, has a DOWNWARD FORCE pressing against it! The faster the spin, the greater this force becomes but does NOT have an anti-gravity effect! Infact, the weight of the entire contraction NEVER CHANGES!
It is called system of reference: get on a scale, put your hands on your head and then push yourself down, see if your weight increase. Btw your explanation is wrong, otherwise this guy's wrist would be experiencing a torque of 186Nm, quiet impossible. czcams.com/video/GeyDf4ooPdo/video.html ......
Remember why the system precesses in the first place. Gravity supplies a continuous downward force on the gyroscope mass, and that becomes a torque around its pivot (the caster bearing). Because the gyroscope and caster bearings are at right angles, that gravity-torque vector is both horizontal and orthogonal (at a right angle) to the angular momentum vector of the gyroscope. Adding that torque vector to the gyroscope's angular momentum vector produces a new angular momentum vector that has rotated a bit around the vertical axis, therefore the gyro/arm assembly moves in that direction. This also rotates the direction of the torque applied by gravity so it's still 90 degrees to the gyroscope, so the precession continues, completing one revolution in however much time causes the total gravity torque impulse magnitude (torque times time, ignoring direction) to equal the angular momentum in the gyroscope. When it rotates 360 degrees, the angular momentum vector of the gyroscope is back to its starting value (ignoring the slowdown of the gyro) and the net angular impulse due to gravity, including direction, has averaged to zero because the torque vector has made one complete revolution about the vertical axis.
Note that the gravity torque on the assembly depends on the angle of the gyroscope support rod. It is zero when the support rod is vertical, and it increases sinusoidally to a maximum when the support rod is horizontal, just before the gyroscope assembly touches the horizontal rod (then it becomes zero).
The increase in friction in the bearing is caused by uneven load. When the gyroscope is floating, the load is balanced.
Thanks for your comment.
Even if it is not antigravity, the sheer lack of understanding from the part of the brightest minds expert in this very relative field makes it a matter of curiosity and further research. If the laws and mechanisms were so simple why couldn't they lay it out?
And as I was saying, even if this is just some trick of transferring of direction of force without directly involving the 3rd law will be very much helpful in assisting us more to achieve our goal to space race in contrast to the current ancient method of propulsion given the ratio of energy input to lift generated is less than the current fuel burn system.
i saw the same video and wondered about it... what type of applications can this be used for
Ok, so when you pushed down on the gyro to speed up its natural precession there was a corresponding weight change in the positive direction on the scale correct?
Yeah dude just dont understand angular momentum is all.
I appreciate the interest in my video and for the comments and questions. The interest in this subject has far exceeded my expectations. I am planning another gyroscope video that you will also enjoy. I have some other video commitments that I have to complete first. I had a setback by the remnants of hurricane Irma that blew down the largest oak tree on our property and smashed through the roof of our shop building. A Great Horned Owl lived in that tree. You can actually hear it in the background of the thermal anisotropy video. In my life I have found that it pays to deviate from the fixation that results from looking at problems from the same perspective as everyone else. Once a reasonable explanation or theory is proposed it automatically channels your thinking in the same direction. Gyroscopes are universally fascinating to everyone with scientific curiosity. Thanks for your interest in my videos. You may enjoy a short story I wrote titled Wille’s Revenge and available from Amazon for Kindles or Kindle Apps. It is a fictional story about three young geniuses that use gyroscopes to defeat anti technology terrorists. I also have a free ios app titled Anisotropicplus on the App Store with convenient links to my videos, apps and books.
Thanks for your support and interest. I apologize for not being able to respond to every question or comment.
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Cool video, sorry to hear about your shop building! Best of luck to you sir :)
Thank you for posting this video! You had an interest and took the time to document it. We wouldn't have gotten where we are today without people testing things instead of relying on rote knowledge.
Hey Anisotropicplus. Could you have a look at counter-steering as occurs on motorbikes. If you want to turn right you push on the right grip and the bike leans to the right and sets you up to go turn right into. The front wheel makes a reasonable gyroscope. Just not sure what's going on, despite riding a motorbike everyday.
Thanks you for posting this. I found it very fascinating and your build is wonderfully simple yet highly effective for the demonstration. Well done!
Nice experiment. I hope your shop is repaired and you are doing well sir. You might like to see this demonstration and his explanation of what the forces are doing.
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Regards
I love how the rising gyro comes completely from the rotational energy! It exerts 0 onto the scale! so beautiful...
Nice video, but ya need to put the top back on the (@ 2:41 ) glue tube.. It's gonna go bad.
I'm just 16 and I could be oversimplifying this but it seems normal and completely expected. The gyroscope weighs the same but the force is no longer going down along side gravity. Instead the G-Forces the Gyroscope is experiencing due to the rotation of it is causing the force to go sideways and away from the scale making it appear lighter.
if one gyroscoop lifts at slow moving rotation speed...what would 4 gyroscoop do if you would make thos 4 gyroscopes run as hard as the gyroscopes themselfs?? like a propeller with gyroscopes?
I don’t know. That is a good question. Thanks for your comment.
The weight doesnt increase because its rising at a more or less constant velocity. If you go up in a lift you only feel heavier while the lift is accelerating not while its rising at a constant velocity. The apparent weight does change when you start and stop the precession but not while precessing at a constant rate.
Thanks for watching and your excellent comment.
En relación con ese comentario. Jugando con una rueda en movimiento (que hacía de "giroscopio"), me di cuenta de lo mismo que refiere el comentario señalado : yo podía "planear" con la rueda; después, para haber continuado "volando", hubiera necesitado un conjunto de "ruedas giroscópicas" que hubieran iniciado su movimiento desde la siguiente posición... Y así sucesivamente. Es indudable el efecto antigravedad, pero no se logrará demostrar con una rueda giroscópica fija. Quizá con computadores que las sincronicen -en el futuro-, se consiga el efecto total antigravedad.
@@anisotropicplus - ColinWatters is correct. I was going to post a similar comment.
@@rcgldrThanks for watching and your comment.
I saw a video from the 80,s-90's a guy worked all his life on this, and supposedly made a anti gravity model. It reminded me of a steam engine governor, he was British or Aussie, it supposed to had actually lost weight as it spun. Yea its been raining here for days!!! Great video, really makes you think what may be possible!!!
it's the center of gravity moving to one side putting uneven strain on the loose caster bearing causing it to pinch.
in which direction is the gyroscope spinning in the initial intro clip?
Did you ever make a double gyroscope with two disks spinning in opposite directions and very close to each other?
Many people say that a gyroscope exactly obey the laws of angular momentum. Well it would do if those laws were derived from it. I don't know but I suspect that the 'forces' describing a gyroscope come from the change in momentum between opposite sides of the gyroscope when it's axis is rotated - both sides gain equal momentum but in opposite directions and the shift of this momentum causes a perpendicular torque (one side accelerate in (+) direction, other decelerate in (-) direction causing net (+) perpendicular force).
Is there a derivation of this anywhere on youtube, i.e. treating a gyroscope as an infinite series of opposing 'spokes' or what would it be called so I can search for it?
No mention of scale weight numbers?
I know the reason why. Eric Laithwaite said "Newton's Rule" needed correcting. Newton's Rule says that linear acceleration is conserved. This is not exactly true. Linear and angular acceleration can convert into each other. It is the SUM of linear and angular acceleration which is conserved, according to Laithwaite.
Proof of this can be seen in the fact that lifting the gyro is easy but it processes more. All the linear upward momentum you give it is transformed into precession, or increased angular momentum.
Laithwaite was not a physicist. Angular and linear momenta are separately conserved; see Noether's Theorem. What non-physicists can never comprehend is that a non-spinning object, travelling in a perfectly straight line, nevertheless possesses angular momentum. This ignorance is due to poor-quality teaching.
What do you mean by "linear acceleration" being conserved? Never heard of that before. Linear momentum is certainly conserved according to Newton's laws, but acceleration has nothing to do with that. Acceleration is related to forces, according to the second law, and is not conserved, whatever that means.
The subject: A small projectile spinning at between 100,000 and 200,000 RPM's and at between 2,000 and 4,000 FPS with a cylindrical magnetic core covered by a thin layer of copper (Heading North). The question: In what direction would the North Pole of the magnetic core need to be facing to promote the rise of the projectile? a) North, b) South or at side poles (outer halves) of the cylinder.
I’m convinced the metal the gyroscope is made of will drastically change the results when spun at high speed.
Not really.
what would happen if you speeded up the turning , where the gyro stands straight up. Will it pull itself into the air?
Can you post where to buy this particular gyroscope?
I purchased it from gyroscope.com. It is a nice little machine!
In order to sustain the lifting force, wouldn't you need to constantly increase the rate of rotation about the vertical axis? Since it is that force translated by the gyroscopic precession 90 degrees forward in the direction of rotation that produces the lift. That being the case your lift will end when your rotation about the vertical shaft has reached its maximum velocity. Perhaps multiple pairs of gyroscopes operated in stages, so that as one pair has maxed out its change in rotational velocity, another pair will still be spooling up. Then by reversing the rotation of your gyro pairs, you could gain additional upward thrust during the time that the vertical shaft rotation decelerates to zero, and so on. With an onboard lithium battery and ultracapacitor setup to recover the energy returned during the deceleration, just like a hybrid automobile. Keep up the great work and good luck to you.
Steven Johnson no, the position of the gyroscope remains stable as long as the precession is occuring at a constant rate. See Walter Lewin's lecture 24 in course 8.01 (rolling motion, gyroscopes)
Unit requires 3 discs spinning , not 2. They are to be in RPM ratio ,
just the way Keely did it in late 1800's. He used heavy sirens fed from
compressed air and varied the frequency of sound as RPM was changed to
RATIO. See books reference works of John Keely, Philadelphia , Pa.
1865-1899. One ton structure of resonance + harmonics raises up and
settles down as per lowering of RPMS.
If you didn't see it on your digital scale I did, when you went to the anti procession direction it added weight to the scale.
The "weight" is a downforce produced by the plastic tube because more force was needed to turn it in the anti-procession direction. As the tube bent, more force was produced downward by the tube.
I mean gyro scores all depend on the bearings used and the force used for the initial push.
I remember a guy named Kidd ,,, I think ,,, spent years doing research and experimenting in this . Later met professor Laithwaight in England. Don't know what happened after that.
Thanks for watching and your comment. Eric Roberts Laithwaite (14 June 1921 - 27 November 1997) was a British electrical engineer, known as the "Father of Maglev"[1] (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Laithwaite) for his development of the linear induction motor and maglev rail system. Professor Laithwaite’s Royal Institution Christmas Lecture on gyroscopes is interesting and fun to watch.
Hey - maybe you'd try working with two gyroscopes mounted opposite to one another and spinning in opposite directions. Would they both cancel out the order of procession? I believe they should.
Good idea.
The moment created by the angular velocity negates the acceleration due to gravity
Have you tried to fix the arm the gyroscope is connected to so it doesn't go up or down and do the experiment over and see if it actually lose any weight if you understand what I'm trying to say
I'd be curious about that too.
You have to keep the rotor spinning. Requires constant inflow of energy form something. Another electric motor, or battery or the rotor to the gyro is part of the electric motor.
Can you do same experiment with precise analog scale and instead of pushing it with stick just add some turning motor. This way you will see if weight change when accelerating rotation speed.
Actually I have done some of what you are suggesting. I appreciate your comment and suggestions. Please check the links below to my other gyroscope videos.
Thanks
The following are links to our other gyroscope videos.
Gyroscope Appearing to Violate Newton’s Third Law Part Three
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Gyroscope on a Linear Actuator on a Digital Scale and Newton's Third Law
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Wheelbarrow Tire Spinning Top / Gyroscope and Newton's Third Law Updated
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Gyroscopic Precession Powered Car
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Effect of Gyroscope Rotor Spin Direction on the Direction of Precession
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Gyroscope Attempting to Climb a Vertical Threaded Rod
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Gyroscope Appearing to Violate Newton’s Third Law Part Three
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Falling Gyroscopes and the Effect of Gravity
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Turntable for Bicycle Wheel Gyroscope Experiments That You Can Make Updated
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Bicycle Wheel Gyroscope, Motorized, Low Cost and Easy to Make
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Gyroscopic Effects Demonstration with a Bicycle Wheel on a Turntable
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Wheelbarrow Tire Spinning Top / Gyroscope
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@@anisotropicplus Oh wow. A lot of videos. Checking. Thank you.
I was waiting for it to fly off the table and into the air !
are you ever going to put a reversable motorized turn table on that, to see if the weight really changes? While also tied down, and not tied down?
Thanks for the comment. I do have some additional gyroscope videos that I am working on. Thanks for the idea.
I have a good idea to test whether this set work or not, just put it in a drone, and then check the battery time
So needless to say, there are NO violations of Newtonian mechanics here.
Yes but there are many keyboard commandos who will argue with you just to argue with you.
They have to get their jollies somehow ; )
I don't believe in Free energy, but Input to Output ratio is important. So if you built a ROUND Double track(Two poles to suspend a ball on-to minimise Friction) say A mile long, dipping just enough to let gravity move the ball along, and at the end put a join so it has to go up to meet the Beginning again. In wind free conditions what percentage could it climb?(Equations would be nice)
REACENTRATION the rules of reality prohibit this. If you make your ramp too short, its gonna be too steep, if you make it too relaxed, it will have to be longer and eat up the down slope of your track.
Its not advanced physics , its called coriolis force , and im amazed some think this is anti gravity
would be interesting to see what happens with the giro locked at 45%angle and another the other side locked at 45%angle .may become lighter
The lift seen here will be doubled. Of course the lift seen here (on the scale) is 0.
Lol sounds like Sandy Kidd all over again
Gyroscopes are definitely hypnotizing and have most certainly captured my attention for a few days. Angular momentum is a force that does seem to defy gravity. The mass of the gyroscope is traveling in a vector which is constantly changing due to it being solid and circular. This angular momentum is powerful and an object which exerts angular momentum can be easily manipulated utilizing this impressive force. Much like the demonstration done by Veritasium (which I agree is a phenomenal channel) shows how angular momentum can aid in changing a massive objects position.
When he spun the fly wheel the vectors in which points of the wheel were moving were enough to overcome the force of gravity making it appear as anti-gravity. The reason why the gyroscope in your experiment seemed "heavier" is due to you changing the direction the gyroscope wants to spin. When you force a gyroscope to move in the opposite direction of its angular momentum is now moving it along with the force of gravity.
Thanks for the constructive comment.
Why not design an independent floating saucer without any tether from the ground or base?
You can do that with a superconductor hovering above strong magnets, but I don’t know how to do it with gyroscopes.
You know about the Gyro Bus yes? It had a giant Gyro u derneath, would spin up at a station then use the energy to propel the bus all day (also, braking energy was put back into the spin sonehow)
It has been quite a few years since I first heard about a bus with a spinning mass for energy accumulation. Now they are probably using EVs with super capacitors to do a similar thing. Thanks for your comment.
What if you had a x and a y axis flywheel like the original gyroscopeand spun them bolth upto speed, it would be easier to put teeth on the inside of the outer ring, and the out side of inner ring so you only have to spin one, one could defy the effects of gravity to a greater extent, but I think you would have to make 4 axis, because- up, down, left, and right... 2 wrongs don't make a right, but 2 rights make a left
Precession explains your observations. The "levitating" flywheel wants to cause a vertical rotation, but the bearings are so bad that you have to add push to help it overcome friction. If you push opposite, you are pushing against precession and friction. To understand prcession, search youtube for Walter Lewin 8.01 lecture 24 gyroscopes. Skip forward to the bicycle wheel if you're pressed for time.
tl;dr you are pushing with precession the one way, and against precession the other way; this adds weight.
No, you don't "need force" to rise the gyroscope up. You need force to accelerate things. Upwards accelerations during the rise is really small so that's why you don't see any change on the scale.
Amazing !
It follows that your scale will show a differing force in both directions because your setup is designed that way. this does not indicate a lifting force is present, just that your scale is not aware of everything going on above it.
true. the gyro exerts a torque on the base, and if it is not perfectly centered on the load cell within the scale (with the cg of the system directly above), it will push or pull against the cell and appear to grow heavier and lighter. the scale is ignorant to anything happening above it, only how much the leg over the cell is being stood upon by the gyro.
Where does it appear to violate 3rd Newtons law? I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.
I think they mean when the gyro lifts at about 0:34. Of course that pretty normal for a gyro, and does not violate anything...
I think you just demonstrated that Inertia can be decreased or increased depending on the direction of spin related to rotation. But the mass stays the same. you need a force meter on the stick to see how much force it takes to pull in each direction. see if you can make pushing a heavy object linearly across a smooth surface take less force. I wonder if it could make pushing or pulling heavy objects easier.
Thanks for your comment. I have four more gyroscope videos planned. In the meantime check out my others I already have like the gyroscopic precession powered car.
@@anisotropicplus Thanks for your reply. I was thinking along the lines of large stone blocks. The Egyptians appear to have had I speed rotational tech with some of the drilled out core holes and what appear to be high speed saw marks on some stones. So if they had things spinning at high speeds maybe they knew about gyroscopes if attaching gyroscopes would make less force required to push as it appears to do in this video. Thanks
The most impossibly large stones in antiquity that I am aware of are the 2,000,000 plus stones in Baalbek, Lebanon.
2,000,000 lbs.
@@anisotropicplus - omg, For the life of me 'I can't figure out how they did it. They must have had some kind of technology even if it is just a Giant Machine. The Answer is there buried in the sand or in hidden chambers of the pyramid. I hope one day they look under those massive stones on the Giza plateau and find giant rock cutting machines.
The problem is these Human Historical treasures are in the hands of the worlds most idiotic people and their religions.
The real answers might be in China thousands of unopened pyramids.
It's interesting that the resistance of gyroscopic precession was making it rain.
Igor Sikorski had to solve this problem with his helicopter design. Forces due to rotor pitch adjustments did not result in the expected vehicle directional forces.
I was wondering if anyone realized this was a thing with helicopters. I fly rc helis and learned this long ago. It is very interesting
Todos experimentos giroscopicos, tienen un comun denominador; y es que trasladan una cupla o par de fuerzas de un plano a otro perpendicular, Sin embargo ( por experiencia personal comprobe que las cuplas que surgen del esfuerzo muscular tienen un misterio) , y es que se produce una traslacion del centro de Masa generada por algo que sale de la nada. Me pregunto: ¿ Es una "Energia Libre " que deriba del pensamiento?. ¡ Hay que comprobar ! Hay que EXPERIMENTAR.
Once the disc reached its ultimate speed,
How long would the disc spin if upscaled to 100 ft in diameter?
You would have to know things like air drag, type of bearings, etc. A 100 ft. Diameter spinning disc would probably come apart if it was spinning very fast. Some people are using such devices to store energy. Thanks for your comment.
@@anisotropicplusI was thinking of inside a vacuum chamber 👍
@@saammahakala ok, interesting.
Energy gets spent. No laws broken.
Wrong
If you have 3 equal sized and weighted gyros in the same spot they will hold air and can be used to levitate
Am I the only one who got super relaxed when they heard rain falling on the tin roof?
the original experiment was using a 40 lb weight is mass an issue here?
Semi gyroscope may work where the pull is only 1 sided
Fascinating
take the bar leading from base to gyro away and it answers itself.
where did you get that gyroscope from cant find one like it anywhere
Brian Haine He said gyroscope.com in the video.
Chosen One thank you I appreciate the info
I purchased it from www.gyroscope.com and it is a great little machine.
this precession is the reason Evel Knievels lose control of their bikes mid leap - the wheels precess at 90degrees to direction of travel.
Old Bentley and simlar rotating engines gave weird handling to WW1 planes due to precession.
Modern turbojets must give some precession at speed but perhaps due to relatively slow turning of jets the effect isn't very strong?
But could rapid movements in aerobatics and tight dogfighting cause sufficient precessions to rip engines off wings and cause crashes especially with big diameter single engines?
A big turbofan must put have potential for a great amount of precession?
Evil Knevel never lost control of his motorcycle mid flight. He had some trouble landing. You have to apply a torque to trust the wheel and that does not happen in motorcycle jumping.
@@DeputyNordburg Lots of jumpers have lost control of bike midflight.
@@rosewhite--- Due to gyroscopic precession? Great, show me the videos. I can't wait.
@@DeputyNordburg you wouldn't understand them - but surely you're intelligent enough to surf Bentley Rotary?
@@rosewhite--- I am too intelligent to attempt to prove your false claim for you. Also What happed to Knievel? Now you are on Bentley Rotary? Moving target...
But to go back to original video of guy with 40pound gyro on 3ft shaft.
He cannot lift it when stationery but can briefly when spinning.
So where did the weight go for the brief second or so?
Ws the 40pounds still on end of shaft?
Or was 40pounds transferred into guy's body by the precession and due to Newtonian reaction and muscle tension he didn't sense it?
If I stand up and someone places a40 pound weight on me I can feel it and it will press me down.
In the veritasium video and this video (and many similar) it's proven there is no weight reduction. What happens is the apparent center of mass moves, and it moves to a place that makes the device easy to lift. Its perception. Think how easy it is to lift a 40lb suitcase. Now carry it around with using the handle.
@@DeputyNordburg I don't think so.
40pounds is 40 pounds.
I lift this laptop at arms length or above with same effort but could not lift it if it weighed 40.
Maybe the gyroscope precession induces some Newtonian reaction in the skeleton and muscles.
A naked person doing the experiment might show all body working against the presession and weight.
@@rosewhite--- The effects of the gyroscopic precession are limited to the gyroscope. Newtonian reaction in the skeleton and muscles? OMG did you you just make that up?
Need some kind of electrical rotating device that can turn in two directions and loose the straw.
It literally illustrates Newton’s third law beautifully actually
An object moving has more energy making it weight more. E=mc^2
no, E=mc^2 applies to quantum mechanics, none of the stuff in this video has anything to do with that.
An object moving has some kind of force applied to it (or a force WAS applied and inertia is keeping that force). Gravity is also a force. This gyroscope has a spinning force (called torque) applied to it with the motor and then inertia causes it to keep spinning.
Gravity pulls us towards the center of Earth. If the force pushes us down, we will seem heavier. If the force pulls us up, we will seem lighter. (Scales measure how much force you put on them, not your weight. Having weight is a kind of downward force, which is why weight is counted on a scale)
The torque of the gyroscope is pulling it up, and that makes the axle in the middle tilt. When the gyroscope gets close to the top, the torque is spinning left and right instead of pulling up or pushing down, which means it doesn't lift anymore.
This is kind of simplified, and I left out / didn't fully explain a lot of stuff. If anyone else wants to correct or expand on something I said, feel free. I'm a software engineer, not a newtonian physics scientist.
Place 2 gyroscopes connected at 90* and spin them up. You will notice some weird pulling.
Angular momentum ?
Spinning gyroscopes generates centrifugal force and i think centrifugal force repels gravity to some extent reducing its weight while its spinning.
You have to spend the gyro and then you have to rotate the gyro at high speed try using 4 Gyros and rotate the 4 Gyros at high speed
There's an old documentary floating around YT of an English guy who built a machine that rotates quickly on a vertical axis and has two counter rotating gyros on a horizontal axis that has a hinging effect. The end result is centrifugal force that is competing with the lift created by gyros. His machine is documented by physicists to counteract gravity. (I.e., it becomes lighter.)
Hey I seen that documentary the other day you mentioned. His name is Sandy Kidd and he has a new video out from about a year ago here is the link czcams.com/video/ExCC9zZeZuY/video.html Really awesome stuff here that needs further attention. I don't know why everyone in comments have to bash and talk down videos that are against the "norm" of our society. Thank god Nikola Tesla didn't stop his research in the face of criticism or we wouldn't have electric motors or the light bulb etc. Remember that just because we have general relativity and quantum mechanics doesn't mean that they are a hundred percent correct gravity is still just a theory! Maybe the reason why we can't merge general relativity and quantum mechanics is because there's something wrong with one of the two theories just take it as a grain of salt
@@danisneo1644 Tesla was correct. Gravity is misconstrued as fact. Electromagnetism is my bet.
@@lifuranph.d.9440 Lol, clearly is not electromagnetism. Can easily be showed by the most basic test. Take two object with completely different electromagnetic propriety and drop them..... they will fall with same acceleration.
Sandy Kidd's machine was interesting but eventually, after a lot of study, they found out what was happening........ nothing.
If i give you a blueprint, would you be interested to create a propulsion engine? I call it gravity propulsion but it is based on the principle you are referring to.
Too many responsibilities right now, but thanks for the suggestion.
No, it isn't hard to lift 40lbs over your head, but Eric L. was doing it with one hand, and apparently with much less difficulty than one would expect.
Let's break it down; there's getting the weight up there, and then there's holding it when it's there. I notice he didn't hold it very long (not that I think he was pulling a fast one - he just didn't take the time to describe his sensations in detail. Presumably that was something that could be gone into later.)
So, let's say it still weighs 40lbs when your holding it above your head, but lifting it is much, much easier. How could that work, and how would you test it?
It seems to me that any force that aids in lifting the weight would still have to be transmitted through Eric L's arm - unless there is some way that moving the gyroscope breaks the symmetry of the spin, converting part of its angular momentum into upward momentum. This would have to be paid back, so to speak, when the gyroscope slows down at the top of its trajectory, thus making it temporarily *heavier*. This may be why he didn't hold it up there very long.
What I'm doing here is not physics - it's guessing. I still think that an explanation involving the angle at which he's holding the bar and the precise vectors along which the forces are transmitted through his skeleton and musculature would make more sense. But I would love to see the results of an experiment designed *specifically* to measure the weight of the gyroscope *while it's moving*! (Yes, I know he tried to build that into this experiment - but the results look kind of noisy and inconclusive. Something with a longer, smoother lift, please!)
I have an experiment planned that will accomplish what you are suggesting. Thanks for your comments.
it does not weigh more or less... , and violates no law!
what is so marvelous about this???
Its like a nice magic trick, though this is mechanically completely explainable. Sort of like magnetic forces. We can explain them pretty well but transmitting forces without physical contact still has a magic touch to it ;D.
could this be solved by the energy being used by the electric motor... causing this (temperamentally" anomaly difference? I think its Maybe just delayed energy from the motor
Thanks for your comment. Please give me some more detail to your question. The only motor is the one used to spin up the gyroscope and then it is detached. Thanks for watching and check out our other gyro videos listed below.
The following are links to our other gyroscope videos.
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Gyroscope Appearing to Violate Newton’s Third Law Part Three
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Falling Gyroscopes and the Effect of Gravity
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Read about the Swiss Gyro Buses! They used the have busses with a 5 foot 1 ton gyro and they spin the gyro up and use its energy to propel the bus all day! (Stopping to respond occasionally) Call Gyro Bus. Can Google and see bideos here, real thing! And of course something to do with this is how they power those triangular uf O ships that are government has I have definitely seen one close up absolutely a real deal man made silently floating with no noise lights underneath.. And that tells us that whatever is powering it takes 3 because there's one in each corner and that's why it's the shape that it is so we need to do 3 sets of gyros or 3 gyros or 3 of something.